Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Dave,
I see.?
Yes, the Shaper cutters are expensive if you buy brand new.?
20k for 14 years old KF and AD is not a great deal, but 2k for the toolings is a good deal.
James
Keep in mind it isn't $20K for just the KF.? It's $22K for the KF, the AD, and a bunch of extra stuff.? The extra "stuff" adds up quickly.? I'd be surprised if the cost of all of the extras is less than $5K Dave
20K for a 14 years old KF700 is too much. I would buy a 22K Martin T-60 instead, then buy a used standalone shaper :)
James
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:50 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
The tooling and the cabinet look to be a good deal.? The machines are way overpriced.? Dave
After a quick look the KF700 and AD741 are in working order, appear to be in great condition with no rust or damage, but are in need of a cleaning.? The slider is 9' (not 8') and operates very smoothly. Both have mobility kits installed. The KF700 has
remote start for saw and scoring at end of slider.? There are two shaper hoods, transport and mounting unit, 2 ecentric clamps, F38 power feeder, outrigger with extension, crosscut fence with extension, tenoning plate, 4 shaper spindles, what appears to be
a DGL 690, 9 or more Felder blades, 3 freud blades, a lot of shaper tooling (really a lot), stainless steel rolling tool cabinet, dust collection fittings, extra 49" fence bar and measure, and many more items.
There might be a extension table for right side of the cast iron top hidden somewhere in the shop.
This is essentially an estate sale.? The surviving son is asking $20K for the machines and accessories with $2000 extra for the tooling and cabinet.?
There is a lot here and as Joe said, much of the tooling I might never use.
I estimated an incomplete list of the accessories and tooling that did not come with the individual units with pricing from Felder's online store and internet searches at about $15K. ?
So, these are 14 year old machines, in good to excellent condition. The KF700 has desirable features with digital-drive, variable speed, a feature I believe is not offered today and accessorized to the hilt.?
Still on the fence, because of the cost and I can't help feel like there may be some missing parts. ? Here are some photos.
                  
Mike Barrow
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
The KF is the better deal depending on what are accessories and what is tooling but since most stuff goes with that machine, 12K for all of it is pretty decent.? 14K might be a stretch but still way better than the J-P pricing.? Some of that tooling could be
resold to recoup some money.? Dave
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Keep in mind it isn't $20K for just the KF.? It's $22K for the KF, the AD, and a bunch of extra stuff.? The extra "stuff" adds up quickly.? I'd be surprised if the cost of all of the extras is less than $5K
Dave
20K for a 14 years old KF700 is too much. I would buy a 22K Martin T-60 instead, then buy a used standalone shaper :)
James
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:50 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
The tooling and the cabinet look to be a good deal.? The machines are way overpriced.? Dave
After a quick look the KF700 and AD741 are in working order, appear to be in great condition with no rust or damage, but are in need of a cleaning.? The slider is 9' (not 8') and operates very smoothly. Both have mobility kits installed. The KF700 has
remote start for saw and scoring at end of slider.? There are two shaper hoods, transport and mounting unit, 2 ecentric clamps, F38 power feeder, outrigger with extension, crosscut fence with extension, tenoning plate, 4 shaper spindles, what appears to be
a DGL 690, 9 or more Felder blades, 3 freud blades, a lot of shaper tooling (really a lot), stainless steel rolling tool cabinet, dust collection fittings, extra 49" fence bar and measure, and many more items.
There might be a extension table for right side of the cast iron top hidden somewhere in the shop.
This is essentially an estate sale.? The surviving son is asking $20K for the machines and accessories with $2000 extra for the tooling and cabinet.?
There is a lot here and as Joe said, much of the tooling I might never use.
I estimated an incomplete list of the accessories and tooling that did not come with the individual units with pricing from Felder's online store and internet searches at about $15K. ?
So, these are 14 year old machines, in good to excellent condition. The KF700 has desirable features with digital-drive, variable speed, a feature I believe is not offered today and accessorized to the hilt.?
Still on the fence, because of the cost and I can't help feel like there may be some missing parts. ? Here are some photos.
                  
Mike Barrow
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Keep in mind it isn't $20K for just the KF.? It's $22K for the KF, the AD, and a bunch of extra stuff.? The extra "stuff" adds up quickly.? I'd be surprised if the cost of all of the extras is less than $5K Dave
20K for a 14 years old KF700 is too much. I would buy a 22K Martin T-60 instead, then buy a used standalone shaper :)
James
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:50 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
The tooling and the cabinet look to be a good deal.? The machines are way overpriced.? Dave
After a quick look the KF700 and AD741 are in working order, appear to be in great condition with no rust or damage, but are in need of a cleaning.? The slider is 9' (not 8') and operates very smoothly. Both have mobility kits installed. The KF700 has
remote start for saw and scoring at end of slider.? There are two shaper hoods, transport and mounting unit, 2 ecentric clamps, F38 power feeder, outrigger with extension, crosscut fence with extension, tenoning plate, 4 shaper spindles, what appears to be
a DGL 690, 9 or more Felder blades, 3 freud blades, a lot of shaper tooling (really a lot), stainless steel rolling tool cabinet, dust collection fittings, extra 49" fence bar and measure, and many more items.
