Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
Thanks again for all the feedback. I was not looking for a flush cut saw but if the rip/xcut also worked as one that would have been a bonus. Anyhow, now I have details on the flush cut as well ?
Imran
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On May 13, 2021, at 11:49 PM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. <rohrabacher@...> wrote: ?
And available at walmart
Hi Imran,
I second Taylor's recommendation of the Gyokucho's?
Here's a video by David Barron in which he does a run down of
various models and their features and applications. I even hit a
hidden nail with mine doing some restoration work and it's still
quite sharp. I think I got the 307. I ordered mine off eBay and
purchased a spare blade at the same time.?
Cheers
Michael
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Re: Will Felder ever make a spindle moulder like this?
Congrats Albert. What a beautiful machine. When you ordered, I was able to find a video (or maybe you had shared one) that showed how the sliding table on the side worked. That was fun to watch. Anyhow, I found a brochure and spotted the power feeder stand. I have not seen one like this with counters before.
Imran
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On May 13, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Albert Lee <timbershelf@...> wrote: ? [Edited Message Follows]
My new spindle moulder was delivered around early May, I ordered it in July 2020, arrived at our shore around Feb 2021. No its not a Felder its a SCM, I like SCM and Felder but preferred SCM, I may have bought Felder but unfortunately Felder does not offer a spindle moulder with sliding table on its side.? I wondered will Felder ever offer something similar? I know even a smaller Czech company Houfek offers spindle moulder in this configuration.? The user manual says I need 7.6m x 6.6m work space for it, with the machine in the middle of it - my workshop is only 9m x 6m. it currently lives in an area of 2.1m x 5m
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
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Hi Imran,
I second Taylor's recommendation of the Gyokucho's?
Here's a video by David Barron in which he does a run down of
various models and their features and applications. I even hit a
hidden nail with mine doing some restoration work and it's still
quite sharp. I think I got the 307. I ordered mine off eBay and
purchased a spare blade at the same time.?
Cheers
Michael
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Re: Will Felder ever make a spindle moulder like this?
"Will Felder ever make a spindle moulder like this?"
Well that question is moot for you.
Congrats? on the new toy
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Re: Will Felder ever make a spindle moulder like this?
While I personally agree with the sliding table configuration you specify Albert, I would guess Felder's retort would be the ability to add outriggers? and crosscut fences to their sliding table system. I thought the new Profil92 had more options and features in that area, though I could be mistaken.? One thing I was surprised at the sliding end table? layout is how much more workspace is necessary to navigate that feature, especially with long boards, for end-cuts. But I do prefer the sliding end table.
Wow, Albert! you're going to set a world record for the amount of machinery per m2 for sure! But I can still see some bare concrete..........
That looks like an incredible machine. I do like the sound of that sliding table configuration.?
Cheers
Michael?
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
Here is my flush cut saw:?
I previously ordered a different, ultra thin flush cut saw and bent it on the first damn use. I am pretty familiar with them and hate the producer for making such a ridiculously thin body that literally became worthless after 6 pulls. Thin cuts fast but also allows movement with no backing... Taylor Donsker www.tdonsker.com 818.424.9046
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On May 13, 2021, at 6:33 PM, michael.kit.ooi@... wrote:
?Hi Imran,
I second Taylor's recommendation of the Gyokucho's?
Here's a video by David Barron in which he does a run down of various models and their features and applications. I even hit a hidden nail with mine doing some restoration work and it's still quite sharp. I think I got the 307. I ordered mine off eBay and purchased a spare blade at the same time.?
Cheers
Michael
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
Hi Imran,
I second Taylor's recommendation of the Gyokucho's?
Here's a video by David Barron in which he does a run down of various models and their features and applications. I even hit a hidden nail with mine doing some restoration work and it's still quite sharp. I think I got the 372. I ordered mine off eBay and purchased a spare blade at the same time.?
Cheers
Michael
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Re: Will Felder ever make a spindle moulder like this?
Wow, Albert! you're going to set a world record for the amount of machinery per m2 for sure! But I can still see some bare concrete..........
That looks like an incredible machine. I do like the sound of that sliding table configuration.?
Cheers
Michael?
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Will Felder ever make a spindle moulder like this?
My new spindle moulder was delivered around early May, I ordered it in July 2020, arrived at our shore around Feb 2021.
No its not a Felder its a SCM, I like SCM and Felder but preferred SCM, I may have bought Felder but unfortunately Felder does not offer a spindle moulder with sliding table on its side.?
