Joe,
I¡¯ll be in New Orleans next Saturday, February 8th, any chance I can see your shop?
You can respond to me directly at morrist @ dlwichita . Com
Thanks,
Tom Morris
Wichita, KS
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
There we go..I? see it now..I'll have to check mine tomorrow..I'm pretty sure nothing has ever been done to them..ever..
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:06:30 PM PST, david@... <david@...> wrote:
Randy look at page 229 and 230 in the Survival Guide. ? There are rollers inside the support bracket that the retractable arm rides on. ? Over time sawdust will transfer from that retractable support arm onto the rollers and stick on them. ? When that happens, the outrigger table will feel bumpy elevations as the slider is moved forward and backward. ? I simply take off the outrigger table, spray WD40 on the top and bottom of that retractable arm and slide it in/out many times to soak the roller, and then back and forth with clean cloth on the arm until it remains dry. ? That usually dislodges the crud on the rollers. ? If not, I soak again with WD40 and go after it with compressed air.
David Best
I keep hearing about the outrigger support arm I'm not seeing where anything on the outrigger has any sort of bearings or anything needing cleaning since mine is locked onto my sliding table.?
I have used Ballistol on my guns for years. ?Great product. ? That said, I would not want any kind of lube on my sliding table ways, no matter what Felder¡¯s current position is. ? I clean the ways and bearings with a good soak of WD40 running the table back and forth, then keep wiping the ways dry moving back and forth until they remain dry. ?I do the same with the outrigger support arm - the culprit there is usually crud sticking to the rollers.
David Best
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it. Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn¡¯t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the ¡°off¡± switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.? So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Randy look at page 229 and 230 in the Survival Guide. ? There are rollers inside the support bracket that the retractable arm rides on. ? Over time sawdust will transfer from that retractable support arm onto the rollers and stick on them. ? When that happens, the outrigger table will feel bumpy elevations as the slider is moved forward and backward. ? I simply take off the outrigger table, spray WD40 on the top and bottom of that retractable arm and slide it in/out many times to soak the roller, and then back and forth with clean cloth on the arm until it remains dry. ? That usually dislodges the crud on the rollers. ? If not, I soak again with WD40 and go after it with compressed air.
David Best
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I keep hearing about the outrigger support arm I'm not seeing where anything on the outrigger has any sort of bearings or anything needing cleaning since mine is locked onto my sliding table.?
I have used Ballistol on my guns for years. ?Great product. ? That said, I would not want any kind of lube on my sliding table ways, no matter what Felder¡¯s current position is. ? I clean the ways and bearings with a good soak of WD40 running the table back and forth, then keep wiping the ways dry moving back and forth until they remain dry. ?I do the same with the outrigger support arm - the culprit there is usually crud sticking to the rollers.
David Best
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it. Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn¡¯t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the ¡°off¡± switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.? So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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I keep hearing about the outrigger support arm I'm not seeing where anything on the outrigger has any sort of bearings or anything needing cleaning since mine is locked onto my sliding table.?
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:47:21 PM PST, david@... <david@...> wrote:
I have used Ballistol on my guns for years. ?Great product. ? That said, I would not want any kind of lube on my sliding table ways, no matter what Felder¡¯s current position is. ? I clean the ways and bearings with a good soak of WD40 running the table back and forth, then keep wiping the ways dry moving back and forth until they remain dry. ?I do the same with the outrigger support arm - the culprit there is usually crud sticking to the rollers.
