Re: Air Compressor Big and Small- David Kumm Style
On pressure, I run my Quincy QR325 with a 3HP motor at 400 RPM, soooo quiet at that low RPM.? Also I realized I don¡¯t need 175 psi, just heats up the
air more. I run at 120 psi.? I¡¯ve had no issue for years with an HVLP gun.? If I ever do I can change motors and pulleys and run with 5HP.
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eBay was my solution, reportedly it was new old stock and the various fittings were from automationdirect.com. The main reduction regulator (Input 300 max-output 125 psi) can set up a harmonic in the tank when at full flow and whistle.
I can say the dial regulators are fantastic if you routinely need different pressures (turned off in the image, when the tank is on that gauge will show 80 matching the dial.) The regulators are 1/2" ensuring decent airflow.
 
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Re: Air Compressor Big and Small- David Kumm Style
eBay was my solution, reportedly it was new old stock and the various fittings were from automationdirect.com. The main reduction regulator (Input 300 max-output 125 psi) can set up a harmonic in the tank when at full flow and whistle. I can say the dial regulators are fantastic if you routinely need different pressures (turned off in the image, when the tank is on that gauge will show 80 matching the dial.) The regulators are 1/2" ensuring decent airflow.   -- Mike B
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Re: Auction in WA with unipoint RAS, Lift tables, Altendorf, Resaw Bandsaw Etc
Casadei is made in Italy and owned by SCM.? Newer machines castings can hold an SCM imprint.? Quality of Casadei is high? ? in the Felder, Scm range.
The "new" Casadei machines are close enough to pick up. In particular the F25 tilting shaper currently at $4K. Anyone have experience with the brand and if it is worth pursuing even without a sliding table? Use scenario small shop with furniture making dreams. (Have an old Delta used twice mainly due to the guard being such a pain and having a first piece explode placing it on my most feared machine list. Not worth much to sell and begs to be converted into a router table...too many ideas.) Would add an Aigner guard to any new machine and dream of the tilt up version on the Felder Profil 45 but that's dreaming money.
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Re: Auction in WA with unipoint RAS, Lift tables, Altendorf, Resaw Bandsaw Etc
Hi Mike,
The two wide belt machines that were on this auction were both three belt models. ?Each belt had a separate motor. ?The table belt had a separate motor to move the stock through the machine. ?Like you, I have no practical experience with these machines. ?The control panel for the machine looked like it had controls for each belt. ?Joe Calhoun has a multiple sanding belt machine in his shout in Ouray Colorado. We got to use it during one of the classes I attended. ?His is either a two or three belt machine. ?I don¡¯t recall for certain which. ?Unfortunately, I didn¡¯t think to look and see if it used both belts all the time. ?
It was very useful to rough sand large flat projects, and to some degree to bring those items to a correct thickness. ?I can see a great advantage for production work with one of these machines. ?Unfortunately, they eat a lot of power, and they have rather large dust collection requirements.
Alex
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On Jan 25, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Mike Bemis <Michaelsbemis@...> wrote:
?Since wide belts were mentioned, is it possible to get a multi roller (sanding station) version and run with only one thereby lowering the power draw? Having never seen one I am not clear if they use separate motors for each section or if they are mechanically driven.?
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Sorry Mike, I mixed you up with Mitch, who recently inquired about hooking up STW1K.
Looks like Bill J just posted what you are looking for. I am still curious why you prefer this solution. The remote is designed to fit on the hose and is small. Maybe you plan to have it on yourself, then finding it won¡¯t be an issue.
Just saying, I had the remote for 18 yrs and I love auto start and stop. It avoids the few times I forget to start the DC. Unfortunately, I still have to watch for blast gates ?
Imran
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On Jan 25, 2021, at 9:41 PM, Mike Bemis <Michaelsbemis@...> wrote: ?Imran, The RL 160 is single phase 230V KW 3.0, 60 HZ and 19Amps per the label made in 2017. It has manual filter cleaning and has the auto start selection on the control panel.?I never did connect the STW1K primarily because the machines were mobile and the extension cords were shared with other metalworking equipment not needing dust collection.? The Festool remote which is Bluetooth is this setup part # 202097 and works like a champ on their vacuum. Far more useful than anticipated for cleanup tasks but I digress.
