Glen,
Don't get obsessed with buying the best machine available. ?
It does not make sense to buy a Martin t27 shaper if you are a hobbyist. ?You will be paying for features you will not take advantage of. ?If you have a shop with multiple employees running long hours you get the maximum benefit from a very heavy duty large machine. ?Some of the value of Martin is in the ability to run hour after hour day after day, if you run your shaper a few hours a week you may not need the extra robustness. That said, if I had the space and money was not an issue I would love to have a t27 with tenoning table powered power feeder arm.
One nice thing about heavy robust machines that most here will hopefully never learn about first hand is that a heavy machine is much better when something goes wrong. ?If you are spinning a heavy cutter on a shaper and a knife breaks resulting is an unbalanced spinning object a light machine which worked well with a balanced cutter may start oscillating and the operator will have less time to shut everything down before something fails. ?While it is possible to spin a 40 pound 12" cutter on a single trunnion f700z it is much better to use a Profile 45 in the event that something goes wrong for safety reasons.
I took delivery of a Profile 45z X-motion in March to replace my f700z and am very happy. ?I especially love X-motion control. ?Also, recognize that machines with elaborate control systems may have a limited lifespan. ?What do you do when your touch screen goes out on a 10 year old machine? ?Look at the value of used CNC routers to see what I mean. ?I look for machines with generic modular control system ?components. ?Felder uses such parts and has been good at helping me repair older Felder machines. ?In 2009 Felder's service department provided updated electronics for my year 2000 cf731p combination machine. ?It now has modular electronics that can be easily repaired. ?
Joe in New Orleans?
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I¡¯ll second Dave Kumm¡¯s comment that there isn¡¯t a single brand that is best-in-breed at everything. ? My shop is mostly Felder (Kappa 400 xMotion, Profil 45, Dual 51, RL160), and I have owned various Felder machines since I slipped into the deep end of the pool in 2001. ? Felder isn¡¯t perfect - no company is. ? I have also been a Martin dealer. ?While I respect Martin's in-house machines, they are not without their own quirks, and some of their machines are made by other companies. ? No company covers the equipment territory with all best-in-breed machines. ? Even Marin has disgruntled customers. ? ?
If you have NO BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, you can do better than Felder in almost every category, but not from a single supplier IMO. ? If, on the other hand, you¡¯re looking for exceptional value from a single source, Felder is a great choice for several categories of equipment. ? Felder is also a progressive growth company, comes up with terrific innovations from time to time (Silent Power cutterhead on their J/P¡¯s to name just one), and invests heavily in R&D and manufacturing. ? In contrast, the Martin factory looks like a re-tooled tank manufacturing facility from WWII, and they have had their share management turmoil the past 10 years. ? I don¡¯t want to dis Martin, they do make great machines, but they come at a price, and not everything in their line is on par.
Your Felder shopping list looks good. ? I would encourage you to consider an RL250 or the Al-Ko dust collector system instead of RL200. ? I¡¯d consider alternatives to the FW950 for all the reasons mentioned by Lucky. ? I don¡¯t know what an FB190 is, but if you¡¯re looking for a bandsaw, the newer 24¡± machines from a number of suppliers are all basically the same IMO - minor variations, everyone chasing maximum resaw capacity. ? Felder used to OEM ACM bandsaws, now they make their own. ? Edgebanding machines are temperamental beasts and if you¡¯re thinking of going into cabinet production full time, I¡¯d encourage you to buy from a vendor who provides local support with 24 hour on-call service (which Felder does not have). ? John Ferandin (here on FOG) has recent experience with the Forka and might comment - trust his comments, he¡¯s not easily bullshitted. ? Before you settle on the FAT300, have a good long look at Barth (available from Rangate or Martin). ? I have the Barth 500V and it¡¯s my constant companion in the shop, even though I choked hard on the price, it¡¯s worth it IMO.
