On Dec 5, 2022, at 10:41 PM, Bird Cupps <birdc@...> wrote:

Sounds interesting.

On Dec 5, 2022, at 8:34 PM, joelgelman via??<joelgelman@...> wrote:

PK

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?Do the Alpine Workshop before you buy shaper tooling (And because it was amazing).? I?thought?I knew what I needed.? I was wrong!

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Bon May

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My wife found out about the Alpine workshops and bought me the Advanced Jointery class for Christmas last year, and I was looking forward to it but had no idea how it would change my life.

Joe as teacher and Greg as sponsor were a fantastic team. As we got into set-up, then operation of machines, I started to really grasp what the buzz about the classes was all about. I found out how valuable having someone with that much experience truly was. It opened up my eyes to techniques and process and operations that I would never have known that have completely changed my woodworking and made it much more than I ever imagined.

But along with the instructions was the hands on operation of the machines at the class- top of the line newer machines with digital displays, well set up, and with Mac's clamps. having the ability to go back to a machine and have repeatability and accuracy and do it quickly was eye opening for me. And with the addition of the Mac clamps, which I thought would be nice before using them but after using them I see they are something that might be the biggest safety upgrade in my shop, After using them I see the cost versus benefit to me makes them a very cheap purchase... plus they open up more capabilities on your machines and give you a greater comfort level and give you more confidence in what you can do.

But as I said, this was after I bought my shaper. If I had went to the class before I bought my shaper I would have ordered some different things and maybe even a different model. And after seeing what the better machines offered as far as more time working and a higher degree of accuracy and safety I have started the transition to new machines and away from the old ones. Without the class I never would have seen these things.

So my recommendation to you is before you buy any machine based on others thoughts, make the decision to go to the Alpine workshop, get your hands on good machines with the good instruction the class gives you, and then think about what you would like having been armed with some options and experience to base your decision from.

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This is where the Alpine class might be of great help to you. Joe has a newish Martin slider, well equipped, and an older Martin slider that is very well restored. Being an old machine guy I thought that would be the saw I preferred, but after using the big slider with the jigs and clamps and the instruction on them, I saw how much better the new and modern slider was, mainly from it was right and tight in it's operation but also with the addition of the clamps and Fritz and Franz jigs. I did things and felt safe doing them that I would have never tackled at my shop the way my saw was set up.

It was the same with his shapers. Three newish ones and one restored. The restored one is really nice and very attractive, but as far as set-up and operation I much preferred the newer ones. I did not see that coming.

I would still get a jointer and planer to begin with, but if you go see the capability of a well equipped slider versus a cabinet saw or track saws, you will have a much better perspective to go forward from.

Tom Gensmer

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The appeal of the Alpine classes is that they're only 4 days and very targeted, so it's easier for me to step away for a week here- and there- to advance my career.

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Habacomike

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Just got back from the Alpine Workshops Advanced Joinery class — what a good investment of time! ?As a result, I’m looking to upgrade my methods of work.?

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Eric Janson

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Yes, it's well worth it. Ultimate Joe is the perfect instructor- knowledgeable, tireless and patient. The shop has everything you can think of, plus a bit more that you couldn't think of. Greg G is there to lend expert support,?and no doubt you'll want?to take?advantage of?the?student discount on some Rangate cutters. Ouray is a destination in its own right, with raw beauty, great hiking and excellent restaurants, plus interesting sites nearby for partners who come along for the ride.

Be advised, if you are coming by car from the east, that Route 50 closes weekdays for many hours per day for canyon construction. The detour on Rte 92 through Hotchkiss adds about 1h20m but offers some spectacular scenery along the way.

