I also found this one.??
These are from Byrd and quite a bit more expensive than the other brand ($1285 vs $935.75 for my BF6-31) and has fewer cutters (5 rows of 12 vs vs 6 rows of 13), which I don;t know if that's good or bad.
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Re: WoodShop structure Slab vs pier and beam
Thanks for all your comment,
Yes, by heavy machinery I am talking about Fedler/Martin/SMCI and other woodworking stuff with the heaviest in my case might be around 3000 - 3500 lbs. So, apparently, a baby weight :).
Bill
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Re: Maffel double miter fence
Tom,
This youtube video shows the length compensation feature of the Mafell miter double fence. Just wondering how Mafell does it in such a compact miter fence.? It means the part of the fence with the scale should move (length compensation) automatically to ensure the tip of the fence is always the same distance to the blade when you change the angle of the fence.
Felder's miter index is a CAD $1000 option, it only works for 20 common preset angles. Basically you slide the the outrigger fence into one of the 20 preset angle positions.
James
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 12:41 PM < tom@...> wrote: I own a Mafell ERIKA 70, which has been my primary on-site saw for the last five or six years now, replacing both my table sand and miter saw. Between the ERIKA and a KSS40, there's not much I can't accomplish on-site. Too bad Mafell discontinued the 120V version of the 70...?
The MFA fence is great. Not only is it a "double miter" fence, it also has length compensation when using the longer fence extrusions and flip stop. I never bothered to measure it, but it assume a specific distance from the blade, and the length is indexed from that point. So, for use on a Felder, you're really just need to rig up an adapter for the X-Roll table, and make sure you index it the appropriate distance from the blade (I think it's 2-3mm).?
For a fence designed for portability, it's reasonably robust and I think it's very accurate, but expectations should be tempered for those accustomed to heavier machinery....?
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Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: WoodShop structure Slab vs pier and beam
Usually slabs are done because they are on the ground, and framed floors because they are above ground.? An above-ground slab is very expensive, and on-ground framing is impossible.
A wood floor that is high enough to get under is great to change underfloor utilities over time.?
"heavy machinery" is somewhat vague.? By metal working machine standards, Felder, etc are not very heavy (my 36" long metal lathe is >4,000lbs)? ?It's certainly not hard to make a framed floor to support wookworking machinery.? Making wood floor that you can roll around a 10,000 lb machine on is harder.
"strong enough to support" is also vague.? ?Wood floors are normally designed not to be "strong enough", but rather to "have acceptable flex under load".? ?You can take the residential flooring building code standards and reduce the strength by half with no risk of collapse, but it'd feel like a spring board under your feet.
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Re: WoodShop structure Slab vs pier and beam
I'd give anything to be working on a wood floor again. I've been in a couple shops with them, and on concrete for the last two. No comparison in the wear on your feet and knees. If I ever get to buy the building I'm in, or another one I will strongly consider a wood subfloor.
Jason Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: WoodShop structure Slab vs pier and beam
Hi Bill!?
In terms of pier and beam construction, I can't speak to whether it's suitable for heavy machinery, but I would recommend considering the Huber AdvanTech subfloor as a candidate for the subfloor. It's available in up to 1-1/8" thick 4x8 sheets, and you can always double up on layers (staggered seams, of course...). I spec'd 3/4" AdvanTech when I helped my friend build his addition two years ago, it seems to be performing quite well. I've even heard of it being used for basement slabs in lieu of concrete, where the architect would spec foam board insulation (2x layers of 1-1/2", if I remember correctly), then two layers of AdvanTech installed in perpendicular layers. Very dense and heavy, but I think it's worth consideration...?
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Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: WoodShop structure Slab vs pier and beam
I would think the cost would be significantly more for the pier and beam versus a slab. Dave Davies
With enough space under the floor you could run electric and dust collection.? ?
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Subject: [FOG] WoodShop structure Slab vs pier and beam
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Looking to get some feedback on the type of floor structure for a woodshop, especially slab vs pier and beam (standard home floor).
I looked online and it appears a pier and beam can be made strong enough to support heavy machinery.
I am not looking for any engineering design or calculation, someone will do it for me if I need, just for pro and cons if any and if this is a good idea or something I should run from it.
Thanks,
Bill
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Re: WoodShop structure Slab vs pier and beam
With enough space under the floor you could run electric and dust collection.? ?
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On Behalf Of Bill James via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FOG] WoodShop structure Slab vs pier and beam
?
Looking to get some feedback on the type of floor structure for a woodshop, especially slab vs pier and beam (standard home floor).
I looked online and it appears a pier and beam can be made strong enough to support heavy machinery.
