Re: New K700S Delivery Damage to Sliding Table
Thanks for all of the replies.? Felder has already filed a claim and plans to send a new sliding table to replace the damaged one.? On another note, where should I find the crosscut and rip fences in the packaging?? I don't see them on the machine pallet and haven't opened the damaged slider box yet.??
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Great point about rice and mice. Do mice eat hull or only after seed?
I agree tread carefully with new products. The one I mentioned earlier by Boral (with ash & good for ground contact) has been around for few years now and looks amazing but a bit expensive.
When we built 20 yrs ago we went with fiber cement siding as the first version of smart side failed miserably. ?IIRC, nationwide recall. Now Smart Side is replacing fibre cement.
Like you said, will know in a few yrs.
Imran
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On Jan 8, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Mark Koury <mhkoury@...> wrote: ? Great, the next wonder material from the Green Crew. It is labeled as “Pest Resistant.” I wonder what that means? Bugs like wood and I’ll bet rice too. Bugs don’t like vinyl. I couldn’t find any real data with a cursory look. We should know in about 5 years if they use it in the South. Does anyone know about pricing? Mark
Just catching up on this old house. Last week’s episode showed this PVC with rice hull product which they are using for trim. Especially interesting is that one can take a wedge out (similar to Rockler miter fold) from the middle of a long trim board and fold it 90 degrees (some heat required) to make a seamless corner trim board.
Has anyone used this product? Comes in sheets as well as boards. Paintable and stainable (apparently to look like wood).
Last time I got excited about a new siding product rated for ground contact made out of waste ash was short lived. At?$80 a board (5 yrs ago), it is definitely out of my price range.?
Imran PS, they never mentioned the product name on the show. A search brought up ACRE which match the description. Not sure if there are other manufacturers supplying the same product.
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Great, the next wonder material from the Green Crew. It is labeled as “Pest Resistant.” I wonder what that means? Bugs like wood and I’ll bet rice too. Bugs don’t like vinyl. I couldn’t find any real data with a cursory look. We should know in about 5 years if they use it in the South. Does anyone know about pricing?
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Just catching up on this old house. Last week’s episode showed this PVC with rice hull product which they are using for trim. Especially interesting is that one can take a wedge out (similar to Rockler miter fold) from the middle of a long trim board and fold it 90 degrees (some heat required) to make a seamless corner trim board.
Has anyone used this product? Comes in sheets as well as boards. Paintable and stainable (apparently to look like wood).
Last time I got excited about a new siding product rated for ground contact made out of waste ash was short lived. At?$80 a board (5 yrs ago), it is definitely out of my price range.?
Imran PS, they never mentioned the product name on the show. A search brought up ACRE which match the description. Not sure if there are other manufacturers supplying the same product.
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Hi Marty,
On the show the main benefit Tom Silva shared, compared to std. PVC trim, this changes length 15% less - does not sound like a huge advantage.
However being stainable (to look like wood) has to be the biggest advantage. You could almost see PVC clad with an image layer. This layer, totally guessing, likely allows for bending the material 90 deg. They only showed bending along the length (outside corner board) but I assume bending may also be possible across the length, for a wrap around horizontal trim board. The corner did not appear sharp though, more like a round over look.
Imran
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On Jan 8, 2022, at 10:01 AM, marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: ?I haven't heard of it.? I wonder if it's stronger that Trex.
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I haven't heard of it.? I wonder if it's stronger that Trex.
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Re: Adjustable pull out trays
Imran.? I actually like the idea and I may explore it on a cabinet for the shop. Not sure how I deal with the fact of no face frame but you have me thinking.?
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 7:43 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Glen,
That was just a thought top of my head since you mentioned that the cabinet does not have the holes drilled on the sides. Anyhow, you have some good options shared by David Sabo’s and David Best.
Imran
On Jan 7, 2022, at 8:12 PM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote:
? Imran, The dovetail idea is intriguing for face frame cabinets, but I am doing euro boxes. The other thing is I am not willing to put in that much time as im throwing this in I see some other comments but havent had time to look at them yet.
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:42 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ?Glen, ?First thought that comes to mind is having a stack of dovetail ways on the inside on each side of the lower cabinet. The width of the dovetail way should be wide enough to receive a dovetailed part that one can mount the drawer slide to. A pin/screw of sort will be required to prevent the dovetail slide to pull out.
Not as adjustable as pins but I can’t imagine that working without incorporating lateral support that would keep the runners pushed into the cabinet sides. This support will also push on the sides of the cabinet outward. I guess the drawer could itself be tight fitting to accomplish this but I am not sure if slides are designed to do so. Also, it would not be easy to relocate them because the runners would need to be held onto the sides while the drawer is inserted. Maybe I am not following this concept properly.
Imran? ?Well While I am at it and until I fix my spindle..
One of the jobs I am doing now, The customer wants pull out trays in the lowers.
You remember those things we did in the 80/90 days instead of drawers.
so because I like to go on and above I would like to make them adjustable.