BTW, Joe is also a Martin rep and can source Aigner fences, too.? You and your money will soon be parted - but you'll be happy about it ;-)

Cheers and good luck on the course

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Glen Christensen

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Another great Resource is the Alpine Work Shop. Joe Cahoon give a great class on woodworking joinery which is for the most part all shaper time. Not only does he teach you how to use it conventionally, He shows how to to clime cut, plunging cutting, radius shaping? among other stuff I cant remember. a 4 day class worth every penny and they are fun people. i am setting up to go back and do the advance joinery class again this year now that the class will make more sense to me now and going forward with the lift and slide and the euro window classes.I recommend that if you need a good breaking to what a shaper is really capable to do, take the first class....however don't do it this year as I am going and want the class size small. Lol

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Alex Bowlds

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I was completely new to the use of the shaper. ?I too didn’t have a clue how to get started. ?I learned of the Alpine Technical Workshops that are taught by Joe Calhoun in Ouray Colorado. ?Greg Godbout of Rangate facilitates the logistics for these classes. ?While attending the first class, I worked with Greg to get a starter set of shaper tools. ?Since then, I have been adding to my set as I determine my needs. ?I was told that the shaper is one machine that will ultimately have more expense in tooling than the machine. ?I’ve got a good start on that.

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I would recommend you consider taking one or more of the Alpine classes. ?They focus on the SAFE use of the shaper. ?While there, you will get ample opportunity to discuss your tooling needs with Greg, Joe, and the other students. ?Plus, Greg provides a great discount on tooling to Alpine attendees. ?And the bonus is you get to learn how to keep all your digits while using the shaper. ?The classes aren’t cheap, in my opinion, they are worth every penny. ?Class size is limited to six or less.?

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On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:29 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

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I do not know why FIAMA DRO is so expensive.

I watched?, bought the very affordable M503 DRO with 1 meter magnetic?band at CAD$ 69, received in 12 days. I am building the DRO F&F jig now, it also can be used as a DRO parallel guide.

James

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:19 PM imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

I shared a short video of this earlier. Here are the "how to" details.

Imran Malik

On Dec 5, 2022, at 8:34 PM, joelgelman via <joelgelman@...> wrote:

PK

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?Do the Alpine Workshop before you buy shaper tooling (And because it was amazing).? I?thought?I knew what I needed.? I was wrong!

?

Bon May

?

My wife found out about the Alpine workshops and bought me the Advanced Jointery class for Christmas last year, and I was looking forward to it but had no idea how it would change my life.

Joe as teacher and Greg as sponsor were a fantastic team. As we got into set-up, then operation of machines, I started to really grasp what the buzz about the classes was all about. I found out how valuable having someone with that much experience truly was. It opened up my eyes to techniques and process and operations that I would never have known that have completely changed my woodworking and made it much more than I ever imagined.

But along with the instructions was the hands on operation of the machines at the class- top of the line newer machines with digital displays, well set up, and with Mac's clamps. having the ability to go back to a machine and have repeatability and accuracy and do it quickly was eye opening for me. And with the addition of the Mac clamps, which I thought would be nice before using them but after using them I see they are something that might be the biggest safety upgrade in my shop, After using them I see the cost versus benefit to me makes them a very cheap purchase... plus they open up more capabilities on your machines and give you a greater comfort level and give you more confidence in what you can do.

But as I said, this was after I bought my shaper. If I had went to the class before I bought my shaper I would have ordered some different things and maybe even a different model. And after seeing what the better machines offered as far as more time working and a higher degree of accuracy and safety I have started the transition to new machines and away from the old ones. Without the class I never would have seen these things.

So my recommendation to you is before you buy any machine based on others thoughts, make the decision to go to the Alpine workshop, get your hands on good machines with the good instruction the class gives you, and then think about what you would like having been armed with some options and experience to base your decision from.

?

This is where the Alpine class might be of great help to you. Joe has a newish Martin slider, well equipped, and an older Martin slider that is very well restored. Being an old machine guy I thought that would be the saw I preferred, but after using the big slider with the jigs and clamps and the instruction on them, I saw how much better the new and modern slider was, mainly from it was right and tight in it's operation but also with the addition of the clamps and Fritz and Franz jigs. I did things and felt safe doing them that I would have never tackled at my shop the way my saw was set up.

