Re: Mantle Build Question
I've done similar shelf installation down and dirty with lag screws into the studs. Once driven, the heads were cut off, and holes bore in the back of the shelves with an auger bit. Squirt some PL adhesive in the holes and slide it on. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Mantle Build Question
David,
Thanks for the details. I guess if I were to do this, i will probably epoxy the brackets in the mantle and then bolt the verticals to the studs while keeping mantle level. This on account of my ability to free hand drill as required to do this right.
Imran
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On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:22 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote: ? Imran,
Here’s the drawing. ?Don’t underestimate the racking force here. ?The brackets ended up costing $150 and took 30 minutes to fabricate.
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David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
After reading, I realized it would be better to screw the mantle to the blocking from top vs bottom. Imran On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:00 AM, imranindiana via < imranindiana@...> wrote: ?So a friend wants a live edge mantle from an Ash log. He already has the log cut on the band mill. It is 11” deep (sticking out from wall) and 7.5” tall (vertical). The mantle will be 5’ long. I can run the 11” wide top on the jointer and then make the back 90 deg to it. Finally run it thru planer to get the bottom parallel to the top. I need to return each end of the mantle so will need to cut 45s. I plan to do each 45 deg cut in two passes (due to 7”+ thickness) with material on one side of the xcut fence and then flipped and placed on the other side of the xcut fence. I have not done this so far. Finally i can plough a recess on the back side on all 3 pieces for mounting purpose and process a piece of wood that fits perfectly in the recess. With this piece mounted on the wall the mantle can be pushed on it and screwed from bottom. I can easily plough about 3” deep. Is that deep enough for a 11” deep mantle? I know there are many mounting options out there but would like to find out if what i described would work? Imran
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
The older machines have a single trunnion affair and it supports the whole spindle and motor system on one end of the assembly. This brings into account an adjustment nightmare dealing with “angle of the dangle” as well as toe-in and toe-out in the other direction. Failure to get the angle correct creates all sorts of issues when tilting the saw/shaper aggregate.
All that said, my old machine is of this design and once set, it’s pretty stable. If I was looking for a machine though, it would be the double trunnion machine… more easily adjusted and has better longevity of settings, and with the polymer materials used in the trunnion the smoothness and easiness of tilting is considerably better.
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On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:40 PM, bacchus6015 via < joeinno@...> wrote:
Mike,
What are the Trunion issues?
Joe
For a lot of reasons and assistance from some amazing people on FOG, I have backed out of this deal. ?The accessories and tooling are great, but the high price, age and trunnion issues make this offering good from afar, but far from good. ?Unfortunately, the seller will not part out the tooling and/or accessories and prefers to sell as a package deal. ?
Back on the search and contemplating buying new.
Thanks to everyone for their thoughts!
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Mike Barrow
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Mike,
What are the Trunion issues?
Joe
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For a lot of reasons and assistance from some amazing people on FOG, I have backed out of this deal. ?The accessories and tooling are great, but the high price, age and trunnion issues make this offering good from afar, but far from good. ?Unfortunately, the seller will not part out the tooling and/or accessories and prefers to sell as a package deal. ?
Back on the search and contemplating buying new.
Thanks to everyone for their thoughts!
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Mike Barrow
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Re: Mantle Build Question
For what it’s worth, this is a lot of clamps, lots of “bouncing” load like 16” out.
2 cabinet mounting screws into the studs, 3/4” French cleat. ? ?Not sure what they’re doing on the mantle that would need more than that.
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On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:22 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? Imran,
Here’s the drawing. ?Don’t underestimate the racking force here. ?The brackets ended up costing $150 and took 30 minutes to fabricate.
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David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
After reading, I realized it would be better to screw the mantle to the blocking from top vs bottom. Imran On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:00 AM, imranindiana via < imranindiana@...> wrote: ?So a friend wants a live edge mantle from an Ash log. He already has the log cut on the band mill. It is 11” deep (sticking out from wall) and 7.5” tall (vertical). The mantle will be 5’ long. I can run the 11” wide top on the jointer and then make the back 90 deg to it. Finally run it thru planer to get the bottom parallel to the top. I need to return each end of the mantle so will need to cut 45s. I plan to do each 45 deg cut in two passes (due to 7”+ thickness) with material on one side of the xcut fence and then flipped and placed on the other side of the xcut fence. I have not done this so far. Finally i can plough a recess on the back side on all 3 pieces for mounting purpose and process a piece of wood that fits perfectly in the recess. With this piece mounted on the wall the mantle can be pushed on it and screwed from bottom. I can easily plough about 3” deep. Is that deep enough for a 11” deep mantle? I know there are many mounting options out there but would like to find out if what i described would work? Imran
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Mark,
Can you give us more colors about your reasoning of virtually going T60 instead of K940, or even T60 instead of Kappa 400 (basic no X motion). Price wise, as far as I know, a T60 with DRO is more comparable to a Kappa 400 basic.
