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Re: Problem with greasing the spindles on F700 #shaper

 

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I have all 3 spindles and the felder gun (same as in your picture). I don¡¯t recall the gun nozzle being wider than the slot. I had trouble greasing with the gun and IIRC, David K. shared that it is easier to grease if you remove the grease zero. That is what I do now. I know that does not answer your question. Can you take a pic of the nozzle interfering with the slot? Maybe felder sent the wrong end for the nozzle.

I can also shoot you a pic when I am in the shop later.

Imran Malik

On Oct 9, 2024, at 8:30?AM, HenrikJ via groups.io <henrik@...> wrote:

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Hi. New here and starting with a question that Felder here in Sweden has not managed to answer. I need to grease the bearings on my spindles for a 2011 F700.
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I can access the upper bearing with the grease gun I bought from Felder. The lower one sits under an opening that is narrower than the nozzle of the grease gun. A bit annoying, of course, that their own grease gun doesn't fit, but the problem is that I can't find another one to buy with such a narrow cone shaped nozzle as needed. The same problem with the high speed spindle and the "normal".?
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How are you others doing? Have you found a narrower nozzle, are you dismantling the spindle or what?
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Felder's own service technicians have no answer and the manual tells me to grease them every month.
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sliding table saw: parallel fence vs 2nd crosscut fence? #k700s

 

Hey all, I've been lurking here for a while, and have been appreciating the collective wisdom on offer here.? I may be placing an order for a Felder K700S table saw, and am contemplating which accessories to order.? I'm curious to hear people's thoughts about the parallel fence, versus a secondary crosscut fence.? It seems to me that a crosscut fence has a flip down stop that can be used to align the far end of a long piece, just the way one would use a parallel fence.? But I've never actually owned a parallel fence before.? Is there something about the parallel fence that makes a crosscut fence not be a good substitute?? I feel like a crosscut fence at the front end of the sliding table is more widely useful than a parallel fence, but I'm probably missing something.


Problem with greasing the spindles on F700 #shaper

 

Hi. New here and starting with a question that Felder here in Sweden has not managed to answer. I need to grease the bearings on my spindles for a 2011 F700.
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I can access the upper bearing with the grease gun I bought from Felder. The lower one sits under an opening that is narrower than the nozzle of the grease gun. A bit annoying, of course, that their own grease gun doesn't fit, but the problem is that I can't find another one to buy with such a narrow cone shaped nozzle as needed. The same problem with the high speed spindle and the "normal".?
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How are you others doing? Have you found a narrower nozzle, are you dismantling the spindle or what?
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Felder's own service technicians have no answer and the manual tells me to grease them every month.
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Re: Shaper Spindle Question

 

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We¡¯re We¡¯re talking about sliding tables that are mounted to the side of the machine and could up or down or parallel for that matter

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

Designing and building for 50 years


On Oct 8, 2024, at 11:08?AM, Brian Lamb via groups.io <blamb11@...> wrote:

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By definition, any sliding table going past a vertical spindle will give you a straight cut, so as long as your piece is set up square/parallel your results will be correct. This has more to do with the fences on the sliding table, not the actual sliding of the table.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
lambtoolworks.com


On Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 06:14:45 AM MST, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:


Albert interesting I was curious does the machine also calibrate the sliding table to run parallel with the cutters on the spindle?

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

Designing and building for 50 years


On Oct 8, 2024, at 12:44?AM, Albert Lee via groups.io <timbershelf@...> wrote:

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I like reading comments on questions like this, so I can learn a thing or two....
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Fortunately with my spindle moulder TI145EP there is auto calibrate function to a built in "true perpendicular" and relative fence positions.?
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I discovered this function while investigating why the tenon plate is cutting trapzoid rather than square - turn out the spindle was out by 0.9 deg.?
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by pressing auto calibrate the spindle will perform series of movement and then tells you certain parameter is out.?
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If the true perpendicular is out of whack it can be adjusted manually.?


Re: Shaper Spindle Question

 

By definition, any sliding table going past a vertical spindle will give you a straight cut, so as long as your piece is set up square/parallel your results will be correct. This has more to do with the fences on the sliding table, not the actual sliding of the table.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
lambtoolworks.com


On Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 06:14:45 AM MST, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:


Albert interesting I was curious does the machine also calibrate the sliding table to run parallel with the cutters on the spindle?

