There ?is a small amount of adjustment with those loose. No where near the amount needed. The tech I talked to has me adjusting the hinge mount on the block above those bolts. ?I am making progress but not finished yet.?
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On Jun 27, 2022, at 8:58 PM, Chad75 <shouldercords@...> wrote:
?Hi Bill. Did you have any problems with the hinge moving when you loosen the four bolts below the hinge? This has me dumbfounded.??
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Y pant and 2 60 gallon will help some .? Rotary discharge and blow convey to large hopper outside. You should mention your Circumstances for mor accurate suggestions Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jun 29, 2022, at 7:17 AM, dio.449@... wrote:
?I do alot of work with rought lumber and have a cyclone dust collector ( frankenstein ), the issue I'm facing is just the amount of chips I am producing. I have a 55 gallon drum to collect the chips from my jointer/planer ( A41 ).?
I start alot of projects with 1 x 12 x 96 inch rough pine, which I will take down to 3/4 inch boards, I find myself emptying the bin numerous times during a run. Any suggestions on how to handle large amounts of chips from the planer?
I've considered upgrading the dust collector, but unless I go to a large industrial unit, the hopper capacity doesn't seem to change much.
Any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks
Claudio?
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I do alot of work with rought lumber and have a cyclone dust collector ( frankenstein ), the issue I'm facing is just the amount of chips I am producing. I have a 55 gallon drum to collect the chips from my jointer/planer ( A41 ).?
I start alot of projects with 1 x 12 x 96 inch rough pine, which I will take down to 3/4 inch boards, I find myself emptying the bin numerous times during a run. Any suggestions on how to handle large amounts of chips from the planer?
I've considered upgrading the dust collector, but unless I go to a large industrial unit, the hopper capacity doesn't seem to change much.
Any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks
Claudio?
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Re: Hello From New Member
Welcome to the group Barrie.?
Yes, it's an unbelievably great group of very generous and capable people.??
When you get a chance, please let us know about your new workshop and what machines you are considering.
Cheers
David
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Re: KF700 table extension for sale, How/where to list
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On Jun 28, 2022, at 7:38 PM, Edward Cohen <ecohentoo@...> wrote:
? Unfortunately I paid full price for this unit when I bought my K700. Oh well!
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA 01028 On Tue, Jun 28, 2022, 5:59 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Hi Jack,
You just sent the email to the group, so there you go! I would give a price, location and what you want to charge to ship. That¡¯s a nice table, fits the F-channel. Machines or the outfield of the planer.
Brian
I have a KF700 F channel table extension for sale. Do you have any idea what it is worth, How to list it on FOG.
Thanks Jack
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Re: KF700 table extension for sale, How/where to list
Unfortunately I paid full price for this unit when I bought my K700. Oh well!
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA 01028
On Tue, Jun 28, 2022, 5:59 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Hi Jack,
You just sent the email to the group, so there you go! I would give a price, location and what you want to charge to ship. That¡¯s a nice table, fits the F-channel. Machines or the outfield of the planer.
Brian
I have a KF700 F channel table extension for sale. Do you have any idea what it is worth, How to list it on FOG.
Thanks Jack
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Thanks for this follow up Mark. I know of only one other person who has owned or does own both the Panto and the MR, and that is Darrell Peart. That you had the MR previously adds a lot of gravitas to your
assessment. I have been asked by Australian Wood Review to give my assessment of the MR as I get it up and running over the next month or two. But it is precisely because of my lack of shop experience with the Panto that my assessment will not have a lot of
comparative details between the two systems.
?
Really appreciate your insights. Thanks.
?
Lucky
Lucky, quite a detailed response. But just to be clear I am not actually putting down the Panto, making jokes in an email to a bunch of folks almost always never come off the right way to everyone ( i would
say more about how i feel about that but i digress¡)?
But here¡¯s the punchline¡I actually own the Pantorouter now
?¡.
I have owned the MR can confidently say the PR is no MR, there is a lot of flex in the MR. Now when i say alot i am talking 0.003-.005 when lightly touching the upright portion that holds the router.?