Thanks,
Bill
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Mike,?
I would remain patient with the seller. I think in time he will sell to you. Sometimes you need to let people test the market and become frustrated/educated on reality.?
What trunnion issue? Do you mean prior to the redesign in 2006-2008 to the double trunnion? I don’t know if that’s much of a flaw to be concerned about.?
Patrick
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:50 PM Mike Barrow via <lunatuna23= [email protected]> wrote: For a lot of reasons and assistance from some amazing people on FOG, I have backed out of this deal.? The accessories and tooling are great, but the high price, age and trunnion issues make this offering good from afar, but far from good.? Unfortunately, the seller will not part out the tooling and/or accessories and prefers to sell as a package deal. ?
Back on the search and contemplating buying new.
Thanks to everyone for their thoughts!
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Mike Barrow
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
You've got to like the diesels.? We finally passed down our 1999 Mercedes E300 diesel to my son.? It has about 275,000 miles on it and going strong. Dave Davies
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:48 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
Porsche makes BMW look transparent.? I'm still angry they screwed up the diesel market and too old to be comfortable in the 911.? Dave
The base price of all things German is pretty reasonable. But they get you with the options.? Certainly that is the case with BMW.? I do lust after a T27 but the side tenon table option is in the $10K realm.
Dave Davies
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:39 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
I'd be interested in hearing about differences, pluses, minuses, and what a comparably equiped T60 and Kappa each price out as .? Martin has add on just as Felder does so an applies to applies isn't straightforward.? Dave
That’s a pretty broad statement James.? Having consulted with Martin on the T60 design, and owning a Kappa 400, I can confirm there are differences in the build, but making an unqualified statement like “way better than” is hyperbole.? Each machine
has plusses and minuses. ?
The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?
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James
I can help people estimate those frustrations
?
?
Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?
:)
?
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Michael Garrison Stuber
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On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:
plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave
I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K
?
45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.
When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.
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On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:
That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW
ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN
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Michael Garrison Stuber
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
Porsche makes BMW look transparent.? I'm still angry they screwed up the diesel market and too old to be comfortable in the 911.? Dave
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The base price of all things German is pretty reasonable. But they get you with the options.? Certainly that is the case with BMW.? I do lust after a T27 but the side tenon table option is in the $10K realm.
Dave Davies
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:39 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
I'd be interested in hearing about differences, pluses, minuses, and what a comparably equiped T60 and Kappa each price out as .? Martin has add on just as Felder does so an applies to applies isn't straightforward.? Dave
That’s a pretty broad statement James.? Having consulted with Martin on the T60 design, and owning a Kappa 400, I can confirm there are differences in the build, but making an unqualified statement like “way better than” is hyperbole.? Each machine
has plusses and minuses. ?
The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?
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James
I can help people estimate those frustrations
?
?
Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?
:)
?
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
?
On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:
plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave
I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K
?
45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.
When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.
?
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:
That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW
ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
The base price of all things German is pretty reasonable. But they get you with the options.? Certainly that is the case with BMW.? I do lust after a T27 but the side tenon table option is in the $10K realm. Dave Davies
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:39 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
I'd be interested in hearing about differences, pluses, minuses, and what a comparably equiped T60 and Kappa each price out as .? Martin has add on just as Felder does so an applies to applies isn't straightforward.? Dave
That’s a pretty broad statement James.? Having consulted with Martin on the T60 design, and owning a Kappa 400, I can confirm there are differences in the build, but making an unqualified
statement like “way better than” is hyperbole.? Each machine has plusses and minuses. ?
The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?
<Capture.JPG>
James
I can help people estimate those frustrations
?
?
Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?
:)
?
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
?
On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:
plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave
I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K
?
45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.
When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.
?
