Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
Someone actually accepted this delivery?
Imran
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On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:52 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote: ? This popped up on FB today from a guy who just took delivery of a knee mill shipped LTL. ?Clearly it was not packaged correctly, but the local freight terminal did manage to stick another pallet under the toppled machine before delivery.
David Best
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Jeeze Louise! All of this is making me nervous. I am expecting delivery of my K700 in April. This happened to me when I ordered my jointer from Grizzly. It was a logistical nightmare working with them and something I wouldn't expect from Felder. With the price of our Felder toys, we should expect proper freighting. I think it would be in their best interest to do this right. Anyway, I wish you well and hope that the problem is resolved soon.
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs Easthampton,? MA? Imran, thanks for the NIH reference, I wasn't sure what that was. As for OSB tress maybe they don't really have them or NIH applies in the case. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:01 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: OSB trees, that is a good one, Glen.
For the uninitiated, NIH per urban dictionary means: Not Invented Here? The German art of??any technology, agricultural product, or (medical) scientific work that has not been ivented or produced in Germany,?, or?. Imran ? David,
Did you refuse that machine? I can't come up with any reason why Felder wound not spend an extra 200 bucks (Well maybe 400 now) not to wrap them in OSB? The onl logical thing might be the added weight in shipping, but I dont think that is it. Maybe they don't have OSB trees in Austria. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon.? I would have declined the shipment.? Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment.? For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal.? In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
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In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
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So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Oh sorry for the confusion Mark, I was meaning the zero clearance insert at the end of the cross cut fence. ?As you pass over the scoring blade. ?It would just create a very tiny rabbit cut into the bottom corner. ?
Thx,
Wade
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Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
This popped up on FB today from a guy who just took delivery of a knee mill shipped LTL. ?Clearly it was not packaged correctly, but the local freight terminal did manage to stick another pallet under the toppled machine before delivery.
David Best
Best Services
415-652-1366
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Jeeze Louise! All of this is making me nervous. I am expecting delivery of my K700 in April. This happened to me when I ordered my jointer from Grizzly. It was a logistical nightmare working with them and something I wouldn't expect from Felder. With the price of our Felder toys, we should expect proper freighting. I think it would be in their best interest to do this right. Anyway, I wish you well and hope that the problem is resolved soon.
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs Easthampton,? MA? Imran, thanks for the NIH reference, I wasn't sure what that was. As for OSB tress maybe they don't really have them or NIH applies in the case. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:01 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: OSB trees, that is a good one, Glen.
For the uninitiated, NIH per urban dictionary means: Not Invented Here? The German art of??any technology, agricultural product, or (medical) scientific work that has not been ivented or produced in Germany,?, or?. Imran ? David,
Did you refuse that machine? I can't come up with any reason why Felder wound not spend an extra 200 bucks (Well maybe 400 now) not to wrap them in OSB? The onl logical thing might be the added weight in shipping, but I dont think that is it. Maybe they don't have OSB trees in Austria. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon.? I would have declined the shipment.? Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment.? For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal.? In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
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In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
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So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Yes,? I use scoring, it works with the ZCI you just raise it up while its on at 90deg to cut through. If you change the angle of the blade you will want to lower it first tilt to angle then bring up. I think I just did it at 90deg and 45deg I was good but can¡¯t remember. You don¡¯t want to tilt with the blade up and it only cut at 90deg or it will potentially bind. ? Yes slightly above, maybe 1/32¡± ish, i try to get the width dead on the blade or ?slightly over but never under main blade size. I think I have the felder scoring blade 120mm and it is fine. ? 
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On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:27 PM, wjdsignature@... wrote:
? Mark,
Do you use a scoring blade? ?Was wondering how this might affect a zero clearance insert on my slider. ?I guess it would just have a very small rabbit cut on the underside once I¡¯ve made a cut with the scoring blade. ?Aren¡¯t scoring blades typically set very shallow above the table and just slightly oversized on the width of the main blade? ?
If you do use a scoring blade, would you have a recommendation on which one to get? ?Is the Felder scoring blade any good? ?
Thx,
Wade
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Mark,
Do you use a scoring blade? ?Was wondering how this might affect a zero clearance insert on my slider. ?I guess it would just have a very small rabbit cut on the underside once I¡¯ve made a cut with the scoring blade. ?Aren¡¯t scoring blades typically set very shallow above the table and just slightly oversized on the width of the main blade? ?
If you do use a scoring blade, would you have a recommendation on which one to get? ?Is the Felder scoring blade any good? ?
Thx,
Wade
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Mike,
I make Zero-Clearance throat plate kits that fit the K940, Kappa 40, and Kappa 400. ? Email me if interested (david @ bestservices . biz). ? Details are here including a dimensioned drawing if you want to attempt making your own - it isn¡¯t simple: ??
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Mike < mike@...> wrote:
Bill,
Your parts on the Etsy page look good, so I wonder if you're interested in making other parts I'd be interested in seeing for my KF700S.
1) Zero-clearance insert for the saw blade.?
