Re: Airlines for new shop
Or use a Filter-regulator-lubricator to catch water and lube tool.? Oil can be turned off for painting, etc.? Spend a couple $hundred on a Parker of less than $50 at Harbor Freight. ? 
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Kessler
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 5:59 PM
To: [email protected]; david@...
Cc: rainger; Mark Foster
Subject: Re: [FOG] Airlines for new shop? Nice, When I do my copper lines I was thinking of doing an ¡°s¡± shape with a drip leg at the bottom to allow the air to cool from the compressor and allow it to condensate, anyone try that? Worth the effort?
On Jan 27, 2020, at 8:21 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote: ?I used type L copper piping/fittings with 50/50 solder which will flow easily with propane torch. ? Silver solder is for drinking water applications and requires higher heat like Mapp gas. ?Like Glen, I too like soldering - Heathkits when young got me in the habit. ? ?If you don¡¯t have a dryer at the compressor end, design your system with the expectation that water will condense in long lines and needs some manner to get out other than spraying into your equipment inlets.??If your main supply line throughout the shop is long and is high up, take the drops off vertically, then through a 180 and down - that keeps a lot of the water from condensation out of the drops. ? I also put condensation water dump ball valves at each end of the main supply and at the bottom of each drop. ? Examples below: ? ? On Jan 27, 2020, at 5:02 PM, rainger <rainger@...> wrote: ? Hello,? I'm in the same boat, getting ready to run air lines in a new shop,? I'm leaning towards copper,? what thickness/type did you all use?? Is type M too thin? Did you use silver solder or soft solder? Thanks in advance for your input.? ? On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:51 PM Mark Foster <mfsta2lt@...> wrote: I used Parker Hannifin rubber push loc 801-6-blk. Rated for 350 pounds in 3/8 with their brass fittings. I am really happy with how it turned out, easy install, no leaks and easy to cut in a ¡°T¡± somewhere if you want to add a drop.? Mark Foster? For once, I¡¯m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I¡¯ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn¡¯t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone? ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.? -------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper?
I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air.
Advice welcome.
PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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Re: Airlines for new shop
I' on the pex bandwagon.? It won't shatter like pvc, leak like galv or black pipe, or cost like copper or proprietary like rapid air.? Dead simple and I had zero leaks after testing.? There are a couple ways to make the connections.? Both take special tools.? Home Despot rents them.? It ran inside sheetrock walls with galv pipe penetration and a fitting that screwed to a stud similar to a shower head mount.? Put in more terminals than you think you need and cap them if you don't use them. ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 12:41 PM
To: [email protected]; Brettwissel@...
Cc: jmkserv@...; joe.jensen@...
Subject: Re: [FOG] Airlines for new shop? They make straight pex , I use 1/2¡±I¡¯d rubber hose But I will use pex in basement it is just to to to easy. Mac,,, Designing and building for 47 years
On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote: ? We used 3/4" PEX to re-run our pneumatic plumbing last year, it's been good to us and flexible to make splices and changes as we've needed. It feels like our air plumbing system holds about 20 gallons of air itself. It was worth it to unroll it for a few hours to let it relax instead of fighting it to keep straight on install. It'll never be as straight and pretty as rigid pipe, but it'll never cost as much to buy or maintain either. ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.? -------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper?
I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air.
Advice welcome.
PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
-- Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
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I have read and heard about this issue. What do I need to do to avoid it? Adding a cement block? but where?
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Re: Quick question om Planer
Thanks Mac,?
Oh by the way as I never responded to your email about my clamps..
I will wait until you get you new cylinders, I know well enough, shit happens.
Glen ?
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Re: Quick question om Planer
I have done 3mm on this 941 successfully several times, i am however going to make a vacuum box sled at some point to see if I can gel better results. When i get a widebelt that would be The preferred method? Regards, Mark
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On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote:
?I chickened out on that Idea and did it on the saw, I don't exactly trust the digital read out yet, The planner seems pretty spot on but the saw is off, So as usual I cut them on the saw and had to do it again forgetting about it being off. I think its about time to get that fixed.?
I have done down to 1/4" on the planer, 1/8 just seemed to ballsy for me.
Thanks Bill?
Don't you some new stuff coming you way?
Glen
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Re: Quick question om Planer
Thanks John?
That sounds like the way to do it. However I cant find the wide belt sander, Not sure where in this mess it is.
Oh wait, Its not even here yet.?
Glen?
