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Felder Bf6-31 compact. Motor brake gone pop
Hi all, it¡¯s a first post on this forum for me. I have the above machine and have enjoyed using it for quite a few years. It¡¯s 25 years old, single phase, built like a tank and is a great tool, but it¡¯s suddenly developed an issue with the braking system. The normal noise when braking was amplified and didn¡¯t stop until it had tripped the rcd. I¡¯d be interested to hear from anyone that may have knowledge of this kind of problem or perhaps experienced the same thing please ?
?Thanks,
Alex
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Try this, it¡¯s called Moen Flo. My daughter works in the remodeling industry and they install quite a few of these, especially for people that don¡¯t live full time at the property. It detects any unusual amount of water Flo and shuts off your main supply, then notifies you by phone of what is going on.
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Brian Lamb
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www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Jan 23, 2024, at 1:40?AM, david.r.milson@... wrote:
Hi Bob
Terrible news.? Thanks for the warning.
Hi Brian
Clicking on the Lowes link, I get an "access denied"
Cheers
David
Re: Positive experience with Felder Support
Wade, it sounds ridiculous that you have to do that kind of troubleshooting.? The squeaky wheel gets the oil,? have you tried elevating things at Felder?? I would think they would NOT want you to take electronics apart?!
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Re: Positive experience with Felder Support
Hi All,
I likewise have had an excellent experience with Jonathan at Felder Service/spares in the U.K. I purchased my K700p pre owned (used in education?) and had several question which he dealt with professionally and efficiently. He established a few bits were missing and a few bits ad been swapped from another machine and was not only able to get these ordered from Germany, they went to HO first as shipping from them was only ?10 instead of much more if they came direct. Not sure what more I could have asked for. Can¡¯t vouch for the rest of the U.K. office but I would definitely look for a Felder when buying again, especially if pre owned.
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Hi Bob
Terrible news.? Thanks for the warning.
Hi Brian
Clicking on the Lowes link, I get an "access denied"
Cheers
David
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Hi Netanel
Lots of good points have been made here, but from your initial post I am unsure what length slider you are going after. My only suggestion would be to get the longest slider you can fit in your workshop.
My original slider was long enough (just) to rip an 8' long sheet of ply or MDF (most likely the 110" table).? Having upgraded to a longer table 3.2M (about 125") I find it so much easier managing those 8' long boards up and onto the slider as well as having more track to move the clamps.? It is also more convenient ripping long slabs etc.
Cheers
David
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Re: Positive experience with Felder Support
KRPatel,
I¡¯m in the middle of a troubleshooting session right now and it took the third tech to finally get a grasp on it (I hope!).? This tech has me taking multiple things apart and the whole time I¡¯m thinking should I be doing this. ?I know nothing about the saw¡¯s electronics. ?Very intimidating, because I don¡¯t want to screw other things up too. ?He had me take an 18v battery from my cordless drill with two short pieces of wire. ?Shove one into each of the positive and negative slots. ?Then open the electrical connection to the lift motor and start touching the terminals contacts to move my arbor up and down. ?Very uncomfortable with this. ?Now I have my power drive display completely taken apart and I¡¯m testing individual switches.? Which has million wires going to each of them. ?I have to label each wire from each switch and take pictures before taking the wires out. ?Just so I know how it all goes back together. ?This is a big PITA!!!
Saw is under warranty, why aren¡¯t they sending someone out?! ?
Wade
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On Jan 22, 2024, at 5:37?PM, KRPatel via groups.io <kamalsonal@...> wrote:
?Wade, agree it is tech dependent.? Generally overall I have been satisfied with support albeit my issues were fairly basic (missing parts, questions on setup, etc) and the support and followup was quite good.
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Re: Positive experience with Felder Support
Wade, agree it is tech dependent.? Generally overall I have been satisfied with support albeit my issues were fairly basic (missing parts, questions on setup, etc) and the support and followup was quite good.