Tooling your equipment is another deep subculture, and worthy of lots of thought and discussion before you buy. ? Mac¡¯s Airtight Clamps are a ¡°must have¡± IMO. ? There are better alternatives to the Felder parallel fence system from Brian and Mac (both here on FOG). ?Aigner¡¯s catalog will drain your bank account quickly unless you know more about how you¡¯re going to work, you¡¯ll be convinced you need everything they make. ? Rangate is a good source for shaper tooling and other goodies including Barth, Zuani, and they are very service oriented.
Harry at Felder is a terrific guy, and is one of a select few customer-facing people at Felder who actually knows woodworking and can convey the benefits of the equipment to an honest woodworker. ?He is one hell of a nice guy, but a sales person nonetheless. ? Do your homework.
If you have specific questions on equipment or options, sing out - there are plenty of great resources right here on FOG to help spend your money.
David Best
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I¡¯ll second Dave Kumm¡¯s comment that there isn¡¯t a single brand that is best-in-breed at everything. ? My shop is mostly Felder (Kappa 400 xMotion, Profil 45, Dual 51, RL160), and I have owned various Felder machines since I slipped into the deep end of the pool in 2001. ? Felder isn¡¯t perfect - no company is. ? I have also been a Martin dealer. ?While I respect Martin's in-house machines, they are not without their own quirks, and some of their machines are made by other companies. ? No company covers the equipment territory with all best-in-breed machines. ? Even Marin has disgruntled customers. ? ?
If you have NO BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, you can do better than Felder in almost every category, but not from a single supplier IMO. ? If, on the other hand, you¡¯re looking for exceptional value from a single source, Felder is a great choice for several categories of equipment. ? Felder is also a progressive growth company, comes up with terrific innovations from time to time (Silent Power cutterhead on their J/P¡¯s to name just one), and invests heavily in R&D and manufacturing. ? In contrast, the Martin factory looks like a re-tooled tank manufacturing facility from WWII, and they have had their share management turmoil the past 10 years. ? I don¡¯t want to dis Martin, they do make great machines, but they come at a price, and not everything in their line is on par.
Your Felder shopping list looks good. ? I would encourage you to consider an RL250 or the Al-Ko dust collector system instead of RL200. ? I¡¯d consider alternatives to the FW950 for all the reasons mentioned by Lucky. ? I don¡¯t know what an FB190 is, but if you¡¯re looking for a bandsaw, the newer 24¡± machines from a number of suppliers are all basically the same IMO - minor variations, everyone chasing maximum resaw capacity. ? Felder used to OEM ACM bandsaws, now they make their own. ? Edgebanding machines are temperamental beasts and if you¡¯re thinking of going into cabinet production full time, I¡¯d encourage you to buy from a vendor who provides local support with 24 hour on-call service (which Felder does not have). ? John Ferandin (here on FOG) has recent experience with the Forka and might comment - trust his comments, he¡¯s not easily bullshitted. ? Before you settle on the FAT300, have a good long look at Barth (available from Rangate or Martin). ? I have the Barth 500V and it¡¯s my constant companion in the shop, even though I choked hard on the price, it¡¯s worth it IMO.
Tooling your equipment is another deep subculture, and worthy of lots of thought and discussion before you buy. ? Mac¡¯s Airtight Clamps are a ¡°must have¡± IMO. ? There are better alternatives to the Felder parallel fence system from Brian and Mac (both here on FOG). ?Aigner¡¯s catalog will drain your bank account quickly unless you know more about how you¡¯re going to work, you¡¯ll be convinced you need everything they make. ? Rangate is a good source for shaper tooling and other goodies including Barth, Zuani, and they are very service oriented.
Harry at Felder is a terrific guy, and is one of a select few customer-facing people at Felder who actually knows woodworking and can convey the benefits of the equipment to an honest woodworker. ?He is one hell of a nice guy, but a sales person nonetheless. ? Do your homework.
If you have specific questions on equipment or options, sing out - there are plenty of great resources right here on FOG to help spend your money.