I am not looking for any engineering design or calculation, someone will do it for me if I need, just for pro and cons if any and if this is a good idea or something I should run from it.
Thanks,
Bill
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WoodShop structure Slab vs pier and beam
Looking to get some feedback on the type of floor structure for a woodshop, especially slab vs pier and beam (standard home floor).
I looked online and it appears a pier and beam can be made strong enough to support heavy machinery.
I am not looking for any engineering design or calculation, someone will do it for me if I need, just for pro and cons if any and if this is a good idea or something I should run from it.
Thanks,
Bill
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Re: Update RE: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery
Joe,
I feel for you. What a let down from being excited to finally receive a machine that you have been thinking about for years to receive it with damage. Sometimes things happen that are out of control but this one was avoidable and happened as a result of lack of respect for others property and shear incompetence.
I assumed you paid by credit card. This may be an avenue to pursue, since fault lays with the recipient of the funds. I intentionally use Amex for such purchases and have only filed one complaint which was remedied quickly. It has been so long I do not even recall what that was about.
I hope you recover your purchase price.
Imran
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On Jan 7, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote: ?
Got this email from Joos, the US distributor.
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Wow
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What the hell happened to that? From the phots it look like its completely compromised. We cannot repair that Whoever packed it and moved it was very irresponsible. If you have insurance covering a new one I can send you an offer but in
my opinion, its done. The insurance company could send it back to LZ in Austria for evaluation¡.. Probably cost 4,000 just to send it back. If it fell over which looks like it did, its toast
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Don
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I would buy it back for $1000
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My recommendation. Is settle , and buy back from insurance co if 10000 value you should be able to buy for 1000, fix it not going to Mars .
Designing and building for 50 years
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There's a picture for you.
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On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 12:21 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
Joe, in your place I'd want to interrogate the pallet guy like they did to James Bond in Casino Royale.? Dave
Always Trucking is the shipping broker.? The issue is really the palletization by Machinery Max.? I paid them extra to palletize.?
Traded emails with the one Machinery Max employee who was the only person palletizing machines at the auction location.? I also spoke with him twice about how I needed it palletized.? The reason for all the conversation around palletization, I purchased a
Felder F700Z through machinery max last summer and that machine broke through the pallet because there was no blocking under the machine legs.? The Machinery Max employee assured me that he would ensure there was blocking under the feet.? He also told me that
because it was just him there was no way it would be done wrong.
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With Always shipping I purchased additional insurance coverage for the full cost of the machine and shipping.? If I were their
insurer there is no way I would cover the damage as it was poorly palletized which was not done by the shipper.
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From:
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On Behalf Of Jason Holtz
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 7:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Update RE: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery
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That truly sucks. Who was the shipper?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Update RE: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery
This is either incompetence or ignorance .. Somebody definitely needs a ass kicking .. I suggest a size 12 boot. ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kumm Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:52 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: Update RE: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery ? Forward that to Machinery max.? If my people did something like that there would be some serious ass kicking but I would take responsibility.? Dave
Got this email from Joos, the US distributor. ? Wow ? What the hell happened to that? From the phots it look like its completely compromised. We cannot repair that Whoever packed it and moved it was very irresponsible. If you have insurance covering a new one I can send you an offer but in my opinion, its done. The insurance company could send it back to LZ in Austria for evaluation¡.. Probably cost 4,000 just to send it back. If it fell over which looks like it did, its toast ? Don ? ? ? I would buy it back for $1000 ? ? My recommendation. Is settle , and buy back from insurance co if 10000 value you should be able to buy for 1000, fix it not going to Mars . martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell Designing and building for 50 years ? There's a picture for you. ? On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 12:21 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote: Joe, in your place I'd want to interrogate the pallet guy like they did to James Bond in Casino Royale.? Dave
Always Trucking is the shipping broker.? The issue is really the palletization by Machinery Max.? I paid them extra to palletize.? Traded emails with the one Machinery Max employee who was the only person palletizing machines at the auction location.? I also spoke with him twice about how I needed it palletized.? The reason for all the conversation around palletization, I purchased a Felder F700Z through machinery max last summer and that machine broke through the pallet because there was no blocking under the machine legs.? The Machinery Max employee assured me that he would ensure there was blocking under the feet.? He also told me that because it was just him there was no way it would be done wrong. ? With Always shipping I purchased additional insurance coverage for the full cost of the machine and shipping.? If I were their insurer there is no way I would cover the damage as it was poorly palletized which was not done by the shipper. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jason Holtz
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 7:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Update RE: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery ? That truly sucks. Who was the shipper?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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318-219-7868
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Re: Update RE: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery
Forward that to Machinery max.? If my people did something like that there would be some serious ass kicking but I would take responsibility.? Dave
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Got this email from Joos, the US distributor.