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
I¡¯m thinking about the filter shaker also. I have to take my filter outside to clean it periodically, and that is not a pleasant task. I planned to do it first thing this morning, but it was raining so I had to postpone cleaning it.
It seems to be the sanding dust that really clogs the filter.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
After reading all this commentary, I am so glad I live in SE Queensland Australia. I exhaust my dust extractor outside and rarely have the windows and doors shut in the shed. If required I then use a fan to keep cool. Happy woodworking?
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On 23 Jan 2024, at 10:45?am, Andy <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:
? Hey Alex I agree. There is only so much that can be done with current technology it seems, I wear a respirator in the shop when cutting and sanding in addition to an Oneida DC.? On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 7:01?PM Alex Bowlds < aabj@...> wrote: I too have an older Oneida 3hp dust collector with a large filter that exhausts into the shop to preserve the conditioned air.? It works great for all my tools includng the AD951 with straight knives, the KF700SP, and the F700Z.? Where it falls short is with the Timesaver wide belt and the horizontal sander.? I find the filter clogs up with the fine dust.? Thougjh I have no experience with the equipment, it appears the Harvey dust collectors may do a better job of separating fine dust from the air stream before it reaches the filters.? If fine dust is clogging your filters, their dust separation equipment may be a viable option.
?Air quality in my shop is monitored constantly via the Grit automation system. The large JET air filtration system hangs from the 16¡¯ ceiling at about the 9¡¯ level.? I have a 14¡¯ diameter Big Ass Fan constantly operating at a slow speed to keep the air temp at the ceiling close to the air temp at the floor.? It also helps the air circulating so that the air quality monitor functions more reliably.? The Grit Automation system turns on the air filtration system automatically whenever it detects a rise in particulates above a threshold level.
I¡¯m waiting for Grit to come up with a reliable bin monitor that will let me know when to empty the dust collection drum.? I am also watching the FOG thread that has been talking about vibrating mechanisms that cause the fine dust to separate from the filter and drop into the collection bin.?
There doesn¡¯t appear to be a perfect solution to chip and fine dust collection while maintaining conditioned air and keeping fine particulates below unsafe levels.
That¡¯s my two cents.
Have a wonderful week,
Alex
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
I also run a Jet overhead air filter whenever I'm working in the shop. I don't have an air particulate monitor, but I never notice any dust in my nose or throat.?
You guys are making me want to retrofit a pneumatic cylinder to my RL160. Anyone already done that and have a parts list? The cylinder should be easy, but what about a one-shot controller and reversing air valve?
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
I've got a 5hp Oneida super dust gorilla. Unfortunately I only have 8' ceilings in my garage so I had to go with a 35 gallon drum which fills up super fast. The dust bin monitor alarm thing that came with it also never worked properly so I don't even bother using it, and I'm constantly running over to the collector and checking the bin window when planing or drum sanding. This thing is also pretty loud, but I've never used any other DC so I have nothing to compare it to.
I've moved the dust collector 3 times so far around the shop and each time it was extremely difficult because of how top heavy and awkwardly shaped the thing is. I actually dropped it off of my manual stacker the last time and put a fairly large dent in the cyclone (hammered it out as best I could).
If I had to do it all over, I would have just saved up for an RL160 for my shop and it's limitations. Performance-wise, the 5hp gorilla does everything I need it to though.
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Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
Hey Alex I agree. There is only so much that can be done with current technology it seems, I wear a respirator in the shop when cutting and sanding in addition to an Oneida DC.?
On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 7:01?PM Alex Bowlds < aabj@...> wrote: I too have an older Oneida 3hp dust collector with a large filter that exhausts into the shop to preserve the conditioned air.? It works great for all my tools includng the AD951 with straight knives, the KF700SP, and the F700Z.? Where it falls short is with the Timesaver wide belt and the horizontal sander.? I find the filter clogs up with the fine dust.? Thougjh I have no experience with the equipment, it appears the Harvey dust collectors may do a better job of separating fine dust from the air stream before it reaches the filters.? If fine dust is clogging your filters, their dust separation equipment may be a viable option.