I am looking for ideas on doing that. I thought about a runner for the slide that pins in to the shelf support holes that I did not drill in this case, but not sure if they would stay in place when the tray is pulled out.
Any ideas, TIA
Glen
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Re: Adjustable pull out trays
Glen,
That was just a thought top of my head since you mentioned that the cabinet does not have the holes drilled on the sides. Anyhow, you have some good options shared by David Sabo’s and David Best.
Imran
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 8:12 PM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote: ? Imran, The dovetail idea is intriguing for face frame cabinets, but I am doing euro boxes. The other thing is I am not willing to put in that much time as im throwing this in I see some other comments but havent had time to look at them yet.
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:42 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ?Glen, ?First thought that comes to mind is having a stack of dovetail ways on the inside on each side of the lower cabinet. The width of the dovetail way should be wide enough to receive a dovetailed part that one can mount the drawer slide to. A pin/screw of sort will be required to prevent the dovetail slide to pull out.
Not as adjustable as pins but I can’t imagine that working without incorporating lateral support that would keep the runners pushed into the cabinet sides. This support will also push on the sides of the cabinet outward. I guess the drawer could itself be tight fitting to accomplish this but I am not sure if slides are designed to do so. Also, it would not be easy to relocate them because the runners would need to be held onto the sides while the drawer is inserted. Maybe I am not following this concept properly.
Imran? ?Well While I am at it and until I fix my spindle..
One of the jobs I am doing now, The customer wants pull out trays in the lowers.
You remember those things we did in the 80/90 days instead of drawers.
so because I like to go on and above I would like to make them adjustable.
I am looking for ideas on doing that. I thought about a runner for the slide that pins in to the shelf support holes that I did not drill in this case, but not sure if they would stay in place when the tray is pulled out.
Any ideas, TIA
Glen
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Re: Adjustable pull out trays
Imran, The dovetail idea is intriguing for face frame cabinets, but I am doing euro boxes. The other thing is I am not willing to put in that much time as im throwing this in I see some other comments but havent had time to look at them yet.
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:42 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ?Glen, ?First thought that comes to mind is having a stack of dovetail ways on the inside on each side of the lower cabinet. The width of the dovetail way should be wide enough to receive a dovetailed part that one can mount the drawer slide to. A pin/screw of sort will be required to prevent the dovetail slide to pull out.
Not as adjustable as pins but I can’t imagine that working without incorporating lateral support that would keep the runners pushed into the cabinet sides. This support will also push on the sides of the cabinet outward. I guess the drawer could itself be tight fitting to accomplish this but I am not sure if slides are designed to do so. Also, it would not be easy to relocate them because the runners would need to be held onto the sides while the drawer is inserted. Maybe I am not following this concept properly.
Imran? ?Well While I am at it and until I fix my spindle..
One of the jobs I am doing now, The customer wants pull out trays in the lowers.
You remember those things we did in the 80/90 days instead of drawers.
so because I like to go on and above I would like to make them adjustable.
I am looking for ideas on doing that. I thought about a runner for the slide that pins in to the shelf support holes that I did not drill in this case, but not sure if they would stay in place when the tray is pulled out.
Any ideas, TIA
Glen
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Re: The price of an information at Felder?
Fully agree SCM is repair friendly, I had a very minor issue yesterday with my 1 yo SCM spindle moulder, I am not a mechanic and I believed it required technician (pneumatic pin wont lock spindle) but I gone through the manual and I had a hunch that could do it myself, which I did and it was done in 15 minutes because it was easily accessible and repair friendly.?
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Re: I need a little shaper help
I use Castrol 140 bandsaw blade lube, comes in a tube:
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Rick Scholl < rlscholl@...> wrote:
The assembly grease you can get at auto supply stores (specifically for crankshaft journals during engine assembly) is good for this application. It is relatively thin, and comes in toothpaste-like tubes.
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Thanks Rick.
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 12:06 PM, Rick Scholl <rlscholl@...> wrote:
?The assembly grease you can get at auto supply stores (specifically for crankshaft journals during engine assembly) is good for this application. It is relatively thin, and comes in toothpaste-like tubes.
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Re: I need a little shaper help
The assembly grease you can get at auto supply stores (specifically for crankshaft journals during engine assembly) is good for this application. It is relatively thin, and comes in toothpaste-like tubes.
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Re: The price of an information at Felder?
I think there are only a handful of choices when buying MM or SCM.? They used to have a great guy at parts pronto that was very helpful troubleshooting but I believe that is no longer a good option.? The SCM machines are known to be repair friendly in the way
they are laid out.? My experience is with used as there are more choices at lower cost than Felder and given my not always brilliant method of buying very rare machines, I rely on the internet groups like this one and others more than manufacturers.? Dave
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John,
That is a bummer. In USA, there is no charge for trouble shooting a machine. I guess there might be a limit but I have spent 1/2hr on the phone with a tech. I only bought my KF new and I have received help on 4 other machines that I bought used.
I personally think this is a very valuable part of buying from Felder - parts and service after sale.
