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On Jun 5, 2021, at 8:43 PM, Bill White <william2652@...> wrote:

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Thanks Mark,

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I appreciate the help.? Now I can tighten the dado set and make my first dado!

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Bill

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Kessler
Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 5:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Dado Help Needed Please

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Yes the spacers are to make up the difference so you can tighten up the flange, also like Bill showed the smaller flange is for the dado?

Regards, Mark

On Jun 5, 2021, at 8:15 PM, Bill White <william2652@...> wrote:

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Hi there,

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First time using my dado set up on my Felder 2016 KF700S and I could use some help so I am reaching out to the smart folk on the FOG.

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I have removed the saw blade and the spacer behind the blade. ?I only have the 12-19 dado set.? I have 1 each of 2, 3, and 4mm spacers.? I wish to cut a 12mm slot so I am not adding any spacers between the cutters since that is the smallest dado the set will make.?

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When I put, for lack of knowledge, the lock-nut and allen bolt on the dado set to tighten it, the cutters are loose and no matter how I tighten the bolt they stay loose. I put the 4mm spacer on the outside of the dado set and then installed the locknut and allen bolt and it tightened right up.

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My question is, do I need to place a spacer on the outside of the cutters between the lock-nut and the cutters?? Without the spacer, the cutters are loose.? I wasn’t sure if the spacers are the right ones as I received them with the saw when I purchased the machine.? I bought the dado set used and it did not come with any spacers.?

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Here are some pictures showing what I’m doing just to be clear as possible. Sorry if they show too large.

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I just want to make sure I’m doing this right before I crash and burn.? Actually, so I don’t crash and burn, LOL!

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Thanks for your help and kind guidance.

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Warmly,

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Bill

SoCal

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Figure 1Picture of the dado cutter without locknut

Figure 2 - The spacers and the lock-nut I am using

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Bill White
SoCal

Felder KF700S - Hammer A3 -41, Festools, & Way too much stuff I don't use

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Bill White
SoCal

Felder KF700S - Hammer A3 -41, Festools, & Way too much stuff I don't use

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On Jun 5, 2021, at 8:15 PM, Bill White <william2652@...> wrote:

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Hi there,

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First time using my dado set up on my Felder 2016 KF700S and I could use some help so I am reaching out to the smart folk on the FOG.

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I have removed the saw blade and the spacer behind the blade. ?I only have the 12-19 dado set.? I have 1 each of 2, 3, and 4mm spacers.? I wish to cut a 12mm slot so I am not adding any spacers between the cutters since that is the smallest dado the set will make.?

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When I put, for lack of knowledge, the lock-nut and allen bolt on the dado set to tighten it, the cutters are loose and no matter how I tighten the bolt they stay loose. I put the 4mm spacer on the outside of the dado set and then installed the locknut and allen bolt and it tightened right up.

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My question is, do I need to place a spacer on the outside of the cutters between the lock-nut and the cutters?? Without the spacer, the cutters are loose.? I wasn’t sure if the spacers are the right ones as I received them with the saw when I purchased the machine.? I bought the dado set used and it did not come with any spacers.?

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Here are some pictures showing what I’m doing just to be clear as possible. Sorry if they show too large.

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I just want to make sure I’m doing this right before I crash and burn.? Actually, so I don’t crash and burn, LOL!

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Thanks for your help and kind guidance.

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Warmly,

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Bill

SoCal

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Figure 1Picture of the dado cutter without locknut

Figure 2 - The spacers and the lock-nut I am using

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Bill White
SoCal

Felder KF700S - Hammer A3 -41, Festools, & Way too much stuff I don't use

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On Jun 4, 2021, at 10:43 AM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

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I am also going to lower the current limit in the programming to see what happens as it’s a really easy test.? The new VFD is rated for like 19.6A output and I am only running at 11.8 so probably nothing but an easy test.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kumm
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 10:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply

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Once you verify the motor is fine without the vfd, and the utility power is balanced going into the vfd, it would seem the vfd is at least part of the problem.? I'm voting that the motor has issues until you rule that out.? Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...>
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 12:10 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply

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Some more background.? I brought the idea of variable speed to increase suction on small ports to Robert founder of Oneida at the Vegas show like 10 years ago.? We traded a ton of emails and he swore me to secrecy and the idea became the Oneida Smart collector which won innovation of the year at either Vegas or Atlanta.? In appreciation for the idea Oneida upgraded my collector to a 5HP Smart collector, single phase input.

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Lately I was having some issues with the 10 year old VFD shutting down and Oneida was very helpful and we found that for some reason some of the parameters were corrupted in the old single phase VFD.? Through this process I learned a lot about programming VFDs and I realized that the programming of the VFD was set to limit output current (the current limit of the original VFD) to 8.9A. The 5HP Baldor high efficiency motor is rated at 11.8A.? In running the VFD and watching parameters I realized that the motor was never even getting to 60 HZ due to the current limit.

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So I decided to upgrade the VFD to a 3 phase input. Same series ABB but at least with the ABB ACS310 series they are built as single phase input or 3 phase input.? So I ordered an ACS310 5HP 3 phase input VFD.? Super easy install as the programming just copies over.

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But the new VFD faults.? Last week it would fault after a few minutes.? When measuring the input currents the delta then was about 30%.? Over the weekend it didn’t fault at all and the current deltas were 20% or so. ?ABB sent a replacement VFD and it did not solve the issue.? Last night would get faults in less than a minute and the current delta was over 40%.