David Best
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Glen, I'd ask if there is a reason to buy all machines from one company.? As great as Felder is, I don't believe every machine in every line is the best choice.? I don't think any company can claim that.? I'd also ask why the jointer planer combo if you
have the room for separates.? Given your high end budget, spend some time looking at how each machine is built relative to the competition and then decide.? Felder makes some machines that when on sale are terrific values ( Kappa saw is one ) but others that
I don't feel lead the pack.? Same for SCM, Griggio, Casadei, even Martin.? Same for cars.? Dave
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Thank you David for welcoming me aboard,
I have looked at a lot of different companies over the last year, and i really like The Felder company. I have been to there offices in Sacramento, Ca? a few times, what really sold me was Harry? was out from Austria getting ready for a trade show in Florida
and I knew he was there for other things but , he spent the day with me and we took apart a 700SP and he gave me more knowledge in that six hours then I have had in my life time. with that I am sold.
So here I go:
Things have changed in woodworking in fifteen years, so I now have a learning curve.
My Purchase Order with Felder is (still working on options and tooling)?
Kappa 400 X Motion
AD 951 or 741
Profil 45 Z X motion
Forka 300 s Eco
FW 950 Classic ( not on my purchase order but maybe some day()
FB190
RL200
Fat300 for 2
The building has 3 phase 480.
?
I will have about 2400 Sq Ft not including office space that I don't? need
As for what i am going to build, that is the big unknown, I have ideas and I will make it work
I can build one hell of a table beyond that the learning curve starts
Glen?
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From: David Luckensmeyer dhluckens@... [felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...>
To: felder-woodworking < felder-woodworking@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
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Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We
can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East
coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in
the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Practice Manager
Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd
?
and
Designer and Woodworker
Original Designs in Wood
?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could
get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking
for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
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From: James Zhu ?james.zhu2@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...>
To: ?phil_moger@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector?
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I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
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Hi Glen,
Welcome to the group.? As others have said, you will find it very friendly and informative.
As a hobby user, who gets out to her workshop far too infrequently at the moment, I'm probably the least qualified respondent, but will throw in a few thoughts.? My Felder kit consists of KF700SP (2008 vintage), AD941 and RL200.
I endorse the view to go for separates rather than combination machines as space doesn't seem to be an issue for you.
You suggest either the AD741 or AD951, missing out the 941, assuming you stick with a combination machine in this instance.? Whichever you opt for, do at least have the "powerdrive" option.? I couldn't justify the 951, but "digidrive" would have been nice to have and is not an option on the '41s.? Don't consider anything other than the Silent Power spiral cutter head!? The mounting rails for extension tables?are worth having.? (In the past I've bought sets of these rails to fit to non-Felder machines just so that I can use the extension tables I have across a range of machines.)? The only issue I've had with the AD941 so far is that I do find the planer tables a bit heavy to lift in order to go to thicknesser mode.? You're probably rather stronger than me, but perhaps still an issue as we all get older.? (I had it in the back of my mind that there was a power lift option on the 951, but can't now find this mentioned anywhere, so perhaps my memory playing up again.)
Whichever saw you go for, do take the advice of getting pneumatic clamps.? Being in the UK rather than the US, I've added the Felder ones rather than Mac's, but note that everyone who has Mac's version speaks very highly of them.? Whatever, just get rid of the basic eccentric clamp that Felder supply!
For the spindle moulder (shaper in US-speak), consider the Aigner ("Integral") fence plates.? Fairly pricey, but nice to have.
I'm happy with the RL200.? I opted for the pneumatic auto-cleaning system for the filters.? Nice feature and only needs a trivial amount of compressed air, which I'm sure won't be an issue for you.? As with others, I have noted a degree of unevenness in the way the 2 bins fill.? Also, you must take care with aligning the bins after changing the bags.? They rely upon a suction feed to keep the bags in place - otherwise they suck up against the filters and you get a workshop floor covered in sawdust.? The suction feeds from the machine must line up with the sockets in the bin frame, but there's enough lateral free-play for this not to occur if you're not careful.? (Thought to self:? I must check to see if there's some adjustment I can make to reduce the lateral tolerance and overcome this problem.)