Now in all reality the joinery coming off the PR is the same or better than other methods that general woodwork folk do (like from a table saw, handheld router with jigs, router table). Now I haven¡¯t used
it much so i might change my mind but just couldn¡¯t justify the cost of the MR for my hobby, if i was a biz then I would definitely go for the MR.
One more word n precision, there are definitely two different types of folks when it come to precision. I asked multiple folks that own the PR, like at least 4 and asked specifically if there was any flex
in the PR, to me without seeing it in person it looked lightweight and they all said ¡°no flex¡±, ¡°super sturdy¡± ¡°beefy¡± things like that. I just knew that couldn¡¯t be totally true but went for it anyways knowing I could just sell it. I can tell you it took
me an entire day to dial it in and it¡¯s pretty good but we will see how it fairs over time.?
Also i will say that i was not disappointed with what I received for the money all inclusive ?it was packed very well, all of the bits and pieces are of decent quality extrusion
parts are cut square ect. There are a few improvements that could be done?
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On Jun 28, 2022, at 7:33 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
?
Hi Mark:
?
Well, your ¡°smart ass¡± comments (said kindly) also remind me that we¡¯re all earnest forum participants with info/advice to share, and real people (and emotions). In the past, I have been hard on Panto-routers
here and regret that. I suspect one of the main reasons why I was hard on pantos was out of a sense of justification or protection for my own choice to purchase the multi-router. I ¡°want¡± the multi-router to be ¡°better¡± and I want the ¡°panto-router¡± to be
¡°inferior¡± so that my choice is justified and I can ¡°feel good¡± about myself. What rubbish. There¡¯s a lot of panto-owners and MR-owners out there. It actually doesn¡¯t matter (not really) which is ¡°better¡±. They are both good machines with different features,
different strengths and different price tags. I wish I had remembered that when going after pantos in the past.
?
Your comments are a reminder of me to be kinder. So somehow, they aren¡¯t smart ass at all ¨C but a normalisation of the two sides of the conversation. Much appreciated!
?
Lucky
?
Thanks David, it¡¯s not often i get a compliment on being a smart ass but what I am really doing here is poking the bear but he¡¯s not falling for my shenanigans.
On Jun 28, 2022, at 6:56 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
?
Hi Mark:
?
I am just loving your ¡°panto-router¡± comments thrust amongst various threads. This last one hit my funny bone. Thanks for the laugh!
?
Warm regards,
Lucky
?
?
Dan, humm that gets me thinking, maybe panto router could do this?
On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
?
In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..?
On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
?
Mark,?
If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't
imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?
?
?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.
It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint
grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat
on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.
I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future
but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.
I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?
Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of
used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think
i could do Felder.
--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
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Lucky, quite a detailed response. But just to be clear I am not actually putting down the Panto, making jokes in an email to a bunch of folks almost always never come off the right way to everyone ( i would say more about how i feel about that but i digress¡)?
But here¡¯s the punchline¡I actually own the Pantorouter now ?¡.
I have owned the MR can confidently say the PR is no MR, there is a lot of flex in the MR. Now when i say alot i am talking 0.003-.005 when lightly touching the upright portion that holds the router.?
Now in all reality the joinery coming off the PR is the same or better than other methods that general woodwork folk do (like from a table saw, handheld router with jigs, router table). Now I haven¡¯t used it much so i might change my mind but just couldn¡¯t justify the cost of the MR for my hobby, if i was a biz then I would definitely go for the MR.
One more word n precision, there are definitely two different types of folks when it come to precision. I asked multiple folks that own the PR, like at least 4 and asked specifically if there was any flex in the PR, to me without seeing it in person it looked lightweight and they all said ¡°no flex¡±, ¡°super sturdy¡± ¡°beefy¡± things like that. I just knew that couldn¡¯t be totally true but went for it anyways knowing I could just sell it. I can tell you it took me an entire day to dial it in and it¡¯s pretty good but we will see how it fairs over time.?
Also i will say that i was not disappointed with what I received for the money all inclusive ?it was packed very well, all of the bits and pieces are of decent quality extrusion parts are cut square ect. There are a few improvements that could be done?
