If I remember correctly, the new car prep mechanic would remove the brackets when he did the prep.? ?I believe that it may have been part of the prep procedure.
Bill ?
On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 10:30:58 AM EDT, D. Hadley via groups.io <dhadley390@...> wrote:
Gary,
You are correct. The lift pates/hooks are bent (with a press) and angled (cut/stamped out) as needed for engine and application with a top hole stamped out big enough for the lift hooks to hook to. They are bolted to the exhaust manifold bolts typically.
As FYI, the factory had and has been known to have removed one or both lift plates. It's totally random. So it is entirely possible your car never left the factory with the lift plates/brackets. And as such, IF that was the case one could argue that putting them on wouldn't be correct for that specific car.
Based on the few pics I have of the engine compartment on my '68 Fairlane 500 302, it only has one lift plate/bracket still attached on the passenger side. I don't believe the engine has ever been out of the car. IIRC my '87 LTD Crown Vic wagon's 302/5.0L has both lift plates/brackets still on the engine.
Also IF the car was serviced, like engine work, the shop and/or owner of the car may have removed them and never reinstalled.
The best way would be to remove the lift plates and put the paper such that it lays exactly to all the contour bends of the lift plate, then draw trace the outline, holes AND mark with a fill line where each bend is. In theory that should get you close to the correct length of the metal before bending it.
Once you have the laser cut CNC program file, please save it as some here might also need those lift plates made also and may be able to use that program/file to have some laser cut locally to them.
David from WNY
On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 08:33:51 PM EDT, Gary Wittman via groups.io <gary.wittman@...> wrote:
I should be able to figure out a way to locate the holes dimensionally.? I am not familiar with the lift brackets for the 428CJ.? My guess is it would be the bracket the fits between the motor mount and subframe, but a paper template is normally flat and the part I am envisioning is not flat.?
The only time I worked in that area was many years ago when I replaced the starter electrical wire.? I may recognize what the lift bracket is when I get the car up on my lift, but it would be nice if you could give me some more details about it.
Gary in SoCal
On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 02:36:51 PM PDT, Linc <linc@...> wrote:
Two thing on that, ?it 'could' be done on the engine, but the area around the bolt holes will be difficult with bolts through them. ?The second thing is that I am not in a hurry, and there is still plenty of time. --
============================================================ I am Linc..... What more could you possibly need to know?============================================================
On Sat, 2024-07-06 at 01:32 +0000, Gary Wittman via groups.io wrote: Linc,
Is that possible to do with the engine in the vehicle?? Since I have not ever pulled the engine, I don't even know what they look like.? I can do it if it can be done in the vehicle.? It might be a while before I can do it though.? My lift is inaccessible due to some construction I am having done.??
Gary in SoCal
On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 05:17:30 PM PDT, Linc <linc@...> wrote:
Hello,
I am looking to see if someone is willing to make a paper template of the 428 CJ Engine lift brackets. ?I am going to CNC plasma cut them since I am too cheap to buy real or reproduction ones. ?:)
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Hi Gene.? If you were looking for new reproductions then Auto Krafters
has three options depending on which style mirror you were looking for.?
It looks like all three are in stock, too.
Same as above but with flat glass:
Tony
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On 7/6/2024 6:27 PM, gwojtyna@... wrote: Does anyone have a nice right side door mirror for a 68 Torino. Does
not have to be a remote control. Appreciate any response.
Gene
68 GT Convertable
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OK, now I know what we are talking about. For some reason, I thought they were part of the motor mount that raised the engine to the proper height.? Now that I know it is the brackets used for lifting the engine, I am pretty sure my Cobra does not have them.??
These have been discussed somewhere (maybe the FE forum) in the past and I discovered I did not have them.? I will look again to make sure, but it looks like I will not be able to help you Linc.
Thanks for the clarification, Dave.? I should have known what they were.??
Gary in SoCal
On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 07:30:58 AM PDT, D. Hadley via groups.io <dhadley390@...> wrote:
Gary,
You are correct. The lift pates/hooks are bent (with a press) and angled (cut/stamped out) as needed for engine and application with a top hole stamped out big enough for the lift hooks to hook to. They are bolted to the exhaust manifold bolts typically.
As FYI, the factory had and has been known to have removed one or both lift plates. It's totally random. So it is entirely possible your car never left the factory with the lift plates/brackets. And as such, IF that was the case one could argue that putting them on wouldn't be correct for that specific car.