?Air quality in my shop is monitored constantly via the Grit automation system. The large JET air filtration system hangs from the 16¡¯ ceiling at about the 9¡¯ level.? I have a 14¡¯ diameter Big Ass Fan constantly operating at a slow speed to keep the air temp at the ceiling close to the air temp at the floor.? It also helps the air circulating so that the air quality monitor functions more reliably.? The Grit Automation system turns on the air filtration system automatically whenever it detects a rise in particulates above a threshold level.
I¡¯m waiting for Grit to come up with a reliable bin monitor that will let me know when to empty the dust collection drum.? I am also watching the FOG thread that has been talking about vibrating mechanisms that cause the fine dust to separate from the filter and drop into the collection bin.?
There doesn¡¯t appear to be a perfect solution to chip and fine dust collection while maintaining conditioned air and keeping fine particulates below unsafe levels.
That¡¯s my two cents.
Have a wonderful week,
Alex
> On Jan 21, 2024, at 9:05?PM, Joe Jensen <joe@...> wrote:
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Re: Felder dust collection vs cyclone
I too have an older Oneida 3hp dust collector with a large filter that exhausts into the shop to preserve the conditioned air. It works great for all my tools includng the AD951 with straight knives, the KF700SP, and the F700Z. Where it falls short is with the Timesaver wide belt and the horizontal sander. I find the filter clogs up with the fine dust. Thougjh I have no experience with the equipment, it appears the Harvey dust collectors may do a better job of separating fine dust from the air stream before it reaches the filters. If fine dust is clogging your filters, their dust separation equipment may be a viable option.
Air quality in my shop is monitored constantly via the Grit automation system. The large JET air filtration system hangs from the 16¡¯ ceiling at about the 9¡¯ level. I have a 14¡¯ diameter Big Ass Fan constantly operating at a slow speed to keep the air temp at the ceiling close to the air temp at the floor. It also helps the air circulating so that the air quality monitor functions more reliably. The Grit Automation system turns on the air filtration system automatically whenever it detects a rise in particulates above a threshold level.
I¡¯m waiting for Grit to come up with a reliable bin monitor that will let me know when to empty the dust collection drum. I am also watching the FOG thread that has been talking about vibrating mechanisms that cause the fine dust to separate from the filter and drop into the collection bin.
There doesn¡¯t appear to be a perfect solution to chip and fine dust collection while maintaining conditioned air and keeping fine particulates below unsafe levels.
That¡¯s my two cents.
Have a wonderful week,
Alex
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On Jan 21, 2024, at 9:05?PM, Joe Jensen <joe@...> wrote:
A friend and fellow FOG member is considering a move from an RL to an Oneida 5hp VFD collector. He has trouble with fine dust clogging the filters with his wide belt sander.
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Re: Felder Branded Machine Securement "Buttons"
Is this the "button" we are discussing?  The back end  Old one was black  Securing panel  SW
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Re: Positive experience with Felder Support
I guess it¡¯s all in who you get as a tech. I¡¯ve had the exact opposite experience with them. ?
Wade
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On Jan 22, 2024, at 12:33?PM, Steve Hubbard <hubbardsg@...> wrote:
?Saturday morning, I experienced a problem with the scoring unit on my c3-31. It was not an emergency, the saw still functioned properly. Rather than wait until Monday to place a call, I filled out the "Contact Customer Service" form, described the problem, requested a parts diagram, and asked for suggestions. My plan was call in a week or two if no one responded to my email. On Monday morning, at 8:43, I received an email from Ron Siebach with a link to 5 documents. While I was downloading those documents, my phone rang and it was Ron Siebach with suggestions. I cannot recall a more pleasnt experience with Customer Support - from any company. One of the documents was an instruction sheet explaining how to access the inside of the machine to change belts or lubricate the blade height mechanism. This topic has been discussed before on the forum. Perhaps these printed instructions will be useful to others. <dummyfile.0.part> Steve Hubbard
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Re: Positive experience with Felder Support
I have utilized Felder tech support half a dozen times.? Once was for a used Felder machine.? I have had very satisfactory experience with each occurrence.? My experience with another Euro manufacturer isn't anywhere near as good.? There are some horror stories shared here on FOG, so I count my lucky stars and wonder why the variation in customer experiences.??
