Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
We changed to an induction top 6-7 years ago - it's great and I would not want to go back to gas, or to a ceramic electric hob. Although I love the function, there are two design points that I dislike: touch controls (any spill messes-up the controls, and it's too easy to accidentally turn something on by putting a metal object on the controls) and the glass top being fully surrounded by a raised bezel (makes it difficult to wipe off "bits"). If I was buying again I would look for something with physical controls and with a gap/chute in one corner of the bezel.
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Andy,
Same here, Miele has been great for us too!
Thx,
Wade
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On Jan 1, 2025, at 9:23 AM, Andy via groups.io <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:
? We ended up going with Miele for everything. Oven plus a speed oven above. Induction range, built in coffee maker, dishwasher. I¡¯ve been super impressed with Miele and they even extended the manufacturer warranty to 5 years on all the appliances.?
After using the induction cooktop and being able to boil water in under a minute, I wouldn¡¯t go back to gas.?
Andy? Is it a convection oven? Lots of them will (intentionally) make the inside temp 25f below what you set if you use convection. Because that is the "equivalent" non convection temperature.
I know my last one had a setting to make it stop trying to correct for me and just do what I asked it to.? No clue if dacors do that.?
I know, for example, the newer LG doesn't completely hide it, like my old GE. You say 350 and it changes, on the display, as soon as you hit set, to 325.? ?So at least it's obvious it's trying to be smarter than you.
-Eric On Wed, Jan 1, 2025, 11:11?AM Brandon Nickel via <brandon.nickel= [email protected]> wrote: We have a 48" Dacor gas/electric range and a 42" Dacor built-in refrigerator. The oven(s) frequently refuse to hold correct temperature, stubbornly maintaining exactly 20-30¡ã low. Though, sometimes being exactly right. The infuriating thing is that if you set it to 500¡ã+ to kick on the preheat, the temp reads exactly correctly as it starts to climb, so the thing knows what the current temperature is. Not a calibration issue.
We love the extra space on the six burner cooktop, which is why we choose Dacor over Thermador or others. Most 48" ranges have 8 "small" burners. But the oven issue is massively annoying and we fought it constantly. Not great for a $12k appliance?
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The fridge is made by Samsung and I've already had to put in a new compressor at 5 years which isn't great for a $10k fridge. My last Sears Kenmore was still going strong at 15 years. Other than that, we like it.?
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I suspect all the brands have their issues. I would look at warranty and service options more closely if I were starting over.?
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Good looking kitchen, Jeff!
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I am an induction cooktop fan. I like to cook, and preferred gas until I experienced induction. That was before all of the publicity about air quality issues with gas appliances.
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My GE cooktop drops into a cutout in the countertop. The installation instructions recommend securing it with clips from under the counter. My first one was not secured that way, and the first time I had a major spill I found that I could reach under the cooktop with one hand to push it up while wiping up the spill with the other hand. That made cleanup really easy. Well, easier than trying to get gravy out of little crevices.
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We¡¯re also building our new house, we¡¯re going with mostly Miele, Thermador freedom induction cooktop since you can move the pot anywhere, pretty cool. ?Going to get Gaggenau fridge and freezer mostly due to looks, the interior is very nice with cast aluminum shelves, sold!! ?
Turns out Miele, Thermador and Gaggenau fridges are all basically identical, made in the same factory, the interior finish is the only distinguishable difference. ?Weird since Gaggenau is from Bosch, Thermador is a US company and Miele is German.?
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On Jan 1, 2025, at 9:41?AM, Jeff via groups.io <onehpbmw@...> wrote:
? I had a Dacor standalone range.? The (gas) top was wonderful.? The oven always had issues, not just with maintaining temps but with the glass breaking twice--the replacement glass was still on backorder when I moved from that house.? I have never had that issue with any other manufacturer's products, not even the cheapest apartment rental ones.? Their customer service also sucked--I moved from an area with natural gas to one with propane, and it took a special dispensation from the Pope (and many months) for the adapters to be sent and installed.? This was just outside of Washington DC, not in some sort of "flyover territory".
I have a French door LG refrigerator which has been perfect, knock wood.? Friends with Samsung have been very unhappy with their longevity and need for repairs.?
