Hi Imran,
Its a 2001 machine, its getting a bit long in the tooth, but was working fine up to recently.
But yes, there is 24vac present across the start switch, and I've replaced that switch block with a new one, but still no dice.
In this saw, the brake circuitry is all on the one main board, so I'm not sure that can be eliminated easily.
I've trawled through the files section, but failed to find anything to help my cause....
I think if I fail to fix this, I'll abandon all that board and electronics and make up my own star/detla starter and use that, though I'd prefer fix it as it stands....
Thanks!
Seamus
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Seamus,
What year is your machine? You may find a schematic in the files section.
In general, you should confirm that one terminal of the start switch has 24vac. If so, your Estop and limit switches are fine. If not at least one in the string is open. Next step would be to confirm that your start switch is working - they do go bad.
If these switches are good and it does not start then, personally I would look to confirm that the abrake board is good.
Imran
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On Jan 4, 2022, at 3:32 PM, S.Ryan <seamieryan@...> wrote: ?Hi everyone,
I have a K700S Pro (5.5kW) that will not start, I'm trying to find a schematic diagram of the machine to finure out which contactors are the Main, Star & Delta...
right now only the 'top' contactor is pulling in when the main isolator is turned on, and the +/-15Vdc is present on the logic / main board.
The safety switches look ok, yet I don't see any 24v appear on the contactor coils (A1 & A2) when the green start button is pressed.? I might temporarily 'jumper out' the EMO and safety interlocks next to see if they are causing the problem, but it'd be great if someone had a schematic.
Thanks!
Seamus
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Hi everyone, I have a K700S Pro (5.5kW) that will not start, I'm trying to find a schematic diagram of the machine to finure out which contactors are the Main, Star & Delta... right now only the 'top' contactor is pulling in when the main isolator is turned on, and the +/-15Vdc is present on the logic / main board. The safety switches look ok, yet I don't see any 24v appear on the contactor coils (A1 & A2) when the green start button is pressed.? I might temporarily 'jumper out' the EMO and safety interlocks next to see if they are causing the problem, but it'd be great if someone had a schematic. Thanks! Seamus This top one pulls in when isolator is switched on.... 
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?John,
First, kudos for writing up a detailed msg for describing the problem. One of the best that I can recall.
It appears that you have a felder schematic. If you would like you can email me a copy (reply to sender at bottom of msg) and then we can have a call. I have done this before with others. In the end you may still need to have a talk with felder but the more you know about your machine the better off you will be.
I have 2001KF and my schematic is for CF731 as well and I do not see K4 (just see K1) so I would like to see your schematic.
Regards,
Imran
On Jan 3, 2022, at 9:54 AM, John <j.pisvin@...> wrote:
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Seems like your best course of action is to call Felder technical support. ?They¡¯ve been very helpful for me on my second-hand CF741.
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On Jan 3, 2022, at 12:06 PM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
I¡¯m not an electrician, but if you have checked that the yellow reverse light works and that it¡¯s not coming on, then you have an open e-stop string or limit switch somewhere. You are going to get crickets on the schematic for the board¡ nobody is going to have that shy of Felder.
Hello,??????????? I am Jonathan, nice to meet you.
I recently acquired a Felder CF731 from 2001 (three-phased powered, with electrical braking of the motors, I do not have digital control of the height/angles of the tools nor any electrical speed control of the motors). I got it from a person who passed away, so I cannot get any info from the previous owner. Unfortunately, I cannot start the machine. Any support would be a great help.
When I switch on the machine in reverse shaper mode, the yellow light does not light up. I checked all the security switches (saw cover, planer table and planer dust collector) and all stop buttons. All are working fine and to make 100% sure, I short-circuited them. I also checked the yellow light bulb and it is working well.
I checked the main On/Off switch and the ¡°shaper/planer/saw¡± selector and they are working fine.
There is current going to the board and there is a green LED lighted up close to the microcontroller PIC on the board (not sure about the meaning of this LED, I suppose it is showing that the 24V power supply to the microcontroller is working well??)