I wondered will Felder ever offer something similar? I know even a smaller Czech company Houfek offers spindle moulder in this configuration.?
The user manual says I need 7.6m x 6.6m work space for it, with the machine in the middle of it - my workshop is only 9m x 6m. it currently lives in an area of 2.1m x 5m
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Re: Finger Pulls on Drawer fronts
Bob, I work with Eucalypts all the time. Just treat what you have as a hard wood. You do not specify the wood type - there are a million varieties. Most of the ones I have worked are unlike Maple, which burns if you point a router at it. Just use a slower speed to be safe.
Regards from Perth
Derek
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
None of those saws in that set (from LV) are designed fir flush cutting. A flush cutting saw will have set on one side of the teeth only, and there would not be a back to the saw plate so as to make the plate/blade more flexible.?
This is a particularly good flush cut saw from LN. It cuts on the pull ...
The smallest saw in the LV set is great for dovetails and fine detail cuts. Incidentally, these saws look to be made by Z-saw, which is a very good company for inexpensive, mass-produced saws. I have a couple.
Japanese saws for tenons? Get a Ryoba. This is a double sided saw, one side fir crosscutting and the other for rip. From LV ...
Regards from Perth
Derek
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
Thanks Roger. I guess I lucked out, as the Dozuki has a rigid back.
Imran
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On May 13, 2021, at 5:09 PM, Roger S <rsinden@...> wrote: ? Imran
Don’t waste your money on the set. ?I went to Japan and bought a load of their saws…tried using them and just didn't get on with any without a rigid back.
But there you’re talking…just bought my third. ?It’s my go-to saw for small stuff.?
?Ice Bear Japanese Ikedame Dovetail Saw
Careful…the teeth are brittle.
Roger
I am more a traditional saw guy for any important cuts, but i do like this flush cut saw and i have had many over the years as they are basically throw aways.
Gyokucho Razorsaw Flush Cutting Single Edge Saw 100mm No. 1150?
And this one is very handy as well
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Imran
Don’t waste your money on the set. ?I went to Japan and bought a load of their saws…tried using them and just didn't get on with any without a rigid back.
But there you’re talking…just bought my third. ?It’s my go-to saw for small stuff.?
?Ice Bear Japanese Ikedame Dovetail Saw
Careful…the teeth are brittle.
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I am more a traditional saw guy for any important cuts, but i do like this flush cut saw and i have had many over the years as they are basically throw aways.
Gyokucho Razorsaw Flush Cutting Single Edge Saw 100mm No. 1150?
And this one is very handy as well
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Thanks everyone. Even though I was not looking for a dovetail saw the endorsements for Dozuki, especially the all out one from Taylor, LOL, convinced me to give Gyokucho 372?a try.
Looking forward to receiving it next week.
Imran
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On May 13, 2021, at 3:38 PM, t d <tdonsker@...> wrote: ? The gyokucho 372 is the finest saw ever made in my opinion. Its kerf is so fine it cuts anything with ease. The rigid backing limits its application but i reach for it for anything under 2” depth of cut. I dont like ryobas except for cutting nails. That was a joke. But really i do not like them as they are like a no. 5 jack plane. You may as well buy a saw at home depot.?
Anyways katabas are the big brother of the 372 (crosscut) and i bought a hand made version by mitsukawa. To be honest the cost doesnt really make sense but tomohito iida has some great deals on other hand made japanese goods. ?He is really friendly and knowledgeable and has contacts with most of the remaining tool makers.? In general i do not favor the ripping saws from japan because the teeth are so large and aggressive they tear out a lot and just are not a pleasurable sawing experience. The kataba is a happy medium especially in the larger size as it has big but less offset teeth than a similar sized ryoba would. ?You should also try and specify the type of wood you are cutting as softwoods and hardwoods require different setting and spacing of the teeth.?
Taylor Donsker www.tdonsker.com 818.424.9046 On May 13, 2021, at 10:31 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I am more a traditional saw guy for any important cuts, but i do like this flush cut saw and i have had many over the years as they are basically throw aways.
Gyokucho Razorsaw Flush Cutting Single Edge Saw 100mm No. 1150?
And this one is very handy as well
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
The gyokucho 372 is the finest saw ever made in my opinion. Its kerf is so fine it cuts anything with ease. The rigid backing limits its application but i reach for it for anything under 2” depth of cut. I dont like ryobas except for cutting nails. That was a joke. But really i do not like them as they are like a no. 5 jack plane. You may as well buy a saw at home depot.?
