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Re: New Owner of K700S
I found a used one locally, paid $100 for it, but then had to rebuild the seals on the lift cyliinder, not sure it was worth the savings to go used. Mine is a BT Lift, think they are made in Europe, parts are readily available. Any reputable brand will be good, Crown, Jet and many others. You will need a narrow unit, mine is 20.5" x 48". You can pick up anything with it, but being narrow, you do need to balance the item you are trying to lift. When I originally got my saw back in 2001, the driver used a lift gate and his pallet jack to get it off the truck and into my garage at the time. Then I rented a narrow pallet jack and got it down off the pallet and moved from the garage into the shop. I didn't buy my own pallet jack until about 15 years ago after moving several times... should have done it right at the beginning. Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Tuesday, October 29, 2024 at 08:45:26 AM MST, Denno <dennis@...> wrote:
Many thanks Brian, I think I may go ahead and buy one. I know it will come in handy around the shop for other things as well.
Did you go with a specific brand and were you happy with its performance?
I have read that I will need the narrow version. Do you know if the narrow version would also move the pallet after it is unloaded by the saw delivery driver?
I have a very long driveway and am wondering if I can talk/tip the driver into 'palleting' it into my garage or if I am better off having the above pallet jack ready and waiting at the street?
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Many thanks
Dennis
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Re: New Owner of K700S
Many thanks Brian, I think I may go ahead and buy one. I know it will come in handy around the shop for other things as well.
Did you go with a specific brand and were you happy with its performance?
I have read that I will need the narrow version. Do you know if the narrow version would also move the pallet after it is unloaded by the saw delivery driver?
I have a very long driveway and am wondering if I can talk/tip the driver into 'palleting' it into my garage or if I am better off having the above pallet jack ready and waiting at the street?
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Re: How do I make this molding
Like Patrick said, do it in two pieces, heck even if it were stained, you could still do it in two by first ripping the piece to be used in two. If the saw kerfs do indeed go full depth, or even close to it, i would simply do the dado cuts for the dentil part, then glue the pieces together before making the kerf cuts.
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Bryce
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Re: New to me RL200
Thanks for your insight Peter. It is working very well, & everything seems to check out, so i guess i'll enjoy the benefit of the extra warmth over the winter, then see how it goes in the summer. :)
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Bryce
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Re: How do I make this molding
Hey Imran, Will the moulding be painted like the example? Also, do you have a closer photo?? If the final moulding will be painted, then i would do it in two pieces. The front dentil moulding would be one piece. This allows you to run through a dado and achieve the squared?profile in one shot. The second piece is simple flat stock that appears to be taller than the dentil moulding. Once painted they will appear as one moulding. As for the small groove separating the dentil pieces, can you see how deep it is? If it is just a simple shadow line, then you can make a nonthrough?cut at the table saw/radial arm saw. If that skinny groove goes full depth, then i suppose you are gluing a ton of separate dentil pieces with a spacer. This seems like a PITA. I just did a similar dentil moulding for an exterior door and i am interested in how the pros approach it. I did all my cuts with a dado stack at my oliver 232. I made it out of one solid piece of sapele, and this ended up requiring a decent amount of cleanup in very tight nooks n crannies. In hindsight, i would have chopped the moulding up into many different pieces in order to make sanding much much easier. I dont?appreciate the grain continuity as much as i thought i would.? Patrick On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 10:19?AM jontathan samways via <jonathansamways=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Help Ripping - just got my first sliding table saw. Felder k700s
Ok, so if you're talking face frames, then do as Mac suggests (& i stated in my other post). Rip over size and dress. I will assume your material is 4/4? Rip first, dress second. You can also rough cut material into shorter lengths, cutting your longest lengths from the straightest pieces. This of course will be more time consuming, but may be necessary if you material is less than ideal in its straightness. The problem you may run into depending on the species, and how it has been dried, is the stresses in the board might result in very bent pieces after ripping them down in size. This can vary from one board to another, and from one batch to another. Based on how much each board moves, you might need to make a wider rip, so you can get a straight edge on the jointer. Next joint the face, then the edge of each board. They are now ready to run through the thickness planer to get them perfectly parallel in width and thickness and exactly to the required size. Being face frames, some amount of bowing might be acceptable, in which case, you might be better off dressing all the material in the longest lengths possible, and then cutting to the required lengths. Remember, always cut your longest lengths first!!!
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Re: New Owner of K700S
Hey Dennis:
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Just a few comments/thoughts as relatively recently went through the same process:
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1.? Do invest in a narrow pallet jack as it will make life easier when just moving the main and slider arm shipping crates around the shop, and when taking the slider off the crate.? Buy or borrow one.
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2.? Keep it simple and don't overthink (like I did) getting the slider off the pallet - build a ramp and use the pallet jack to roll it down.? I did this by myself and was much easier than expected.? Moving the main body of the saw? ? ? around is easy with the pallet jack but becomes VERY tricky and will lean once the slider arm is attached so get the body in its the final location otherwise it will be a PITA to move once the arm is installed.??