I checked the 2 relays on my board (one called ¡°K1¡± for the start of the motor and one called ¡°K4¡± for the braking when motor is stopped, in my understanding) and I noticed that they are different, so I assume that one/or both relays were changed by the previous owner. I noticed a strange thing there:
The relays have 4 in/out connections, 3 are for the 3 phases and are NC (normally closed), one is for the activation of the relay (A1/A2) and one called NC or NO that is (I presume) used to know the state of the relay??(open or closed). I¡¯ll call that last connection the ¡°state control connection¡±. I noticed that the relay for the start of the motor has a ¡°state control connection¡± which is NO (Normally Open) but the relay for the braking is a NC (Normally Closed). I think that both relays are originally supposed to be the same and that the previous owner made a mistake when replacing one?? Also, what about the orientations of the connections, he might have made a mistake, too.
Can anyone who have a similar machine check on his board and confirm the connection of the relays K1 and K4 and the type of the ¡°state control connection¡± (NC or NO). (Note: sometimes the two extremities of the C from ¡°NC¡± are almost touching each other, making it is easy to mix that letter with a O. Better to check with a multimeter if not sure)
My board is a Siemens C98451-D6094-P10-2-86 (number engraved on the board) or C98451-D6094-A20-02-22 (number written on the white label sticked on the board).? Also, if by chance somebody have the electrical drawing of the board (not the connection drawing provided by Felder with the machine, but the one of the board circuit), it would also be helpful!
Thanks so much for your support, Best regards, Jonathan <Felder_CF731_motherboard.jpg>
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I¡¯m not an electrician, but if you have checked that the yellow reverse light works and that it¡¯s not coming on, then you have an open e-stop string or limit switch somewhere. You are going to get crickets on the schematic for the board¡ nobody is going to have that shy of Felder.
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Hello,?????????? I am Jonathan, nice to meet you.
I recently acquired a Felder CF731 from 2001 (three-phased powered, with electrical braking of the motors, I do not have digital control of the height/angles of the tools nor any electrical speed control of the motors). I got it from a person who passed away, so I cannot get any info from the previous owner. Unfortunately, I cannot start the machine. Any support would be a great help.
When I switch on the machine in reverse shaper mode, the yellow light does not light up. I checked all the security switches (saw cover, planer table and planer dust collector) and all stop buttons. All are working fine and to make 100% sure, I short-circuited them. I also checked the yellow light bulb and it is working well.
I checked the main On/Off switch and the ¡°shaper/planer/saw¡± selector and they are working fine.
There is current going to the board and there is a green LED lighted up close to the microcontroller PIC on the board (not sure about the meaning of this LED, I suppose it is showing that the 24V power supply to the microcontroller is working well??)
I checked the 2 relays on my board (one called ¡°K1¡± for the start of the motor and one called ¡°K4¡± for the braking when motor is stopped, in my understanding) and I noticed that they are different, so I assume that one/or both relays were changed by the previous owner. I noticed a strange thing there:
The relays have 4 in/out connections, 3 are for the 3 phases and are NC (normally closed), one is for the activation of the relay (A1/A2) and one called NC or NO that is (I presume) used to know the state of the relay? (open or closed). I¡¯ll call that last connection the ¡°state control connection¡±. I noticed that the relay for the start of the motor has a ¡°state control connection¡± which is NO (Normally Open) but the relay for the braking is a NC (Normally Closed). I think that both relays are originally supposed to be the same and that the previous owner made a mistake when replacing one?? Also, what about the orientations of the connections, he might have made a mistake, too.
Can anyone who have a similar machine check on his board and confirm the connection of the relays K1 and K4 and the type of the ¡°state control connection¡± (NC or NO). (Note: sometimes the two extremities of the C from ¡°NC¡± are almost touching each other, making it is easy to mix that letter with a O. Better to check with a multimeter if not sure)
My board is a Siemens C98451-D6094-P10-2-86 (number engraved on the board) or C98451-D6094-A20-02-22 (number written on the white label sticked on the board). Also, if by chance somebody have the electrical drawing of the board (not the connection drawing provided by Felder with the machine, but the one of the board circuit), it would also be helpful!