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Re: Quick question om Planer
Glen I would plane half that on my Buss but the tools your talking about there is way to much distance from rollers to pressure bars and chip breakers.? Lunch box planers work good for that sort of thickness or like John said wide belt. Mac,,, Designing and building for 47 years
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On Jan 28, 2020, at 8:08 PM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? Glen I gave up trying that on a planer a lot of years ago, better to bandsaw strips oversize then run them through the wide belt. I do it this way for my solid wood edgebanding. That is unless you like hearing wood explode and turning it into tooth picks.?
-------- Original message -------- From: Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> Date: 2020-01-28 8:06 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Quick question om Planer
I have an 941 and I want to plane some maple to .124" Is that safe or ok to do on this machine? Thanks as always, Glen?
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I chickened out on that Idea and did it on the saw, I don't exactly trust the digital read out yet, The planner seems pretty spot on but the saw is off, So as usual I cut them on the saw and had to do it again forgetting about it being off. I think its about time to get that fixed.?
I have done down to 1/4" on the planer, 1/8 just seemed to ballsy for me.
Thanks Bill?
Don't you some new stuff coming you way?
Glen
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Re: Quick question om Planer
Glen I gave up trying that on a planer a lot of years ago, better to bandsaw strips oversize then run them through the wide belt. I do it this way for my solid wood edgebanding. That is unless you like hearing wood explode and turning it into tooth picks.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> Date: 2020-01-28 8:06 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Quick question om Planer
I have an 941 and I want to plane some maple to .124" Is that safe or ok to do on this machine? Thanks as always, Glen?
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Re: Quick question om Planer
Maybe I spoke too soon. That¡¯s awful thin. If you try it let us know how you made out ? Might just suck into the DC! Bill Belanger ?
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 18:51 Bill B¨¦langer < bllblngr@...> wrote: Put a carrier plank under it. Should be OK But probably better on a drum sander.?
Bill Belanger? I have an 941 and I want to plane some maple to .124" Is that safe or ok to do on this machine?
Thanks as always,
Glen?
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Re: Quick question om Planer
Put a carrier plank under it. Should be OK But probably better on a drum sander.?
Bill Belanger?
I have an 941 and I want to plane some maple to .124" Is that safe or ok to do on this machine?
Thanks as always,
Glen?
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Re: Profil45 display error
I went through the same thing with my Profil, having to replace the digidrive positioning/control board and ending up with the same error display. ? ?I did find that that low voltage transformer inside the machine had multiple taps for the outputs and was able to bring it down by just moving a wire.
David Best
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On Jan 28, 2020, at 1:17 PM, david slater via Groups.Io < davidslater@...> wrote:
Hi Imran,
thank you for all the replies to my issue, I am sorry i did not reply I was unwell and have only just got back to my workshop and to the issues i was having
The problem was apparently an over-voltage issue relating to the replacement display being a newer model and not liking any over voltage whatsoever. In the end up i had to install an additional higher tolerance transformer to power only the display to eliminate the issue.
I now have to re calibrate everything due to the new display unit being installed and I wonder if anyone with this machine can tell me how much spindle travel they have? i.e should the spindle drop below the table completely? At its lowest setting mine still sits around 50mm above the table.
Thanks, David.
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I have an 941 and I want to plane some maple to .124" Is that safe or ok to do on this machine?
Thanks as always,
Glen?
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Re: Altendorf wins award for camera-based saw safety system
On 1/28/20 2:56 PM, Jason Holtz wrote: I hope Altendorf will licence the tech to other manufacturers. it's probably?? Infra red and that's it.? the mechanics to get the blade to drop?? any one? can figure out: Motor ,Spring, Magnets, Solonoid,? ? all kind? of ways to?? skin that? cat
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Re: Airlines for new shop
Mark,
I agree 100% with your analysis. I needed some of my line to go underground to get closer to where my cars are. PEX is absolutely not allowed to go underground because there are some bugs that will puncture it. So I did not have many choices. The advantage of the RapidAir system is the nice reasonably priced package with components that solve the need for many expensive and space consuming T's and L's and ball valves when you use copper. Each outlet has a moisture drain ball valve and everything is really well made.
BTW, PEX-AL-PEX is used in Europe for years as the standard for water supply and underfloor heating.
Ariel
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Re: Profil45 display error
Hi David,
My 2016 Profile 45z x-motion has about 120mm of spindle travel.
At the lowest the spindle will go it sticks up above the table 46mm to the top of the spindle cap bolt.