David Best
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it. Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn¡¯t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the ¡°off¡± switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.? So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
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Designing and building for 47 years
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On Jan 30, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via Groups.Io <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? Hi John,? Yes there are just a small plastic carriage normally you can just wash but bearing s can pop out and be cleaned if I remember correctly? Seems there is a sheetmetal plate that holds the bearings together and different length sliders have different numbers of carriages. We used to keep in our pocket at trade shows for show and tell? mac,,, Designing and building for 47 years On Jan 30, 2020, at 3:51 PM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? Mac have you ever taken the bearing assemblies out and cleaned them in extreme cases.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "mac campshure via Groups.Io" <mac512002@...> Date: 2020-01-30 4:00 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Cc: blamb11@... Subject: Re: [FOG] Lubricant for sliding table
X roll care. ?Regular maintenance. ? Slide slider all the way forward , Take a fine abrasive cloth green , amber , put some LPS 1 on the cloth and wipe male and female ways. Dry with soft cloth.? Slide all the way other direction and do same thing. Take slider and ¡°slam¡± forward to locate bearings in proper position. They are designed to operate dry. That¡¯s it. Designing and building for 47 years On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:30 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Thanks Brian. Is this true for pre Xroll slider as well? I am not concerned with my older saw as I bought it new and have regularly cleaned guides.?
Imran On Jan 30, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? No grease, they ride in an open carrier against the rails.
On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:31 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Do the slider carriage bearings not have any grease? I assume these are sealed for life type of bearings. Is there any concern in directing the solvent type spray into the carriage? Just asking as I intend to do thorough cleaning on a used saw I purchased recently.
imran
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
I have used Ballistol on my guns for years. ?Great product. ? That said, I would not want any kind of lube on my sliding table ways, no matter what Felder¡¯s current position is. ? I clean the ways and bearings with a good soak of WD40 running the table back and forth, then keep wiping the ways dry moving back and forth until they remain dry. ?I do the same with the outrigger support arm - the culprit there is usually crud sticking to the rollers.
David Best
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Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it. Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn¡¯t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the ¡°off¡± switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.? So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
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The units before they came out with the X-roll look similar to this: << ?>> and the bearings run above and below the V on each side and all the uppers slant at 45? one way, the lowers 45? the other way. The X-roll machines use what is called a cross-roller bearing, common in metal working machines, looks more like this < > ? ? < > and the rollers change angle with each roller, one is 45? right, the next is 45? left. It makes for a more precise roller and it¡¯s also more rigid.
What they use in Hammer I couldn¡¯t tell you¡ and I wouldn¡¯t judge all the Hammers on one possibly trashed machine. I¡¯ve seen what some people think they should be able to do with these machines and maintenance is the furthest from their mind.
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Brian I remember going with a friend to look at 2002 machine and notice the different design to the slider but the unit still slid really nice. I believe the Hammer machines are using ball type bearings. The Hammer machine? that sticks out in my memory was owned by a German cabinet maker in a near by city, when you rolled the slider it felt like driving down a gravel road, they completely trashed it. On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 6:06 PM Brian Lamb < bklamb1@...> wrote: The pre-Xroll also uses cylindrical bearings, they just are not crossed.
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Brian I remember going with a friend to look at 2002 machine and notice the different design to the slider but the unit still slid really nice. I believe the Hammer machines are using ball type bearings. The Hammer machine? that sticks out in my memory was owned by a German cabinet maker in a near by city, when you rolled the slider it felt like driving down a gravel road, they completely trashed it.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 6:06 PM Brian Lamb < bklamb1@...> wrote: The pre-Xroll also uses cylindrical bearings, they just are not crossed.
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The pre-Xroll also uses cylindrical bearings, they just are not crossed. -- Brian Lamb blamb11@...?
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Hi John,? Yes there are just a small plastic carriage normally you can just wash but bearing s can pop out and be cleaned if I remember correctly? Seems there is a sheetmetal plate that holds the bearings together and different length sliders have different numbers of carriages. We used to keep in our pocket at trade shows for show and tell? mac,,, Designing and building for 47 years
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On Jan 30, 2020, at 3:51 PM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? Mac have you ever taken the bearing assemblies out and cleaned them in extreme cases.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "mac campshure via Groups.Io" <mac512002@...> Date: 2020-01-30 4:00 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Cc: blamb11@... Subject: Re: [FOG] Lubricant for sliding table
X roll care. ?Regular maintenance. ? Slide slider all the way forward , Take a fine abrasive cloth green , amber , put some LPS 1 on the cloth and wipe male and female ways. Dry with soft cloth.? Slide all the way other direction and do same thing. Take slider and ¡°slam¡± forward to locate bearings in proper position. They are designed to operate dry. That¡¯s it. Designing and building for 47 years On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:30 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Thanks Brian. Is this true for pre Xroll slider as well? I am not concerned with my older saw as I bought it new and have regularly cleaned guides.?