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

Designing and building for 50 years


On Oct 8, 2024, at 12:44?AM, Albert Lee via groups.io <timbershelf@...> wrote:

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I like reading comments on questions like this, so I can learn a thing or two....
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Fortunately with my spindle moulder TI145EP there is auto calibrate function to a built in "true perpendicular" and relative fence positions.?
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I discovered this function while investigating why the tenon plate is cutting trapzoid rather than square - turn out the spindle was out by 0.9 deg.?
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by pressing auto calibrate the spindle will perform series of movement and then tells you certain parameter is out.?
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If the true perpendicular is out of whack it can be adjusted manually.?


Re: Shaper Spindle Question

 

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Albert interesting I was curious does the machine also calibrate the sliding table to run parallel with the cutters on the spindle?

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

Designing and building for 50 years


On Oct 8, 2024, at 12:44?AM, Albert Lee via groups.io <timbershelf@...> wrote:

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I like reading comments on questions like this, so I can learn a thing or two....
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Fortunately with my spindle moulder TI145EP there is auto calibrate function to a built in "true perpendicular" and relative fence positions.?
?
I discovered this function while investigating why the tenon plate is cutting trapzoid rather than square - turn out the spindle was out by 0.9 deg.?
?
by pressing auto calibrate the spindle will perform series of movement and then tells you certain parameter is out.?
?
If the true perpendicular is out of whack it can be adjusted manually.?


Re: Shaper Spindle Question

 

I like reading comments on questions like this, so I can learn a thing or two....
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Fortunately with my spindle moulder TI145EP there is auto calibrate function to a built in "true perpendicular" and relative fence positions.?
?
I discovered this function while investigating why the tenon plate is cutting trapzoid rather than square - turn out the spindle was out by 0.9 deg.?
?
by pressing auto calibrate the spindle will perform series of movement and then tells you certain parameter is out.?
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If the true perpendicular is out of whack it can be adjusted manually.?


Re: Shaper Spindle Question

 

My thoughts are:
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MEH
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It is ok
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PK


Re: BF6-31 - planer infeed and outfeed roller adjustment

 

Thank you, Mac and Imran. ?You have given me exactly what I needed to know. Much obliged.


Re: Shaper Spindle Question

 

PK,

Did you get the Banggood digital height gauge? any feedback on it?


Re: What is the best dust extractor for portable tools?

 

Hi Jason,?
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For that Makita vac, if the mode selector is set to the "11 o'clock" position it should disable the filter cleaning.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN


Re: BF6-31 - planer infeed and outfeed roller adjustment

 

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?Bill so in short?
One block for either side
Cut 2 -3 7/8¡± hard wood blocks ?for underneath the feed roller.
Cut 2 - 4¡± hardwood blocks to touch up on the plane night Cutting circle.
?Cut 2. -3 15/16¡± hardwood blocks for underneath the so-called pressure bar.
Rubber thingy joke.
Mac,,

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

Designing and building for 50 years


On Oct 6, 2024, at 8:00?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Hi Bill,

I am out of town so don¡¯t have access to my notes. I will need to read your msg a few times with no distractions to understand what you are after but The main thing you need to know is the relative distance between the roller and cutterhead. I would not worry about the variation with each, the cutter head and the roller. You can verify these individually. My cutterhead is +/- 0.001¡±. I have never measured the roller but it should be close but likely not as tight a tolerance. Eitherway, just ask felder what the relative difference should be, unless composts here. I only check the height at each end and the middle from the planer bed.

Sorry if this is not what you are after.

Imran Malik

On Oct 6, 2024, at 3:59?AM, Bill Webb via groups.io <wawebb1@...> wrote:

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I have learned a lot by following?questions and responses in this group over the?last few years, and I now?have a question of my?own. ? I am working on adjusting and setting up a BF6-31, and with the help of David Best's Survival Guides I have made good progress.? I just replaced the bearings on the cutterhead, ?the infeed roller, and the outfeed roller, ?and I now want to set the lowermost position of both rollers in a rest state, with nothing touching the?underside of the rollers other than a dial caliper.? My plan is to use a Oneway gauge to measure the height from the planer table to the lowest point on the cutterhead, and then to adjust?each side of each roller?to make the lowest point of each roller parallel to the lowest point of the cutterhead at each side. ?

My problem is that I do not know whether to adjust the rollers to make the height of the lowest point of the roller to be equal to the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead, or greater or less than the height of the lowest point of the?cutterhead by a distance x.? To be specific, I am trying to find out what value I should use for x: x=0 (the height of the lowest part of the roller is equal to the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead), x=some positive number?(the height of the lowest part of the roller is greater than the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead), or?x=some negative number (the height of the lowest part of the roller is less than the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead).? It may be that the value of x is different for the two rollers.