Also a Bertazzoni speed oven (combination microwave and grill) which has a very cool looking badge and nothing else to recommend it.? It has never worked right from the day it was installed--I use a countertop Breville to do most of what it is supposed to do, and a cheap panasonic microwave in the next room to do the rest.? Both take up counter?space that wouldn't have been needed if the Bertazzoni actually worked.? It is almost sufficient for melting butter.? Sometimes.?
Fisher-Paykel drawer dishwasher, which, with just two of us and the ability to run one drawer at a time, I love.? In addition to Blue Star for ovens, I'd also take a look at American Range.? The appliance company with which I dealt (and which has provided absolutely NO aftermarket service) strongly recommended GE Monogram over Blue Star or American due to service considerations.? As I've gotten no service from GE either, I wish I'd gone with one of the other two.? No guarantee they'd have functioned any more reliably, but it is unlikely they'd have been less so.? The pull-out behind the ovens is both one of the most useful things in this kitchen, and a wonderful use of wasted space.? The cabinet over the ovens is like a vertical file system, partitioned for easy storage and access of baking pans, cookie sheets, etc.? Most of the upper cabinets have Aventos (Blum) hinges for complete access.? Most of the lower cabinets are drawers.? Jeff On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 12:08?PM Steven Lawrence via <steven.d.lawrence= [email protected]> wrote: First post here. ? Been reading woodworking comments and learning for about a year. ? Thanks to all for sharing their experiences and wisdom.?
I can comment on Dacor.?
Range is great.? Wall ovens have been a huge mistake.? Circuit board on both ovens failed after warranty expired and was expensive to replace.? Ovens have never been accurate on temperature settings, run lower than setting.? Have an oven thermometer in each to get the real temp. ?
Based on my experience I would avoid entire Dacor line. ?
Last refrigerator purchased was an LG in French door style on sale at Home Depot.? That has been great. ?
Best Steve Lawrence On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 09:11 Brandon Nickel via <brandon.nickel= [email protected]> wrote: We have a 48" Dacor gas/electric range and a 42" Dacor built-in refrigerator. The oven(s) frequently refuse to hold correct temperature, stubbornly maintaining exactly 20-30¡ã low. Though, sometimes being exactly right. The infuriating thing is that if you set it to 500¡ã+ to kick on the preheat, the temp reads exactly correctly as it starts to climb, so the thing knows what the current temperature is. Not a calibration issue.
We love the extra space on the six burner cooktop, which is why we choose Dacor over Thermador or others. Most 48" ranges have 8 "small" burners. But the oven issue is massively annoying and we fought it constantly. Not great for a $12k appliance?
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The fridge is made by Samsung and I've already had to put in a new compressor at 5 years which isn't great for a $10k fridge. My last Sears Kenmore was still going strong at 15 years. Other than that, we like it.?
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I suspect all the brands have their issues. I would look at warranty and service options more closely if I were starting over.?
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Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
I had a Dacor standalone range.? The (gas) top was wonderful.? The oven always had issues, not just with maintaining temps but with the glass breaking twice--the replacement glass was still on backorder when I moved from that house.? I have never had that issue with any other manufacturer's products, not even the cheapest apartment rental ones.? Their customer service also sucked--I moved from an area with natural gas to one with propane, and it took a special dispensation from the Pope (and many months) for the adapters to be sent and installed.? This was just outside of Washington DC, not in some sort of "flyover territory".
I have a French door LG refrigerator which has been perfect, knock wood.? Friends with Samsung have been very unhappy with their longevity and need for repairs.?
Also a Bertazzoni speed oven (combination microwave and grill) which has a very cool looking badge and nothing else to recommend it.? It has never worked right from the day it was installed--I use a countertop Breville to do most of what it is supposed to do, and a cheap panasonic microwave in the next room to do the rest.? Both take up counter?space that wouldn't have been needed if the Bertazzoni actually worked.? It is almost sufficient for melting butter.? Sometimes.?
Fisher-Paykel drawer dishwasher, which, with just two of us and the ability to run one drawer at a time, I love.? In addition to Blue Star for ovens, I'd also take a look at American Range.? The appliance company with which I dealt (and which has provided absolutely NO aftermarket service) strongly recommended GE Monogram over Blue Star or American due to service considerations.? As I've gotten no service from GE either, I wish I'd gone with one of the other two.? No guarantee they'd have functioned any more reliably, but it is unlikely they'd have been less so.? The pull-out behind the ovens is both one of the most useful things in this kitchen, and a wonderful use of wasted space.? The cabinet over the ovens is like a vertical file system, partitioned for easy storage and access of baking pans, cookie sheets, etc.? Most of the upper cabinets have Aventos (Blum) hinges for complete access.? Most of the lower cabinets are drawers.? Jeff On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 12:08?PM Steven Lawrence via <steven.d.lawrence= [email protected]> wrote:
First post here. ? Been reading woodworking comments and learning for about a year. ? Thanks to all for sharing their experiences and wisdom.?