Imran On Jan 30, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? No grease, they ride in an open carrier against the rails.
On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:31 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Do the slider carriage bearings not have any grease? I assume these are sealed for life type of bearings. Is there any concern in directing the solvent type spray into the carriage? Just asking as I intend to do thorough cleaning on a used saw I purchased recently.
imran
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Mac have you ever taken the bearing assemblies out and cleaned them in extreme cases.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "mac campshure via Groups.Io" <mac512002@...> Date: 2020-01-30 4:00 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Cc: blamb11@... Subject: Re: [FOG] Lubricant for sliding table
X roll care. ?Regular maintenance. ? Slide slider all the way forward , Take a fine abrasive cloth green , amber , put some LPS 1 on the cloth and wipe male and female ways. Dry with soft cloth.? Slide all the way other direction and do same thing. Take slider and ¡°slam¡± forward to locate bearings in proper position. They are designed to operate dry. That¡¯s it. Designing and building for 47 years On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:30 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Thanks Brian. Is this true for pre Xroll slider as well? I am not concerned with my older saw as I bought it new and have regularly cleaned guides.?
Imran On Jan 30, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? No grease, they ride in an open carrier against the rails.
On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:31 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Do the slider carriage bearings not have any grease? I assume these are sealed for life type of bearings. Is there any concern in directing the solvent type spray into the carriage? Just asking as I intend to do thorough cleaning on a used saw I purchased recently.
imran
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X roll care. ?Regular maintenance. ? Slide slider all the way forward , Take a fine abrasive cloth green , amber , put some LPS 1 on the cloth and wipe male and female ways. Dry with soft cloth.? Slide all the way other direction and do same thing. Take slider and ¡°slam¡± forward to locate bearings in proper position. They are designed to operate dry. That¡¯s it. Designing and building for 47 years
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On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:30 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Thanks Brian. Is this true for pre Xroll slider as well? I am not concerned with my older saw as I bought it new and have regularly cleaned guides.?
Imran On Jan 30, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? No grease, they ride in an open carrier against the rails.
On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:31 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Do the slider carriage bearings not have any grease? I assume these are sealed for life type of bearings. Is there any concern in directing the solvent type spray into the carriage? Just asking as I intend to do thorough cleaning on a used saw I purchased recently.
imran
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Still Bona, if you really want to finish the floors. I grew up in a ceramics business, somewhere between a large studio and a mid-size manufacturing shop. Almost all our floors were bare wood, either plank or plywood, or bare concrete. Pretty much any clay body your wife will use for wheel work will be abrasive, will get on the floor, will be walked on, and will cut through almost any coating. Keep the floors clean-ish, mop up any standing water, and try not to dump too much water on the downstairs neighbors. :)
(And if you haven¡¯t already thought of it, make a clay trap for any sink used for ceramics work. They¡¯re easy to build, and you¡¯ll save on plumbing bills.)
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My wife is planning to setup a pottery wheel in a corner of the shop ¡ so wondering how I can protect the area.?
Initially I was thinking to put linoleum down ¡ then I remembered the ¡°epoxy¡± discussion and started wondering if that might be better and more durable solution.
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Thanks Brian. Is this true for pre Xroll slider as well? I am not concerned with my older saw as I bought it new and have regularly cleaned guides.?
Imran On Jan 30, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? No grease, they ride in an open carrier against the rails.