2) 4" adapter with 90 degree angle to the right for the overhead guard.
3) Insert for sliding table to hold jigs using 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8" bolts?
4) Elbow from 80mm to 4" for the shaper output (not enough room for an adapter plus a 4" elbow)
The blade insert isn't as easy as making them for Delta table saws and I spent an hour making an overhead adapter, similar to what Imran did, but it leaks. If the sliding table insert is more accurate and durable than a piece of oak with a threaded insert, it could be interesting.
Kind regards, Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Thanks for the suggestions Mike.
Here's a pic of the 80mm to 4" adapter on my F700Z. Not sure why I'd need an elbow.
I don't see the need for a zero clearance insert on my saw because I always use the scoring.
If I did design one, I wouldn't sell it for fear of liability.
If you want a 90 degree off the overhead guard, those are readily available for about 10 bucks on Amazon.
Mac makes sliding inserts for jigs like the pic I have attached. I would think threads in plastic wouldn't hold up very well.
Bill
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:05 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Bill,
Your parts on the Etsy page look good, so I wonder if you're interested in making other parts I'd be interested in seeing for my KF700S.
1) Zero-clearance insert for the saw blade.?
2) 4" adapter with 90 degree angle to the right for the overhead guard.
3) Insert for sliding table to hold jigs using 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8" bolts?
4) Elbow from 80mm to 4" for the shaper output (not enough room for an adapter plus a 4" elbow)
The blade insert isn't as easy as making them for Delta table saws and I spent an hour making an overhead adapter, similar to what Imran did, but it leaks. If the sliding table insert is more accurate and durable than a piece of oak with a threaded insert, it could be interesting.
Kind regards, Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Mike,
The rectangular shape of mine is not perfect either but is very close. For example, there was daylight in a corner. I cut a strip of thin packaging fabric. Made a?loop, with painters tape joining the ends. Placed?it around the rectangular saw opening and fitted the adapter. Never touched it since.
Imran
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On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:05 AM, Mike <mike@...> wrote: ?Bill,
Your parts on the Etsy page look good, so I wonder if you're interested in making other parts I'd be interested in seeing for my KF700S.
1) Zero-clearance insert for the saw blade.?
2) 4" adapter with 90 degree angle to the right for the overhead guard.
3) Insert for sliding table to hold jigs using 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8" bolts?
4) Elbow from 80mm to 4" for the shaper output (not enough room for an adapter plus a 4" elbow)
The blade insert isn't as easy as making them for Delta table saws and I spent an hour making an overhead adapter, similar to what Imran did, but it leaks. If the sliding table insert is more accurate and durable than a piece of oak with a threaded insert, it could be interesting.
Kind regards, Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Bill,
Your parts on the Etsy page look good, so I wonder if you're interested in making other parts I'd be interested in seeing for my KF700S.
1) Zero-clearance insert for the saw blade.?
2) 4" adapter with 90 degree angle to the right for the overhead guard.
3) Insert for sliding table to hold jigs using 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8" bolts?
4) Elbow from 80mm to 4" for the shaper output (not enough room for an adapter plus a 4" elbow)
The blade insert isn't as easy as making them for Delta table saws and I spent an hour making an overhead adapter, similar to what Imran did, but it leaks. If the sliding table insert is more accurate and durable than a piece of oak with a threaded insert, it could be interesting.
Kind regards, Mike
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Re: Hammer A3-31 Table Flatness
#hammer
This is in fact an issue I seem to have as well, but only more recently. I had to do some minor adjustments about a year after I got the machine, but recently the intervals become shorter and the adjustments less minor.
I readjusted everything on the weekend and other than the snipe issue in the center of the table, the machine works fine - at least for now.
Also, during this adjustment I found a few nuts and bolts loose, that I never touched before and that definitely should not have been loose...
I actually considered upgrading to a minimax fs41es. Unfortunately, it's rather hard to accommodate in my shop. More than 1,8m of jointer tables are really hard to fit in, or at least I have not yet seen how.?Thus my current plan is to move to separates, probably a Robland KS 410 and a minimax s41es. I can place those such that I can do an estimated 80% of my typical work without moving the machines and I have enough room to move them comfortably if necessary.
Best,
Michael
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
? ? ?Hi Wade,? See if the link below works it should even if you are not on Instagram, It is a post on the making of it. Yes, glued up multiple layers of BB. The larger fence has set screws on the sides, top and bottom to retain the block. Even though the smaller (non-DRO) fence doesn¡¯t have the set screws you can just drill and tap, thats what I did on the k700 that I had.
Also here is a post where I put a new edge on the end.
Jesse, I have a 4¡± connector that I designed and printed, I actually noticed a slight improvement. I measured with a pretty sophisticated Anemometer and the numbers increased but it¡¯s pretty subjective depending on where the measurements are taken and the repeatability of the location before and after changing to the 4¡± port.?
My 4¡± goes to a 6¡± drop then 6¡± main, I think my cyclone is 2.5hp. I switched all of my drops to 6¡± and then connect with short 5¡± flex to machine (except the saw over head) and noticed a pretty good improvement from what i had. I also measured the velocity in the trunk before and after and it improved, that was pretty repeatable because the probe goes through a drilled hole in the main at a specific distance?