There might be a extension table for right side of the cast iron top hidden somewhere in the shop.
This is essentially an estate sale.? The surviving son is asking $20K for the machines and accessories with $2000 extra for the tooling and cabinet.?
There is a lot here and as Joe said, much of the tooling I might never use.
I estimated an incomplete list of the accessories and tooling that did not come with the individual units with pricing from Felder's online store and internet searches at about $15K. ?
So, these are 14 year old machines, in good to excellent condition. The KF700 has desirable features with digital-drive, variable speed, a feature I believe is not offered today and accessorized to the hilt.?
Still on the fence, because of the cost and I can't help feel like there may be some missing parts. ? Here are some photos.
                  
Mike Barrow
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
20K for a 14 years old KF700 is too much. I would buy a 22K Martin T-60 instead, then buy a used standalone shaper :)
James
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:50 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
The tooling and the cabinet look to be a good deal.? The machines are way overpriced.? Dave
After a quick look the KF700 and AD741 are in working order, appear to be in great condition with no rust or damage, but are in need of a cleaning.? The slider is 9' (not 8') and operates very smoothly. Both have mobility kits installed. The KF700 has
remote start for saw and scoring at end of slider.? There are two shaper hoods, transport and mounting unit, 2 ecentric clamps, F38 power feeder, outrigger with extension, crosscut fence with extension, tenoning plate, 4 shaper spindles, what appears to be
a DGL 690, 9 or more Felder blades, 3 freud blades, a lot of shaper tooling (really a lot), stainless steel rolling tool cabinet, dust collection fittings, extra 49" fence bar and measure, and many more items.
There might be a extension table for right side of the cast iron top hidden somewhere in the shop.
This is essentially an estate sale.? The surviving son is asking $20K for the machines and accessories with $2000 extra for the tooling and cabinet.?
There is a lot here and as Joe said, much of the tooling I might never use.
I estimated an incomplete list of the accessories and tooling that did not come with the individual units with pricing from Felder's online store and internet searches at about $15K. ?
So, these are 14 year old machines, in good to excellent condition. The KF700 has desirable features with digital-drive, variable speed, a feature I believe is not offered today and accessorized to the hilt.?
Still on the fence, because of the cost and I can't help feel like there may be some missing parts. ? Here are some photos.
                  
Mike Barrow
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Mike, ? If? you decide not to purchase...I'd be interested in seeing if I could purchase the Distometer from the seller.? I sure hope this won't happen to my workshop when I pass... Thanks, Davve Davies
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 9:50 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
The tooling and the cabinet look to be a good deal.? The machines are way overpriced.? Dave
After a quick look the KF700 and AD741 are in working order, appear to be in great condition with no rust or damage, but are in need of a cleaning.? The slider is 9' (not 8') and operates very smoothly. Both have mobility kits installed. The KF700 has
remote start for saw and scoring at end of slider.? There are two shaper hoods, transport and mounting unit, 2 ecentric clamps, F38 power feeder, outrigger with extension, crosscut fence with extension, tenoning plate, 4 shaper spindles, what appears to be
a DGL 690, 9 or more Felder blades, 3 freud blades, a lot of shaper tooling (really a lot), stainless steel rolling tool cabinet, dust collection fittings, extra 49" fence bar and measure, and many more items.
There might be a extension table for right side of the cast iron top hidden somewhere in the shop.
This is essentially an estate sale.? The surviving son is asking $20K for the machines and accessories with $2000 extra for the tooling and cabinet.?
There is a lot here and as Joe said, much of the tooling I might never use.
I estimated an incomplete list of the accessories and tooling that did not come with the individual units with pricing from Felder's online store and internet searches at about $15K. ?
So, these are 14 year old machines, in good to excellent condition. The KF700 has desirable features with digital-drive, variable speed, a feature I believe is not offered today and accessorized to the hilt.?
Still on the fence, because of the cost and I can't help feel like there may be some missing parts. ? Here are some photos.
