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Re: KF 700 not powering up

 

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Jonathan,

That light is in break board and solid on mine means good. It flashes 2 digit fault code if there is a problem.

Have you inspected start/run capacitors? That would be my first guess. I thought you get a hum with a bad capacitor (no start) but I am not sure if that is always the case.

Imran

On Mar 12, 2021, at 9:36 AM, jontathan samways <jonathansamways@...> wrote:

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I'm a relatively new owner of a 2008 KF700.
Just went to use it and it won't start.
Checked and I have power to the saw.
Turned the spindle moulder power switch to reverse rotation and the yellow warning light is not lighting up.
When I switch power to the saw a light comes on in the power box which is labled 9v (see photo)
The blade cover is closed, can't think of any other culprits that would stop it working.

It's located in an off grid situation and is powered by a 10kw Honda ex10d? generator. (my solar powered inverter is 3kw and will not start it).
I've had it running via the generator and was no problem.

My Electrical technician can't help as he is snowed under with work, so any helpful suggestions will be much appreciated.

Jonathan.
Re: KF 700 not powering up

 

Hi Jonathan,
I¡¯ve had the same issue in the past with my ¡®08 KF700, and the culprit was a bad stop switch. You probably have three or four stop switches, two being mushrooms and one or two regular push buttons. The one that went bad on me was the main saw?stop?button. Since the stop buttons are all NC (normally closed), you can check them by taking the two wires out and twisting them together (bypassing the button) and seeing if the saw powers up. There¡¯s probably an easy way to check resistance with a voltmeter also.?Here¡¯s the replacement part from Grainger that I needed:
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Hope that helps!
-Shawn




On Friday, March 12, 2021, 7:36 AM, jontathan samways <jonathansamways@...> wrote:

I'm a relatively new owner of a 2008 KF700.
Just went to use it and it won't start.
Checked and I have power to the saw.
Turned the spindle moulder power switch to reverse rotation and the yellow warning light is not lighting up.
When I switch power to the saw a light comes on in the power box which is labled 9v (see photo)
The blade cover is closed, can't think of any other culprits that would stop it working.

It's located in an off grid situation and is powered by a 10kw Honda ex10d? generator. (my solar powered inverter is 3kw and will not start it).
I've had it running via the generator and was no problem.

My Electrical technician can't help as he is snowed under with work, so any helpful suggestions will be much appreciated.

Jonathan.
KF 700 not powering up

 

I'm a relatively new owner of a 2008 KF700.
Just went to use it and it won't start.
Checked and I have power to the saw.
Turned the spindle moulder power switch to reverse rotation and the yellow warning light is not lighting up.
When I switch power to the saw a light comes on in the power box which is labled 9v (see photo)
The blade cover is closed, can't think of any other culprits that would stop it working.

It's located in an off grid situation and is powered by a 10kw Honda ex10d? generator. (my solar powered inverter is 3kw and will not start it).
I've had it running via the generator and was no problem.

My Electrical technician can't help as he is snowed under with work, so any helpful suggestions will be much appreciated.

Jonathan.
Re: Bearing Replacement on KF7

 

My splitter, on a year 2000 KF7, is also offset. There doesn't appear to be a way of adjusting this other than shims which is a pain. Unless anyone knows different?

Cheers?
Ivan?
Re: FB 610 vs 710 #whatmachinetobuy

 

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Mike,
Thanks for casters details. Now that I am pretty sure where the saw will reside I do not need it on mobile base or casters however I still would like to be able to move it. So skids like Shinta are most suitable. BTW, mine is also Lagana, LT16 model. I never thought much about it but seems like being higher may be another plus.

Shinta,
Yes, I am concerned with tripping so will need to think a bit. Since I plan to go from side, perhaps I can make the rear skid longer for stability. Where it is located, the long rear skid won¡¯t be a huge trip hazard and also be out of the way while using it.

Imran

On Mar 12, 2021, at 12:48 AM, Shinta Wakahisa via groups.io <vnh84@...> wrote:

?Dave,

The railroad track is one of my anvils for messing around with metals and for building biceps!? :)

Imran,

Given the dimension of the FB710's base, the wooden base works out perfect for a narrow-fork pallet jack with 4-foot forks.? I went cheap and built it from the crate material of the bandsaw, but so far, it has been sturdy enough to support the FB710 during operation and moving.? Though, I only move the saw for blade changes, which is infrequent.??


Mike,

I have similar casters on a Hammer A3-31.? They works well for moving the A3-31 on a flat concrete floor.? The FB710 is a whole lot heavier with a higher center of gravity.? I am not sure, but those casters may make it difficult to move the FB710 around.? Also, they may not be able to be installed underneath the FB710's base (see picture), unless you weld additional corner triangle/square plate to the base's corners.??