As you have 3-phase power, I'm sure everyone will advise you to go for 3-phase machines across the board.
Julie
From: "GLEN chris3645@... [felder-woodworking]" To: felder-woodworking@...
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016, 2:14
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
Thank you David for welcoming me aboard,
I have looked at a lot of different companies over the last year, and i really like The Felder company. I have been to there offices in Sacramento, Ca? a few times, what really sold me was Harry? was out from Austria getting ready for a trade show in Florida and I knew he was there for other things but , he spent the day with me and we took apart a 700SP and he gave me more knowledge in that six hours then I have had in my life time. with that I am sold.
So here I go:
Things have changed in woodworking in fifteen years, so I now have a learning curve.
My Purchase Order with Felder is (still working on options and tooling)?
Kappa 400 X Motion
AD 951 or 741
Profil 45 Z X motion
Forka 300 s Eco
FW 950 Classic ( not on my purchase order but maybe some day()
FB190
RL200
Fat300 for 2
The building has 3 phase 480.
?
I will have about 2400 Sq Ft not including office space that I don't? need
As for what i am going to build, that is the big unknown, I have ideas and I will make it work
I can build one hell of a table beyond that the learning curve starts
Glen?
-----Original Message-----
From: David Luckensmeyer dhluckens@... [felder-woodworking]
To: felder-woodworking
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Practice Manager
Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd
?
and
Designer and Woodworker
Original Designs in Wood
?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
-----Original Message----- From: James Zhu ?james.zhu2@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> To: ?phil_moger@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:16 am Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector?
?
I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
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Some Martin machines are rebadged Griggio so you have to know what you are looking at even with Martin.? Hoffmann will argue they are superior to Martin, just not available here.? My point is to do lots of homework, at least until you have more retirement
assets than needed.? Dave
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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 12:32 AM
To: phil_moger@... [felder-woodworking]
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
?
Martin does not make all the woodworking machines, but for all the machines and accessories??has on their websites, IMO they are
the best in the world.
If money is not an issue, and you want the best, it is a trivial task, just check ?.
James
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Martin does not make all the woodworking machines, but for all the machines and accessories??has on their websites, IMO they are the best in the world.
If money is not an issue, and you want the best, it is a trivial task, just check ?.
James
?
Glen, I'd ask if there is a reason to buy all machines from one company.? As great as Felder is, I don't believe every machine in every line is the best choice.? I don't think any company can claim that.? I'd also ask why the jointer planer combo if you
have the room for separates.? Given your high end budget, spend some time looking at how each machine is built relative to the competition and then decide.? Felder makes some machines that when on sale are terrific values ( Kappa saw is one ) but others that
I don't feel lead the pack.? Same for SCM, Griggio, Casadei, even Martin.? Same for cars.? Dave
?
Thank you David for welcoming me aboard,
I have looked at a lot of different companies over the last year, and i really like The Felder company. I have been to there offices in Sacramento, Ca? a few times, what really sold me was Harry? was out from Austria getting ready for a trade show in Florida
and I knew he was there for other things but , he spent the day with me and we took apart a 700SP and he gave me more knowledge in that six hours then I have had in my life time. with that I am sold.
So here I go:
Things have changed in woodworking in fifteen years, so I now have a learning curve.
My Purchase Order with Felder is (still working on options and tooling)?
Kappa 400 X Motion
AD 951 or 741
Profil 45 Z X motion
Forka 300 s Eco
FW 950 Classic ( not on my purchase order but maybe some day()
FB190
RL200
Fat300 for 2
The building has 3 phase 480.
?
I will have about 2400 Sq Ft not including office space that I don't? need
As for what i am going to build, that is the big unknown, I have ideas and I will make it work
I can build one hell of a table beyond that the learning curve starts
Glen?
