Re: Failed engine brake 220v single phase C3-31
Thanks everyone, very helpful. Felder HQ had no idea what board I had or if they would have a spare -for this 23 year old part- so the offer was to replace the entire assembly. There may be some value in that but also it's a lot of money. I have the wiring diagram and have unscrewed the brake board which is marked : Peter Electronic?30551.00250e, I have emailed that company.? There is a local electronic repair company that could look at this, they repair vintage equipment, but have a long lead time. I don't know if the machine will run with this removed or how to wire around it. There is no fuse. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Hey Ed I¡¯m in western Ma, not too far away. I¡¯ll send you a pm?
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On Jul 26, 2023, at 10:25 AM, Ed Mazuronis via groups.io <egmiii@...> wrote:
?Dan, where are you located? My Rangate 300 came in on Monday if you wanted to check it out. I¡¯m in central CT. It¡¯s a nice cart and will fit my needs well. It¡¯s very high quality, but I¡¯d strongly encourage you to evaluate the alternatives suggested here first. If they fit your needs, then you will be getting a lot more bang for your buck.
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Taylor - this cart looks interesting. Is the handle something that needs to be cut away or can you simply, as you said, throw it away.?
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 9:50 AM taylor donsker < tdonsker@...> wrote: [Edited Message Follows]
I dont know why people buy anything but this, just throw the handle away:
it uses air to lift it up, if you wanna pump it by foot go ahead. It is a tad heavy but is built like a tank.?
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Ed,
I actually picked a pre-configured bundle that they had ordered for the AWFS promotion and it is supposed to arrive around October this year.
Unfortunately it doesn't have the fence quick locks (at least I don't see it on the itemized quote), but it does have pretty much everything else that I would have picked for a custom build.
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Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
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Larry, I have the same machine sitting in the Felder warehouse in Delaware awaiting delivery. I¡¯d suggest adding the hood quick locks if you haven¡¯t already. Looks like lead times have improved. I order mine at IWF last year and it finally came in.
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Dan, where are you located? My Rangate 300 came in on Monday if you wanted to check it out. I¡¯m in central CT. It¡¯s a nice cart and will fit my needs well. It¡¯s very high quality, but I¡¯d strongly encourage you to evaluate the alternatives suggested here first. If they fit your needs, then you will be getting a lot more bang for your buck.
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
I dont know why people buy anything but this, just throw the handle away:
it uses air to lift it up, if you wanna pump it by foot go ahead. It is a tad heavy but is built like a tank.?
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Re: Miter gauge concept, Brian Lamb inspired.
It just tells me where the blade will run and so where the workpiece will be cut. I usually cut to a .5mm pencil line and where that line sits in the width of the laser shows how much of the line will be left after the cut. The alternative is to slide the workpiece forward and compare the line to the face of a saw tooth which is more accurate but more tedious so when I only need to be within .1" I just use the laser.?
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Re: Failed engine brake 220v single phase C3-31
I have a 2016 model C3 31 and had a faulty brake board which I replaced myself
I was quoted replacement cost of just the brake board and as the cables are all terminated with plugs I was able to swap it out myself to resolve the issue
I don¡¯t know what was faulty with my original board, it was most likely the ceramic fuse according to Felder but mine was fine. I¡¯ll post some pics of what the board looked like to see if you have a similar looking board in your model
Cheers
Nathan
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Hi Brian,
Did they say why the entire electronics need changing or what that actually means? Entire brake circuit or the whole machine?
I have seen some pics of Hammer brake boards trying to help other. The pics were not from top so I may be missing something however I did not see a programmable device. This is good news because if true the board can be repaired. There was also a fuse
to these 2 boards so that can be checked as well.
How long has it not been working. If you want to explore fixing it, contact me privately by clicking on ¡°reply to sender¡± at the bottom of the email.
On Jul 25, 2023, at 6:18 PM, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote:
?I know this has been discussed recently but despite searching I was unable to find a solution, so here I ask. A 23 year old C3-31 in which the blade takes 25 seconds to stop, with power to the machine and without- no difference. Felder says
I will need to replace the entire electronics at $500 to $800, Yikes. I can see the brake on the wiring diagram and in the machine, (3) ~#10awg black wires and (2) smaller red wires. Can anyone point me at a possible solution, or source of a replacement braking
device?
Thanks to all,
Brian(J)
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Re: Miter gauge concept, Brian Lamb inspired.