Thanks so much for your support, Best regards, Jonathan
<Felder_CF731_motherboard.jpg>
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The saw tilt shipping screws are the same on a new KF700.? The right-side bolt is easily accessible from between the top and the frame. (Hopefully, adding this note helps folks find this thread for KF700 installations.)
Regarding, the bolt for the bar, I didn't like how it banged when it reached the stop, so I replaced the lower nut with a faucet washer. Now, it sounds and feels like a Felder should.
The whole assembly process feels like rebuilding an engine, hoping you don't have hardware left over when you're done. In my case, I hope Felder packed an extra large bolt with the overhead saw guard....
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Hi Bill,
It looked like you were almost there with your aluminum bracket (it looks so close you could probably just epoxy it in).? Aluminum has the advantage of being easy to work.? Thinner is better for working with basic tools, I used only 1/16" aluminum angle in my install.? That was great because you can bent it slightly to get the angle adjusted if needed (casting sides are usually not square since the need to release from the mold).? I only had basic tools for my install (vise, file, drill, drill press, tap for mounting the bracket).? So just keep at it and you will get there.? It is a very nice addition to the saw.
Best,
Johannes
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Hello,??????????
I am Jonathan, nice to meet you.
I recently acquired a Felder CF731 from 2001 (three-phased powered, with electrical braking of the motors, I do not have digital control of the height/angles of the tools nor any electrical speed control of the motors). I got it from a person who passed away, so I cannot get any info from the previous owner.
Unfortunately, I cannot start the machine. Any support would be a great help.
When I switch on the machine in reverse shaper mode, the yellow light does not light up. I checked all the security switches (saw cover, planer table and planer dust collector) and all stop buttons. All are working fine and to make 100% sure, I short-circuited them. I also checked the yellow light bulb and it is working well.
I checked the main On/Off switch and the ¡°shaper/planer/saw¡± selector and they are working fine.
There is current going to the board and there is a green LED lighted up close to the microcontroller PIC on the board (not sure about the meaning of this LED, I suppose it is showing that the 24V power supply to the microcontroller is working well??)
I checked the 2 relays on my board (one called ¡°K1¡± for the start of the motor and one called ¡°K4¡± for the braking when motor is stopped, in my understanding) and I noticed that they are different, so I assume that one/or both relays were changed by the previous owner. I noticed a strange thing there:
The relays have 4 in/out connections, 3 are for the 3 phases and are NC (normally closed), one is for the activation of the relay (A1/A2) and one called NC or NO that is (I presume) used to know the state of the relay? (open or closed). I¡¯ll call that last connection the ¡°state control connection¡±. I noticed that the relay for the start of the motor has a ¡°state control connection¡± which is NO (Normally Open) but the relay for the braking is a NC (Normally Closed). I think that both relays are originally supposed to be the same and that the previous owner made a mistake when replacing one?? Also, what about the orientations of the connections, he might have made a mistake, too.
Can anyone who have a similar machine check on his board and confirm the connection of the relays K1 and K4 and the type of the ¡°state control connection¡± (NC or NO). (Note: sometimes the two extremities of the C from ¡°NC¡± are almost touching each other, making it is easy to mix that letter with a O. Better to check with a multimeter if not sure)
My board is a Siemens C98451-D6094-P10-2-86 (number engraved on the board) or C98451-D6094-A20-02-22 (number written on the white label sticked on the board).
Also, if by chance somebody have the electrical drawing of the board (not the connection drawing provided by Felder with the machine, but the one of the board circuit), it would also be helpful!
Thanks so much for your support,
Best regards,
Jonathan
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Re: Martin Fritz and Franz Jig For Sale
Hi Scott,? Why are you selling? Thanks mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years
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? Designing and building for 50 years On Jan 2, 2022, at 12:57 PM, scott.charmack <scharmac@...> wrote:
?A few years ago I bought, from Martin an F & F gig, complete set. ?However, I have not used the set and it is available for sale. This is the same as the item that Felder sells as item 01.0.242 in their catalogue. ?Hopefully the image will come through. ?The only difference is that the wall bracket has a ?Martin label on the lower right corner though the jigs and clamps are for a Felder X-roll. ?The current Felder price is $905. ?I am asking $575, including shipping within the US. Scott Long Beach, Ca.
