Thanks for this follow up Mark. I know of only one other person who has owned or does own both the Panto and the MR, and that is Darrell Peart. That you had the MR previously adds a lot of gravitas to your
assessment. I have been asked by Australian Wood Review to give my assessment of the MR as I get it up and running over the next month or two. But it is precisely because of my lack of shop experience with the Panto that my assessment will not have a lot of
comparative details between the two systems.
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Really appreciate your insights. Thanks.
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Lucky
Lucky, quite a detailed response. But just to be clear I am not actually putting down the Panto, making jokes in an email to a bunch of folks almost always never come off the right way to everyone ( i would
say more about how i feel about that but i digress¡)?
But here¡¯s the punchline¡I actually own the Pantorouter now
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I have owned the MR can confidently say the PR is no MR, there is a lot of flex in the MR. Now when i say alot i am talking 0.003-.005 when lightly touching the upright portion that holds the router.?
Now in all reality the joinery coming off the PR is the same or better than other methods that general woodwork folk do (like from a table saw, handheld router with jigs, router table). Now I haven¡¯t used
it much so i might change my mind but just couldn¡¯t justify the cost of the MR for my hobby, if i was a biz then I would definitely go for the MR.
One more word n precision, there are definitely two different types of folks when it come to precision. I asked multiple folks that own the PR, like at least 4 and asked specifically if there was any flex
in the PR, to me without seeing it in person it looked lightweight and they all said ¡°no flex¡±, ¡°super sturdy¡± ¡°beefy¡± things like that. I just knew that couldn¡¯t be totally true but went for it anyways knowing I could just sell it. I can tell you it took
me an entire day to dial it in and it¡¯s pretty good but we will see how it fairs over time.?
Also i will say that i was not disappointed with what I received for the money all inclusive ?it was packed very well, all of the bits and pieces are of decent quality extrusion
parts are cut square ect. There are a few improvements that could be done?
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On Jun 28, 2022, at 7:33 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
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Hi Mark:
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Well, your ¡°smart ass¡± comments (said kindly) also remind me that we¡¯re all earnest forum participants with info/advice to share, and real people (and emotions). In the past, I have been hard on Panto-routers
here and regret that. I suspect one of the main reasons why I was hard on pantos was out of a sense of justification or protection for my own choice to purchase the multi-router. I ¡°want¡± the multi-router to be ¡°better¡± and I want the ¡°panto-router¡± to be
¡°inferior¡± so that my choice is justified and I can ¡°feel good¡± about myself. What rubbish. There¡¯s a lot of panto-owners and MR-owners out there. It actually doesn¡¯t matter (not really) which is ¡°better¡±. They are both good machines with different features,
different strengths and different price tags. I wish I had remembered that when going after pantos in the past.
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Your comments are a reminder of me to be kinder. So somehow, they aren¡¯t smart ass at all ¨C but a normalisation of the two sides of the conversation. Much appreciated!
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Lucky
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Thanks David, it¡¯s not often i get a compliment on being a smart ass but what I am really doing here is poking the bear but he¡¯s not falling for my shenanigans.
On Jun 28, 2022, at 6:56 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
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Hi Mark:
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I am just loving your ¡°panto-router¡± comments thrust amongst various threads. This last one hit my funny bone. Thanks for the laugh!
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Warm regards,
Lucky
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Dan, humm that gets me thinking, maybe panto router could do this?
On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
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In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..?
On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
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Mark,?
If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't
imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?
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?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.
It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint
grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat
on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.
I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future
but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.
I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?
Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of
used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think
i could do Felder.
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