Interesting application for a laser. ?How do you benefit from this? ?I¡¯m curious.
Thx,
Wade
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On Jul 25, 2023, at 5:11 PM, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote:
?Yes. It easier to adjust than I thought it would be and holds it's position very well.
I like it.
https://tinyurl.com/yc5par74
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Re: Failed engine brake 220v single phase C3-31
Hi Brian,
Did they say why the entire electronics need changing or what that actually means? Entire brake circuit or the whole machine?
I have seen some pics of Hammer brake boards trying to help other. The pics were not from top so I may be missing something however I did not see a programmable device. This is good news because if true the board can be repaired. There was also a fuse to these 2 boards so that can be checked as well.
How long has it not been working. If you want to explore fixing it, contact me privately by clicking on ¡°reply to sender¡± at the bottom of the email.
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On Jul 25, 2023, at 6:18 PM, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote: ?I know this has been discussed recently but despite searching I was unable to find a solution, so here I ask. A 23 year old C3-31 in which the blade takes 25 seconds to stop, with power to the machine and without- no difference. Felder says I will need to replace the entire electronics at $500 to $800, Yikes. I can see the brake on the wiring diagram and in the machine, (3) ~#10awg black wires and (2) smaller red wires. Can anyone point me at a possible solution, or source of a replacement braking device?
Thanks to all,
Brian(J)
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Re: Miter gauge concept, Brian Lamb inspired.
Yes. It easier to adjust than I thought it would be and holds it's position very well.
I like it.
https://tinyurl.com/yc5par74
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Re: Miter gauge concept, Brian Lamb inspired.
Ibsenafshar,
Is that a red laser line on your slider?
Thx,
Wade
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On Jul 25, 2023, at 3:11 PM, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote:
?Unhappy with the results of attempting miters I made a new miter gauge based on Brian Lamb's square. Idea is that a design drawn in CAD and executed with a CNC machine might be very accurate, such that the relationship of pins against the slider might hold a 90 degree guide at a 45 degree angle to the saw blade. In addition any error might cancel out; one cut at 44 degrees might force the other cut to 46 degrees. With many other miter guides the error adds. In addition, the adjustable guide can be used to create unequal miters- for example a picture frame can have a 1" top, 2' sides, and a 3" bottom all mitered nicely without any measuring or math. I really enjoyed designing/making/using this and hope someone finds the concept interesting. <BLambMiter.jpg>
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Well.... I decided to pull the trigger on my first shaper. I made a post here not too long ago asking for thoughts on the Hammer f3 vs felder f700z, thinking I was going to make a decision to purchase a year from now. Perhaps I spent too much time reading this forum and seeing all of your awesome machines, so after a casual "informational discussion" with my Felder rep today, I decided to go ahead and buy a shaper configuration that was listed on the AWFS sale and is scheduled to arrive around October. Format4 Profil 45z X-Motion bundle:
- 13.5 HP 3 phase/230v motor
- 1 1/4" spindle with 140mm usable height (I suppose that it means it won't have the quick lock thing that comes with 30mm spindle... but I gather I can get one for this spindle size aftermarket if I want it)
- 1100mm crosscut fence
- Spindle lock from outside
- 550mm fence plates with the screw-on fingers
- Imperial scales. I would have preferred the standard metric scales but I doubt I'll be using any of the scales anyway, since I'll be able to do my adjustments in the x-motion system and switch between metric and imperial whenever I want right? (please correct me if I'm mistaken here)
I added on the following accessories with the purchase:
- Aigner integral finger fence
- 2x 500mm cast iron table extensions + couplings
- 1x eccentric clamp
- Tenoning plate
- Swing-away mount +? extended tube for power feeder
Needless to say, I stretched a bit far from the original Hammer f3 I was considering. In the end, my wife talked me into buying it now, instead of waiting for IWF 2024 sale, because she wants me to build some exterior doors for our home sooner rather than later. --
Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
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Larry, ? What did you buy? Dave Davies
I'm not attending but decided to spontaneously take advantage of a nice AWFS sale today. I'm extremely excited and will post more once the contracts get signed and it becomes official
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Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
-- Dave & Marie Davies
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Failed engine brake 220v single phase C3-31
I know this has been discussed recently but despite searching I was unable to find a solution, so here I ask. A 23 year old C3-31 in which the blade takes 25 seconds to stop, with power to the machine and without- no difference. Felder says I will need to replace the entire electronics at $500 to $800, Yikes. I can see the brake on the wiring diagram and in the machine, (3) ~#10awg black wires and (2) smaller red wires. Can anyone point me at a possible solution, or source of a replacement braking device?