I can comment on Dacor.?
Range is great.? Wall ovens have been a huge mistake.? Circuit board on both ovens failed after warranty expired and was expensive to replace.? Ovens have never been accurate on temperature settings, run lower than setting.? Have an oven thermometer in each to get the real temp. ?
Based on my experience I would avoid entire Dacor line. ?
Last refrigerator purchased was an LG in French door style on sale at Home Depot.? That has been great. ?
Best Steve Lawrence On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 09:11 Brandon Nickel via <brandon.nickel= [email protected]> wrote: We have a 48" Dacor gas/electric range and a 42" Dacor built-in refrigerator. The oven(s) frequently refuse to hold correct temperature, stubbornly maintaining exactly 20-30¡ã low. Though, sometimes being exactly right. The infuriating thing is that if you set it to 500¡ã+ to kick on the preheat, the temp reads exactly correctly as it starts to climb, so the thing knows what the current temperature is. Not a calibration issue.
We love the extra space on the six burner cooktop, which is why we choose Dacor over Thermador or others. Most 48" ranges have 8 "small" burners. But the oven issue is massively annoying and we fought it constantly. Not great for a $12k appliance?
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The fridge is made by Samsung and I've already had to put in a new compressor at 5 years which isn't great for a $10k fridge. My last Sears Kenmore was still going strong at 15 years. Other than that, we like it.?
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I suspect all the brands have their issues. I would look at warranty and service options more closely if I were starting over.?
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We ended up going with Miele for everything. Oven plus a speed oven above. Induction range, built in coffee maker, dishwasher. I¡¯ve been super impressed with Miele and they even extended the manufacturer warranty to 5 years on all the appliances.?
After using the induction cooktop and being able to boil water in under a minute, I wouldn¡¯t go back to gas.?
Andy?
Is it a convection oven? Lots of them will (intentionally) make the inside temp 25f below what you set if you use convection. Because that is the "equivalent" non convection temperature.
I know my last one had a setting to make it stop trying to correct for me and just do what I asked it to.? No clue if dacors do that.?
I know, for example, the newer LG doesn't completely hide it, like my old GE. You say 350 and it changes, on the display, as soon as you hit set, to 325.? ?So at least it's obvious it's trying to be smarter than you.
-Eric On Wed, Jan 1, 2025, 11:11?AM Brandon Nickel via <brandon.nickel= [email protected]> wrote: We have a 48" Dacor gas/electric range and a 42" Dacor built-in refrigerator. The oven(s) frequently refuse to hold correct temperature, stubbornly maintaining exactly 20-30¡ã low. Though, sometimes being exactly right. The infuriating thing is that if you set it to 500¡ã+ to kick on the preheat, the temp reads exactly correctly as it starts to climb, so the thing knows what the current temperature is. Not a calibration issue.
We love the extra space on the six burner cooktop, which is why we choose Dacor over Thermador or others. Most 48" ranges have 8 "small" burners. But the oven issue is massively annoying and we fought it constantly. Not great for a $12k appliance?
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The fridge is made by Samsung and I've already had to put in a new compressor at 5 years which isn't great for a $10k fridge. My last Sears Kenmore was still going strong at 15 years. Other than that, we like it.?
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I suspect all the brands have their issues. I would look at warranty and service options more closely if I were starting over.?
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If you want power and control then induction is the way to go. We've used Bosch induction cooktops in our last 4 houses. They have all been fantastic without issue. I had a BlueStar range, which I did love, in a house a little over 15 years ago, and one evening we came home to the smell of propane. The regulator had leaked. Instead of repairing, I sold the range, built knew cabinets where the rage was and dropped in the induction top. We've loved it ever since.?
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As for our double ovens, we don't have gas at this house so it's all electric, we use Bosch Benchmark and the dishwasher is Bosch 800 series. We've used SubZero refrigerators in the last 4 houses too. We kind of stick with the brands that have treated us well.?
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They are both convection ovens. ?If you set 350 it will display 350.