SW
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This is great to hear Steve, I similarly had a great experience with my C3 31 brake controller board replacement. I had it identified via this forum but sourcing the diagrams, parts and replacement order etc was all sourced through Felder in Sydney NSW Australia, very knowledgeable and prompt to have it included in the next shipment over.
admittedly i don't have a heap of other experience with combo unit manufacturers but this is my second C3 31 and the aftermarket support is one of the reasons i'll stick with them.
Nathan
On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 7:33?AM Steve Hubbard < hubbardsg@...> wrote: Saturday morning, I experienced a problem with the scoring unit on my c3-31. It was not an emergency, the saw still functioned properly. Rather than wait until Monday to place a call, I filled out the "Contact Customer Service" form, described the problem, requested a parts diagram, and asked for suggestions. My plan was call in a week or two if no one responded to my email. On Monday morning, at 8:43, I received an email from Ron Siebach with a link to 5 documents. While I was downloading those documents, my phone rang and it was Ron Siebach with suggestions. I cannot recall a more pleasnt experience with Customer Support - from any company.
One of the documents was an instruction sheet explaining how to access the inside of the machine to change belts or lubricate the blade height mechanism. This topic has been discussed before on the forum. Perhaps these printed instructions will be useful to others.
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Steve Hubbard
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Re: Positive experience with Felder Support
This is great to hear Steve, I similarly had a great experience with my C3 31 brake controller board replacement. I had it identified via this forum but sourcing the diagrams, parts and replacement order etc was all sourced through Felder in Sydney NSW Australia, very knowledgeable and prompt to have it included in the next shipment over.
admittedly i don't have a heap of other experience with combo unit manufacturers but this is my second C3 31 and the aftermarket support is one of the reasons i'll stick with them.
Nathan
On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 7:33?AM Steve Hubbard < hubbardsg@...> wrote: Saturday morning, I experienced a problem with the scoring unit on my c3-31. It was not an emergency, the saw still functioned properly. Rather than wait until Monday to place a call, I filled out the "Contact Customer Service" form, described the problem, requested a parts diagram, and asked for suggestions. My plan was call in a week or two if no one responded to my email. On Monday morning, at 8:43, I received an email from Ron Siebach with a link to 5 documents. While I was downloading those documents, my phone rang and it was Ron Siebach with suggestions. I cannot recall a more pleasnt experience with Customer Support - from any company. One of the documents was an instruction sheet explaining how to access the inside of the machine to change belts or lubricate the blade height mechanism. This topic has been discussed before on the forum. Perhaps these printed instructions will be useful to others.  Steve Hubbard
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Positive experience with Felder Support
Saturday morning, I experienced a problem with the scoring unit on my c3-31. It was not an emergency, the saw still functioned properly. Rather than wait until Monday to place a call, I filled out the "Contact Customer Service" form, described the problem, requested a parts diagram, and asked for suggestions. My plan was call in a week or two if no one responded to my email. On Monday morning, at 8:43, I received an email from Ron Siebach with a link to 5 documents. While I was downloading those documents, my phone rang and it was Ron Siebach with suggestions. I cannot recall a more pleasnt experience with Customer Support - from any company. One of the documents was an instruction sheet explaining how to access the inside of the machine to change belts or lubricate the blade height mechanism. This topic has been discussed before on the forum. Perhaps these printed instructions will be useful to others.  Steve Hubbard
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Larry Long Neck
Mark Foster
Nathan D'Elboux