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SW

Re: FB 610 vs 710 #whatmachinetobuy

 

Dave,

The railroad track is one of my anvils for messing around with metals and for building biceps!? :)

Imran,

Given the dimension of the FB710's base, the wooden base works out perfect for a narrow-fork pallet jack with 4-foot forks.? I went cheap and built it from the crate material of the bandsaw, but so far, it has been sturdy enough to support the FB710 during operation and moving.? Though, I only move the saw for blade changes, which is infrequent.??


Mike,

I have similar casters on a Hammer A3-31.? They works well for moving the A3-31 on a flat concrete floor.? The FB710 is a whole lot heavier with a higher center of gravity.? I am not sure, but those casters may make it difficult to move the FB710 around.? Also, they may not be able to be installed underneath the FB710's base (see picture), unless you weld additional corner triangle/square plate to the base's corners.??



SW
Re: FB 610 vs 710 #whatmachinetobuy

 

Here are small footmaster brand leveling casters on a Laguna 14 along with a different brand small and larger one for reference. Major drawback is the need to crawl around and adjust when relocating. Main benefit is not expanding the machine footprint with something else to trip on.?

Home Depot is a supplier of the footmaster brand.



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Mike B
Re: FB 610 vs 710 #whatmachinetobuy

 

Thank you Shinta for the missing dimension and photos.?

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Mike B
Re: FB 610 vs 710 #whatmachinetobuy

 

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Shinta,

Thanks for the pics of the bandsaw base. For the past few days I have been background processing what to do with my bandsaw which is currently sitting in a mobile base that I hate. I think I know now what to do. My saw is small so probably will access from side instead of front.

Imran

On Mar 11, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Shinta Wakahisa via groups.io <vnh84@...> wrote:

?Mike,

The FB710 is about 51.5" deep from back of the spine column to the edge of the cast iron table, which is 33 x 27.5 inches with you standing at the infeed side.? Table height is about 36".? Mine sits on a 4-inch-tall base so I can move it around using my pallet jack.? For an average height person, the height of the table at 40 inches (saw + base) is comfortable.? The cast iron table's edge is about 6.5 inches from the column.? There is sheet metal small extension table to cover the infeed space between cast iron table and column.? I attach pictures.??

I have the mechanical foot brake, which I rarely use.? I just let the saw coast to a stop.? If you open the top fly wheel door while it is under power, there is a switch to cut power to the saw.? If the door is open, the saw won't start.? The bottom door opens in tandem with the top door.? So far, I am pleased with the resaw performance with a 1-inch Woodmaster CT.? It has become my favorite way for ripping.??

SW

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Re: Felder Dado and Shaper cutter questions

 

Bill B.
I do believe we have the same saw, if my memory is there, Have you used the program in the saw to do your dado's at first i thought? of it as not much but I found it to be quite good at single dado and repetitive dado's, I think it works with the dado cutters too if Felder but haven't checked that out yet.
Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257
?????????? Avery, CA. 95224
Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road
????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137
LIC # 707507


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 7:46 AM Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
Another thought...
With our saws being as accurate as they are, multiple passes with a regular saw blade should suffice without the need for something dedicated?

Bill B¨¦langer?

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 08:29 Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
Get the right sized router bits and your dado¡¯s are one pass. They make bits for full size and undersize of pretty much any thickness.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...





On Mar 10, 2021, at 9:48 PM, Stephen Zielke <tseelkah@...> wrote:

Thanks all. I enjoyed the shop photos of dual saws.?

Hmm, that's kind of a bummer, I might not have bought the saw if I'd known it was not dado compatible. I falsely assumed that since the new machines could do it, that it was in the legacy machines.?

The new 2020 catalog seems to indicate the part number for the router spindle is #401-136. I assume either this is a typo, or the replacement for part #400-136. I will get the serial number for my machine and talk to the sales team before buying anything. I am planning on selling my other Rojek slider (with a 5/8" US style arbor, just fine for dados) to pay for the KF700, and wouldn't have room in my 1 car garage shop to really do back-back machines (back to back saw-shapers does sound tempting in a crazy wayl). But, I have a portable jobsite saw for work that can still run the dado - I'll see if it makes sense to set it up into an outfeed table. I'll probably end up using that, in tandem with rabbetting cutter in the shaper.?