Thanks to all,
Brian(J)
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Miter gauge concept, Brian Lamb inspired.
Unhappy with the results of attempting miters I made a new miter gauge based on Brian Lamb's square. Idea is that a design drawn in CAD and executed with a CNC machine might be very accurate, such that the relationship of pins against the slider might hold a 90 degree guide at a 45 degree angle to the saw blade. In addition any error might cancel out; one cut at 44 degrees might force the other cut to 46 degrees. With many other miter guides the error adds. In addition, the adjustable guide can be used to create unequal miters- for example a picture frame can have a 1" top, 2' sides, and a 3" bottom all mitered nicely without any measuring or math. I really enjoyed designing/making/using this and hope someone finds the concept interesting. 
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I'm not attending but decided to spontaneously take advantage of a nice AWFS sale today. I'm extremely excited and will post more once the contracts get signed and it becomes official
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Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
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I'm looking forward to any facts, experiences, speculations for those who are visiting Vegas - please share for those of us who cannot attend!
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Ideally yes I would like to see both in person but I will have to make my decision based on online and other user info since I¡¯m far from my closest felder showroom and Rangate headquarters.? I did speak on the phone with Gary at Rangate today and he mentioned that a heavier duty large cart is available to order.? Here is a screenshot of pricing from his email. Does anyone have any info on the heavier duty carts??
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On Jul 25, 2023, at 1:59 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Dan, I think you misread my recommendation. ?What I said was "But I also recommend you take the time to actually look over your next choice in person rather than rely on brand name or even user recommendations that are alway fraught with confirmation bias. ?You might find that the Felder FAT 500 doesn¡¯t fit your needs, while the Rangate 300 ¡°large¡± does."
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On Jul 25, 2023, at 5:17 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Appreciate the write up David. Yes I too would be in line if you built the ultimate lift bench! I¡¯m not looking for a very traditional bench but something that has a high-low lift range so a scissor lift design is best suited for the application. It will mainly be used as a sanding and cabinet assembly workbench. Assembling large cabinets can be a pain at standard heights off the ground and I prefer not crawling around.? You mentioned I may be happier with the Barth xl vs fat 500s bench. What is the reasoning for that??
And Lucky my shop floor is anything but perfect! I have 2¡± variation in some areas but strategically chose the flattest spot for my workbench area.? On Jul 22, 2023, at 1:58 AM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? As usual, I feel compelled to comment, largely from the perspective of ¡°let¡¯s cut through the gloss and get to the heartwood of the matter.¡± ?So here goes.
Dan appears to me to be on the right focus if this cart is to be used as a ¡°bench¡± in the woodworking environment. ?I have a couple of different scissors-lift carts in my shop, but the only one I consider stout enough to suffer the rigors of adapting wood into specific structures (hand planing, cutting dovetail joints, etc.) or to act as a reference surface for joining elements at right angles is my Barth 500V. ?The other scissor-lift carts I have would fail miserably at that, but as something that¡¯s ¡°affordable¡± to elevate material or heavy tooling (metal working vise, rotary table) they do just fine, and as something with wheels to stack dimensioned lumber on, they do pretty well at that also. ?So they have a place in my shop, but not as a replacement for something like shown below:
I¡¯ve looked closely at the Felder FAT series with a skeptical eye, and while they are decidedly NOT as robust as a bench than my Barth 500, they are clearly built to a higher level of rigidity and flatness than the Jet cart Dan bought from HD. ?But again, as a true substitute for a ¡°woodworkers bench¡± I wouldn¡¯t want the Felder FAT carts either. ?My Barth 500 just meets, but does not exceed my own expectations of a mobile bench. ?Now, is the Barth worth 5X the Jet? ?Depends on what you¡¯re trying to use it for. ?
The question then becomes ¡°does the Felder FAT or Rangate alternative¡± fill the gap in between? ?I have my doubts and would suggest Dan actually look over the FAT alternative with first hand experience before plunging in on the basis of ¡°it¡¯s Felder, it has to be good - right?¡±.