Scott, Thank you for the links, I had only located fragments and I will read the various posts referencing utilizing the iVac and how the wiring diagrams work, hopefully by the end understanding how this thing works.? Does this din rail component meet the $20 part utility?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FKFNQCT/ref=pd_luc_rh_sspa_dk_huc_pt_expsub_0?psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFGNUFSMTdYSUU0OFMmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2MzQ3OTAyME9QWDlDWVZVUkhMJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4Njc4NjIyU0czQ1JETlVSSlY1JndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfaHVjX21yYWkmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl
<Zoom in RL160.jpg> <Inside RL 160.jpg> <Ziehl blue box.jpg> -- Mike B
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Here is the thread for a dump proof remote that was described multiple time in this forum,
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Imran, The RL 160 is single phase 230V KW 3.0, 60 HZ and 19Amps per the label made in 2017. It has manual filter cleaning and has the auto start selection on the control panel.?I never did connect the STW1K primarily because the machines were mobile and the extension cords were shared with other metalworking equipment not needing dust collection.? The Festool remote which is Bluetooth is this setup part # 202097 and works like a champ on their vacuum. Far more useful than anticipated for cleanup tasks but I digress.
Scott, Thank you for the links, I had only located fragments and I will read the various posts referencing utilizing the iVac and how the wiring diagrams work, hopefully by the end understanding how this thing works.? Does this din rail component meet the $20 part utility?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FKFNQCT/ref=pd_luc_rh_sspa_dk_huc_pt_expsub_0?psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFGNUFSMTdYSUU0OFMmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2MzQ3OTAyME9QWDlDWVZVUkhMJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4Njc4NjIyU0czQ1JETlVSSlY1JndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfaHVjX21yYWkmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl
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Re: Air Compressor Big and Small- David Kumm Style
My son bought a used QR325 that had been in a flood.? Bought a rebuild seal kit...many hours of work and it's as good as new. Dave Davies
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 8:16 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
There isn't much to rebuilding the QR series but like everything else, it can be a crap shoot if the piston or bearings are an issue.? the valves are a no brainer to clean up.? the QT is the low end pump and you don't rehab those.? I think the 350 or 370 10
hp pumps are more appropriate for a pressurized blaster but do your homework.? Sometimes you can find a duplex compressor on CL or FB.? Two 325 with one tank.? Use one or both when necessary.? Dave
Dave,
Thanks for the recommendation.? thanks to your previous comments I have my eyes out for one of these 325¡¯s.? I am still building skills, but think I would enjoy the challenge of a rebuild if I can source one.?
I don¡¯t own a blast cabinet yet- waiting for the shop to be built before Ill have the space.? But I am leaning toward a PSBC990 Pressurized pot style cabinet.? Spec sheet claims? 25 CFM @80 PSI with 5MM nozzle, but it also appears that from several users that
the pressurized pot cuts down on that requirement.? Again, I have used blasters, but this will be my first personal setup so I am ridding pretty blind here.?
Anthony
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I have a single phase RL160.? I have to hold the button until it reaches speed.? I plan to move it to the basement very soon and wondered about a remote.?? I'm hoping I can get enough info from this thread for an electrician to be able to make it work ... lol??
Is there a list of parts needed ??
On Monday, January 25, 2021, Mike Bemis < Michaelsbemis@...> wrote: I have a challenge for the electronically inclined members of the forum and am hopeful someone already had this idea. The ultimate goal is to use the very nice Festool remote button to start my single phase 220V RL 160. I don¡¯t want to hard wire any auto starts and while I am open to an off the shelf solution (have not located one) the end goal is the Festool watch face sized button remote with the receiver/pair button being installed in the dust collector (plenty of room to cut an opening and run wiring behind for a clean look.
Parts on hand already secured to facilitate experiments are one Festool remote module kit, one CT 36E dust extractor for power or interface research (of course the one I had was too old and incompatible) , one Ziehl STW1K (the blue brick Felder sells as the interface), one of the inductance coils STWA1, and a doorbell transformer in case it comes down to tricking the Ziehl coil to make a trigger signal. One trial indicated that a one amp draw through the coil at 220v sent out 15v but it was not a precise study.?
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Re: Air Compressor Big and Small- David Kumm Style
There isn't much to rebuilding the QR series but like everything else, it can be a crap shoot if the piston or bearings are an issue.? the valves are a no brainer to clean up.? the QT is the low end pump and you don't rehab those.? I think the 350 or 370 10
hp pumps are more appropriate for a pressurized blaster but do your homework.? Sometimes you can find a duplex compressor on CL or FB.? Two 325 with one tank.? Use one or both when necessary.? Dave
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Dave,
Thanks for the recommendation.? thanks to your previous comments I have my eyes out for one of these 325¡¯s.? I am still building skills, but think I would enjoy the challenge of a rebuild if I can source one.?
I don¡¯t own a blast cabinet yet- waiting for the shop to be built before Ill have the space.? But I am leaning toward a PSBC990 Pressurized pot style cabinet.? Spec sheet claims? 25 CFM @80 PSI with 5MM nozzle, but it also appears that from several users that
the pressurized pot cuts down on that requirement.? Again, I have used blasters, but this will be my first personal setup so I am ridding pretty blind here.?