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On Jun 28, 2022, at 7:33 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
?
Hi Mark:
?
Well, your ¡°smart ass¡± comments (said kindly) also remind me that we¡¯re all earnest forum participants with info/advice to share, and real people (and emotions). In the past, I have been hard on Panto-routers
here and regret that. I suspect one of the main reasons why I was hard on pantos was out of a sense of justification or protection for my own choice to purchase the multi-router. I ¡°want¡± the multi-router to be ¡°better¡± and I want the ¡°panto-router¡± to be
¡°inferior¡± so that my choice is justified and I can ¡°feel good¡± about myself. What rubbish. There¡¯s a lot of panto-owners and MR-owners out there. It actually doesn¡¯t matter (not really) which is ¡°better¡±. They are both good machines with different features,
different strengths and different price tags. I wish I had remembered that when going after pantos in the past.
?
Your comments are a reminder of me to be kinder. So somehow, they aren¡¯t smart ass at all ¨C but a normalisation of the two sides of the conversation. Much appreciated!
?
Lucky
?
Thanks David, it¡¯s not often i get a compliment on being a smart ass but what I am really doing here is poking the bear but he¡¯s not falling for my shenanigans.
On Jun 28, 2022, at 6:56 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
?
Hi Mark:
?
I am just loving your ¡°panto-router¡± comments thrust amongst various threads. This last one hit my funny bone. Thanks for the laugh!
?
Warm regards,
Lucky
?
?
Dan, humm that gets me thinking, maybe panto router could do this?
On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
?
In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..?
On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
?
Mark,?
If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't
imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?
?
?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.
It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint
grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat
on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.
I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future
but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.
I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?
Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of
used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think
i could do Felder.
--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
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Hi Mark:
?
Well, your ¡°smart ass¡± comments (said kindly) also remind me that we¡¯re all earnest forum participants with info/advice to share, and real people (and emotions). In the past, I have been hard on Panto-routers
here and regret that. I suspect one of the main reasons why I was hard on pantos was out of a sense of justification or protection for my own choice to purchase the multi-router. I ¡°want¡± the multi-router to be ¡°better¡± and I want the ¡°panto-router¡± to be
¡°inferior¡± so that my choice is justified and I can ¡°feel good¡± about myself. What rubbish. There¡¯s a lot of panto-owners and MR-owners out there. It actually doesn¡¯t matter (not really) which is ¡°better¡±. They are both good machines with different features,
different strengths and different price tags. I wish I had remembered that when going after pantos in the past.
?
Your comments are a reminder of me to be kinder. So somehow, they aren¡¯t smart ass at all ¨C but a normalisation of the two sides of the conversation. Much appreciated!
?
Lucky
?
Thanks David, it¡¯s not often i get a compliment on being a smart ass but what I am really doing here is poking the bear but he¡¯s not falling for my shenanigans.
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On Jun 28, 2022, at 6:56 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
?
Hi Mark:
?
I am just loving your ¡°panto-router¡± comments thrust amongst various threads. This last one hit my funny bone. Thanks for the laugh!
?
Warm regards,
Lucky
?
?
Dan, humm that gets me thinking, maybe panto router could do this?
On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
?
In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..?
On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
?
Mark,?
If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't
imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?
?
?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.
It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint
grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat
on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.
I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future
but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.
I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?
Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of
used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think
i could do Felder.
--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
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Thanks David, it¡¯s not often i get a compliment on being a smart ass but what I am really doing here is poking the bear but he¡¯s not falling for my shenanigans.
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On Jun 28, 2022, at 6:56 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
?
Hi Mark:
?
I am just loving your ¡°panto-router¡± comments thrust amongst various threads. This last one hit my funny bone. Thanks for the laugh!
?
Warm regards,
Lucky
?
?
Dan, humm that gets me thinking, maybe panto router could do this?
On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
?
In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..?
On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
?
Mark,?
If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't
imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?
?
?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.
It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint
grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat
on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.
I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future
but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.
I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?
Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of
used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think
i could do Felder.
--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
|
Hi Mark:
?
I am just loving your ¡°panto-router¡± comments thrust amongst various threads. This last one hit my funny bone. Thanks for the laugh!