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Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 2, 2022, at 12:57 PM, scott.charmack <scharmac@...> wrote:
?A few years ago I bought, from Martin an F & F gig, complete set. ?However, I have not used the set and it is available for sale. This is the same as the item that Felder sells as item 01.0.242 in their catalogue. ?Hopefully the image will come through. ?The only difference is that the wall bracket has a ?Martin label on the lower right corner though the jigs and clamps are for a Felder X-roll. ?The current Felder price is $905. ?I am asking $575, including shipping within the US. Scott Long Beach, Ca.
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Martin Fritz and Franz Jig For Sale
A few years ago I bought, from Martin an F & F gig, complete set. ?However, I have not used the set and it is available for sale. This is the same as the item that Felder sells as item 01.0.242 in their catalogue. ?Hopefully the image will come through. ?The only difference is that the wall bracket has a ?Martin label on the lower right corner though the jigs and clamps are for a Felder X-roll. ?The current Felder price is $905. ?I am asking $575, including shipping within the US.
Scott
Long Beach, Ca.
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Bill, ? I emailed Michael directly.? It wasn't on his website.?? Thanks Dave Davies
On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 12:24 PM Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote: How did you order one David? I don't see that option on the WestOak website.. Bill B¨¦langer
It must be easy to store since you can't even see it in the picture.? I ordered one and if I don't have room it'll just stay broken down until I get my retirement shop...and Panel Handler and Barth apparently. Dave Davies
I store my CHD as shown in the picture (yellow arrow).? Very convenient.? A great product.? I do not have a lot of maneuvering room, but when I have 4x8 plywood near the saw, the CHD helps me get the wood on the saw.? Of course more wiggle room would be ideal, but even with my current space limitations, it has value.
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Bill, ? I emailed Michael directly.? It wasn't on his website.?? Thanks Dave Davies
On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 12:24 PM Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote: How did you order one David? I don't see that option on the WestOak website.. Bill B¨¦langer
It must be easy to store since you can't even see it in the picture.? I ordered one and if I don't have room it'll just stay broken down until I get my retirement shop...and Panel Handler and Barth apparently. Dave Davies
I store my CHD as shown in the picture (yellow arrow).? Very convenient.? A great product.? I do not have a lot of maneuvering room, but when I have 4x8 plywood near the saw, the CHD helps me get the wood on the saw.? Of course more wiggle room would be ideal, but even with my current space limitations, it has value.
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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How did you order one David? I don't see that option on the WestOak website.. Bill B¨¦langer
It must be easy to store since you can't even see it in the picture.? I ordered one and if I don't have room it'll just stay broken down until I get my retirement shop...and Panel Handler and Barth apparently. Dave Davies
I store my CHD as shown in the picture (yellow arrow).? Very convenient.? A great product.? I do not have a lot of maneuvering room, but when I have 4x8 plywood near the saw, the CHD helps me get the wood on the saw.? Of course more wiggle room would be ideal, but even with my current space limitations, it has value.
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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It must be easy to store since you can't even see it in the picture.? I ordered one and if I don't have room it'll just stay broken down until I get my retirement shop...and Panel Handler and Barth apparently. Dave Davies
I store my CHD as shown in the picture (yellow arrow).? Very convenient.? A great product.? I do not have a lot of maneuvering room, but when I have 4x8 plywood near the saw, the CHD helps me get the wood on the saw.? Of course more wiggle room would be ideal, but even with my current space limitations, it has value.
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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I store my CHD as shown in the picture (yellow arrow). ?Very convenient. ?A great product. ?I do not have a lot of maneuvering room, but when I have 4x8 plywood near the saw, the CHD helps me get the wood on the saw. ?Of course more wiggle room would be ideal, but even with my current space limitations, it has value.
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Re: Digital Rip Fence mod on K500
Bill, ? That was my build.? I'll look in the shop to see if I have any extra pieces.? I just cobbled together what I had. Thanks, Dave Davies -- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: KF700 Power Drive - setup question
Found them. 2 8mm allen bolts. Now I finally notice 2
stickers on the sliding door.?
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