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When we had a tech replacing a failed circuit board (two trips, one per oven) they tried to adjust the oven so the actual temp matched the set point. ? So I think with Dacor there is a problem and not an intentional reduction for convection. ?
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First post here. ? Been reading woodworking comments and learning for about a year. ? Thanks to all for sharing their experiences and wisdom.?
I can comment on Dacor.?
Range is great.? Wall ovens have been a huge mistake.? Circuit board on both ovens failed after warranty expired and was expensive to replace.? Ovens have never been accurate on temperature settings, run lower than setting.? Have an oven thermometer in each to get the real temp. ?
Based on my experience I would avoid entire Dacor line. ?
Last refrigerator purchased was an LG in French door style on sale at Home Depot.? That has been great. ?
Best Steve Lawrence
On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 09:11 Brandon Nickel via <brandon.nickel= [email protected]> wrote: We have a 48" Dacor gas/electric range and a 42" Dacor built-in refrigerator. The oven(s) frequently refuse to hold correct temperature, stubbornly maintaining exactly 20-30¡ã low. Though, sometimes being exactly right. The infuriating thing is that if you set it to 500¡ã+ to kick on the preheat, the temp reads exactly correctly as it starts to climb, so the thing knows what the current temperature is. Not a calibration issue.
We love the extra space on the six burner cooktop, which is why we choose Dacor over Thermador or others. Most 48" ranges have 8 "small" burners. But the oven issue is massively annoying and we fought it constantly. Not great for a $12k appliance?
?
The fridge is made by Samsung and I've already had to put in a new compressor at 5 years which isn't great for a $10k fridge. My last Sears Kenmore was still going strong at 15 years. Other than that, we like it.?
?
I suspect all the brands have their issues. I would look at warranty and service options more closely if I were starting over.?
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Is it a convection oven? Lots of them will (intentionally) make the inside temp 25f below what you set if you use convection. Because that is the "equivalent" non convection temperature.
I know my last one had a setting to make it stop trying to correct for me and just do what I asked it to.? No clue if dacors do that.?
I know, for example, the newer LG doesn't completely hide it, like my old GE. You say 350 and it changes, on the display, as soon as you hit set, to 325.? ?So at least it's obvious it's trying to be smarter than you.
-Eric
On Wed, Jan 1, 2025, 11:11?AM Brandon Nickel via <brandon.nickel= [email protected]> wrote: We have a 48" Dacor gas/electric range and a 42" Dacor built-in refrigerator. The oven(s) frequently refuse to hold correct temperature, stubbornly maintaining exactly 20-30¡ã low. Though, sometimes being exactly right. The infuriating thing is that if you set it to 500¡ã+ to kick on the preheat, the temp reads exactly correctly as it starts to climb, so the thing knows what the current temperature is. Not a calibration issue.
We love the extra space on the six burner cooktop, which is why we choose Dacor over Thermador or others. Most 48" ranges have 8 "small" burners. But the oven issue is massively annoying and we fought it constantly. Not great for a $12k appliance?
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The fridge is made by Samsung and I've already had to put in a new compressor at 5 years which isn't great for a $10k fridge. My last Sears Kenmore was still going strong at 15 years. Other than that, we like it.?
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I suspect all the brands have their issues. I would look at warranty and service options more closely if I were starting over.?
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I went to induction?earlier this year after only cooking on gas other than at an?Airbnb. I love it..Went with an LG and no complaints at all. It's got a convection oven as well which is great. I use a big wok on the smooth cooktop and it performs great.
Jason
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We have a 48" Dacor gas/electric range and a 42" Dacor built-in refrigerator. The oven(s) frequently refuse to hold correct temperature, stubbornly maintaining exactly 20-30¡ã low. Though, sometimes being exactly right. The infuriating thing is that if you set it to 500¡ã+ to kick on the preheat, the temp reads exactly correctly as it starts to climb, so the thing knows what the current temperature is. Not a calibration issue.
We love the extra space on the six burner cooktop, which is why we choose Dacor over Thermador or others. Most 48" ranges have 8 "small" burners. But the oven issue is massively annoying and we fought it constantly. Not great for a $12k appliance?
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The fridge is made by Samsung and I've already had to put in a new compressor at 5 years which isn't great for a $10k fridge. My last Sears Kenmore was still going strong at 15 years. Other than that, we like it.?
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I suspect all the brands have their issues. I would look at warranty and service options more closely if I were starting over.?