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On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:57 AM, wjdsignature@... wrote:
?Hi Bill,
Thank you for getting back to me on the zero clearance insert. ?I have the Format cross cut fence with DRO¡¯s. I¡¯m interested in getting one of these from you, but do I need additional screws to install this? ?There is one Allen headed screw in my fence now, it¡¯s sitting in the top channel groove area, out at the end of the fence. ?Would I use this screw to fasten the zero insert? ?Still learning my way around this machine. ?I haven¡¯t even taken a test cut yet. ?Having a custom Nordfab adapter made so that I can connect to my dust collection.
Thx,
Wade
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Hi Bill,
Thank you for getting back to me on the zero clearance insert. ?I have the Format cross cut fence with DRO¡¯s. I¡¯m interested in getting one of these from you, but do I need additional screws to install this? ?There is one Allen headed screw in my fence now, it¡¯s sitting in the top channel groove area, out at the end of the fence. ?Would I use this screw to fasten the zero insert? ?Still learning my way around this machine. ?I haven¡¯t even taken a test cut yet. ?Having a custom Nordfab adapter made so that I can connect to my dust collection.
Thx,
Wade
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Thanks Mark,
That zero clearance insert looks really nice and clean, no fasteners showing! ?How did you go about connecting this to the end of the fence? ?Is there a block of wood connected to the back side of this that slips into the extrusion? ?What type of plywood? ?I¡¯m assuming you laminated up multiple plywood pieces to start this?
Thx,
Wade
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Re: Hammer A3-31 Table Flatness
#hammer
This is the situation I have with my hammer a3-31, and why I am upgrading to a minimax fs52es. However, a much bigger issue is that my tables don¡¯t hold settings for more than a few weeks. That was impacting my jointer¡¯s performance a lot more than the out tables. Have you checked that your settings are ok??
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On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 02:53 AM, Michael Kraus wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for your comment. Indeed I forgot the most important part... my problem is the following:
When jointing narrow stock, say 2~3 inches wide, everything works reasonably well near both edges of the tables, but in the center I get snipe. For lack of a better explanation I attribute this to the recess in the outfeed table, which is 0.25~0.3mm. I have not yet measured if this difference is consistent with the depth of the snipe. I will check this later today...
Best regards,
Michael
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Hi Bill,
I just ordered one for my saw, along with the overhead 4¡± port adapter. I noticed that you have the 120mm to 4¡± adapter. Do you notice any decrease in collection using the 4¡± hose on your saw?
Thanks,
Jesse
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Re: Cabinet Lift Recommendations
Had a chance this weekend to start adjusting tables, slow going. Will be nice when adjusted, tables are big and dead flat,,,planed! All other systems ? Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 24, 2022, at 4:59 PM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
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Mac, how does the Bauerle JP work now?? Dave
Few other options?
This is a Genie Lift I use at home and around the shop, here I used to set up a crane I built to lift tables on my Okoma HCH 630 to lift the tables know part of the machine . Tables are way to heavy to lift but just a push of a button know.?
The Genie-has a lift of about 8¡¯ and 400#.?
I have another 500# cap. That is single mast and will lift to 20¡¯.
 
Designing and building for 50 years
On Jan 24, 2022, at 4:05 AM, mikkel@... wrote:
?As an alternative - You can also use a lift table such as Felder Fat300 or Barth - You¡¯ll need to make a box to put between the table top and the cabinet to increse the max lift height of the table. Barth has a fine video showing exactly this?
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Regards,
Mikkel
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Hi Wade, If you're interested in purchasing a 3D printed one rather than making one of your own, I have them available on my Etsy site. Thanks to Brain Lamb for the designs. I also have dust hose adapters for the metric ports for sale, designed by Jeff Lund and Mike Bemis, whose permissions I have obtained to print and sell.
Hope this helps Bill B¨¦langer
Hello group,
I¡¯m just setting up my new K700S and wanted to ask about where or how to get a good zero clearance insert for the end of my cross cut fence.? It¡¯s the heavier duty cross cut fence that you find on the Format saws.
Thank you,
Wade
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Re: Cabinet Lift Recommendations
Mac, how does the Bauerle JP work now?? Dave
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Few other options?
This is a Genie Lift I use at home and around the shop, here I used to set up a crane I built to lift tables on my Okoma HCH 630 to lift the tables know part of the machine . Tables are way to heavy to lift but just a push of a button know.?
The Genie-has a lift of about 8¡¯ and 400#.?
I have another 500# cap. That is single mast and will lift to 20¡¯.
 
Designing and building for 50 years
On Jan 24, 2022, at 4:05 AM, mikkel@... wrote:
?As an alternative - You can also use a lift table such as Felder Fat300 or Barth - You¡¯ll need to make a box to put between the table top and the cabinet to increse the max lift height of the table. Barth has a fine video showing exactly this?
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Regards,
Mikkel
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