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Wow
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What the hell happened to that? From the phots it look like its completely compromised. We cannot repair that Whoever packed it and moved it was very irresponsible. If you have insurance covering a new one I can send you an offer but in my opinion, its done.
The insurance company could send it back to LZ in Austria for evaluation¡.. Probably cost 4,000 just to send it back. If it fell over which looks like it did, its toast
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Don
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I would buy it back for $1000
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My recommendation. Is settle , and buy back from insurance co if 10000 value you should be able to buy for 1000, fix it not going to Mars .
Designing and building for 50 years
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There's a picture for you.
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On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 12:21 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
Joe, in your place I'd want to interrogate the pallet guy like they did to James Bond in Casino Royale.? Dave
Always Trucking is the shipping broker.? The issue is really the palletization by Machinery Max.? I paid them extra to palletize.?
Traded emails with the one Machinery Max employee who was the only person palletizing machines at the auction location.? I also spoke with him twice about how I needed it palletized.? The reason for all the conversation around palletization, I purchased a
Felder F700Z through machinery max last summer and that machine broke through the pallet because there was no blocking under the machine legs.? The Machinery Max employee assured me that he would ensure there was blocking under the feet.? He also told me that
because it was just him there was no way it would be done wrong.
?
With Always shipping I purchased additional insurance coverage for the full cost of the machine and shipping.? If I were their
insurer there is no way I would cover the damage as it was poorly palletized which was not done by the shipper.
?
From:
[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Jason Holtz
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 7:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Update RE: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery
?
That truly sucks. Who was the shipper?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Yes, its a clear plastic thing, the part number I was quoted ?162 + VAT for is
FR-ABSAUGHAUBE LT. Z. 78-07-345 GLASKLAR
MATERIAL: PC 3000 KOMPLETT VERKLEBT UND MONT
Felder parts prices are just bonkers.
Another example is the crosscut splinter tongue and holder. ?45 plus VAT.
The scale tape the runs along the bed is ?60 + VAT.
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Re: Update RE: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery
Got this email from Joos, the US distributor.
?
Wow
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What the hell happened to that? From the phots it look like its completely compromised. We cannot repair that Whoever packed it and moved it was very irresponsible. If you have insurance covering a new one I can send you an offer but in
my opinion, its done. The insurance company could send it back to LZ in Austria for evaluation¡.. Probably cost 4,000 just to send it back. If it fell over which looks like it did, its toast
?
Don
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]>
On Behalf Of Joe Jensen
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 1:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Update RE: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery
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I would buy it back for $1000
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My recommendation. Is settle , and buy back from insurance co if 10000 value you should be able to buy for 1000, fix it not going to Mars .
Designing and building for 50 years
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There's a picture for you.
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On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 12:21 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
Joe, in your place I'd want to interrogate the pallet guy like they did to James Bond in Casino Royale.? Dave
Always Trucking is the shipping broker.? The issue is really the palletization by Machinery Max.? I paid them extra to palletize.?
Traded emails with the one Machinery Max employee who was the only person palletizing machines at the auction location.? I also spoke with him twice about how I needed it palletized.? The reason for all the conversation around palletization, I purchased a
Felder F700Z through machinery max last summer and that machine broke through the pallet because there was no blocking under the machine legs.? The Machinery Max employee assured me that he would ensure there was blocking under the feet.? He also told me that
because it was just him there was no way it would be done wrong.
?
With Always shipping I purchased additional insurance coverage for the full cost of the machine and shipping.? If I were their
insurer there is no way I would cover the damage as it was poorly palletized which was not done by the shipper.
?
From:
[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Jason Holtz
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 7:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Update RE: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery
?
That truly sucks. Who was the shipper?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
--
Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Hi, are we talking about the clear plastic shroud under the table in the hole where the spindle moulder sits. If so I bought one from Felder a few years ago and it cost about ?28! You¡¯re not the first I¡¯ve heard that has been quoted a huge amount for a replacement, I think it¡¯s a mix up and they¡¯re quoting for the wrong part! I¡¯ll dig out my receipts tomorrow and give you the part no. And what I paid. Yes Felder really charge for parts but come on... ?200 for a bit of plastic!
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On 7 Jan 2021, at 20:21, Paul Curme <paul.curme@...> wrote:
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Richard,
Fabrication would be the better option .
My 1992 BF6, pre dates the factory installed hood so lacked the mounting points for the factory hood, it always was a fairly fragile thing I recall replacing a few for other owners years ago.
If you have the skills and tools to fabricate it in steel then you will never have any future issues , though the shape is a little tricky to form.