Anthony
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Re: Air Compressor Big and Small- David Kumm Style
Hey Mike,?
Some really helpful info in this post. ?I hadn¡¯t thought about the regulator issue at 175 psi. ?Thank you for bringing that up. ?Do you recall where you were finally able to source these??
I was leaning toward the same conclusion regarding preserving phase converter capacity. ?Ill continue down this path. ?
thanks again for taking the time,?
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I have a 2011 model year Quincy QT-54 single phase 5HP 220v vertical tank model running on a 20 amp circuit without issue. My use case driving the purchase was to run an automotive HVLP spray gun and plasma cutter both of which made it run near continuously. A 60 gal tank at 175 psi will run brad nailers for ages without running again. Runs "quiet" compared to similar looking box store compressors with a slightly smoother lower pitch running at 1310 rpm and I have it mounted on rubber isolation pads with a section of flexible hose between the tank and distribution manifold . Air spec is 15.7 cfm at 100PSI or 15.2cfm at 175 for reference. Mine is inside and in a dry climate....if it was difficult to access an auto drain would certainly be a recommended upgrade. Single phase was my choice (US Baldor motor) preserving my limited 3 phase converter capacity for other machines running concurrently. The area I found most irritating was locating pressure regulators designed for 175 psi....quite a few retailers list max 145psi rated units alongside compressors putting out more.?
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Re: Air Compressor Big and Small- David Kumm Style
Thanks Mac,?
Would love to put one of these on. ?Any suggestions on this front?
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On Jan 25, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression < airtightclamps@...> wrote:
Hi Anthony, An auto drain my service you just fine. Mac Designing and building for 50 years On Jan 25, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Anthony Quesada <tonymiga2@...> wrote:
? Thanks Dave!?
This is all a new idea to me so trying to get my head around it. ?Very much appreciate the idea and the response.
Anthony? On Jan 25, 2021, at 11:03 AM, David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
That looks close to what I have.? I haven't looked in a hundred years but that gets you there.? I can run both compressors through the dryer but almost never bother with the small Jun Air.? I only run that for pneumatic clamps or nail guns and the use is so little I don't feel the need.? The dryer is used in the summer with the larger compressor.? Dave
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Re: Air Compressor Big and Small- David Kumm Style
Dave,
Thanks for the recommendation. thanks to your previous comments I have my eyes out for one of these 325¡¯s. I am still building skills, but think I would enjoy the challenge of a rebuild if I can source one.
I don¡¯t own a blast cabinet yet- waiting for the shop to be built before Ill have the space. But I am leaning toward a PSBC990 Pressurized pot style cabinet. Spec sheet claims 25 CFM @80 PSI with 5MM nozzle, but it also appears that from several users that the pressurized pot cuts down on that requirement. Again, I have used blasters, but this will be my first personal setup so I am ridding pretty blind here.
Anthony
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Re: Auction in WA with unipoint RAS, Lift tables, Altendorf, Resaw Bandsaw Etc
In my case I believed I won the auction but was outbid right at the end and then the item showed up again on a later auction.? Another person told me the same story.? As with anything on the internet, take my story with a grain of salt.? I contacted them but
got no response so I wrote them off, maybe unfairly.? Dave
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Dave,
?I don't understand "?I've had machinery max bid stuff back?".?
Are you saying that someone that won an item may not get it because Machinery Max didn't think it went for enough so they void the sale?
Thanks,
Dave Davies
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 4:42 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
Keeping watching.? I've had machinery max bid stuff back and it shows up on the net auction.? Dave
Hi Imran,
That auction closed today.? I picked up the 4x8 lift table, disc sander and forklift.? Now just have to get them home during in what is shaping up to be really poor weather.
The wide belt sanders sold for low $$.? I would have loved to get one, except for the fact that upgrades to my electrical system and dust collection would cost much more than the sander.
Alex
On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:45 AM, imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
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Located in Sumner, Washington
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Go the iVac route ( [email protected] | RL-125 Remote start questions), ( [email protected] | Remote starting options for RL200?) It works reliably on these dust collectors and is simple enough that even I could figure it out. The iVac remote itself isn't too different than the Festool. Just bigger. Ultimately, I put the iVac current sensing switches on my Jointer/Planer, Bandsaw, and Tablesaw. I use the remote switch at my lathe and when I need to trigger my RL160 for things like vacuuming up around my lathe, etc.
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Mike,
First, were you able to wire STW1K?
I have heard of Festool bluetooth but not sure if that is what you are referring to. Not that I have researched, but i have not come across many BT solutions, not that it is not possible. Can you share the festool part number?
Please share max current of your RL160 so anyone helping knows how much the switch needs to handle.
