Re: Adjusting Phase Perfect?
Hi John,
First, I thought Felder spec was +/- 10% (207V - 253V). May be Felder spec is tighter for saws with PCS.
My PP unit is very old and don¡¯t recall it having the capability of changing the output. It creates the 3rd leg within some tolerance of the single phase input, which BTW, goes to the machine unadulterated. I can see them adding a calibration for the manufactured leg on the the new units but it would be difficult to modify the input voltage without a transformer (that is one way and least complicated).
You can share your PP document (relevant section) if you want another set of eyes.
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On Dec 16, 2024, at 4:20?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote: ? My new saw is mis-behaving. The commissioning tech suggests changing the output voltage from my Phase Perfect to be closer to 230 v. Right now the display is showing voltages flickering around 240 to 242 volts. Felder recommends voltage within 5% of the machine¡¯s electrical package, which I think is 240 volts.
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Anyone here made such an adjustment? The PP manual describes a process, but I¡¯m not much of an electrical wizard.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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My new saw is mis-behaving. The commissioning tech suggests changing the output voltage from my Phase Perfect to be closer to 230 v. Right now the display is showing voltages flickering around 240 to 242 volts. Felder recommends voltage within 5% of the machine¡¯s electrical package, which I think is 240 volts.
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Anyone here made such an adjustment? The PP manual describes a process, but I¡¯m not much of an electrical wizard.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Andrea,
On the first point,?as can be seen below, the DRO reduces travel towards the blade by less than 1/2¡± (12.7 mm) and if I duplicate the channel in the sacrificial splinter not at all.
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On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:47?PM, Andrea Cerroni via groups.io <andreacerroni75@...> wrote: ? [Edited Message Follows]
However, in my opinion (as a rule) the DRO should be on the left of the folding stop, to allow for cutting narrower pieces. Or, even better, if you make a rotating pin to mount under the DRO to allow it to be oriented 180¡ã horizontally, if you want to keep the DRO to the right or left of the stop (mounting the entire stop upside down) and also to be able to move the second stop closer to the first stop for double cuts in series.
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However, in my opinion (as a rule) the DRO should be on the left of the folding stop, to allow for cutting narrower pieces. Or, even better, if you make a rotating pin to mount under the DRO to allow it to be oriented 180¡ã horizontally, if you want to keep the DRO to the right or left of the stop (mounting the entire stop upside down) and also to be able to move the second stop closer to the first stop for double cuts in series.
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Hi Brett,
Perhaps, I assume filament is available in any color user likes. Paint certainly exists. But not everyone¡¯s mauve is same so there is that.
Imran Malik
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On Dec 16, 2024, at 2:26?PM, Brett Wissel via groups.io <Brettwissel@...> wrote: ? I'm gonna reply since everyone's thinking it anyway:
Imran, mauve?
Hehe. On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 1:17?PM John Hinman via <jhinman1911= [email protected]> wrote: I was just teasing you about the ¡°beauty¡± thing, Imran. Your DRO holder is quite nice.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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I'm gonna reply since everyone's thinking it anyway:
Imran, mauve?
Hehe.
On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 1:17?PM John Hinman via <jhinman1911= [email protected]> wrote: I was just teasing you about the ¡°beauty¡± thing, Imran. Your DRO holder is quite nice.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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I was just teasing you about the ¡°beauty¡± thing, Imran. Your DRO holder is quite nice.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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John,
Sure thing. I am satisfied with this
and when the Xcut one is painted, I would be equally satisfied. To each his/her own.
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On Dec 16, 2024, at 2:05?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote: ? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Imran.
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I suppose plastic can be made to be attractive ;)
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Imran.
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I suppose plastic can be made to be attractive ;)
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Hi John,
If I could have bought a 3D printed holder for my rip fence and xcut fence for about $100, I would not have ventured in this direction. I also like things that look nice not that a wooden box can¡¯t meet this requirement.
I really had no interest in doing this but there are people who would not order DROs from Ali Express, have no interest in fiddling with a bracket or making a box. So hopefully these people will have an option now.
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On Dec 16, 2024, at 11:52?AM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote: ? I used one of the inexpensive DRO (M503?) for my rip fence. I made a simple wooden box that the display slides into with a friction fit, and that attaches to the rip fence casting with magnets. The harder part was mounting the read head, but with a scrap of aluminum and some sturdy mounting tape I made it work. It was very helpful, and met the need. I am not sure what advantage there would be in using a DRO that costs an order of magnitude more.
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The DRO must be recalibrated when the fence is changed from high to low position, and when the fence is tilted up and the read head comes off the magnetic tape. I turned a hardwood button that fits into one of the scoring unit holes, so I just slide the fence into contact with that button and reset the DRO. The most time-consuming part is re-reading the instructions for the button sequence needed to reset the DRO!