-----Original Message-----
From: David Luckensmeyer dhluckens@... [felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
To: felder-woodworking < felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We
can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East
coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in
the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Practice Manager
Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd
?
and
Designer and Woodworker
Original Designs in Wood
?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could
get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking
for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
|
Glen, I'd ask if there is a reason to buy all machines from one company.? As great as Felder is, I don't believe every machine in every line is the best choice.? I don't think any company can claim that.? I'd also ask why the jointer planer combo if you
have the room for separates.? Given your high end budget, spend some time looking at how each machine is built relative to the competition and then decide.? Felder makes some machines that when on sale are terrific values ( Kappa saw is one ) but others that
I don't feel lead the pack.? Same for SCM, Griggio, Casadei, even Martin.? Same for cars.? Dave
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From: felder-woodworking@... on behalf of GLEN chris3645@... [felder-woodworking]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:14 PM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
?
Thank you David for welcoming me aboard,
I have looked at a lot of different companies over the last year, and i really like The Felder company. I have been to there offices in Sacramento, Ca? a few times, what really sold me was Harry? was out from Austria getting ready for a trade show in Florida
and I knew he was there for other things but , he spent the day with me and we took apart a 700SP and he gave me more knowledge in that six hours then I have had in my life time. with that I am sold.
So here I go:
Things have changed in woodworking in fifteen years, so I now have a learning curve.
My Purchase Order with Felder is (still working on options and tooling)?
Kappa 400 X Motion
AD 951 or 741
Profil 45 Z X motion
Forka 300 s Eco
FW 950 Classic ( not on my purchase order but maybe some day()
FB190
RL200
Fat300 for 2
The building has 3 phase 480.
?
I will have about 2400 Sq Ft not including office space that I don't? need
As for what i am going to build, that is the big unknown, I have ideas and I will make it work
I can build one hell of a table beyond that the learning curve starts
Glen?
-----Original Message-----
From: David Luckensmeyer dhluckens@... [felder-woodworking]
To: felder-woodworking <felder-woodworking@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We
can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East
coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in
the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Practice Manager
Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd
?
and
Designer and Woodworker
Original Designs in Wood
?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could
get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking
for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
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From: James Zhu ?james.zhu2@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...>
To: ?phil_moger@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector?
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I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
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This is absolutely a very nice purchase list of the machines that many pro shops do not have.
I can see you love high quality machines, you probably should take a look at Martin? as well, they have all the best machines, yes, more expensive though.
Never heard anyone complained about their Martin machines.
James
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 9:14 PM, GLEN chris3645@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Thank you David for welcoming me aboard,
I have looked at a lot of different companies over the last year, and i really like The Felder company. I have been to there offices in Sacramento, Ca? a few times, what really sold me was Harry? was out from Austria getting ready for a trade show in Florida and I knew he was there for other things but , he spent the day with me and we took apart a 700SP and he gave me more knowledge in that six hours then I have had in my life time. with that I am sold.
So here I go:
Things have changed in woodworking in fifteen years, so I now have a learning curve.
My Purchase Order with Felder is (still working on options and tooling)?
Kappa 400 X Motion
AD 951 or 741
Profil 45 Z X motion
Forka 300 s Eco
FW 950 Classic ( not on my purchase order but maybe some day()
FB190
RL200
Fat300 for 2
The building has 3 phase 480.
?
I will have about 2400 Sq Ft not including office space that I don't? need
As for what i am going to build, that is the big unknown, I have ideas and I will make it work
I can build one hell of a table beyond that the learning curve starts
Glen?
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From: David Luckensmeyer dhluckens@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
To: felder-woodworking <felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Practice Manager
Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd
?
and
Designer and Woodworker
Original Designs in Wood
?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
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Glen:
Nice ¡°to-purchase¡± list!
Several of us have the Kappa 400 x motion, including myself. But the person you really want to take advice from? David Best. Seriously consider every piece of advice he gives you as he does not tell you what he would buy, but rather considers your situation and advises you on what he would buy in your situation. His advice is worth a great deal and I am grateful for his contributions to my shop and to me personally.