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You are in one of the fun parts of building a new house, Dave! The hard part is waiting for it to finish, and then dealing with errors and warrantee issues.
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For refrigerators we opted for the French door style, with a freezer drawer at the bottom. My wife was adamant that we get that style, and it turned out to be a good choice.
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i did not want the fridge protruding I to the kitchen, or to get a counter-depth model, so we just framed the kitchen wall with a recess to let the fridge sit a bit deeper. Cheap solution to a minor problem.
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I wanted a fridge with door panels to match the cabinets, but my wife did not want to do that.
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I wonder how long it would take the govt to mandate a std like they did for automotive on-board diagnostics. Maybe it is already done.
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On Jan 1, 2025, at 10:31?AM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote: ? Refrigerators got expensive about the same time they became so computerized. Our 10-year-old fridge went in the fritz a month ago. The repair guy plugged a cord into a port at the top of the refrigerator, and his hand-held device told him exactly what the problem was. The entire diagnostic process was about a minute.
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Agreed. Took my wife in to buy new kitchen package and love all the new?stuff but $12K for just the fridge!?
Went to my local Commercial Supply and paid $1500 tax incl delivered.??
Brian? Retired fine custom homebuilder
On Wed, Jan 1, 2025, 8:26?AM David Davies via <myfinishingtouch= [email protected]> wrote: Refrigerators...granted it's been a couple of decades since I've bought a refrigerator but when did they get so expensive? Dave Davies
On Tue, Dec 31, 2024 at 9:51?PM Jacques Gagnon via <jacques.gagnon309= [email protected]> wrote: John,
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We completed the renovation of our kitchen ten years ago (it took a while, but that¡¯s a story for another time¡). All drawers on the bottom units. We used Blum Movento hardware. Two pairs failed (the soft close function stopped working) a few months ago. No problem with any of the other 17 pairs. Blum replaced the failed units under warranty.
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Let me know if you have questions.
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Regards,
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Jacques
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Last set of tires I bought at Costco was C$900 in Mar, 2021. Now, it is C$1500. That is 50% more. Everything is getting a lot more expensive than before. I just do not believe the?inflation data reported by the government, it is completely a lie?and BS. You should buy all the major items for your new house before Jan 20.?
James
On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 10:26?AM David Davies via <myfinishingtouch= [email protected]> wrote: Refrigerators...granted it's been a couple of decades since I've bought a refrigerator but when did they get so expensive? Dave Davies
On Tue, Dec 31, 2024 at 9:51?PM Jacques Gagnon via <jacques.gagnon309= [email protected]> wrote: John,
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We completed the renovation of our kitchen ten years ago (it took a while, but that¡¯s a story for another time¡). All drawers on the bottom units. We used Blum Movento hardware. Two pairs failed (the soft close function stopped working) a few months ago. No problem with any of the other 17 pairs. Blum replaced the failed units under warranty.
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Let me know if you have questions.
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Regards,
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Jacques
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
Refrigerators got expensive about the same time they became so computerized. Our 10-year-old fridge went in the fritz a month ago. The repair guy plugged a cord into a port at the top of the refrigerator, and his hand-held device told him exactly what the problem was. The entire diagnostic process was about a minute.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Refrigerators...granted it's been a couple of decades since I've bought a refrigerator but when did they get so expensive? Dave Davies On Tue, Dec 31, 2024 at 9:51?PM Jacques Gagnon via <jacques.gagnon309= [email protected]> wrote:
John,
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We completed the renovation of our kitchen ten years ago (it took a while, but that¡¯s a story for another time¡). All drawers on the bottom units. We used Blum Movento hardware. Two pairs failed (the soft close function stopped working) a few months ago. No problem with any of the other 17 pairs. Blum replaced the failed units under warranty.
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Let me know if you have questions.
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Regards,
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Jacques
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
Thanks to all of you for your insight I love reading these threads and while they are not always related to Felder equipment it's nice to get a perspective on what others are using to accomplish their woodworking needs. My questions is what makes the Felder jointer/planer combo machines so inferior to other designs such as SCM? I know some of you have explained but it's a bit hard to conceptualize.?
-Marlon A.
On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 6:50?AM Karl (@Bombaman) via <bombamanwa= [email protected]> wrote: If your keen on the FS7, given the delay it's always worth asking SCM if they have a demo or trade in you could loan while you wait for the replacement.?
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