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:
That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW
ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
I'd be interested in hearing about differences, pluses, minuses, and what a comparably equiped T60 and Kappa each price out as .? Martin has add on just as Felder does so an applies to applies isn't straightforward.? Dave
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That’s a pretty broad statement James. ?Having consulted with Martin on the T60 design, and owning a Kappa 400, I can confirm there are differences in the build, but making an unqualified
statement like “way better than” is hyperbole. ?Each machine has plusses and minuses. ?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?
<Capture.JPG>
James
I can help people estimate those frustrations
?
?
Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?
:)
?
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
?
On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:
plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave
I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K
?
45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.
When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.
?
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:
That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW
ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN
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Michael Garrison Stuber
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
That’s a pretty broad statement James. ?Having consulted with Martin on the T60 design, and owning a Kappa 400, I can confirm there are differences in the build, but making an unqualified statement like “way better than” is hyperbole. ?Each machine has plusses and minuses. ?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?
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James
I can help people estimate those frustrations ?
? Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .? :) ? -- Michael Garrison Stuber ?
On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:
plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave
I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K
?
45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.
When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.
?
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:
That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW
ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN
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Michael Garrison Stuber
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
Sold at?$20,800.00 CAD? plus 15% premium plus 13% tax = $ 27029 CAD = $ 21327 US.
James
The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?
James
I can help people estimate those frustrations
?
?
Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?
:)
?
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
?
On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:
plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave
I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K
?
45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.
When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.
?
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:
That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW
ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
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Re: Mantle Build Question
Imran,
Here’s the drawing. ?Don’t underestimate the racking force here. ?The brackets ended up costing $150 and took 30 minutes to fabricate.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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After reading, I realized it would be better to screw the mantle to the blocking from top vs bottom. Imran On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:00 AM, imranindiana via < imranindiana@...> wrote: ?So a friend wants a live edge mantle from an Ash log. He already has the log cut on the band mill. It is 11” deep (sticking out from wall) and 7.5” tall (vertical). The mantle will be 5’ long. I can run the 11” wide top on the jointer and then make the back 90 deg to it. Finally run it thru planer to get the bottom parallel to the top. I need to return each end of the mantle so will need to cut 45s. I plan to do each 45 deg cut in two passes (due to 7”+ thickness) with material on one side of the xcut fence and then flipped and placed on the other side of the xcut fence. I have not done this so far. Finally i can plough a recess on the back side on all 3 pieces for mounting purpose and process a piece of wood that fits perfectly in the recess. With this piece mounted on the wall the mantle can be pushed on it and screwed from bottom. I can easily plough about 3” deep. Is that deep enough for a 11” deep mantle? I know there are many mounting options out there but would like to find out if what i described would work? Imran
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Re: Mantle Build Question
Tad,
Thanks, that is a nice option to consider. I had not seen this before. I do prefer to distribute the weight on all studs available but keep this option in mind.
Imran
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On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Tad Gallistel <tadg@...> wrote: ? I just ran across these hangers, the smallest would work for you:
Just route a recess in the back of the mantle, screw these to the studs and drop it on.
Tad
After reading, I realized it would be better to screw the mantle to the blocking from top vs bottom. Imran On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:00 AM, imranindiana via < imranindiana@...> wrote: ?So a friend wants a live edge mantle from an Ash log. He already has the log cut on the band mill. It is 11” deep (sticking out from wall) and 7.5” tall (vertical). The mantle will be 5’ long. I can run the 11” wide top on the jointer and then make the back 90 deg to it. Finally run it thru planer to get the bottom parallel to the top. I need to return each end of the mantle so will need to cut 45s. I plan to do each 45 deg cut in two passes (due to 7”+ thickness) with material on one side of the xcut fence and then flipped and placed on the other side of the xcut fence. I have not done this so far. Finally i can plough a recess on the back side on all 3 pieces for mounting purpose and process a piece of wood that fits perfectly in the recess. With this piece mounted on the wall the mantle can be pushed on it and screwed from bottom. I can easily plough about 3” deep. Is that deep enough for a 11” deep mantle? I know there are many mounting options out there but would like to find out if what i described would work? Imran
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?
James
I can help people estimate those frustrations
?
?
Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?
:)
?
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
?
On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:
plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave
I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K
?
45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.
When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.
?