On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:31 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Do the slider carriage bearings not have any grease? I assume these are sealed for life type of bearings. Is there any concern in directing the solvent type spray into the carriage? Just asking as I intend to do thorough cleaning on a used saw I purchased recently.
imran
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Re: RL-125 Remote start questions
To follow up, I did make the auto start as stated in this thread and in another thread for a RL140, single phase, post 2014 vintage, for which we do not need to hold any button to start it. To summarize what is already stated in the thread and I simply follow: - Put the RL140 switch button to automatic instead of normal. This is the switch that does have 3 positions on the RL - Connect a relay to the connector 7 and 8 on the big connector blocks - I used this version from Amazon for the relay as recommended in this thread? - I connect the normally open terminal from the relay to the connector 7 - I connected the common terminal from the relay to the connector 8 (does not matter if you connect the other way: common to 7 and normally open to 8) - I used a really cheap remote controlled 110V plug to connect the relay to a 110V wall outlet. You can compare the picture below to the one on the post above and you will see 2 new black wires on connector 7 and 8. Those are 12 avg stranded wires that connect to the relay. I use the same gauge wire as the one already in connector 7 and 8. Here are the pictures:   By the way, the filter on the RL does not looks like any filter I saw on the RL125 or RL160 from pictures posted here. The filter is bolted with about as many as 40 bolts (10 per side) to an opening that is made of the same metal as the RL enclosure. It is not a flimsy support beam. It is a full sheet of metal as wide as the RL and opened in the middle for the filter. The filter is also about 6 inches height with hard edges. I do not see how this filter can bend under pressure and let dust escape to the clean side of the machine. I do not say it cannot leak, but not due to bending or not being seated correctly in the housing. No picture of the filter yet, I will post some later in another thread. Bill
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No grease, they ride in an open carrier against the rails.
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On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:31 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Do the slider carriage bearings not have any grease? I assume these are sealed for life type of bearings. Is there any concern in directing the solvent type spray into the carriage? Just asking as I intend to do thorough cleaning on a used saw I purchased recently.
imran
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That is 100% correct
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 09:03:34 AM PST, Jerry P <jerry-pac-man@...> wrote:
Felder uses roller bearings that are not greased.
https://www.felder-group.com/en-us/products/sliding-table-saws-c1947/sliding-table-panel-saw-k-940-s-p3244
Ballistol very safe to use on anything including
wood, plastic, rubber and leather.? I would not
call it a solvent.
My Hammer B3 uses 1/2" balls for bearings.
I have never lubricated them.? I just fold up?
a wet gun cleaning patch and clean the rails.
I do this a couple of times as I move the slider
to each end of travel.? The smooth motion is
immediately noticed as the balls pick up Ballistol
from the rails.? It is a vey thin film that does not
collect dirt and sawdust.
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Felder uses roller bearings that are not greased.
https://www.felder-group.com/en-us/products/sliding-table-saws-c1947/sliding-table-panel-saw-k-940-s-p3244
Ballistol very safe to use on anything including
wood, plastic, rubber and leather.? I would not
call it a solvent.
My Hammer B3 uses 1/2" balls for bearings.
I have never lubricated them.? I just fold up?
a wet gun cleaning patch and clean the rails.
I do this a couple of times as I move the slider
to each end of travel.? The smooth motion is
immediately noticed as the balls pick up Ballistol
from the rails.? It is a vey thin film that does not
collect dirt and sawdust.
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That's correct..they are round (not a ball) cylinder that are set inside of a plastic carriage type cage .gunk and build up can get inside of these bearings and cause them to not roll as smoothly as they should.. I sprayed the Ballistol inside of these bearings and for a minute they squeaked as I rolled the slider, but quickly went away and now rolls like silk.. I brought this up to the Felder tech and he said that because my saw is 15 years old and probably has never been cleaned, that the hearings probably have some build up in them.. the Ballistol seemed to have fixed this issue for me
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 08:51:38 AM PST, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
Imran, From what I have seen on the xroll they are cylinders held in a cage and not totally enclosed Regards, Mark
On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:31 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Do the slider carriage bearings not have any grease? I assume these are sealed for life type of bearings. Is there any concern in directing the solvent type spray into the carriage? Just asking as I intend to do thorough cleaning on a used saw I purchased recently.
imran
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David P. Best
Rick Levine
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