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#Adding Wireless Switches to the X-Roll Slider #adding

 

Finally did a writeup on how I added the wireless switches in the slider. Don¡¯t crucify me on the wire color, used what I had.

Created a new thread to add hashtag. Here is my original post with some conversation:
/g/felderownersgroup/message/114241

Michael Kraus shared his solution based upon Schneider Harmony, it can be seen here:
/g/felderownersgroup/message/116823

Imran


Re: I¡¯m on the fence, about choosing a parallel fence.

 

Bill, I don't know how to start a private conversation in this forum and don't want to bother others chatting about your fence. Can you contact me? mike@...?


Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 

I would agree, the original intent was always the ability to quickly hold workpieces, allowing for a safer cut.?

I think F&F, particularly on this forum, has been added onto and improved in many cases to a point where the original features above have been lost or no longer easily deployed...It's OK to call that out :)


Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 

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Edited - first version the photos were stripped out.

I agree with Mark. ?There seems to be some confusion about the original and primary benefit of the Fritz & Franz - that being the ability to pinch or trap-squeeze small parts between the Fritz and the Franz units to hold material in position during a cutting operation. ?This is particularly helpful for save holding and cutting of tiny pieces, or long and skinny pieces that are too thin or small to get a clamp onto. Here are a couple of examples that inspired the original F&F.




With the addition of flip stops and some kind of measurement system, you can also get achieve accurate final dimensions, like this example.


You can also use a F&F with flip stops as a two-point parallel fence setup for straight-line or tapered ripping situations, such as this example posted by our very own Jason Holtz on Instagram a couple of days ago.


The disadvantage of using a F&F as a two-point parallel fence is that the material being cut has to fit between the Fritz & Franz elements, rather than being able straddle the two stops as shown in the following example. ?This type of setup is more advantageous when the length of the materials being cut to the same with vary in length and more rigid clamping is necessary to secure larger pieces. ?For instance, I would not want to use a F&F as a two-point parallel fence with processing panels for cabinet builds.


I admire with Derek has come up with - very nice work. ?In some respects it reminds me of a shop-built equivalent to the Martin MultiFunction outrigger table which is documented here: ? ? But like Mark, I don¡¯t see how this substitutes for the original F&F benefit of being able to safely hold small parts during a cutting operation. ?Maybe I¡¯m missing something.

David Best






On Mar 10, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

How is that used to cut small pieces, like cross-cutting a 1¡±x1¡±x 2¡± long piece (i have cut them smaller than that - Not seeing it, David Bedrosian ff or ones like it are perfect for that. ?Suppose its good for tapers but you really only need a flip stop and parallel guide like what Brian or Felder makes or a diy.?

Regards, Mark

On Mar 10, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Derek Cohen <derekcohen@...> wrote:

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Like many others, I made and used a F&F jig soon after sliding down the slider hole with my K3. Over time, I found that I much preferred the precision and versatility of a parallel fence ...



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Link:??

Regards from Perth

Derek


Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 

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I agree with Mark. ?There seems to be some confusion about the original and primary benefit of the Fritz & Franz - that being the ability to pinch or trap-squeeze small parts between the Fritz and the Franz units to hold material in position during a cutting operation. ?This is particularly helpful for save holding and cutting of tiny pieces, or long and skinny pieces that are too thin or small to get a clamp onto. Here are a couple of examples that inspired the original F&F.



With the addition of flip stops and some kind of measurement system, you can also get achieve accurate final dimensions, like this example.


You can also use a F&F with flip stops as a two-point parallel fence setup for straight-line or tapered ripping situations, such as this example posted by our very own Jason Holtz on Instagram a couple of days ago.


The disadvantage of using a F&F as a two-point parallel fence is that the material being cut has to fit between the Fritz & Franz elements, rather than being able straddle the two stops as shown in the following example. ?This type of setup is more advantageous when the length of the materials being cut to the same with vary in length and more rigid clamping is necessary to secure larger pieces. ?For instance, I would not want to use a F&F as a two-point parallel fence with processing panels for cabinet builds.


I admire with Derek has come up with - very nice work. ?In some respects it reminds me of a shop-built equivalent to the Martin MultiFunction outrigger table (see attached). ?But like Mark, I don¡¯t see how this substitutes for the original F&F benefit of being able to safely hold small parts during a cutting operation. ?Maybe I¡¯m missing something.




David Best

https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/






On Mar 10, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

How is that used to cut small pieces, like cross-cutting a 1¡±x1¡±x 2¡± long piece (i have cut them smaller than that - Not seeing it, David Bedrosian ff or ones like it are perfect for that. ?Suppose its good for tapers but you really only need a flip stop and parallel guide like what Brian or Felder makes or a diy.?

Regards, Mark

On Mar 10, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Derek Cohen <derekcohen@...> wrote:

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[Edited Message Follows]

Like many others, I made and used a F&F jig soon after sliding down the slider hole with my K3. Over time, I found that I much preferred the precision and versatility of a parallel fence ...



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Link:??

Regards from Perth

Derek


Re: I¡¯m on the fence, about choosing a parallel fence.

 

I¡¯ll sell my Felder fence. I only use the table part since I got Brian¡¯s. Not sure what for a price though.
Bill Belanger


On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 14:19 Mike <mike@...> wrote:
I think I already have the extension table (430-104) for the Felder parallel fence. If someone wants to sell their fence (because it doesn't fit, or they bought Mr. Lamb's) let me know.


Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 

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How is that used to cut small pieces, like cross-cutting a 1¡±x1¡±x 2¡± long piece (i have cut them smaller than that - Not seeing it, David Bedrosian ff or ones like it are perfect for that. ?Suppose its good for tapers but you really only need a flip stop and parallel guide like what Brian or Felder makes or a diy.?

Regards, Mark

On Mar 10, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Derek Cohen <derekcohen@...> wrote:

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[Edited Message Follows]

Like many others, I made and used a F&F jig soon after sliding down the slider hole with my K3. Over time, I found that I much preferred the precision and versatility of a parallel fence ...



[img]http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/ParallelGuideForK3Slider_html_1fdf2a4a.jpg[/img]

Link:??

Regards from Perth

Derek


Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 

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Wow Derek, is that NASA issued model? ??

Wade

On Mar 10, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Derek Cohen <derekcohen@...> wrote:

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[Edited Message Follows]

Like many others, I made and used a F&F jig soon after sliding down the slider hole with my K3. Over time, I found that I much preferred the precision and versatility of a parallel fence ...



[img]http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/ParallelGuideForK3Slider_html_1fdf2a4a.jpg[/img]

Link:??

Regards from Perth

Derek


Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 
Edited

Like many others, I made and used a F&F jig soon after sliding down the slider hole with my K3. Over time, I found that I much preferred the precision and versatility of a parallel fence ...



[img]http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/ParallelGuideForK3Slider_html_1fdf2a4a.jpg[/img]

Link:??

Regards from Perth

Derek


Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 

For those of you that are not on Instagram, you can watch a YouTube video showing my jig done by Ramon Valdez --??

While you are on Ramon's page, you should check out some of his other videos and you will see that he is an incredible craftsperson.

David


Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 

Thanks for the interest in my Fritz and Franz jig.? If you are on Instagram, you can see all of my related posts on the jig by searching for the tag #BedrosianFritzandFranz.? You can DM me on Instagram if you would like to place an order.? If you are not on Instagram, you can contact me at BedrosianWoodworks@....
In addition to selling the completed jig, I also have detailed plans if you would like to build the jig yourself.

David


Re: I¡¯m on the fence, about choosing a parallel fence.

 

I think I already have the extension table (430-104) for the Felder parallel fence. If someone wants to sell their fence (because it doesn't fit, or they bought Mr. Lamb's) let me know.


Re: Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...

 
Edited

I have seen them in a shop here in Auckland, the owner was closing his shop, the asking price was a bit high but it did cost him some serious $$ to buy, it was sold within a week.?


Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 

That¡¯s a really nice setup! In my Case it might soon become a junk collector though. ?
Bill B

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:09 Stan Blaszczyk <blaszcsj@...> wrote:

Same here. I bought the?Bedrosian FF for my K3 then modified (new slot) it for my KF700. It is a very well made kit with solid flip stops. Made a holster for it modeled after what I saw on Mark Kessler¡¯s saw on IG.


Re: Hammer A3-31 issue

 

I don¡¯t know if this helps but my fence on the end is about the same gap as yours. I raised the fence rail just a little bit and the back of the fence is about 1/8¡± higher then the table. I have used the planer and jointer a lot with no problems. I thought when I put it together it had a bigger gap then should be. But like I said no issues the wood comes out as square and as flat as I would ask for. ?Sorry if no help.?

On Thursday, March 10, 2022, 08:03:34 AM CST, williamjoecowan@... <williamjoecowan@...> wrote:


I spoke with a tech yesterday. While being very nice etc, he suggested maybe putting some washers under the 6 screws to raise it up. I was hoping for something better than a? "make do" approach. It seems the fence is tilted from front to back and should not be that way. I will figure it out on my own. Once I install the extension table, I will see if I can raise the bracket to help the cause, however I am sure the bracket is installed exactly to the specs given to me in the manual.


Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 

This was my first F&F attempt. I left out the rail as I wanted flexibility for angled cuts. I also introduced Kipp levers to fasten the clamps down, after applying some forward pressure on the workpiece, to eliminate the need to push the stock towards the x-cut fence. The various holes were intended to allow for different handle positions.?

I think it worked ok but F&F is best suited for straight cuts, IMO.?

With my workspace constraints, I now try my best to keep the large x-cut fence and outrigger stowed, so this previous F&F design limits me somewhat.?

Once I began using pneumatic clamps, F&F became less necessary.?




Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 

Same here. I bought the?Bedrosian FF for my K3 then modified (new slot) it for my KF700. It is a very well made kit with solid flip stops. Made a holster for it modeled after what I saw on Mark Kessler¡¯s saw on IG.


Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 

This is the most basic of all F&F jigs. Cost is almost nothing.

This will help me make a better/fancier version.

If you want a Bedrosian version, you can reach him through Instagram.

--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022


New 3/4¡± & 5/8¡± Cove Bits

 

Well I got weak in the knees and bid on a lot of router bits. Only got duplication of these 2, made in USA PC cove bits. I see comparable bits would be ~$100. Offering for $50 plus shipping. Cat not included ?





Imran


Re: Felder/Hammer setup in a small space

Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq.
 

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I built a pantograph a few years ago om birch ply for a router to carve letters and such.? It was terribly? easy. You could just watch? Mathias' videos and? get all the detail you need.? The dimensions are almost entirely? unimportant because you can work out the amplification or reduction? with trig

On 3/9/22 10:43 PM, Sang Luu wrote:

I gotta get my hands on a PantoRouter to reverse engineer it :).?

For a small shop with a slider (which I have as well) the crosscut fence + outrigger is the thing that almost always gets in my way. I don't know if the ?is compatible with your make of fence but it has made a big difference is access to valuable floor space for me.?

Welcome to the forum and let us know what you plan to make with this setup!?