Anyways katabas are the big brother of the 372 (crosscut) and i bought a hand made version by mitsukawa. To be honest the cost doesnt really make sense but tomohito iida has some great deals on other hand made japanese goods. ?He is really friendly and knowledgeable and has contacts with most of the remaining tool makers.? In general i do not favor the ripping saws from japan because the teeth are so large and aggressive they tear out a lot and just are not a pleasurable sawing experience. The kataba is a happy medium especially in the larger size as it has big but less offset teeth than a similar sized ryoba would. ?You should also try and specify the type of wood you are cutting as softwoods and hardwoods require different setting and spacing of the teeth.?
Taylor Donsker www.tdonsker.com 818.424.9046
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On May 13, 2021, at 10:31 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I am more a traditional saw guy for any important cuts, but i do like this flush cut saw and i have had many over the years as they are basically throw aways.
Gyokucho Razorsaw Flush Cutting Single Edge Saw 100mm No. 1150?
And this one is very handy as well
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I am more a traditional saw guy for any important cuts, but i do like this flush cut saw and i have had many over the years as they are basically throw aways.
Gyokucho Razorsaw Flush Cutting Single Edge Saw 100mm No. 1150?
And this one is very handy as well
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
Imran,
For flush cutting a dowel, buy a flexible flush cut saw. Many available for about $25. Place an old plastic hotel keycard under the saw to avoid scratching the project, then use a sharp block plane to finish the cut.
For dovetails, buy a pull saw with a rigid back (Dozuki). Many good ones available for mid $50, and blades are replaceable. Marc Adams teaches dovetails with this type of saw.?
I own the Lee Valley products, have used them in several classes, and many projects at home. Very satisfactory.
There are also excellent tools for teaching small children to saw.
Steve
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I am looking into buying Japanese pull saws. Saw this set at Lee Valley
Woodcraft and Rockler also sell them and many more options online. I do not expect to make large or wide cuts as those are more likely to get done on a machine. So a good example would be tenons where both xcut and rip cuts are needed. Be good if I can also use one for flush cutting a dowell. If I can do dovetails with one that is a plus but right now not looking for one specific for dovetails.
I am also looking for an economical choice. Hopefully your experience can narrow down the unlimited options I am seeing.
Thanks,
Imran?
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?I have the dozuki which I use for hand cutting dovetails and for flush cutting dowels.? It is less efficient than my Lie-Nielsen tapered dovetail saw, but is easier for me to use, especially when I haven't been practicing.? ?I'd recommend.
On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 9:45 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: I am looking into buying Japanese pull saws. Saw this set at Lee Valley
Woodcraft and Rockler also sell them and many more options online. I do not expect to make large or wide cuts as those are more likely to get done on a machine. So a good example would be tenons where both xcut and rip cuts are needed. Be good if I can also use one for flush cutting a dowell. If I can do dovetails with one that is a plus but right now not looking for one specific for dovetails.
I am also looking for an economical choice. Hopefully your experience can narrow down the unlimited options I am seeing.
Thanks,
Imran?
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I’ve had this unit from Sharksaw for years, very flexible and the fine side can be used for flush cutting, the coarse side has a bit of set to the teeth, so it will scratch up a flat surface if you get too close.??Mine is an older version that has a push button to release the blade, which is handy for storing it or taking it to a job site. They make a lot of other variations as well.
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I am looking into buying Japanese pull saws. Saw this set at Lee Valley
Woodcraft and Rockler also sell them and many more options online. I do not expect to make large or wide cuts as those are more likely to get done on a machine. So a good example would be tenons where both xcut and rip cuts are needed. Be good if I can also use one for flush cutting a dowell. If I can do dovetails with one that is a plus but right now not looking for one specific for dovetails.
I am also looking for an economical choice. Hopefully your experience can narrow down the unlimited options I am seeing.
Thanks,
Imran?
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Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
I am looking into buying Japanese pull saws. Saw this set at Lee Valley
Woodcraft and Rockler also sell them and many more options online. I do not expect to make large or wide cuts as those are more likely to get done on a machine. So a good example would be tenons where both xcut and rip cuts are needed. Be good if I can also use one for flush cutting a dowell. If I can do dovetails with one that is a plus but right now not looking for one specific for dovetails.
I am also looking for an economical choice. Hopefully your experience can narrow down the unlimited options I am seeing.
Thanks,
Imran?
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