On a related note, I was conversing with an SCM owner on another forum. Their setup is thru dealers. The service you receive is via dealership. I have no idea, how good/bad their service is but I do not want to be at the mercy of a dealership.
I am afraid that they might offer good service to a major client and not so good to a lonely hobby woodworker, especially one who bought a used machine.
Imran
On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:56 AM, John <j.pisvin@...> wrote:
?Hi all,
I recently posted on this Group regarding a technical concern I am facing with my Felder CF731.
I tried to contact Felder just to ask them the type of relay I have on my electrical board.
But in my country, Felder unfortunately do not have an official branch and they outsource the sales/aftersales services to another company.
This company ask me 150�/hour of time that the person will take to answer my question from his computer (I am not speaking about any repairment or a person coming to work on my machine).
Is it normal? Do you also pay when you ask a technical question to your Felder tech support about an old machine?
Jonathan
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Re: The price of an information at Felder?
John,
That is a bummer. In USA, there is no charge for trouble shooting a machine. I guess there might be a limit but I have spent 1/2hr on the phone with a tech. I only bought my KF new and I have received help on 4 other machines that I bought used. I personally think this is a very valuable part of buying from Felder - parts and service after sale.
On a related note, I was conversing with an SCM owner on another forum. Their setup is thru dealers. The service you receive is via dealership. I have no idea, how good/bad their service is but I do not want to be at the mercy of a dealership. I am afraid that they might offer good service to a major client and not so good to a lonely hobby woodworker, especially one who bought a used machine.
Imran
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:56 AM, John <j.pisvin@...> wrote: ?Hi all,
I recently posted on this Group regarding a technical concern I am facing with my Felder CF731.
I tried to contact Felder just to ask them the type of relay I have on my electrical board.
But in my country, Felder unfortunately do not have an official branch and they outsource the sales/aftersales services to another company.
This company ask me 150�/hour of time that the person will take to answer my question from his computer (I am not speaking about any repairment or a person coming to work on my machine).
Is it normal? Do you also pay when you ask a technical question to your Felder tech support about an old machine?
Jonathan
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? Yes, anything to provide a little lubrication will keep the metal from galling. I prefer some form of grease though as it tends to sling less on the inside of the machine.
Is it okay to use light oil instead of grease? Some of my cutters are so close that I have a hard time putting them on the arbor. I have used pneumatic tool oil (because it is handy) just enough to help me install. I spread with finger so no dripping. Anyhow, is this okay?
Imran On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: ? Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Re: The price of an information at Felder?
Not in the USA, you can call or email and get tech advice. I would assume you can contact the factory is Tirol as well...
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Hi all,
I recently posted on this Group regarding a technical concern I am facing with my Felder CF731.
I tried to contact Felder just to ask them the type of relay I have on my electrical board.
But in my country, Felder unfortunately do not have an official branch and they outsource the sales/aftersales services to another company.
This company ask me 150�/hour of time that the person will take to answer my question from his computer (I am not speaking about any repairment or a person coming to work on my machine).
Is it normal? Do you also pay when you ask a technical question to your Felder tech support about an old machine?
Jonathan
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Re: I need a little shaper help
Yes, anything to provide a little lubrication will keep the metal from galling. I prefer some form of grease though as it tends to sling less on the inside of the machine.
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Is it okay to use light oil instead of grease? Some of my cutters are so close that I have a hard time putting them on the arbor. I have used pneumatic tool oil (because it is handy) just enough to help me install. I spread with finger so no dripping. Anyhow, is this okay?
Imran On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: ? Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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The price of an information at Felder?
Hi all,
I recently posted on this Group regarding a technical concern I am facing with my Felder CF731.
I tried to contact Felder just to ask them the type of relay I have on my electrical board.
But in my country, Felder unfortunately do not have an official branch and they outsource the sales/aftersales services to another company.
This company ask me 150�/hour of time that the person will take to answer my question from his computer (I am not speaking about any repairment or a person coming to work on my machine).
Is it normal? Do you also pay when you ask a technical question to your Felder tech support about an old machine?
Jonathan
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Re: I need a little shaper help
Is it okay to use light oil instead of grease? Some of my cutters are so close that I have a hard time putting them on the arbor. I have used pneumatic tool oil (because it is handy) just enough to help me install. I spread with finger so no dripping. Anyhow, is this okay?
Imran
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Humphrey Holden company,? Interesting ?thanks mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 9:09 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Just catching up on this old house. Last week’s episode showed this PVC with rice hull product which they are using for trim. Especially interesting is that one can take a wedge out (similar to Rockler miter fold) from the middle of a long trim board and fold it 90 degrees (some heat required) to make a seamless corner trim board.
Has anyone used this product? Comes in sheets as well as boards. Paintable and stainable (apparently to look like wood).
Last time I got excited about a new siding product rated for ground contact made out of waste ash was short lived. At?$80 a board (5 yrs ago), it is definitely out of my price range.?
Imran PS, they never mentioned the product name on the show. A search brought up ACRE which match the description. Not sure if there are other manufacturers supplying the same product.
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