Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
None of those saws in that set (from LV) are designed fir flush cutting. A flush cutting saw will have set on one side of the teeth only, and there would not be a back to the saw plate so as to make the plate/blade more flexible.?
This is a particularly good flush cut saw from LN. It cuts on the pull ...
The smallest saw in the LV set is great for dovetails and fine detail cuts. Incidentally, these saws look to be made by Z-saw, which is a very good company for inexpensive, mass-produced saws. I have a couple.
Japanese saws for tenons? Get a Ryoba. This is a double sided saw, one side fir crosscutting and the other for rip. From LV ...
Regards from Perth
Derek
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
Thanks Roger. I guess I lucked out, as the Dozuki has a rigid back.
Imran
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On May 13, 2021, at 5:09 PM, Roger S <rsinden@...> wrote: ? Imran
Don¡¯t waste your money on the set. ?I went to Japan and bought a load of their saws¡tried using them and just didn't get on with any without a rigid back.
But there you¡¯re talking¡just bought my third. ?It¡¯s my go-to saw for small stuff.?
?Ice Bear Japanese Ikedame Dovetail Saw
Careful¡the teeth are brittle.
Roger
I am more a traditional saw guy for any important cuts, but i do like this flush cut saw and i have had many over the years as they are basically throw aways.
Gyokucho Razorsaw Flush Cutting Single Edge Saw 100mm No. 1150?
And this one is very handy as well
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
Imran
Don¡¯t waste your money on the set. ?I went to Japan and bought a load of their saws¡tried using them and just didn't get on with any without a rigid back.
But there you¡¯re talking¡just bought my third. ?It¡¯s my go-to saw for small stuff.?
?Ice Bear Japanese Ikedame Dovetail Saw
Careful¡the teeth are brittle.
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I am more a traditional saw guy for any important cuts, but i do like this flush cut saw and i have had many over the years as they are basically throw aways.
Gyokucho Razorsaw Flush Cutting Single Edge Saw 100mm No. 1150?
And this one is very handy as well
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
Thanks everyone. Even though I was not looking for a dovetail saw the endorsements for Dozuki, especially the all out one from Taylor, LOL, convinced me to give Gyokucho 372?a try.
Looking forward to receiving it next week.
Imran
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On May 13, 2021, at 3:38 PM, t d <tdonsker@...> wrote: ? The gyokucho 372 is the finest saw ever made in my opinion. Its kerf is so fine it cuts anything with ease. The rigid backing limits its application but i reach for it for anything under 2¡± depth of cut. I dont like ryobas except for cutting nails. That was a joke. But really i do not like them as they are like a no. 5 jack plane. You may as well buy a saw at home depot.?
Anyways katabas are the big brother of the 372 (crosscut) and i bought a hand made version by mitsukawa. To be honest the cost doesnt really make sense but tomohito iida has some great deals on other hand made japanese goods. ?He is really friendly and knowledgeable and has contacts with most of the remaining tool makers.? In general i do not favor the ripping saws from japan because the teeth are so large and aggressive they tear out a lot and just are not a pleasurable sawing experience. The kataba is a happy medium especially in the larger size as it has big but less offset teeth than a similar sized ryoba would. ?You should also try and specify the type of wood you are cutting as softwoods and hardwoods require different setting and spacing of the teeth.?
Taylor Donsker www.tdonsker.com 818.424.9046 On May 13, 2021, at 10:31 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I am more a traditional saw guy for any important cuts, but i do like this flush cut saw and i have had many over the years as they are basically throw aways.
Gyokucho Razorsaw Flush Cutting Single Edge Saw 100mm No. 1150?
And this one is very handy as well
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
The gyokucho 372 is the finest saw ever made in my opinion. Its kerf is so fine it cuts anything with ease. The rigid backing limits its application but i reach for it for anything under 2¡± depth of cut. I dont like ryobas except for cutting nails. That was a joke. But really i do not like them as they are like a no. 5 jack plane. You may as well buy a saw at home depot.?
Anyways katabas are the big brother of the 372 (crosscut) and i bought a hand made version by mitsukawa. To be honest the cost doesnt really make sense but tomohito iida has some great deals on other hand made japanese goods. ?He is really friendly and knowledgeable and has contacts with most of the remaining tool makers.? In general i do not favor the ripping saws from japan because the teeth are so large and aggressive they tear out a lot and just are not a pleasurable sawing experience. The kataba is a happy medium especially in the larger size as it has big but less offset teeth than a similar sized ryoba would. ?You should also try and specify the type of wood you are cutting as softwoods and hardwoods require different setting and spacing of the teeth.?