Make sure you buy Mac¡¯s pneumatic clamps. If you¡¯re going the x-motion, you can afford his clamps. Clamps are not ¡°optional¡± and Mac¡¯s are the best of the best.
You reference the AD951 or AD741. I have a Dual-51 and love it. My understanding from others is that the AD951 is going for a special deal at the moment. You should strongly consider at least ¡°power-drive¡±. I have ¡°digi-drive¡± which is even better again. Many on the FOG do not have digi-drive and therefore do not automatically recommend it. It is absolutely worth the money (in my opinion) in a commercial (my) situation. Complete luxury in your (nearly retired) situation. It¡¯s up to you, but if you would like more information on why I like the digi, let me know.
I have the Profil 45Z x-motion. Great choice. It¡¯s an awesome machine. Listen to the guys here about what tooling to purchase. My vote is for Felder or Rangate. Both are great. There¡¯s also a lot of accessories and options for this machine, some of which cannot be added later. Happy to help when you narrow down what you want.
I can¡¯t help you with the Forka. But I think John Ferandin has just had direct experience with one. John, what is the final verdict on the machine?
FW950 Classic. I have this machine, and would not buy it again. If I could get my money back I would. It is a faulty sander, briefly as follows:
- It requires roughly double the amperage it says it needs on the machine/motor plate in order to start. There is something wrong with the star/delta start, or otherwise. I have followed this up at length with Felder, and even the motor manufacturer. In the end, I have installed an expensive (here in Australia) 40A supply dedicated to the sander. It should work on a 20A circuit.
- The digital readout is relative only. It cannot be zeroed out without removing an access panel and literally fiddling with the rod and adjusting nuts attached to the readout. Seems misleading to me.
- The grit and platen compensation on the machine is not calibrated correctly, and cannot be adjusted. Consequently, if you finally get the digital readout to be correct for say 80 grit, it will be off for other grits (e.g. 180). Likewise, if you finally get the readout zeroed for calibration sanding with the rubber roller, it will be off for the platen, and vice versa. Not well thought through.
- The biggest and most damning feature of all is that the platen on this sander is faulty. David Best has generously worked through multiple adjustment tests with me, to try to get the sander to sand ¡°flat¡±, all to no avail. This sander rounds the edges (along the sides) of a board no matter what is done, regardless of the pressure used, or adjustment settings. This is VERY frustrating.
In all, the FW950 Classic is faulty. Utterly so. I now wish I had spent more for another brand. End rant.
FB190? This must be a typo. I have a vintage FB540 which is no longer made and absolutely love the bandsaw. My next bandsaw will simply be a bigger one from Felder.
I used to have an RL160, which was nice, but I now have an RL250, which is VERY nice. Would I buy this machine again? NO. I was advised to look seriously at AL-KO, and now I wish I had. The RL units are very nice, but their bins fill up unevenly, and it is very easy to make a mess of things with sawdust and chips climbing unevenly up one side of bins and in amongst the filters¡ Takes quite a while to clean. I do like the power of the RL250, and many here love their RL200, so if you decide to buy the 200, you¡¯ll be in good company. Just beware that the RL units do have issues.
Fat300. Lucky you. They¡¯ve never sold one in Australia. They look a very nice table. I¡¯ve long looked into cheaper (local) and more expensive (e.g. Barth) alternatives, but have yet to pull the trigger.
My oh my, are you having fun with all these decisions! I¡¯m having fun just typing about it! :-)
Lucky
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Thank you David for welcoming me aboard,
I have looked at a lot of different companies over the last year, and i really like The Felder company. I have been to there offices in Sacramento, Ca? a few times, what really sold me was Harry? was out from Austria getting ready for a trade show in Florida and I knew he was there for other things but , he spent the day with me and we took apart a 700SP and he gave me more knowledge in that six hours then I have had in my life time. with that I am sold.?