Joe in New Orleans
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On Jan 28, 2020, at 3:17 PM, david slater via Groups.Io < davidslater@...> wrote:
Hi Imran,
thank you for all the replies to my issue, I am sorry i did not reply I was unwell and have only just got back to my workshop and to the issues i was having
The problem was apparently an over-voltage issue relating to the replacement display being a newer model and not liking any over voltage whatsoever. In the end up i had to install an additional higher tolerance transformer to power only the display to eliminate the issue.
I now have to re calibrate everything due to the new display unit being installed and I wonder if anyone with this machine can tell me how much spindle travel they have? i.e should the spindle drop below the table completely? At its lowest setting mine still sits around 50mm above the table.
Thanks, David.
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Re: Airlines for new shop
The RapidAir website says it's HDPE, which is also what PEX is.? There are variations of HDPE of course, and their website says theirs is different, but it might be BS.
PEX-AL-PEX is PEX with an aluminum mid layer.? PEX alone is slightly permeable to oxygen, and the AL layer prevents that.? The permeability is not enough to qualify as "leak" in a compressed air system, but it is enough to allow oxygen into water over the long haul and cause?rusting of iron components, so PEX-AL-PEX is used in such conditions.
So basically it looks like RapidAir is PEX-AL-PEX with their own branded fittings.? RapidAir is slightly more expensive than commodity PEX-AL-PEX.?
Joe,
I had to make the same decision about 2 years ago. I ended up going with Rapid Air 3/4". I have a total of 9 drops. I bought 3 Rapid Air kits from Northern Tool as it was the cheapest way to get all the pipe and accessories. It is not hard at all to straighten the pipe by hand and to use electrician EMT bending tool to make nice tight radius when you need it (rarely).
Also bought the?RapidAir Quick Coupler which are very convinient to use
For attaching to the walls I did not use the plastic clips from the kit as they seemed flimsy, instead I used EMT 1-Hole Straps
Copper is a good choice but with the length of pipes that I have and some unusual bend angles it did not make sense. These tubes are really a good modern choice for air in the shop. The plastic-aluminum-plastic structure of the pipe is far superior to PEX and cheaper and in my opinion better than copper. Also the adaptors that come in the kit are well engineered with O-rings etc.
I am very happy with the end result and I always use type L copper (blue) for water...
Ariel
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 11:45 AM, Joe Jensen wrote:
Rapid Air.?
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Re: Profil45 display error
Hi Imran,
thank you for all the replies to my issue, I am sorry i did not reply I was unwell and have only just got back to my workshop and to the issues i was having
The problem was apparently an over-voltage issue relating to the replacement display being a newer model and not liking any over voltage whatsoever. In the end up i had to install an additional higher tolerance transformer to power only the display to eliminate the issue.
I now have to re calibrate everything due to the new display unit being installed and I wonder if anyone with this machine can tell me how much spindle travel they have? i.e should the spindle drop below the table completely? At its lowest setting mine still sits around 50mm above the table.
Thanks, David.
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Re: Airlines for new shop
Joe,
I had to make the same decision about 2 years ago. I ended up going with Rapid Air 3/4". I have a total of 9 drops. I bought 3 Rapid Air kits from Northern Tool as it was the cheapest way to get all the pipe and accessories. It is not hard at all to straighten the pipe by hand and to use electrician EMT bending tool to make nice tight radius when you need it (rarely).
Also bought the?RapidAir Quick Coupler which are very convinient to use
For attaching to the walls I did not use the plastic clips from the kit as they seemed flimsy, instead I used EMT 1-Hole Straps
Copper is a good choice but with the length of pipes that I have and some unusual bend angles it did not make sense. These tubes are really a good modern choice for air in the shop. The plastic-aluminum-plastic structure of the pipe is far superior to PEX and cheaper and in my opinion better than copper. Also the adaptors that come in the kit are well engineered with O-rings etc.
I am very happy with the end result and I always use type L copper (blue) for water...
Ariel
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 11:45 AM, Joe Jensen wrote:
Rapid Air.?
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Re: Altendorf wins award for camera-based saw safety system
Very true on the highest end of machines..their kappa 550 with the tilting dual bevel is around $70,000 depending in what options you want..?
On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 12:23:06 PM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
I think from the info available the system that Felder devised is probably a more go to. The more technology involved in the detection system the more chance to f__k up. Only time will tell if these even make to the market. So far it's all just talk and available in the highest end machines.?
-------- Original message -------- From: Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> Date: 2020-01-28 2:56 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Altendorf wins award for camera-based saw safety system
I guess I need to replace three sliders now lol. I wonder how much my liability insurance would go down? I hope Altendorf will licence the tech to other manufacturers. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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