Taylor Donsker www.tdonsker.com 818.424.9046
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On May 13, 2021, at 10:31 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I am more a traditional saw guy for any important cuts, but i do like this flush cut saw and i have had many over the years as they are basically throw aways.
Gyokucho Razorsaw Flush Cutting Single Edge Saw 100mm No. 1150?
And this one is very handy as well
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I am more a traditional saw guy for any important cuts, but i do like this flush cut saw and i have had many over the years as they are basically throw aways.
Gyokucho Razorsaw Flush Cutting Single Edge Saw 100mm No. 1150?
And this one is very handy as well
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
Imran,
For flush cutting a dowel, buy a flexible flush cut saw. Many available for about $25. Place an old plastic hotel keycard under the saw to avoid scratching the project, then use a sharp block plane to finish the cut.
For dovetails, buy a pull saw with a rigid back (Dozuki). Many good ones available for mid $50, and blades are replaceable. Marc Adams teaches dovetails with this type of saw.?
I own the Lee Valley products, have used them in several classes, and many projects at home. Very satisfactory.
There are also excellent tools for teaching small children to saw.
Steve
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I am looking into buying Japanese pull saws. Saw this set at Lee Valley
Woodcraft and Rockler also sell them and many more options online. I do not expect to make large or wide cuts as those are more likely to get done on a machine. So a good example would be tenons where both xcut and rip cuts are needed. Be good if I can also use one for flush cutting a dowell. If I can do dovetails with one that is a plus but right now not looking for one specific for dovetails.
I am also looking for an economical choice. Hopefully your experience can narrow down the unlimited options I am seeing.
Thanks,
Imran?
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
?I have the dozuki which I use for hand cutting dovetails and for flush cutting dowels.? It is less efficient than my Lie-Nielsen tapered dovetail saw, but is easier for me to use, especially when I haven't been practicing.? ?I'd recommend.
On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 9:45 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: I am looking into buying Japanese pull saws. Saw this set at Lee Valley
Woodcraft and Rockler also sell them and many more options online. I do not expect to make large or wide cuts as those are more likely to get done on a machine. So a good example would be tenons where both xcut and rip cuts are needed. Be good if I can also use one for flush cutting a dowell. If I can do dovetails with one that is a plus but right now not looking for one specific for dovetails.
I am also looking for an economical choice. Hopefully your experience can narrow down the unlimited options I am seeing.
Thanks,
Imran?
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Re: Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
I¡¯ve had this unit from Sharksaw for years, very flexible and the fine side can be used for flush cutting, the coarse side has a bit of set to the teeth, so it will scratch up a flat surface if you get too close.??Mine is an older version that has a push button to release the blade, which is handy for storing it or taking it to a job site. They make a lot of other variations as well.
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I am looking into buying Japanese pull saws. Saw this set at Lee Valley
Woodcraft and Rockler also sell them and many more options online. I do not expect to make large or wide cuts as those are more likely to get done on a machine. So a good example would be tenons where both xcut and rip cuts are needed. Be good if I can also use one for flush cutting a dowell. If I can do dovetails with one that is a plus but right now not looking for one specific for dovetails.
I am also looking for an economical choice. Hopefully your experience can narrow down the unlimited options I am seeing.
Thanks,
Imran?
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Japanese Pull Saw Recommendation
I am looking into buying Japanese pull saws. Saw this set at Lee Valley
Woodcraft and Rockler also sell them and many more options online. I do not expect to make large or wide cuts as those are more likely to get done on a machine. So a good example would be tenons where both xcut and rip cuts are needed. Be good if I can also use one for flush cutting a dowell. If I can do dovetails with one that is a plus but right now not looking for one specific for dovetails.
I am also looking for an economical choice. Hopefully your experience can narrow down the unlimited options I am seeing.
Thanks,
Imran?
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Re: Dual unit analog scale for Hammer rip fence
Designing and building for 50 years
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On May 11, 2021, at 8:13 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Starrett Measurestix, they come in 1/2 and 3/4¡± wide versions with inch, inch/metric or metric markings.
Hi all,
I am a new member to the group. I have a Hammer K3 that was delivered with a dual scale on the outrigger crosscut fence and a metric scale on the fixed table's rip fence. I would like to replace the metric scale with an imperial version (or a metric/imperial) but am having trouble finding one that will fit the extrusion's slot. The extrusion on the Hammer is 19mm (3/4"), I have searched the group's topics and I see that some have replaced their scales with a scale purchased from MSC. I may be that they were retrofitting a Felder product that possibly has a different width slot for the scale. I can find an SPI scale that is dual units and is 3/4" wide but it appears one side is imperial and the other is metric. If all else fails I can use this but I would prefer to have the dual units on the same side. Before I purchase the SPI, does anyone have a source for what I am looking for.