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More background:

• I have 600A of Utility 240V Delta 3 phase power.? Two transformers in my front yard.? New install one year ago with new buried lines from front yard to workshop.
• The workshop has a 5 Ton AC, 1.5HP pool pump, and sometimes an AC and water heater on for the guest house, plus 2,200w of LED lighting.? I doubt I’d ever see more than 100A or load at one time.
• I have a 3 phase shaper and a 3 phase bandsaw running in the shop with no VFD and the currents are pretty consistent on all lines.
• Voltage at the panel and at the VFD for all three legs is very similar.
• When the utility came out this week to test I started as many loads in the shop as I could and we had 0.2V difference for the two transformer legs measuring 121.3V and 121.1V.? Leg B being lower
• It seems like the average current across the three legs is the same each time I measure even though the delta between legs can be quite different each time.

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Can a phase error between the phases cause lower current in one leg?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply

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Hi Joe,

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More thoughts after rereading your post.

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You mention original VFD as single phase and new as 3 phase input. This could be important if you are running with single phase input.

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At first I thought you were running new VFD with single phase input but you report 3 input currents. Just curious, why are you using a VFD with 3 phase input on a dust collector with a 3 phase motor?

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Another thought. I am sure you know this, on a VFD, the single or 3 phase input is used to create a DC power supply. This to me means that there should not be a repeatable phase relationship between input and output currents. A resolution to your problem can help further our understanding of how these things work.

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Imran

On Jun 4, 2021, at 12:43 AM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

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I had to replace the VFD on my dust collector. It was an ABB ACS310 single phase input feeding a 3 phase 5 HP motor. This was from Oneida and because of the single phase supply they set the max current at the limit of the drive which is below the amperage of the motor. Anyway the new drive, an ABB ACS310 5HP 3 phase input VFD, faults with my utility delta 3 phase supply. The fault is due to uneven current on the input. I’ve spent hours measuring and testing and worked with ABB tech support several times. The key test ABB had me do was to swap two wires to see if the low current moves. It does not so ABB said not the drive. But they did approve a warranty swap. With the replacement I see the same problem. With leg A I get 20A leg B 15A and leg C 19A. Leg C is the wild leg. The voltages under load for legs A and B are within 0.2V. I also had the utility out and then measured and said all good on their side. They did not put a scope on the lines to see is I have phase shift issues. Could a phase different between the lines cause a 20-25% current difference when the voltages are the same? ?Also I have notices that the current difference changes. Worst was tonight with 22A, 14A, and 20A.?

also I have two other 3 phase machines that run and the currents measure the same on all three legs for those machines. I also tried running the VFD with a new breaker and also on a different line. ABB agreed to swap the drive because the currents are the same on all legs with non-VFD machines. ?

the only thing I can think of is the phase angles between the three legs is not 120 degrees. HELP

On Jun 4, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:

Mike,

I use this one in my assembly works great startles my wife when it go’s off.

Sorry for the monster link

mac,,,

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

airtightclamps@...

Designing and building for 50 years

On Jun 4, 2021, at 5:37 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?I bought this just for air clamps:

California Air Tools CAT-1P1060S Light & Quiet Portable Air Compressor, Silver

I comes on after ~6 cycles of dual clamps. Since then I have run air in shop and now it is used in garage for airing tires.

Per OEM listed at 56dB. The only complain I have is that it is easy to catch the pressure relief valve. Scared the dickens out of me when it happened first couple of times. They do make larger models as well which are also relatively quiet.

Imran

On Jun 4, 2021, at 6:12 PM, habacomike via <habacomike@...> wrote:

?About the only thing I use my dad’s old craftsman air compressor for is to run Mac’s clamps. ?I guess I also fill up the odd tire now and then, and blow out some irrigation lines in the fall. ?The craftsman makes a ton of noise and startles my spouse every time it starts. ?Any suggestions for something more appropriate?

Mike

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You can have a conversation with someone standing next to a California Air.

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I have the older version of the one below since 2014 no issues, I don’t use a lot of air and they run my clamps and general stuff just fine, a little louder than Imran’s but pretty quite?

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California Air Tools 10020C Ultra Quiet Oil-Free and Powerful Air Compressor, 2 HP

Regards, Mark

On Jun 4, 2021, at 6:37 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?I bought this just for air clamps:

California Air Tools CAT-1P1060S Light & Quiet Portable Air Compressor, Silver

I comes on after ~6 cycles of dual clamps. Since then I have run air in shop and now it is used in garage for airing tires.

Per OEM listed at 56dB. The only complain I have is that it is easy to catch the pressure relief valve. Scared the dickens out of me when it happened first couple of times. They do make larger models as well which are also relatively quiet.

Imran

On Jun 4, 2021, at 6:12 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:

?About the only thing I use my dad’s old craftsman air compressor for is to run Mac’s clamps. ?I guess I also fill up the odd tire now and then, and blow out some irrigation lines in the fall. ?The craftsman makes a ton of noise and startles my spouse every time it starts. ?Any suggestions for something more appropriate?

Mike

About the only thing I use my dad’s old craftsman air compressor for is to run Mac’s clamps. I guess I also fill up the odd tire now and then, and blow out some irrigation lines in the fall. The craftsman makes a ton of noise and startles my spouse every time it starts. Any suggestions for something more appropriate?

Mike