?
Warm regards,
Lucky
?
?
Dan, humm that gets me thinking, maybe panto router could do this?
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On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
?
In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..?
On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
?
Mark,?
If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't
imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?
?
?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.
It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint
grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat
on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.
I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future
but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.
I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?
Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of
used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think
i could do Felder.
--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
|
Mark, before I got my 3 phase completed I had to do a lot of this kind of thing on a router table. It was all hand fed, and while tedious the results were fine. I used exclusively soft woods and mdf, so can¡¯t comment on the oak. I have run a lot of red oak through my shaper though and it didn¡¯t seem sensitive to feed rates etc.
36 shutters 26 x 72¡±, ?25 six panel doors, acres of frame and panel detail¡three garage doors.
I used bits from Infinity with only the very occasional touch up with a diamond file.?
That said, I hope to never use my router table again now that I have a proper shaper. Well, three in fact.
Greg
?
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Re: KF700 table extension for sale, How/where to list
Hi Jack,
You just sent the email to the group, so there you go! I would give a price, location and what you want to charge to ship. That¡¯s a nice table, fits the F-channel. Machines or the outfield of the planer.
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Brian
I have a KF700 F channel table extension for sale. Do you have any idea what it is worth, How to list it on FOG.
Thanks Jack
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KF700 table extension for sale, How/where to list
Brian
I have a KF700 F channel table extension for sale. Do you have any idea what it is worth, How to list it on FOG.
Thanks Jack
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Re: Thoughts on Adding VFD to Multi Motor Machine
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jun 28, 2022, at 2:46 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?This came up not too long ago and I decided to put something together that
one can consider as an option. This would be my approach if I had to do it
for my machine. I will be happy to help if someone wants to pursue this and
have questions. Just keep in mind that my availability depends upon what I
got going on.
Imran
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Thoughts on Adding VFD to Multi Motor Machine
This came up not too long ago and I decided to put something together that
one can consider as an option. This would be my approach if I had to do it
for my machine. I will be happy to help if someone wants to pursue this and
have questions. Just keep in mind that my availability depends upon what I
got going on.
Imran
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Re: Hello From New Member
Great name, welcome Barrie!?
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I don¡¯t have a lot of input to offer, but I¡¯ve run many thousands of feet of siding through shapers with feeders and I¡¯d be shocked if you could find a mag-base with enough force to for a feeder. The forces they generate can be quite high.
If you¡¯re primarily using the shaper with a feeder I don¡¯t believe the slider adds much value. I¡¯ve made cope and stick doors on the shaper with a sliding jig. That likely would have been easier with a slider!
Brett, I would hand scrape the profiles before I would ever buy a Griz.? There are a ton of used shapers here? ?but may not be worth the expense if I don¡¯t plan on doing much shaping.? Scm has a fixed shaft sliding shaper, looks like it is sized like the hammer for like $5500 but if i got a shaper i think i would want a tilting one.?
I have a jessem router life with a bosch in it so maybe that¡¯s the way to go. 1/4 hp feeder at shop gear is $750ish wonder if I could fab something up with a mag base to stick on the saw.? On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
?
In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..? ? Mark,?
If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?
-Brett ?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.
It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.
I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.
I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?
Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think i could do Felder.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration (at 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Dan, humm that gets me thinking, maybe panto router could do this?
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On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..? On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Mark,?
If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?
-Brett ?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.
It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.
I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.
I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?
Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think i could do Felder.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Brett, I would hand scrape the profiles before I would ever buy a Griz.? There are a ton of used shapers here? ?but may not be worth the expense if I don¡¯t plan on doing much shaping.? Scm has a fixed shaft sliding shaper, looks like it is sized like the hammer for like $5500 but if i got a shaper i think i would want a tilting one.?
I have a jessem router life with a bosch in it so maybe that¡¯s the way to go. 1/4 hp feeder at shop gear is $750ish wonder if I could fab something up with a mag base to stick on the saw.?
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On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..? On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Mark,?
If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?
-Brett ?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.
It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.
I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.
I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?
Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think i could do Felder.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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