Thanks,
Kevin
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Hi Cliff:
Felder is a company name, like Ford or DeWalt. Unfortunately, ¡°Felder¡± is also used as one of their machine ¡°lines¡±:
¡°Hammer" (their hobby line) ¡°Felder¡± (their industrial line) ¡°Format-4¡± (their commercial and heaviest line).
So I think of Felder as the umbrella term, or marquee, but also keep in mind that ¡°Felder¡± also refers to that middle line.
Then within those lines there are machine designations, and ¡°Kappa¡± and ¡°Profil¡± are two examples of that. Thus, ¡°Kappa 400¡± is a specific machine (sliding table saw) which is part of the ¡°Format-4¡± line, which is made by the ¡°Felder" company.
I hope this helps.
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
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? M: 0413 013 115
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On 13 May 2021, at 9:35 am, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
Is Kappa a Felder product or a machine brand they? also sell?
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Is Kappa a Felder product or a machine brand they? also sell?
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Re: Finger Pulls on Drawer fronts
Thanks to all for your comments Time to do some trial cuts Rgrds Bob
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Haven¡¯t done that replacement on a Felder but did on a DeWalt DW735 planer. Best tool upgrade ever, wish I¡¯d done it sooner! I¡¯m happy with the planer and it was working fine but I¡¯d grown tired of replacing blades. I¡¯d heard good things about Byrd helical blades so I took the plunge. It took more or less a full day to make the switch and got me deeper into the guts of a machine than I¡¯d ever been. That was a little scary but the instructions were good and I got it done without any problems. The machine was immediately significantly quieter, to the point that I wondered if I¡¯d made an installation mistake, I hadn¡¯t. The cuts were instantly much better than with the original knives. I did it about two years ago and haven¡¯t had to rotate the teeth to a fresh cutting surface yet. Since each tooth has four cutting surfaces, I¡¯m guessing I¡¯ll never have to replace them. Do it, you¡¯ll be happy you did. Despite that success an AD741 is on my list primarily because my jointer needs an upgrade and it would be nice to have the wider planer. If I could only find a good used one I¡¯d be a happy guy.?
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Are you sure:
Price for a fat 300 equivalent on Ruwi web site seems to be 1,500 Euro + Tax + Shipping. Looks like the same price as what is quoted on the us felder shop website with the top at $400 ($2,000 total) if you get it from any of their warehouses in the US. Shipping From Germany to any east ports in the USA is not cheap.
Bill
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Re: Dual unit analog scale for Hammer rip fence
Starrett Measurestix, they come in 1/2 and 3/4¡± wide versions with inch, inch/metric or metric markings.
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Hi all,
I am a new member to the group. I have a Hammer K3 that was delivered with a dual scale on the outrigger crosscut fence and a metric scale on the fixed table's rip fence. I would like to replace the metric scale with an imperial version (or a metric/imperial) but am having trouble finding one that will fit the extrusion's slot. The extrusion on the Hammer is 19mm (3/4"), I have searched the group's topics and I see that some have replaced their scales with a scale purchased from MSC. I may be that they were retrofitting a Felder product that possibly has a different width slot for the scale. I can find an SPI scale that is dual units and is 3/4" wide but it appears one side is imperial and the other is metric. If all else fails I can use this but I would prefer to have the dual units on the same side. Before I purchase the SPI, does anyone have a source for what I am looking for.
Thanks,
Kevin
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ruwi make the felder table
felder charge double just to rebrand
i suggest you buy a ruwi
if you can
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Dual unit analog scale for Hammer rip fence
Hi all,
I am a new member to the group. I have a Hammer K3 that was delivered with a dual scale on the outrigger crosscut fence and a metric scale on the fixed table's rip fence. I would like to replace the metric scale with an imperial version (or a metric/imperial) but am having trouble finding one that will fit the extrusion's slot. The extrusion on the Hammer is 19mm (3/4"), I have searched the group's topics and I see that some have replaced their scales with a scale purchased from MSC. I may be that they were retrofitting a Felder product that possibly has a different width slot for the scale. I can find an SPI scale that is dual units and is 3/4" wide but it appears one side is imperial and the other is metric. If all else fails I can use this but I would prefer to have the dual units on the same side. Before I purchase the SPI, does anyone have a source for what I am looking for.
Thanks,
Kevin
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