I still view all of the European-type variants (Barth, Rangate, Felder FAT, etc.) as vastly over priced relative to what they should cost. ?And I still wish there were a suitable USA manufacturer who would enter this field (liker ShopCarts perhaps, or Lista/Vidmar come to mind) who would build a mobile scissors-lift cart that is of sufficient build quality to serve as a woodworker bench. ?After several discussions with Greg at Rangate, I had hopes that they would come up with something to ¡°fill the gap¡±. ?And while the Rangate 300 ¡°Large¡± cart is clearly more robust and rigid than the Felder equivalent, and potentially suitable as a ¡°woodworker bench¡±, it¡¯s been priced relative to the competitive offering from Barth rather than from the perspective of ¡°cost plus x-percent margin¡± which I had hoped for.?
So, Dan, my recommendation that if you¡¯re looking for a bench substitute in combination with lift-and-slide features, you return that Jet. ? But I also recommend you take the time to actually look over your next choice in person rather than rely on brand name or even user recommendations that are alway fraught with confirmation bias. ?You might find that the Felder FAT 500 doesn¡¯t fit your needs, while the Rangate 300 ¡°large¡± does.
David Best
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On Jul 21, 2023, at 10:13 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
Hi Dan:
Oh, that does not sound good at all. That¡¯s unfortunate as the cart looks pretty solid from the photos. Like you I¡¯d probably put up with a fair bit of ¡°trouble¡± for the cost savings, but if it¡¯s not rigid, then it¡¯s hard to see it working well
when rolled from place to place. Unless your shop floor is perfect! Mine is definitely considerably less than!?
Let us know how you go as we are all looking for good adjustable carts at reasonable prices.?
Warm regards,
Lucky?
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Thanks for your input Lucky. Yes if I were to keep the cart or any of this style I would ditch the handle and mount the trigger release to the underside of my top. This cart is about 1/4 of the price of the 500s or $1100 retail vs $4k plus in
USD.?
My problem with this cart is it seems to be too flexible and will not be a stable enough platform for the type of torsion box top I want. It flexes relatively easily to lateral forces and the upper rollers are mounted loosely where you can twist
the top with ease. ?My suspicion that even a fabricated wood or torsion top will not do much to help in this area. I suppose I can throw my existing torsion top on this and see how it performs.?
On Jul 21, 2023, at 9:18 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
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Hi Dan:
I think that¡¯s a good looking purchase. I¡¯m assuming it is significantly less expensive than the FAT alternative? I don¡¯t know why the FATs (and similar) are so expensive. They are not particularly heavily built and the hydraulics are commonly
available.?
I have two FAT 300s. I¡¯m happy with them. But neither were good enough to yield a flat working surface. I made a 30mm timber top for one (shimmed for flat) and a full torsion box style top for the other. As Brian said, make a top and shim it
for full, flat support.?
I assume you¡¯ll ditch the handle? If the hand grip is used to lower the cart, I¡¯d just mount it under the new top so it is out of the way. I do like having braking on all four corners. But casters are cheap so you can replace them if need be.?
Unless there¡¯s something seriously wrong with the cart mechanism, or size, or something that cannot be changed, I¡¯d advocate for keeping it, making a flat top for it, and getting it into use!
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
I¡¯m not sure any welded up steel top cart like that is ever going to be ¡°flat¡± enough for what you are wanting. You can mount a another top on it and shim it at the mounting points to get it as flat as you want.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
On Jul 21, 2023, at 2:01 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Recent discussions prompted me to seriously consider upgrading my current fixed height workbench with a lift table. I ordered a Jet SLT-1100 lift table from Home Depot, this one comes with a 31.5x63 surface. This size and weight is roughly equivalent
to the fat 500s table. I had high hopes but those turned out to be a disappointment, the cart is not a viable option for any accurate (flat, no twist) workbench use. ?Attached are pics showing a severe twist in the top and about a 3/16 cup in the middle. The
bow was likely formed from warping at the welding stage and overall insufficient support. Any thoughts or ideas on how to fix this to create a flat and cools at work surface for a torsion box style top? I think it may not be worth the effort and just send
it back and cough up the money for a 500s.?
I will say the packaging was pretty secure, it came in a fully boxes plywood crate. That¡¯s more than a 20k felder saw with 2x4s and plastic wrap.?
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On Jul 14, 2023, at 5:36 PM, Larry Long Neck <longneckwood@...> wrote:
?I noticed at the bottom of Felder's promo email for AWFS that they have a raffle for a "lift table" at the end of the month if you visit their booth. I assume this means a FAT 300, if anyone is going and wants one :)
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