It was the same with his shapers. Three newish ones and one restored. The restored one is really nice and very attractive, but as far as set-up and operation I much preferred the newer ones. I did not see that coming.

I would still get a jointer and planer to begin with, but if you go see the capability of a well equipped slider versus a cabinet saw or track saws, you will have a much better perspective to go forward from.

Tom Gensmer

?

The appeal of the Alpine classes is that they're only 4 days and very targeted, so it's easier for me to step away for a week here- and there- to advance my career.

?

Habacomike

?

Just got back from the Alpine Workshops Advanced Joinery class — what a good investment of time! ?As a result, I’m looking to upgrade my methods of work.?

?

Eric Janson

?

Yes, it's well worth it. Ultimate Joe is the perfect instructor- knowledgeable, tireless and patient. The shop has everything you can think of, plus a bit more that you couldn't think of. Greg G is there to lend expert support,?and no doubt you'll want?to take?advantage of?the?student discount on some Rangate cutters. Ouray is a destination in its own right, with raw beauty, great hiking and excellent restaurants, plus interesting sites nearby for partners who come along for the ride.

Be advised, if you are coming by car from the east, that Route 50 closes weekdays for many hours per day for canyon construction. The detour on Rte 92 through Hotchkiss adds about 1h20m but offers some spectacular scenery along the way.

BTW, Joe is also a Martin rep and can source Aigner fences, too.? You and your money will soon be parted - but you'll be happy about it ;-)

Cheers and good luck on the course

?

Glen Christensen

?

Another great Resource is the Alpine Work Shop. Joe Cahoon give a great class on woodworking joinery which is for the most part all shaper time. Not only does he teach you how to use it conventionally, He shows how to to clime cut, plunging cutting, radius shaping? among other stuff I cant remember. a 4 day class worth every penny and they are fun people. i am setting up to go back and do the advance joinery class again this year now that the class will make more sense to me now and going forward with the lift and slide and the euro window classes.I recommend that if you need a good breaking to what a shaper is really capable to do, take the first class....however don't do it this year as I am going and want the class size small. Lol

?

Alex Bowlds

?

I was completely new to the use of the shaper. ?I too didn’t have a clue how to get started. ?I learned of the Alpine Technical Workshops that are taught by Joe Calhoun in Ouray Colorado. ?Greg Godbout of Rangate facilitates the logistics for these classes. ?While attending the first class, I worked with Greg to get a starter set of shaper tools. ?Since then, I have been adding to my set as I determine my needs. ?I was told that the shaper is one machine that will ultimately have more expense in tooling than the machine. ?I’ve got a good start on that.

?

I would recommend you consider taking one or more of the Alpine classes. ?They focus on the SAFE use of the shaper. ?While there, you will get ample opportunity to discuss your tooling needs with Greg, Joe, and the other students. ?Plus, Greg provides a great discount on tooling to Alpine attendees. ?And the bonus is you get to learn how to keep all your digits while using the shaper. ?The classes aren’t cheap, in my opinion, they are worth every penny. ?Class size is limited to six or less.?

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On Dec 5, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Brandon Nickel <brandon.nickel@...> wrote:

I am considering joining the Alpine Workshop Advanced Joinery class in April. I'd like to know if you guys think this will be a worthwhile investment of time. If you've been, would you recommend it?

About me: I'm a hobbyist that has previously built a house worth of cabinetry including bathroom vanities and kitchen cabinets. To do so I used a Sawstop ICS and a home-built router table/lift. However, last summer I invested in a Felder KF700S with the Aigner shaper fence and a power feeder. Next summer I'm going to start building another kitchen project. I'd like to use the shaper and saw to the best of its capabilities and I'm sure I've got a lot to learn. After that there's a long list of other furniture projects to dig into.

I've bought David's Survival Guide and will spend the time to dial the saw in before I start the project.?

So, what input do you have for me? I'd love to hear your thoughts on the benefits of the class. I'm not going to make this a business, so I want to ensure that I'm using my time and money wisely.