I would appreciate any thoughts as to what is the best value of x to use in adjusting the infeed and outfeed rollers.? Thanks for any help you can give me.

Bill Webb


Re: What is the best dust extractor for portable tools?

 

We had a central vacuum system in our house with outlets in each room.? We didn't use it so I moved power unit to the shop.? (My wife never noticed.)? I added a small cyclone separator mounted on a 10 gallon plastic barrel in front of the bag canister. I plumbed 1.5" pvc to pick up stations mounted several places in the shop like the chop saw, grinding stations, above benches and where I vacuum out my autos.
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I don't know the motor size but it's a lot better than my shop vac.? The inlets are all wall and overhead mount so no cords or power unit to drag around and no floor space used.? The cyclone works so well that I have never emptied the paper filter catch bag.? It's old and mainly steel parts so no plastic to age out.? The system is only good for dust and smaller particles.? There are lots of online sources for components.?Costs might competitive with the green plastic machines. ?BTW, I have a separate AF22 high volume, low pressure 5" duct dust collector for the saw and planer.? Both this and the central vac are mounted together outside the shop.??
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Re: What is the best dust extractor for portable tools?

 

I switched from Festool to a Mirka extractor when I upgraded to their Deros sander. It's a Nilfisk built vac I believe. It is big and bulky, but it does the job well. I got tired of replacing parts on my CT mini that I'd had for 10 years or so.?

A couple of people in my shop have new Makita vacs that I think are also built by Nilfisk. They have Auto cleaned filter feature that is so obnoxious it drives me bonkers. I measured it at 20 ft away at 89 decibels. And it does it like every 20 seconds while you're running the vacuum. So annoying and unnecessary I think the mirka and the Nilfisk Aero I've used just have a manual clean button.?

Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765

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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406


Re: What is the best dust extractor for portable tools?

 

Hi PK,?
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Sorry I'm late to conversation, I was working on-site yesterday.?
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As has already been discussed, the Festool CT-22/33 were very nice vacuums, I suspect there's a crack somewhere which is compromising performance.
-- Interestingly, while the CT-26/26/48 have some improved creature comforts, the electronics package in the 22/33 seem to be more robust, as evidenced by the raft of fried control boards when users shifted their Oneida Dust Deputy cyclones from the older vacs to the 26/36/48 when they were released.?
-- The Festool 26/36/48 have the greatest variety of accessories available in terms of work station, boom arm, etc..., so they might end up being the best option for a mobile sanding station.?
-- The 26 can fill quickly if you're performing a lot of routing operations, though it's probably the best suited for taking on-site.?
-- The 36 is a decent all-rounder, and probably the best bet for shop-based work.?
-- The 48 has the best value proposition in terms of volume, but I've heard the bags can be quite heavy/dense when filled, particularly with sanding dust.?
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The Nilfisk Attix 33/44 are great vacs. I'm running a Attix 44 as my "shop" vacuum. A few notes:
-- It's important to note that the Nilfisk (and most of the re-brands) ship with a 32mm hose, which is a great all-rounder but probably overkill for sanders, and you'd likely want to order a 27mm hose for your sanders.?
-- Mirka offers a "work station" which clips to the top of the Nilfisk vacs, which provides you with a location to hang sanders, hoses, and accessories. Great for a mobile sanding station.
-- The Attix 33/44 utilize a a two- or three- stage filtration system. At a minimum, they utilize a HEPA filter encased in a plastic shroud, a separate pre-filter, and utilizing a fleece liner bag serves as a third stage. The advantage of this system is that the pre-filter is relatively inexpensive, and allows you to change it out multiple times before you'd eventually need to service the HEPA filter. This is particularly relevant when performing more "construction"-type work where you're extracting drywall, concrete, plaster, or other cementitious dust, where you benefit from an automatic filter cleaning mechanism on the pre-filter, while still getting the benefit of the HEPA protection. In contrast, if you opt for one of the Auto-Clean Festool vacs, you give up the HEPA filter.?
-- Hoses are forward/backward compatible with Festool.?
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Perhaps somewhat less optimized for Shop work but still worthy of mention are the Starmix iPulse vacuums, arguably the best portable extractors on the market.
-- These vacs are produced by Starmix in Germany, and re-branded through a variety of other German companies such as Mafell, Metabo, Rokamat, and several others.
-- Hoses are forward/backward compatible with Festool.?
-- I have a and a Metabo vac, both of which have seen extensive on-site service.
-- The Mafell is my "daily driver" and lives in the van, I keep it setup with sleeve liner bags for general use.?
-- The Metabo is setup for cementitious dust extraction, including drywall sanding, concrete/stucco cutting, concrete grinding, breaking, etc.... I keep this vac set up with the poly liner bags.?
-- Scope of delivery varies widely, so makes sure you're looking to see whether you're getting HEPA filters, anti-static hoses, etc....?
-- One advantage of the Starmix iPulse vacs is that they have an internal sensor which measures airflow, and only pulse/clean the filters when airflow drops below a set value. This compares favorably to most of the other vacs with an auto clean function which usually activates every ~15 seconds or so, whether it's necessary or not, which can get old if you're running it for hours on end and have to listen to it pulse every 15 seconds......?
-- One down side of the Starmix vacs is that when they do pulse, it's a rapid pulsing of one filter, then the other. It's fine if you're accustomed to it, but it can be starting for clients the first time they hear it. In 2017 I had the opportunity to visit the Mafell factory in Germany, which has Heckler and Koch as a neighbor. The Mafell trainer joked that "we never use our vacuums outdoors, for fear that our neighbors will shoot back!". Let it never be said the Germans don't have a sense of humor.?
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I'll leave you with some great videos showing some torture tests of the iPulse vacuums, there's over a dozen but these are some of my favorites:?
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Bier Fest: ?
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Der Bauernhof: ?
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Der Allesauger Teil 2: ?
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Der Saugkraft Test: ?
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There are plenty more videos of hitting the vac with a sledgehammer, dropping metal debris on it, dragging behind a car, etc.... Love that music!?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN


Re: BF6-31 - planer infeed and outfeed roller adjustment

 

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Hi Bill,

I am out of town so don¡¯t have access to my notes. I will need to read your msg a few times with no distractions to understand what you are after but The main thing you need to know is the relative distance between the roller and cutterhead. I would not worry about the variation with each, the cutter head and the roller. You can verify these individually. My cutterhead is +/- 0.001¡±. I have never measured the roller but it should be close but likely not as tight a tolerance. Eitherway, just ask felder what the relative difference should be, unless composts here. I only check the height at each end and the middle from the planer bed.

Sorry if this is not what you are after.

Imran Malik

On Oct 6, 2024, at 3:59?AM, Bill Webb via groups.io <wawebb1@...> wrote:

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I have learned a lot by following?questions and responses in this group over the?last few years, and I now?have a question of my?own. ? I am working on adjusting and setting up a BF6-31, and with the help of David Best's Survival Guides I have made good progress.? I just replaced the bearings on the cutterhead, ?the infeed roller, and the outfeed roller, ?and I now want to set the lowermost position of both rollers in a rest state, with nothing touching the?underside of the rollers other than a dial caliper.? My plan is to use a Oneway gauge to measure the height from the planer table to the lowest point on the cutterhead, and then to adjust?each side of each roller?to make the lowest point of each roller parallel to the lowest point of the cutterhead at each side. ?

My problem is that I do not know whether to adjust the rollers to make the height of the lowest point of the roller to be equal to the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead, or greater or less than the height of the lowest point of the?cutterhead by a distance x.? To be specific, I am trying to find out what value I should use for x: x=0 (the height of the lowest part of the roller is equal to the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead), x=some positive number?(the height of the lowest part of the roller is greater than the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead), or?x=some negative number (the height of the lowest part of the roller is less than the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead).? It may be that the value of x is different for the two rollers.

I would appreciate any thoughts as to what is the best value of x to use in adjusting the infeed and outfeed rollers.? Thanks for any help you can give me.