Based on the few pics I have of the engine compartment on my '68 Fairlane 500 302, it only has one lift plate/bracket still attached on the passenger side. I don't believe the engine has ever been out of the car. IIRC my '87 LTD Crown Vic wagon's 302/5.0L has both lift plates/brackets still on the engine.
Also IF the car was serviced, like engine work, the shop and/or owner of the car may have removed them and never reinstalled.
The best way would be to remove the lift plates and put the paper such that it lays exactly to all the contour bends of the lift plate, then draw trace the outline, holes AND mark with a fill line where each bend is. In theory that should get you close to the correct length of the metal before bending it.
Once you have the laser cut CNC program file, please save it as some here might also need those lift plates made also and may be able to use that program/file to have some laser cut locally to them.
David from WNY
On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 08:33:51 PM EDT, Gary Wittman via groups.io <gary.wittman@...> wrote:
I should be able to figure out a way to locate the holes dimensionally.? I am not familiar with the lift brackets for the 428CJ.? My guess is it would be the bracket the fits between the motor mount and subframe, but a paper template is normally flat and the part I am envisioning is not flat.?
The only time I worked in that area was many years ago when I replaced the starter electrical wire.? I may recognize what the lift bracket is when I get the car up on my lift, but it would be nice if you could give me some more details about it.
Gary in SoCal
On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 02:36:51 PM PDT, Linc <linc@...> wrote:
Two thing on that, ?it 'could' be done on the engine, but the area around the bolt holes will be difficult with bolts through them. ?The second thing is that I am not in a hurry, and there is still plenty of time. --
============================================================ I am Linc..... What more could you possibly need to know?============================================================
On Sat, 2024-07-06 at 01:32 +0000, Gary Wittman via groups.io wrote: Linc,
Is that possible to do with the engine in the vehicle?? Since I have not ever pulled the engine, I don't even know what they look like.? I can do it if it can be done in the vehicle.? It might be a while before I can do it though.? My lift is inaccessible due to some construction I am having done.??
Gary in SoCal
On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 05:17:30 PM PDT, Linc <linc@...> wrote:
Hello,
I am looking to see if someone is willing to make a paper template of the 428 CJ Engine lift brackets. ?I am going to CNC plasma cut them since I am too cheap to buy real or reproduction ones. ?:)
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Gary,
You are correct. The lift pates/hooks are bent (with a press) and angled (cut/stamped out) as needed for engine and application with a top hole stamped out big enough for the lift hooks to hook to. They are bolted to the exhaust manifold bolts typically.
As FYI, the factory had and has been known to have removed one or both lift plates. It's totally random. So it is entirely possible your car never left the factory with the lift plates/brackets. And as such, IF that was the case one could argue that putting them on wouldn't be correct for that specific car.
Based on the few pics I have of the engine compartment on my '68 Fairlane 500 302, it only has one lift plate/bracket still attached on the passenger side. I don't believe the engine has ever been out of the car. IIRC my '87 LTD Crown Vic wagon's 302/5.0L has both lift plates/brackets still on the engine.
Also IF the car was serviced, like engine work, the shop and/or owner of the car may have removed them and never reinstalled.
The best way would be to remove the lift plates and put the paper such that it lays exactly to all the contour bends of the lift plate, then draw trace the outline, holes AND mark with a fill line where each bend is. In theory that should get you close to the correct length of the metal before bending it.
Once you have the laser cut CNC program file, please save it as some here might also need those lift plates made also and may be able to use that program/file to have some laser cut locally to them.
David from WNY
On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 08:33:51 PM EDT, Gary Wittman via groups.io <gary.wittman@...> wrote:
I should be able to figure out a way to locate the holes dimensionally.? I am not familiar with the lift brackets for the 428CJ.? My guess is it would be the bracket the fits between the motor mount and subframe, but a paper template is normally flat and the part I am envisioning is not flat.?
The only time I worked in that area was many years ago when I replaced the starter electrical wire.? I may recognize what the lift bracket is when I get the car up on my lift, but it would be nice if you could give me some more details about it.