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As far as the cross-cut fence stop goes, Brian¡¯s is not only solid and square to the fence and to the table but is on the right side (and the proper side, IMO) of the DRO. I used mine in conjunction with a single parallel fence, so being able to get closer to the saw blade without fooling around with spacer blocks is helpful. It does leave a short zone near the end of the cross-cut fence without a stop, but that has yet to be an issue for the way I work.
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Now that I have a new saw with the Felder DRO on the rip fence I will have to find a way to deal with the left-side flip stop. It stops 8.15¡± from the blade. I have some ideas for a spacer that will travel with the flip stop, but have yet to try those ideas out.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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I designed and 3D printed a housing for the folks that wanted the Faima DRO unit on their rip fences. I guess I can supply those, It uses a couple of nuts to lock into the housing and a rubber o-ring under it to apply some rotational friction so you can aim the unit as you desire. I don't really want to get involved in making the bracket to hold the read head as the Felder housings vary quite a bit depending upon machine and year. It's a simple bracket, but a bit too much design and develop to be able to charge maybe $30 for the bracket. It would be different if i had every variation on hand to do the work... but that's not going to happen.
Picture of a previous print....
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 09:10:35 AM MST, Wade Dees via groups.io <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
Brian,
I¡¯m looking for a DRO to install on the rip fence of the K700S. ?Something that sits on the main casting hub of the rip assembly. ?
I have the heavy duty Felder flip stops with DRO already. ?Love that setup! ?
Thx,
Wade
On Dec 16, 2024, at 7:29?AM, Brian Lamb via groups.io <blamb11@...> wrote:
? You guys do realize that Proscale or Imran's contraption do nothing to get rid of the crappy flipstop that Felder uses and isn't square. I am also not sure I would want to trust the flimsy 3D printed brackets that I'm seeing here to hold the electronics. One good bump with a board will have the units in multiple pieces... of course if the STL is provided you can always print another, consider it a consumable.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 06:27:50 PM MST, Tim Prinzing via groups.io <tim.prinzing@...> wrote:
I just went to the Proscale website and noticed this for Felder K700 with 1800mm crosscut fence:
? --Tim On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 5:36?PM Wade Dees via <wjdsignature= [email protected]> wrote: Accurate technology Inc. makes great DRO¡¯s!
I¡¯m hoping one day they will develope a kit for the K700S. ?
Wade
On Dec 15, 2024, at 2:30?PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
? Andrea,
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By the way, Proscale does already have a kit for the Minimax SC4:
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-Aaron
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I used one of the inexpensive DRO (M503?) for my rip fence. I made a simple wooden box that the display slides into with a friction fit, and that attaches to the rip fence casting with magnets. The harder part was mounting the read head, but with a scrap of aluminum and some sturdy mounting tape I made it work. It was very helpful, and met the need. I am not sure what advantage there would be in using a DRO that costs an order of magnitude more.
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The DRO must be recalibrated when the fence is changed from high to low position, and when the fence is tilted up and the read head comes off the magnetic tape. I turned a hardwood button that fits into one of the scoring unit holes, so I just slide the fence into contact with that button and reset the DRO. The most time-consuming part is re-reading the instructions for the button sequence needed to reset the DRO!
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As far as the cross-cut fence stop goes, Brian¡¯s is not only solid and square to the fence and to the table but is on the right side (and the proper side, IMO) of the DRO. I used mine in conjunction with a single parallel fence, so being able to get closer to the saw blade without fooling around with spacer blocks is helpful. It does leave a short zone near the end of the cross-cut fence without a stop, but that has yet to be an issue for the way I work.
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Now that I have a new saw with the Felder DRO on the rip fence I will have to find a way to deal with the left-side flip stop. It stops 8.15¡± from the blade. I have some ideas for a spacer that will travel with the flip stop, but have yet to try those ideas out.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Brian is right that my offering does not help with Felder flipstop issues. If that is your issue then you can purchase his DRO flipstop. I whacked my Felder flipstop with a dead blow hammer into submission - repeat at your own risk though.
Anyhow, my reason for doing this is to offer a product at a very different price point so more users can take advantage of it. There is no free lunch, lower cost means that it would require some care. I believe it is fine for a hobby shop. Replacing damaged parts should not be an issue though.
The biggest advantage of the DRO is quick adjustment and replication that is just not possible with OEM scale. Few days ago, I changed blades and cut a piece at 10¡± setting on DRO. The cut piece measured 10.023¡±. Moved the DRO 0.023¡± to the right and reset it. Done.
Here is the actual 12¡± long test piece I cut afterwards. Obviously, this is possible with any DRO and I like having this ability, whether needed or not.