Whether 200 would cover a fabricator making it for you I don't know but I would pay the extra to form it in steel.
Sent from my Windows Phone
Seems my BF6 has half the dust shroud missing on the spindle moulder (shaper).
Felder has a spare for a mere ?200, seems a lot!
Anyone found anything to substitute for one or have a spare one?
I am thinking I'll just fabricate one...
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
Imran, yes, that's the one I ordered.
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
Michael,
That is indeed very bright. I keep lights above saw off to be able to easily see my red laser.
I believe you purchased this item:
Imran
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I got mine today. It exceeded my expectations. Very bright, very consistent width. I found that it has a sweetspot in brightness at a certain angle. Mounting it in that angle gives a perfect line. It's even pretty close to my kerf width. Chris, it looks like your laser is pointed more downwards than mine. Try to aim it more to the far end of the board. I think you will get a brighter line that way. I mounted the holder by drilling a 6mm hole in the over head guard. The mount is not very good. I'll try it for a while, but I'll probably make something more sturdy. No point having alignment help if I have to align the alignment line everytime in order to trust it.? To answer some concerns in this thread. No, this is not a precision tool. But it will help a lot while aligning rough stock and trying to avoid knots and stuff. Here are some pictures of my setup. My shop is very well lit with lots of big LED lamps in the seiling. No problem whatsoever with the brightness of the laser. <IMG_5721.jpg> <IMG_5718.jpg> <IMG_5719.jpg> <IMG_5720.jpg>
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Re: Mantle Build Question
Joe,
Thanks for the details. I think i will try the french cleat approach.
Imran
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I switched to the cleat because it forces the back of the mantel tight to the wall.? I used construction lumber for the first block approach and even
though sized for a nice fit in the pocket it still sagged. I used GRK finishing screws and when I removed them they were not bent so I concluded it was slop.? Also, the French cleat approach was much less fussy to execute as the pocket on the back was only
a bit more than ?¡± deep. When I made the pocket for the first try it was much deeper, maybe 2.5¡±? took way longer to router out the deep pocket.
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I totally agree. I thought that the weak point of simple mounting block are exactly what you mention. The movement of wood (in the mounting block) under lateral load from screw or the screw itself bending. I thought use of hardwood mounting
block, a super tight fit and screws appropriate in shank size would overcome that. Never disagreed that french cleat is not superior.
I would be interested in knowing if Joe Jensen figured out the reason of the sag and whether it could be remedied. His decision to go with french cleat may be because he did not think so but still bd good to know.
On Jan 6, 2021, at 9:17 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 02:54 PM, imranindiana wrote:
The simplicity of a mounting block is still attractive. I do not see why it would sag.
When a french cleat is loaded downward, there's a wedging force that pulls it tighter to the wall.? ?
When a square block is loaded, the downward load creates a "racking" (rotational) force as David B noted.
This drawing illustrates.
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
We use wall and ceiling mounted lasers for patient positioning in radiation oncology. Very stable with a thin green line. Easy to adjust and commercially available. One manufacturer is lap-laser.
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I got mine today. It exceeded my expectations. Very bright, very consistent width. I found that it has a sweetspot in brightness at a certain angle. Mounting it in that angle gives a perfect line. It's even pretty close to my kerf width.
Chris, it looks like your laser is pointed more downwards than mine. Try to aim it more to the far end of the board. I think you will get a brighter line that way.
I mounted the holder by drilling a 6mm hole in the over head guard. The mount is not very good. I'll try it for a while, but I'll probably make something more sturdy. No point having alignment help if I have to align the alignment line everytime in order to trust it.?
To answer some concerns in this thread. No, this is not a precision tool. But it will help a lot while aligning rough stock and trying to avoid knots and stuff.
Here are some pictures of my setup. My shop is very well lit with lots of big LED lamps in the seiling. No problem whatsoever with the brightness of the laser.
   
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Re: CF-531 won¡¯t start after replacing selector switch
Just a quick update...
I spoke with Felder and they sent me a wiring schematic for my machine and also photos showing me how the jumpers were configured on the new switch.? I tried reconfiguring the jumpers as per the photos, but that didn't seem to work.? I also tracked all the wires from the terminals on the switch back into the machine and they are all connected correctly to the various other components.
Then I did some troubleshooting / diagnosis with my multimeter to try to isolate the issue.? Not solved yet, but I now have a much better understanding of how all the wiring and electrical componentry works.
I just spoke with the Kraus & Naimer GM in Canada and he generously sent me the switching diagrams for both the new and the old switch.? These diagrams also show the jumper configuration, so I now have much better information to get this sorted.??
Hopefully, will have the machine running shortly...
Todd
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