The high speed spindle will be an "aspirational" purchase, maybe next year. It seems expensive, but when I consider how much tooling for it I already own, and the cost of full size 30mm tooling, it's actually worth investing in. Would certainly get me back to the dado like operations for groves in the middle of wide panels. Just more room for error with multiple passes, compared to shimming a dado and then production cutting.?

Steve

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Re: FB 610 vs 710 #whatmachinetobuy

 

?What do you have going on with the piece of railroad track?
Dave Davies

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 7:47 PM Shinta Wakahisa via <vnh84=[email protected]> wrote:
Mike,

The FB710 is about 51.5" deep from back of the spine column to the edge of the cast iron table, which is 33 x 27.5 inches with you standing at the infeed side.? Table height is about 36".? Mine sits on a 4-inch-tall base so I can move it around using my pallet jack.? For an average height person, the height of the table at 40 inches (saw + base) is comfortable.? The cast iron table's edge is about 6.5 inches from the column.? There is sheet metal small extension table to cover the infeed space between cast iron table and column.? I attach pictures.??

I have the mechanical foot brake, which I rarely use.? I just let the saw coast to a stop.? If you open the top fly wheel door while it is under power, there is a switch to cut power to the saw.? If the door is open, the saw won't start.? The bottom door opens in tandem with the top door.? So far, I am pleased with the resaw performance with a 1-inch Woodmaster CT.? It has become my favorite way for ripping.??

SW











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Dave & Marie Davies

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Re: FB 610 vs 710 #whatmachinetobuy

 

Mike,

The FB710 is about 51.5" deep from back of the spine column to the edge of the cast iron table, which is 33 x 27.5 inches with you standing at the infeed side.? Table height is about 36".? Mine sits on a 4-inch-tall base so I can move it around using my pallet jack.? For an average height person, the height of the table at 40 inches (saw + base) is comfortable.? The cast iron table's edge is about 6.5 inches from the column.? There is sheet metal small extension table to cover the infeed space between cast iron table and column.? I attach pictures.??

I have the mechanical foot brake, which I rarely use.? I just let the saw coast to a stop.? If you open the top fly wheel door while it is under power, there is a switch to cut power to the saw.? If the door is open, the saw won't start.? The bottom door opens in tandem with the top door.? So far, I am pleased with the resaw performance with a 1-inch Woodmaster CT.? It has become my favorite way for ripping.??

SW
Re: Adding fence to bandsaw?

 

I get that David's response was tongue in cheek as was mine but I thought in a group such as this the methods to prevent drift would be well known. This what I do.........

Install the widest blade you have

Track and tension it to your needs

Back off all guides?

Attach a straight edge to the blade I use magnets and a STRAIGHT steel rule. The magnet is placed behind the gullet so it sits flat on the blade.

Loosen the table holding bolts so the table can be moved around

Align the mitre slot parallel to the steel rule?

Tighten the table bolts

Align the fence to the mitre slot or blade,?

Reset the guides to your preference.?

If using a good blade you will now have no drift and if drift occurs blame the blade.?

If all blades are installed the same, crown wheeled centred, flat wheel on the edge of the wheel then the drift adjustments just done will still be accurate.?

Eliminating drift allows for a table sled to be used which is a very handy thing on BS's?
Re: Fiama magnetic tape alternatives

 

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I would not use tape from another brand, the pole spacing could be different. I have the banding, and currently sell it for $90 per meter ($27.50 approx. per foot). I¡¯m running low, so will have to order more soon, and I sure as heck hope I don¡¯t get charged $64 per foot! I do buy 25 meter rolls though, so hopefully the pricing won¡¯t be what you are quoting.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Mar 11, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Johannes Becker <paddy.mcgree@...> wrote:

Hello,

I wondered whether anybody in the group has experience whether the magnetic tapes that come with Fiama F7s are interchangeable with other manufacturers.? The last time I bought from Joe Slovak and paid around $25 per foot.? I got a quote from the new Fiama distributor (Ted Blohm @ Edmar Metric) and the tape he offers is around $64 per foot.? Did I just get lucky the first time? Any advise for looking for alternative sources or should I just go with the offer to avoid potential trouble??

Thanks!
Johannes

Re: Bearing Replacement on KF7

 

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Willis,

Do you have the parts diagrams book? If not call Felder with S/N and they should be able to provide you with a soft copy. Same goes for the manual if you did not get one. They may also be able to provide repair history. Felder tech support should also be able to guide you on bearing replacement. Have you measured runout?

I would fix the noise before addressing the splitter. I assume you have cleaned the splitter holder in case it has any rust or pitting. I assume yours is like mine (2002 KF) with no adjustment so shimming is likely your only choice. On my K975, the holder has 4 set screws which allows adjustment. I guess one could drill and tap for set screws. Both parts shown below:

KF700 - Part# 71


K975 - Part# 65


Imran?