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:
That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW
ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN
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Michael Garrison Stuber
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Re: Mantle Build Question
I just did this for a client in Bend OR - not live edge, but 8” thick with returns at the end in white rift-sawn Oak. ?We had a local fabricator make steel L-brackets that attached to the studs - 3 of them held together with flat bar in two places. ?The vertical members were 3/16" wall 1.5 x 1.5 square tube, mitered and projecting out from the wall. ?The verticals were drilled and through-bolted with carriage bolts to the studs about 2 feet long running upward from the CL of the mantle. ?This mantle projected 12” from the wall, and the L-brackets projected 10” total beyond the sheetrock. ?The GC used 2” augers to bore out for the L-brackets, and imbedded the entire mess in epoxy. ?It’s never coming down.
David Best
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So a friend wants a live edge mantle from an Ash log. He already has the log cut on the band mill. It is 11” deep (sticking out from wall) and 7.5” tall (vertical). The mantle will be 5’ long.
I can run the 11” wide top on the jointer and then make the back 90 deg to it. Finally run it thru planer to get the bottom parallel to the top.
I need to return each end of the mantle so will need to cut 45s. I plan to do each 45 deg cut in two passes (due to 7”+ thickness) with material on one side of the xcut fence and then flipped and placed on the other side of the xcut fence. I have not done this so far.
Finally i can plough a recess on the back side on all 3 pieces for mounting purpose and process a piece of wood that fits perfectly in the recess. With this piece mounted on the wall the mantle can be pushed on it and screwed from bottom. I can easily plough about 3” deep. Is that deep enough for a 11” deep mantle?
I know there are many mounting options out there but would like to find out if what i described would work?
Imran
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Re: Mantle Build Question
Brett,
It seems that most brackets are meant for hollow shelfs/mantles where the size of the hollow can be controlled precisely.
I thought of similar approaches to your suggestion none as clever though ? The returns on each side would really make that really challenging. I am doing this as a favor and do need to limit my time as I have too many things that still need done.
I thought that we can saw off the live edge face followed by ripping thick boards from the top and bottom of the remaining log. Then recreate the log with hollow center. This likely will get rid of the most moist part of the log but there is no telling what would happen to the cut pieces once they are removed from the main log.
Imran
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On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:06 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote: ?If the board is truly 7.5" thick/tall I'd suggest looking into special brackets like??.?
Otherwise, a clever method if the situation makes sense is to cut? the back of the board a good 1-1.5" from the back edge, and use it to mount directly to the wall with recessed anchors. Then use dominoes in an array to push the rest of the board against the mounting slice, and the piece will be impossible for the next guy to figure out how you did it once the adhesive sets and the dominoes swell. If you dry fit the dominoes beforehand like you are supposed to, you can tweak the joint line to make invisible, which shouldn't be too tough on ash given grain orientation. Fun project!
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Re: Mantle Build Question
I just ran across these hangers, the smallest would work for you:
Just route a recess in the back of the mantle, screw these to the studs and drop it on.
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After reading, I realized it would be better to screw the mantle to the blocking from top vs bottom. Imran On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:00 AM, imranindiana via < imranindiana@...> wrote: ?So a friend wants a live edge mantle from an Ash log. He already has the log cut on the band mill. It is 11” deep (sticking out from wall) and 7.5” tall (vertical). The mantle will be 5’ long. I can run the 11” wide top on the jointer and then make the back 90 deg to it. Finally run it thru planer to get the bottom parallel to the top. I need to return each end of the mantle so will need to cut 45s. I plan to do each 45 deg cut in two passes (due to 7”+ thickness) with material on one side of the xcut fence and then flipped and placed on the other side of the xcut fence. I have not done this so far. Finally i can plough a recess on the back side on all 3 pieces for mounting purpose and process a piece of wood that fits perfectly in the recess. With this piece mounted on the wall the mantle can be pushed on it and screwed from bottom. I can easily plough about 3” deep. Is that deep enough for a 11” deep mantle? I know there are many mounting options out there but would like to find out if what i described would work? Imran
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
For a lot of reasons and assistance from some amazing people on FOG, I have backed out of this deal. ?The accessories and tooling are great, but the high price, age and trunnion issues make this offering good from afar, but far from good. ?Unfortunately, the seller will not part out the tooling and/or accessories and prefers to sell as a package deal. ?
Back on the search and contemplating buying new.
Thanks to everyone for their thoughts!
--
Mike Barrow
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Jason Holtz
imran
David P. Best
Tad Gallistel