So here I go:
Things have changed in woodworking in fifteen years, so I now have a learning curve.
My Purchase Order with Felder is (still working on options and tooling)??
Kappa 400 X Motion
AD 951 or 741
Profil 45 Z X motion
Forka 300 s Eco
FW 950 Classic ( not on my purchase order but maybe some day()
FB190
RL200
Fat300 for 2?
The building has 3 phase 480.
?
I will have about 2400 Sq Ft not including office space that I don't? need
As for what i am going to build, that is the big unknown, I have ideas and I will make it work?
I can build one hell of a table beyond that the learning curve starts
Glen??
-----Original Message----- From: David Luckensmeyer ?dhluckens@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> To: felder-woodworking < felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 5:00 pm Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all, ?Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards, David
Dr David Luckensmeyer Practice Manager Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd ?
and
Designer and Woodworker Original Designs in Wood ?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
-----Original Message----- From: James Zhu ?james.zhu2@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> To: ?phil_moger@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:16 am Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector? ?I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
|
Thank you David for welcoming me aboard,
I have looked at a lot of different companies over the last year, and i really like The Felder company. I have been to there offices in Sacramento, Ca? a few times, what really sold me was Harry? was out from Austria getting ready for a trade show in Florida and I knew he was there for other things but , he spent the day with me and we took apart a 700SP and he gave me more knowledge in that six hours then I have had in my life time. with that I am sold.
So here I go:
Things have changed in woodworking in fifteen years, so I now have a learning curve.
My Purchase Order with Felder is (still working on options and tooling)?
Kappa 400 X Motion
AD 951 or 741
Profil 45 Z X motion
Forka 300 s Eco
FW 950 Classic ( not on my purchase order but maybe some day()
FB190
RL200
Fat300 for 2
The building has 3 phase 480.
?
I will have about 2400 Sq Ft not including office space that I don't? need
As for what i am going to build, that is the big unknown, I have ideas and I will make it work
I can build one hell of a table beyond that the learning curve starts
Glen?
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From: David Luckensmeyer dhluckens@... [felder-woodworking]
To: felder-woodworking
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Practice Manager
Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd
?
and
Designer and Woodworker
Original Designs in Wood
?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
-----Original Message----- From: James Zhu ?james.zhu2@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> To: ?phil_moger@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:16 am Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector?
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I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
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I have had Felder machines since 2008, 8 to be exact. All work well but my next go round will be Martin. I always buy when there is a special and never paid their full price.?
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Glen, ? The shop tour you really want to see is Lucky's shop tour.? He has some impressive Felder machines. Dave
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Glen, ? The shop tour you really want to see is Lucky's shop tour.? He has some impressive Felder machines. Dave
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 7:07 PM, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote: Glen, ? ?Now is the time to buy the Kappa 400 if they still have 60th anniversary pricing on the saw.? You didn't say where you are or perhaps I missed it but the Dallas showroom has one with all the bells and whistles on their floor.? AD941 is also a good price now ($4K less than what I paid -- darn it).? Workshop size is everything.? Bigger is better.? If my shop were bigger I'd have the Kappa and would be selling my KF700S but the Kappa just won't fit.? Kind of speaks to whether or not we'd buy another Felder.? My shop is awash in Felder
Dave
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Glen, ? ?Now is the time to buy the Kappa 400 if they still have 60th anniversary pricing on the saw.? You didn't say where you are or perhaps I missed it but the Dallas showroom has one with all the bells and whistles on their floor.? AD941 is also a good price now ($4K less than what I paid -- darn it).? Workshop size is everything.? Bigger is better.? If my shop were bigger I'd have the Kappa and would be selling my KF700S but the Kappa just won't fit.? Kind of speaks to whether or not we'd buy another Felder.? My shop is awash in Felder
Dave
?
Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards, David
Dr David Luckensmeyer Practice Manager Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd ?
and
Designer and Woodworker Original Designs in Wood ?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
|
Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards, David
Dr David Luckensmeyer Practice Manager Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd ?
and
Designer and Woodworker Original Designs in Wood ?
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I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
-----Original Message----- From: James Zhu ?james.zhu2@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> To: ?phil_moger@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:16 am Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector? ?I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
|
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
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From: James Zhu james.zhu2@... [felder-woodworking]
To: phil_moger@... [felder-woodworking]
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector?
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I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
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Re: See the new dust collector?
I agree James, but in today's world when your trying to sell equipment with a high price tag don't you think that you would him at least checked what the rocket scientists in marketing department were putting out there on the web. LOL. ?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "James Zhu james.zhu2@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> Date: 2016-11-29 12:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "phil_moger@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector?
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I think it is a typo.?
If it was 5 micron, I do not think the owner of bridge city would buy it because he is allergic to wood dust as mentioned in the following review of his new dust collector.
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Re: See the new dust collector?
I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:16 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote: I think it is a typo.?
If it was 5 micron, I do not think the owner of bridge city would buy it because he is allergic to wood dust as mentioned in the following review of his new dust collector.
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Re: See the new dust collector?
I think it is a typo.?
If it was 5 micron, I do not think the owner of bridge city would buy it because he is allergic to wood dust as mentioned in the following review of his new dust collector.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 10:21 AM, andy.giddings@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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As the filter appears to be 5 micron, seems more like a large dust distributor than a collector :-) Hope that's a misprint
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Re: agazzani BS ( & Other) BS owners
I've always assumed these pieces were just a (European?) safety rule to stop an idiot putting their hand through and contacting the tool.? I once mentioned this at a tool show and the unofficial advice I was given was just to break it out! Julie
From: "jontathan samways jonathansamways@... [felder-woodworking]"
To: felder-woodworking@...
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2016, 16:31
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] agazzani BS ( & Other) BS owners
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Cliff,
My kf700 had the same setup in the slindle moulder shoot, I? took them straigt out,didn't want it clogging up!
I wondered if the x was just part of the way the shoot was manufactured, and was not taken out in the factory ?
Jonathan Samways
Fine Interior Woodwork
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Re: agazzani BS ( & Other) BS owners
Cliff,
My kf700 had the same setup in the slindle moulder shoot, I? took them straigt out,didn't want it clogging up!
I wondered if the x was just part of the way the shoot was manufactured, and was not taken out in the factory ?
Jonathan Samways
Fine Interior Woodwork
On 29 Nov 2016 16:18, "Cliff rohrabacher@... [felder-woodworking]" < felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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I got these two dust evacuation chutes. In ten there is molded in
plastic an X pattern presumably to keep chunks from being sucked up and
hitting a cheap plastic impeller.
Problems is when Sawing wet logs for processing on the lathe the wood
is often stringy as it comes off the blade and gets wrapped around
these X parts clogging them and quickly closing the ducts off completely.
So my question is - - have you cut them out and found the polymer DC
chute did not collapse? I'm about to cut mine out and take the chance.
I don't have the impeller problem. I can send rocks through my DC with
no ill effect.
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Re: See the new dust collector?
I think the Harvey guy is Ben Chan and they sell a bunch of stuff direct through their website.? I was interested in the overarm saw guard as I liked the design but it wouldn't cover the 16-18" blades I work with.? Chan was pretty responsive though and seemed
OK to deal with.? Dave
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From: felder-woodworking@... on behalf of John Kee jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:15 AM
To: FOG
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] See the new dust collector?
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Here's the original specs from the manufacturer. I heard about these units early in the summer and did some looking, 100% Chinese.
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www.harveymachinery.com
GYRO AIR G700. A Revolutionary Dust Processor . In a woodworking shop, wood dusts are always a big problem for woodworkers. Flying dust particles can severely harm ...
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New design but really how good for the price. They measure filtering at?0.05mg/m?, whatever that actually coverts to in microns.
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David P. Best
David Luckensmeyer