                  
Mike Barrow
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
The tooling and the cabinet look to be a good deal.? The machines are way overpriced.? Dave
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After a quick look the KF700 and AD741 are in working order, appear to be in great condition with no rust or damage, but are in need of a cleaning. ?The slider is 9' (not 8') and operates very smoothly. Both have mobility kits installed. The KF700 has
remote start for saw and scoring at end of slider. ?There are two shaper hoods, transport and mounting unit, 2 ecentric clamps, F38 power feeder, outrigger with extension, crosscut fence with extension, tenoning plate, 4 shaper spindles, what appears to be
a DGL 690, 9 or more Felder blades, 3 freud blades, a lot of shaper tooling (really a lot), stainless steel rolling tool cabinet, dust collection fittings, extra 49" fence bar and measure, and many more items.
There might be a extension table for right side of the cast iron top hidden somewhere in the shop.
This is essentially an estate sale. ?The surviving son is asking $20K for the machines and accessories with $2000 extra for the tooling and cabinet.?
There is a lot here and as Joe said, much of the tooling I might never use.
I estimated an incomplete list of the accessories and tooling that did not come with the individual units with pricing from Felder's online store and internet searches at about $15K. ?
So, these are 14 year old machines, in good to excellent condition. The KF700 has desirable features with digital-drive, variable speed, a feature I believe is not offered today and accessorized to the hilt.?
Still on the fence, because of the cost and I can't help feel like there may be some missing parts. ? Here are some photos.
                  
Mike Barrow
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I have found any pitchy/resinous wood tends to catch and grab¡ I can run any hardwood, walnut, cherry, maple, etc. and rarely have an issue. Try sending a couple 2x4¡¯s thru and it¡¯ll start screeching and grabbing almost immediately. How heavy are your passes, less depth of cut tends to feed smoother in my experience, but then in softwoods you run the risk of seeing indentations from the serrated roller.
You might try making a bed cover out of melamine, put a cleat sticking down on both ends so it¡¯s captive on the bed and then run your material on top of that. The melamine is pretty slippery.
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
After a quick look the KF700 and AD741 are in working order, appear to be in great condition with no rust or damage, but are in need of a cleaning. ?The slider is 9' (not 8') and operates very smoothly. Both have mobility kits installed. The KF700 has remote start for saw and scoring at end of slider. ?There are two shaper hoods, transport and mounting unit, 2 ecentric clamps, F38 power feeder, outrigger with extension, crosscut fence with extension, tenoning plate, 4 shaper spindles, what appears to be a DGL 690, 9 or more Felder blades, 3 freud blades, a lot of shaper tooling (really a lot), stainless steel rolling tool cabinet, dust collection fittings, extra 49" fence bar and measure, and many more items. There might be a extension table for right side of the cast iron top hidden somewhere in the shop. This is essentially an estate sale. ?The surviving son is asking $20K for the machines and accessories with $2000 extra for the tooling and cabinet.? There is a lot here and as Joe said, much of the tooling I might never use. I estimated an incomplete list of the accessories and tooling that did not come with the individual units with pricing from Felder's online store and internet searches at about $15K. ? So, these are 14 year old machines, in good to excellent condition. The KF700 has desirable features with digital-drive, variable speed, a feature I believe is not offered today and accessorized to the hilt.? Still on the fence, because of the cost and I can't help feel like there may be some missing parts. ? Here are some photos.                    Mike Barrow
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
I actually talked to the previous owner of the Multi-router company, Lorraine Machine.? He acquired?the product to settle a debt that JDS owed him and he immediately raised the price to cover the debt.? He told me that when Woodpecker bought it they dropped the price and plan on making money through volume sales.? So good for us. Dave
Interesting. Woodpeckers start selling Multi-router, looks like Woodpeckers quietly bought the company that makes Multi router, cause Google search does not show that company (they bought JDS Multi router) anymore.
I think Multi router price has to come down, improve the dust collection, and more low cost templates, it cannot compete against Panto router, otherwise, it will become a loser like Leigh FMT at the end.
James
I see woodpeckers has a sale on the multi router from an email today.? ?So i thought I would revive this thread.? I was leaning toward a panto-router and wanted to ask if anyone had used both and what the set up was like.? I see David's comments on the multi-router which, as always, makes a lot of sense.? With the Pantorouter you move the router with the wood being clamped in one position and with the multi-router you move the work piece and tables to and around the router.? Does one of these methods make set up quicker and easier or is it "6 one 1/2 dozen the other"?
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Interesting. Woodpeckers start selling Multi-router, looks like Woodpeckers quietly bought the company that makes Multi router, cause Google search does not show that company (they bought JDS Multi router) anymore.
I think Multi router price has to come down, improve the dust collection, and more low cost templates, it cannot compete against Panto router, otherwise, it will become a loser like Leigh FMT at the end.