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On Dec 16, 2024, at 10:27?AM, Brian Lamb via groups.io <blamb11@...> wrote: ? You guys do realize that Proscale or Imran's contraption do nothing to get rid of the crappy flipstop that Felder uses and isn't square. I am also not sure I would want to trust the flimsy 3D printed brackets that I'm seeing here to hold the electronics. One good bump with a board will have the units in multiple pieces... of course if the STL is provided you can always print another, consider it a consumable.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 06:27:50 PM MST, Tim Prinzing via groups.io <tim.prinzing@...> wrote:
I just went to the Proscale website and noticed this for Felder K700 with 1800mm crosscut fence:
? --Tim On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 5:36?PM Wade Dees via <wjdsignature= [email protected]> wrote: Accurate technology Inc. makes great DRO¡¯s!
I¡¯m hoping one day they will develope a kit for the K700S. ?
Wade
On Dec 15, 2024, at 2:30?PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
? Andrea,
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By the way, Proscale does already have a kit for the Minimax SC4:
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-Aaron
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Thank you Imran. ?Yeah, it¡¯s a bit odd that I can never open your links. ?But do appreciate you sending a copy. ?I¡¯ll definitely take look. Wade
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On Dec 16, 2024, at 7:37?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Wade,
Not sure why it works for me, anyways, here is a copy.
On Dec 16, 2024, at 10:02?AM, Wade Dees via groups.io <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hi Imran,
For some reason I cannot open the link. ?
Wade On Dec 16, 2024, at 5:44?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Wade,
If you want a high quality rip fence DRO, I would choose Fiama F8P. I plan to have this available where one does not need to fabricate the bracket as shown in the doc below. It allows quick display update when fence profile is changed between hi an lo whereas M503 requires recalibration.
On Dec 16, 2024, at 7:47?AM, Wade Dees via groups.io <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hi Tim,
My apologies, I should have mentioned, I¡¯m hoping for one that fits the rip fence of the K700S.
Thx,
Wade
On Dec 15, 2024, at 5:28?PM, Tim Prinzing via groups.io <tim.prinzing@...> wrote:
? I just went to the Proscale website and noticed this for Felder K700 with 1800mm crosscut fence:
? --Tim On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 5:36?PM Wade Dees via <wjdsignature= [email protected]> wrote: Accurate technology Inc. makes great DRO¡¯s!
I¡¯m hoping one day they will develope a kit for the K700S. ?
Wade
On Dec 15, 2024, at 2:30?PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
? Andrea,
?
By the way, Proscale does already have a kit for the Minimax SC4:
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-Aaron
<Retrofitting the Malik-Bach Rip Fence DRO 3-11-23.docx.pdf>
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Brian,
I¡¯m looking for a DRO to install on the rip fence of the K700S. ?Something that sits on the main casting hub of the rip assembly. ?
I have the heavy duty Felder flip stops with DRO already. ?Love that setup! ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Dec 16, 2024, at 7:29?AM, Brian Lamb via groups.io <blamb11@...> wrote:
? You guys do realize that Proscale or Imran's contraption do nothing to get rid of the crappy flipstop that Felder uses and isn't square. I am also not sure I would want to trust the flimsy 3D printed brackets that I'm seeing here to hold the electronics. One good bump with a board will have the units in multiple pieces... of course if the STL is provided you can always print another, consider it a consumable.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 06:27:50 PM MST, Tim Prinzing via groups.io <tim.prinzing@...> wrote:
I just went to the Proscale website and noticed this for Felder K700 with 1800mm crosscut fence:
? --Tim On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 5:36?PM Wade Dees via <wjdsignature= [email protected]> wrote: Accurate technology Inc. makes great DRO¡¯s!
I¡¯m hoping one day they will develope a kit for the K700S. ?
Wade
On Dec 15, 2024, at 2:30?PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
? Andrea,
?
By the way, Proscale does already have a kit for the Minimax SC4:
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-Aaron
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Wade,
Not sure why it works for me, anyways, here is a copy.
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On Dec 16, 2024, at 10:02?AM, Wade Dees via groups.io <wjdsignature@...> wrote: ? Hi Imran,
For some reason I cannot open the link. ?
Wade On Dec 16, 2024, at 5:44?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Wade,
If you want a high quality rip fence DRO, I would choose Fiama F8P. I plan to have this available where one does not need to fabricate the bracket as shown in the doc below. It allows quick display update when fence profile is changed between hi an lo whereas M503 requires recalibration.
On Dec 16, 2024, at 7:47?AM, Wade Dees via groups.io <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hi Tim,
My apologies, I should have mentioned, I¡¯m hoping for one that fits the rip fence of the K700S.
Thx,
Wade
On Dec 15, 2024, at 5:28?PM, Tim Prinzing via groups.io <tim.prinzing@...> wrote:
? I just went to the Proscale website and noticed this for Felder K700 with 1800mm crosscut fence:
? --Tim On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 5:36?PM Wade Dees via <wjdsignature= [email protected]> wrote: Accurate technology Inc. makes great DRO¡¯s!