On Mar 11, 2021, at 7:15 PM, contact@... wrote:

?I'm a new owner of a 1999 KF7F, I won it at an auction, all I know is that for the last 8 years its been stored in a shop unused. I've got a number of questions about getting it set up they way I would like with various accessories. But the current priority is addressing a grinding sound coming out of the saw, somewhat intermittent but not going away, and probably getting worse. It started after a few weeks of use at my shop. Its probably a bearing, but before I take it all apart I'd like to know a little more what I'm getting into. Mostly I'm worried about getting the blade back into an accurate position after the bearing is replaced.
Another issue, potentially related, is with the splitter. The saw came without the splitter, but when I installed a new one from Felder it was offset to the right of the blade by 1/32". I've shimmed it back, but I'm not sure where the issue is. Is the saw spindle offset, or is the arm holding the splitter bent or offset, or maybe the failed bearing is causing the problem. Any experience there would be helpful.
And lastly, I'm happy to have found this forum. This is my first Felder purchase, and my first slider, so lots to get up to speed on. Thanks for any help.
-Willis

Re: Felder FD21 for sale

 

Thanks David,
I got your message and tried to email you back direct with no success, but I will give you a call tomorrow to talk if you have time.
Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257
?????????? Avery, CA. 95224
Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road
????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137
LIC # 707507


On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 10:24 PM david coelho via <drc=[email protected]> wrote:
More info on the machine:
- purchased June 2016, delivered late 2016, has sat in my woodshop unused till now, woodshop is heated with 24x7
dehumidifier, unit never used

Total out of pocket for machine and accessories is $10,400.85 which reflects a substantial discount from Felder which most likely one would not get in current conditions as I had also purchased another $70K of stuff from Felder at the same time. I spoke to Felder today, and they indicate that new machine delivery is out into 2022 due to supply chain issues so if you want a new machine now, this is likely the only one available on the market.

Find attached a detailed run-down of all the options on this machine. It is 3x230V power.

I'll be at my shop tomorrow and will get some photos.

Fiama magnetic tape alternatives

 

Hello,

I wondered whether anybody in the group has experience whether the magnetic tapes that come with Fiama F7s are interchangeable with other manufacturers.? The last time I bought from Joe Slovak and paid around $25 per foot.? I got a quote from the new Fiama distributor (Ted Blohm @ Edmar Metric) and the tape he offers is around $64 per foot.? Did I just get lucky the first time? Any advise for looking for alternative sources or should I just go with the offer to avoid potential trouble??

Thanks!
Johannes
Bearing Replacement on KF7

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I'm a new owner of a 1999 KF7F, I won it at an auction, all I know is that for the last 8 years its been stored in a shop unused. I've got a number of questions about getting it set up they way I would like with various accessories. But the current priority is addressing a grinding sound coming out of the saw, somewhat intermittent but not going away, and probably getting worse. It started after a few weeks of use at my shop. Its probably a bearing, but before I take it all apart I'd like to know a little more what I'm getting into. Mostly I'm worried about getting the blade back into an accurate position after the bearing is replaced.
Another issue, potentially related, is with the splitter. The saw came without the splitter, but when I installed a new one from Felder it was offset to the right of the blade by 1/32". I've shimmed it back, but I'm not sure where the issue is. Is the saw spindle offset, or is the arm holding the splitter bent or offset, or maybe the failed bearing is causing the problem. Any experience there would be helpful.
And lastly, I'm happy to have found this forum. This is my first Felder purchase, and my first slider, so lots to get up to speed on. Thanks for any help.
-Willis
Re: FB 610 vs 710 #whatmachinetobuy

 

I have the earlier 600 and my spring bottoms out well before getting to 25k-30k. It does not provide the recommend 25k-30k that morse recommends for the 1" carbide blade I have. But it cuts pretty well at the 20k-22k that I can get out of the spring. Wasn't the easiest thing to measure. But Young's Modulus was very helpful.

David
Re: Safety Cutter Head with Generic Limiter?

 

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Thanks Jonathan.

Imran

On Mar 11, 2021, at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Martens <jonathan@...> wrote:

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On Mar 11, 2021 18:49, Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote:
I am under the impression limiters exist to achieve a MAN rating.?

Not to achieve a MAN rating only, but to be save when used with manual feeding, e. g. w/o power feeder. Maximum cut should be limited at max 1.1mm to be used w/o power feeder and MAN (or BG-Test) rating.?

Kind regards,?

Jonathan?
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