James
I see woodpeckers has a sale on the multi router from an email today.? ?So i thought I would revive this thread.? I was leaning toward a panto-router and wanted to ask if anyone had used both and what the set up was like.? I see David's comments on the multi-router which, as always, makes a lot of sense.? With the Pantorouter you move the router with the wood being clamped in one position and with the multi-router you move the work piece and tables to and around the router.? Does one of these methods make set up quicker and easier or is it "6 one 1/2 dozen the other"?
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? I haven¡¯t used the pants router but I do have the multi. ? I love its precision. ? I would like to add the 3 axis DRO as well. ?That would be a great addition.
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On Jan 5, 2021, at 7:40 AM, Michael Marsico <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
?I see woodpeckers has a sale on the multi router from an email today.? ?So i thought I would revive this thread.? I was leaning toward a panto-router and wanted to ask if anyone had used both and what the set up was like.? I see David's comments on the multi-router which, as always, makes a lot of sense.? With the Pantorouter you move the router with the wood being clamped in one position and with the multi-router you move the work piece and tables to and around the router.? Does one of these methods make set up quicker and easier or is it "6 one 1/2 dozen the other"?
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Felder Shaper Spindle 424-116 1 1/4 Inch
This has been reduced to $299. Sharing JIC, someone is on the fence.
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
I see woodpeckers has a sale on the multi router from an email today.? ?So i thought I would revive this thread.? I was leaning toward a panto-router and wanted to ask if anyone had used both and what the set up was like.? I see David's comments on the multi-router which, as always, makes a lot of sense.? With the Pantorouter you move the router with the wood being clamped in one position and with the multi-router you move the work piece and tables to and around the router.? Does one of these methods make set up quicker and easier or is it "6 one 1/2 dozen the other"?
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I do not see assembly drawing for AD741 in files, just the manual. Dual51 can be ordered with rubber infeed and outfeed rollers and it is a wear item. Do you have steel rollers? Mine is serrated steel on infeed and textured steel on outfeed.
Imran
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On Jan 5, 2021, at 8:44 AM, david slater via groups.io <davidslater@...> wrote:
?Hi Imran,
The material is getting stuck at random times, one post may pass through ok(not often however), some get stuck halfway through and will need to be shoved with some serious force to get it through the rest of the way others just stop randomly and move again when pushed.
I have cleaned both the feed rollers as good as new. When the material is stuck the feed rollers do not stop they simply roll on top of the material. I have cleaned the bed with white spirit and scotch brite then re-waxed it but that still hasn¡¯t helped.
Regards, David.
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Re: Update RE: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery
That truly sucks. Who was the shipper? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Hi Imran,
The material is getting stuck at random times, one post may pass through ok(not often however), some get stuck halfway through and will need to be shoved with some serious force to get it through the rest of the way others just stop randomly and move again when pushed.
I have cleaned both the feed rollers as good as new. When the material is stuck the feed rollers do not stop they simply roll on top of the material. I have cleaned the bed with white spirit and scotch brite then re-waxed it but that still hasn¡¯t helped.
Regards, David.
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Hi David,
So is the issue with infeed or the material is getting stuck at the very end when only outfeed is engaged?
I recently looked at my outfeed roller on dual51 and it had lots of resin from cypress. Came of easily with a natural cleaner we use in the house.
You likely know but this might help until the machine is fixed
Imran
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On Jan 5, 2021, at 7:36 AM, david slater via groups.io <davidslater@...> wrote: ?Hi Imran,
Yes the blades are practically new.
Regards, David.
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Hi Imran,
Yes the blades are practically new.
Regards, David.
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Assume you have tried changinh blades already.
Imran
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On Jan 5, 2021, at 6:00 AM, david slater via groups.io <davidslater@...> wrote: ?Hi all
I wonder if any of you can help me with a problem i have been having with my thicknesser. Its a 2011 AD741, Recently I have been having issues with it feeding material through so i had the cowl off and noticed the drive chain for the feed rollers was extremely loose so i have just changed it for new thinking this was causing the issue. Unfortunately the issue remains and it still will not feed material through properly. I regularly wax the surface and this seems to help but only for a brief period of time.
I do run a large amount of green posts through it however i always have done and it did not used to be an issue. Today i waxed the bed again and ran some kiln dried douglas fir through it to test and whilst this mostly went through easier it still stuck a fair amount of times and needed shoving through.?
I have tried adjusting the tension on the feed rollers with the adjustment screws on top to no avail.
The machine sees a lot of work and will regularly get 1000bft through it in a day but it used to all just sail through without anything really sticking.
If any of you have any ideas as to what the problem may be i would be very grateful.
regards, David.
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