Bill Webb


Re: BF6-31 - planer infeed and outfeed roller adjustment

 

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Bill when I was a young buck I totally rebuilt one of these 40 inch bus planers we¡¯re talking board out the sides of the casting for new bushings machine rollers built a new sectional and feed roller playing the tables on and on and on so I can tell you that this information is quite reliable I use it for set up for like 631 single sided surfers so on.
I consider this crying the holy Grail.
Mac,,









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martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

Designing and building for 50 years


On Oct 6, 2024, at 2:59?AM, Bill Webb via groups.io <wawebb1@...> wrote:

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I have learned a lot by following?questions and responses in this group over the?last few years, and I now?have a question of my?own. ? I am working on adjusting and setting up a BF6-31, and with the help of David Best's Survival Guides I have made good progress.? I just replaced the bearings on the cutterhead, ?the infeed roller, and the outfeed roller, ?and I now want to set the lowermost position of both rollers in a rest state, with nothing touching the?underside of the rollers other than a dial caliper.? My plan is to use a Oneway gauge to measure the height from the planer table to the lowest point on the cutterhead, and then to adjust?each side of each roller?to make the lowest point of each roller parallel to the lowest point of the cutterhead at each side. ?

My problem is that I do not know whether to adjust the rollers to make the height of the lowest point of the roller to be equal to the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead, or greater or less than the height of the lowest point of the?cutterhead by a distance x.? To be specific, I am trying to find out what value I should use for x: x=0 (the height of the lowest part of the roller is equal to the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead), x=some positive number?(the height of the lowest part of the roller is greater than the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead), or?x=some negative number (the height of the lowest part of the roller is less than the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead).? It may be that the value of x is different for the two rollers.

I would appreciate any thoughts as to what is the best value of x to use in adjusting the infeed and outfeed rollers.? Thanks for any help you can give me.

Bill Webb


BF6-31 - planer infeed and outfeed roller adjustment

 

I have learned a lot by following?questions and responses in this group over the?last few years, and I now?have a question of my?own. ? I am working on adjusting and setting up a BF6-31, and with the help of David Best's Survival Guides I have made good progress.? I just replaced the bearings on the cutterhead, ?the infeed roller, and the outfeed roller, ?and I now want to set the lowermost position of both rollers in a rest state, with nothing touching the?underside of the rollers other than a dial caliper.? My plan is to use a Oneway gauge to measure the height from the planer table to the lowest point on the cutterhead, and then to adjust?each side of each roller?to make the lowest point of each roller parallel to the lowest point of the cutterhead at each side. ?

My problem is that I do not know whether to adjust the rollers to make the height of the lowest point of the roller to be equal to the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead, or greater or less than the height of the lowest point of the?cutterhead by a distance x.? To be specific, I am trying to find out what value I should use for x: x=0 (the height of the lowest part of the roller is equal to the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead), x=some positive number?(the height of the lowest part of the roller is greater than the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead), or?x=some negative number (the height of the lowest part of the roller is less than the height of the lowest point of the cutterhead).? It may be that the value of x is different for the two rollers.

I would appreciate any thoughts as to what is the best value of x to use in adjusting the infeed and outfeed rollers.? Thanks for any help you can give me.

Bill Webb


Re: What is the best dust extractor for portable tools?

 

One thing to note about the Hilti units is that they DO NOT have speed control so they would not do well for stuff like random orbit sanders.
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-Aaron


Re: What is the best dust extractor for portable tools?

 
Edited

Looks like PK solved his problem.?
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I did a deep dive on dust extractors a couple years ago before I got my Festool CT48 [edit].? Nilfisk is a good manufacturer that produces a lot of different vacuums.? They also are OEM for many other manufacturers (Milwaukee, Makita, Flex VCE, etc.).? There are two models that are more common in our level of dust extractors.
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The previous generation Makita was an OEM of the Nilfisk ATTIX 30.? This unit has two large main filters for the vacuum (shown below).
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Essentially, it has twice as much filter area than the Festool CT extractors.? I believe this is why the this design performed so well in the Toolbuzz comparison test (very close to the best units from Festool/Hilti):
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The new generation Makita extractor as well as many others (such as Milwaukee, etc.) are now appearing to use the OEM version of Nilfisk ATTIX 33/44.? This unit has a main filter about the same size of the Festool but also a secondary HEPA filter section.? I think this is why these units are not performing as well as the Festool/Hilti (especially with a bag that is partially full).? I can see the value of this design if you are working with lung hazardous stuff like drywall sanding.
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For woodworking sanding, I don't think you really need this 2-stage filter system for hazardous fines (although that is my personal opinion after using the Festool CT).? The Festool/Hilti units appeared to perform the best with regards to airflow and suction under heavy bag load.
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I did test out the latest Makita/ATTIX44 and the suction was not quite as powerful as the Festool.? The Makita/ATTIX44 also had a higher pitched sound that was not quite as comfortable to work with.? The lower tone of the Festool was easier to deal with even though the decibel level may have been a bit higher.
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-Aaron