I am not sure why you want a manual (remote) solution since you have already purchased STW1K which should allow you to do an auto start/stop.
Imran
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On Jan 25, 2021, at 6:28 PM, Mike Bemis <Michaelsbemis@...> wrote: ?I have a challenge for the electronically inclined members of the forum and am hopeful someone already had this idea. The ultimate goal is to use the very nice Festool remote button to start my single phase 220V RL 160. I don¡¯t want to hard wire any auto starts and while I am open to an off the shelf solution (have not located one) the end goal is the Festool watch face sized button remote with the receiver/pair button being installed in the dust collector (plenty of room to cut an opening and run wiring behind for a clean look.
Parts on hand already secured to facilitate experiments are one Festool remote module kit, one CT 36E dust extractor for power or interface research (of course the one I had was too old and incompatible) , one Ziehl STW1K (the blue brick Felder sells as the interface), one of the inductance coils STWA1, and a doorbell transformer in case it comes down to tricking the Ziehl coil to make a trigger signal. One trial indicated that a one amp draw through the coil at 220v sent out 15v but it was not a precise study.?
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I did a remote on a RL140 single phase based on what others have already done here,
If you look in older message for 2020 you should find this thread. It based on the fact that the RL has an automatic position and with a $20 box item from amazon you can open and close this circuit that start and stop your RL. This #20 box item close and open the RL circuit based on its own connection to a standard 120v socket. If your festool remote can close and open a standard 120v outlet, you are good to go.
Bill
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I have a challenge for the electronically inclined members of the forum and am hopeful someone already had this idea. The ultimate goal is to use the very nice Festool remote button to start my single phase 220V RL 160. I don¡¯t want to hard wire any auto starts and while I am open to an off the shelf solution (have not located one) the end goal is the Festool watch face sized button remote with the receiver/pair button being installed in the dust collector (plenty of room to cut an opening and run wiring behind for a clean look.
Parts on hand already secured to facilitate experiments are one Festool remote module kit, one CT 36E dust extractor for power or interface research (of course the one I had was too old and incompatible) , one Ziehl STW1K (the blue brick Felder sells as the interface), one of the inductance coils STWA1, and a doorbell transformer in case it comes down to tricking the Ziehl coil to make a trigger signal. One trial indicated that a one amp draw through the coil at 220v sent out 15v but it was not a precise study.?
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Re: Auction in WA with unipoint RAS, Lift tables, Altendorf, Resaw Bandsaw Etc
Hi Mike:
My Format-4 Finish 1102 is a two-head machine with one motor that runs both heads. In my case, the heads are mechanically engaged (no transmission) but have an electro-pneumatic system to engage or disengage one head or the other, or both. While I have 3PH, I¡¯m limited by AMP draw capacity, especially on startup. My machine has a 15kW motor which is just adequate. I have to be careful or it bogs down/stalls. I also have a soft-start fitted that helps avoid the massive startup spike (the roller heads are very large and very heavy). It takes 20 seconds or so to start the machine to full speed. When comparing the start process of the WB sander compared to my Dual 51, for example, it is immediately apparent (sound, Amp draw), that the WB requires a great deal more power to start.?
Ideally, a machine of my size, at 1100mm wide, would have at least a 20kW motor, or better, two motors (one for each head) at 15-20kW size. Now that would be wonderful!
So, to answer your question, yes there are ways to reduce AMP draw, but the startup is the most difficult aspect to manage. WB sanders are hungry for power, but do an enormous amount of work. It¡¯s the most valuable machine I own (both cost and physical output or ROI).?
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On 26 Jan 2021, at 9:00 am, Mike Bemis <Michaelsbemis@...> wrote:
?Since wide belts were mentioned, is it possible to get a multi roller (sanding station) version and run with only one thereby lowering the power draw? Having never seen one I am not clear if they use separate motors for each section or if they are mechanically driven.?
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Re: Auction in WA with unipoint RAS, Lift tables, Altendorf, Resaw Bandsaw Etc
Hi Alex, ? Happy to help you spend your money. I spent some today but not for a new toy, my brake board on K975 went kaput L ? Imran ?
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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Alex Bowlds Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 5:39 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Auction in WA with unipoint RAS, Lift tables, Altendorf, Resaw Bandsaw Etc ? Hi Imran, That auction closed today. ?I picked up the 4x8 lift table, disc sander and forklift. ?Now just have to get them home during in what is shaping up to be really poor weather.
The wide belt sanders sold for low $$. ?I would have loved to get one, except for the fact that upgrades to my electrical system and dust collection would cost much more than the sander. ?
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Date: January 25, 2021 at 10:51:00 AM EST
To: imranindiana@...
Subject: Auction closing today! Complete plant closure
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