I¡¯m hoping one day they will develope a kit for the K700S. ?
Wade
On Dec 15, 2024, at 2:30?PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
? Andrea,
?
By the way, Proscale does already have a kit for the Minimax SC4:
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-Aaron
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Re: Mirka DEOS 3x4 vs Surfprep
I have owned both the mirka 6¡± deros and 3x5 deos rectangle sander. Ended up selling both of them in favor of the Ekasand 3x4 and 6¡±. My main shop sander is now a 6¡± festool, the 6¡± Ekasand is used as a loaner, backup and for buffing oil finishes. ?My main reason for selling the deos 3x5 and getting an Ekasand 3x4 is simply because it was more compact and fit into tighter spaces. I have partnered with Ekasand as well so if anyone is interested in a 20% discount code, feel free to send me a PM.? By the way, uneeda Ekasand, surfprep, and airvantage are all the same tools with different colors.? Side note, whether anyone is in the Milwaukee m12 platform or not, the detail sander is a phenomenal little tool and has earned its spot in my install kit. It can be had with a free battery for under $150. Highly recommended that guy, it¡¯s a true orbital unlike until tool style detail sanding pads.?
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 7:32?PM, Derek Cohen via groups.io <derekcohen@...> wrote:
? I have an older model, the Ceos, with a 150mm pad. The difference between the Ceos and the Deos is that the Deos comes with the transformer built into the sander, while the Ceos requires an external, separate transformer. As a result the Ceos is a little lighter in the hand, but the Deos is more convenient to set up.?
I love using this little sander, which was purchased over a Festool. It is especially kind to us physically when planing vertical sections - obviously originally made for the motor refinishing industry. The paddle will feel unusual at the start, and then is forgotten once you become familiar with the sander. Mine is the lowest sander in vibration I use used, and the dust control is the absolute best (used with Mirka mesh and a Festool vacuum).?
Regards from Perth
Derek
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You guys do realize that Proscale or Imran's contraption do nothing to get rid of the crappy flipstop that Felder uses and isn't square. I am also not sure I would want to trust the flimsy 3D printed brackets that I'm seeing here to hold the electronics. One good bump with a board will have the units in multiple pieces... of course if the STL is provided you can always print another, consider it a consumable.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 06:27:50 PM MST, Tim Prinzing via groups.io <tim.prinzing@...> wrote:
I just went to the Proscale website and noticed this for Felder K700 with 1800mm crosscut fence:
? --Tim
On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 5:36?PM Wade Dees via <wjdsignature= [email protected]> wrote: Accurate technology Inc. makes great DRO¡¯s!
I¡¯m hoping one day they will develope a kit for the K700S. ?
Wade
On Dec 15, 2024, at 2:30?PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
? Andrea,
?
By the way, Proscale does already have a kit for the Minimax SC4:
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-Aaron
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Hi Imran,
For some reason I cannot open the link. ?
Wade
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On Dec 16, 2024, at 5:44?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Wade,
If you want a high quality rip fence DRO, I would choose Fiama F8P. I plan to have this available where one does not need to fabricate the bracket as shown in the doc below. It allows quick display update when fence profile is changed between hi an lo whereas M503 requires recalibration.
On Dec 16, 2024, at 7:47?AM, Wade Dees via groups.io <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hi Tim,
My apologies, I should have mentioned, I¡¯m hoping for one that fits the rip fence of the K700S.
Thx,
Wade
On Dec 15, 2024, at 5:28?PM, Tim Prinzing via groups.io <tim.prinzing@...> wrote:
? I just went to the Proscale website and noticed this for Felder K700 with 1800mm crosscut fence:
? --Tim On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 5:36?PM Wade Dees via <wjdsignature= [email protected]> wrote: Accurate technology Inc. makes great DRO¡¯s!
I¡¯m hoping one day they will develope a kit for the K700S. ?
Wade
On Dec 15, 2024, at 2:30?PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
? Andrea,
?
By the way, Proscale does already have a kit for the Minimax SC4:
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-Aaron
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Re: sliding table saw: parallel fence vs 2nd crosscut fence?
#k700s
David,
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Thank you for your feedback. I am actually using the short crosscut fence on my F700Z, not on the saw, so crosscutting is not the issue, I definitely need a fence and the ability to clamp down pieces square to the travel of my slider. I will tinker with the idea and hope to find a solution that will work at least for my needs. I was also thinking to overcome the short distance (between the pivot and 90 degree stop) by using the Felder sliding table extension which uses the p-channel as a reference and would increase the distance between the points. Just trying to work as much as possible with off the shelf components to improve the situation without commissioning a shop to machine parts to extremely tight tolerances.?
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Many thanks,
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Cornelius
Cyprus?
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imran
Dan Gavrilyuk