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3.? I have yet to purchase the Lamb Tool and Mac's Clamps as wanted to learn the basics and get used to the saw itself before introducing other appliances and learning curves.? Am close though ;).
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4.? I will be making the FF jig on my own and feel it is a requirement for a slider.
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5.? Do think about getting the saw commissioned by Felder - I eventually did for all my equipment and it proved worthwhile to get the equipment dialed in.
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6.? You will need good clamps and finally pulled the trigger on the new Harvey clamps.? The ones by Felder IMHO are bulky and not as user friendly.
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Kamal Patel
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Re: How do I make this molding
Imran , I presume you didn’t have CNC. I don’t and this is how I would attack it …..first shape the length of moulding to required shape. I would then make a jig for the router, you would need to cut in from 2 directions to get rid of the round shape of the router cutter. Finish the inside of the cut/hole with chisel. Last job is the cut the division…….These type of moulding are fun especially if you see the internal and external miters and want all the segments the same size. Always start fitting with a full segment on the external mitres and hope the external mitre works out ok Kindest Regards Jonathan Samways Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial. Si no es vd.el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la utilización, divulgación y/o copia sin autorización está prohibida en virtud de la legislación vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y proceda a su destrucción. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by professional privilege.If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If this message has been received in error, please immediately notify us via e-mail and delete it. On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 at 14:34, imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Bowmouldmaster Install Issue
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On Oct 27, 2024, at 10:53?PM, Imran Malik <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Done! <image0.jpeg> Imran Malik On Oct 27, 2024, at 10:34?AM, Imran Malik <imranindiana@...> wrote: ?Hi David, Thanks for the reference. It never fails, I looked through the index (obviously not carefully enough) and the section 7 in survival guide before asking the question. Completely missed the installation provided in Section 10 ??♂? The great survival guide has all the answers if you are smart enough to look carefully. I will report if the webbing is any different than survival guide on my 2002 KF700. Imran Malik On Oct 27, 2024, at 10:11?AM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote: ?Imran - from page 226 in the Survival Guide - ?this would be for ?KF700, but the F700 is similar. ?Trunion bolts only exist on pre-X-Roll type machines which I believe is what you have. ?Check the webbing positions on the underside of the cast iron top before drilling - you don’t want to drill into the webs : <BowmouldMaster.jpg> If you plan on using tooling with the BowmouldMaster in conjunction with the sliding table and a crosscut fence, then I would not recommend rotating the template. ?Better to drill two sets if necessary to get the full position flexibility of the hood. ?I often use the BowmouldMaster with counter-profile tooling and a crosscut fence because the dust extraction is so much better with that hood. ? David Best DBestWorkshop@... https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/ https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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Re: Help Ripping - just got my first sliding table saw. Felder k700s
I use the same method as Imran. John love you Gizmo! thanks for sharing. On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 at 12:33, DanielD via <dan=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Help Ripping - just got my first sliding table saw. Felder k700s
Hullo all- very informative thread, thanks to all the contributors! I learn a lot here.
I recall one member posting that they precisely cut a square of MDF, set it against the left fence, and now you have a registration surface for ripping narrower pieces. (Can clamp the mdf to the outrigger so it doesn’t shift). I made one of 3/4”, 500mm square, so I can use the flip stop to set rip width by adding 500. Works really well and as long as the two ‘good’ sides touch nothing else, has stayed true for a lot of use. Costs nothing :-)
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Re: New to me RL200
Hi all,
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I recently got second hand RL200 too and yes, it warms up a bit, but probably like you Bryce, here in the UK we are heading for winter months, so it will be a good workshop heater ?
It's a good question, how much is too much….
?I suppose, might ask the previous owner if he noticed that too.?
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Re: Help Ripping - just got my first sliding table saw. Felder k700s
开云体育For Lucky’s overhang method, I just use a block of wood with a pencil mark indicating the cut line. Push block against end of the slider and at least cover the pencil line with material being cut. Quick and easy.I also installed an overhead laser to assist with the first rip on rough lumber. It used to be overhead on my KF700 and worked great but it is on the wall perpendicular to the saw now for my K975. It is not in line so it casts an oblique line. This means it only works if it is calibrated with same thickness as the mattering cut. On my list of things to fix. Imran Malik On Oct 28, 2024, at 8:58?PM, David Luckensmeyer via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
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Hi John: ? You make good points about both the use of a bandsaw and thicknessing on edge. And with regard to the slightly ‘out of square’ issue. It is very minor like you say, but enough to notice. When it matters (e.g. for gluing up, joinery work, kumiko, etc.) I will always make two rip cuts. The first cut is slightly wide, and the second cut for that perfect rip where the material does not ride up on the slider. ? (Yes, yes, I know this is hard on the blade and is probably a bad habit. But it works for me.) ? There is another technique that I’m not sure has been mentioned much on FOG. I sometimes parallel rip on the slider without a parallel fence by measuring the overhang of material. Here are the steps: ?
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[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> Another method for ripping is skipping the circular saw, ripping to slightly over width on a band saw, and running the boards on edge through a thicknesser. That idea has been presented in this group before, so I do not take credit for it. I struggled with that idea until I acquired a band saw that would make clean and straight cuts. ? Once a board is flat and uniformly thick, I will joint one edge and rip a piece off the edge. If ripping several pieces from one board, I just keep jointing and ripping until done. ? When my saw was new and I was still trying to use it like a cabinet saw, I found that the slight difference in elevation between the cast iron and the slider was enough to throw the cut edge out of square. Not by much, but by enough to be noticeable in some cases. -- John Hinman |
Re: Help Ripping - just got my first sliding table saw. Felder k700s
开云体育Hi David: ? I’m pleased there was something helpful in there. ? I’m guilty of not even thinking about sheet goods, and yes, I do use primarily solid wood. Bryce makes the excellent point about straight line ripping which is important of course. ? Your question about width is important, and it relates to length as well. I’m quite happy to rip short stock (up to 1200mm long) on the right side of the blade up to 300mm or even a bit more. But at some point there is a change-over: ?
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? Examples: ? Cutting larger sheets of processed material are nearly always done on the left side of the blade. Material is more often wide enough to register against the cross cut fence. The exception comes for ripping smaller dimensions (less than 300mm) which I almost always do on the right side. For short, narrow dimensions, I tend to switch to the right side, unless there’s a lot of repetition, in which case setting up for parallel ripping is worth the effort. ? Long stock, 2m and longer, I would never rip conventionally, unless it is narrow and ‘floppy’ (like 50-100mm). Sure I can straight line rip the stock to get one side straight. But feeding such long stock manually cannot be done with ‘perfection’. There are inevitable pauses associated with manual feeding, and it is arguably impossible to keep such stock against a relatively short rip fence. The inevitability of a less-than-perfect rip cut becomes more ‘locked-in’ with longer material. ? Large glue-up sections are always done on the left side of the blade. When sizing a rectangular table or desk, work on the slider. Always. ? Sorry for any repetition in my many posts today. I’m procrastinating. Time to get back to work. Thanks everyone. ? Warm regards, Lucky ? From:
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Re: Help Ripping - just got my first sliding table saw. Felder k700s
开云体育Ha! John. Fantastic. That would get it close. Thanks for sharing. ? Warm regards, Lucky ? ? From:
[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> Kamal, ? One way to get parallel rips is to set the fence parallel to the cut and use it for a bump stop. Eventually your 12” board will be reduced in width to a point where you can no longer clamp it to the sliding table, though. ? For narrow rips you do not really need fancy parallel guides. Simply clamp scraps to the slider to serve as parallel guides. You’ll spend more time fiddling around getting them set correctly, but it sure works. ? Lucky, instead of measuring from the edge of the slider to see where the cut is I made a simple gizmo as shown. One stick fit to the slot, and a thin scrap of ply glued to it. Put it in the slot and trim it with your rip blade and you will know where the edge of the cut is. Precision is limited by slop in the strip in slider slot and by any variance in the slot itself, but it is really close. ? The hole lets me hang it on a magnetic hook on the side of the saw, handy for use. ? -- John Hinman |
Re: Help Ripping - just got my first sliding table saw. Felder k700s
开云体育Sounds good Mac. Your words sum it up well, especially ‘being skilled’ and ‘being damn careful’! ? Warm regards, Lucky ? ? From:
[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> So I’d recommend when ripping to set the fence to end at the back of the riving knife. Lay the fence on its low side.. Straight line one edge Stand next the the blade guard on slider edge and jam the stuff through ripping oversize take everything and size it thickness on the planer on edge. If your nervous use a push stick. If you’re skilled at it, you can use the slider to push the stuff through, but be damn careful that you don’t get anything trapped. Mac,, ? martin/campshure/co/llc Designing and building for 50 years
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Re: Help Ripping - just got my first sliding table saw. Felder k700s
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One way to get parallel rips is to set the fence parallel to the cut and use it for a bump stop. Eventually your 12” board will be reduced in width to a point where you can no longer clamp it to the sliding table, though.
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For narrow rips you do not really need fancy parallel guides. Simply clamp scraps to the slider to serve as parallel guides. You’ll spend more time fiddling around getting them set correctly, but it sure works.
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Lucky, instead of measuring from the edge of the slider to see where the cut is I made a simple gizmo as shown. One stick fit to the slot, and a thin scrap of ply glued to it. Put it in the slot and trim it with your rip blade and you will know where the edge of the cut is. Precision is limited by slop in the strip in slider slot and by any variance in the slot itself, but it is really close.
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The hole lets me hang it on a magnetic hook on the side of the saw, handy for use.
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