Gary in SoCal
On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 02:36:51 PM PDT, Linc <linc@...> wrote:
Two thing on that, ?it 'could' be done on the engine, but the area around the bolt holes will be difficult with bolts through them. ?The second thing is that I am not in a hurry, and there is still plenty of time. --
============================================================ I am Linc..... What more could you possibly need to know?============================================================
On Sat, 2024-07-06 at 01:32 +0000, Gary Wittman via groups.io wrote: Linc,
Is that possible to do with the engine in the vehicle?? Since I have not ever pulled the engine, I don't even know what they look like.? I can do it if it can be done in the vehicle.? It might be a while before I can do it though.? My lift is inaccessible due to some construction I am having done.??
Gary in SoCal
On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 05:17:30 PM PDT, Linc <linc@...> wrote:
Hello,
I am looking to see if someone is willing to make a paper template of the 428 CJ Engine lift brackets. ?I am going to CNC plasma cut them since I am too cheap to buy real or reproduction ones. ?:)
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Re: Rear Axle Data Plate Restoration / Recreation
As far as I know Kevin Marti (Marti Auroworks) can reproduce metal tags/labels. Just like he does the Data Plates.
David from WNY
On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 05:33:17 PM EDT, Linc <linc@...> wrote:
Hello, ?
Anyone know who makes a reproduction of the rear axle data plate, or am I stuck trying to recreate this thing?
--
============================================================ I am Linc..... What more could you possibly need to know?============================================================
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You need to specify: Sport mirror or chrome? Or is this not an issue in '68? At 05:27 PM 7/6/2024, gwojtyna@... wrote: Does anyone have a nice right side door mirror for a 68 Torino. Does not have to be a remote control. Appreciate any response.
Gene
68 GT Convertable ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. Voice: 817-237-3360 Internet: chris@...
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Re: Rear Axle Data Plate Restoration / Recreation
Marty Auto Works makes reproduction
axle tags.? They also make them for the carburetor, door data and
engine.
Tony
On 7/6/2024 5:33 PM, Linc wrote:
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Hello, ?
Anyone
know who makes a reproduction of the rear axle data plate, or am
I stuck
trying to recreate this thing?
--
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I am Linc..... What more could you possibly need to know?
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I should be able to figure out a way to locate the holes dimensionally.? I am not familiar with the lift brackets for the 428CJ.? My guess is it would be the bracket the fits between the motor mount and subframe, but a paper template is normally flat and the part I am envisioning is not flat.?
The only time I worked in that area was many years ago when I replaced the starter electrical wire.? I may recognize what the lift bracket is when I get the car up on my lift, but it would be nice if you could give me some more details about it.
Gary in SoCal
On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 02:36:51 PM PDT, Linc <linc@...> wrote:
Two thing on that, ?it 'could' be done on the engine, but the area around the bolt holes will be difficult with bolts through them. ?The second thing is that I am not in a hurry, and there is still plenty of time. --
============================================================
I am Linc..... What more could you possibly need to know?
============================================================
On Sat, 2024-07-06 at 01:32 +0000, Gary Wittman via groups.io wrote: Linc,
Is that possible to do with the engine in the vehicle?? Since I have not ever pulled the engine, I don't even know what they look like.? I can do it if it can be done in the vehicle.? It might be a while before I can do it though.? My lift is inaccessible due to some construction I am having done.??
Gary in SoCal
On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 05:17:30 PM PDT, Linc <linc@...> wrote:
Hello,
I am looking to see if someone is willing to make a paper template of the 428 CJ Engine lift brackets. ?I am going to CNC plasma cut them since I am too cheap to buy real or reproduction ones. ?:)
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Does anyone have a nice right side door mirror for a 68 Torino. Does not have to be a remote control. Appreciate any response.
Gene
68 GT Convertable
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Two thing on that, ?it 'could' be done on the engine, but the area around the bolt holes will be difficult with bolts through them. ?The second thing is that I am not in a hurry, and there is still plenty of time. --
============================================================
I am Linc..... What more could you possibly need to know?
============================================================
On Sat, 2024-07-06 at 01:32 +0000, Gary Wittman via groups.io wrote: Linc,
Is that possible to do with the engine in the vehicle?? Since I have not ever pulled the engine, I don't even know what they look like.? I can do it if it can be done in the vehicle.? It might be a while before I can do it though.? My lift is inaccessible due to some construction I am having done.??
Gary in SoCal
On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 05:17:30 PM PDT, Linc <linc@...> wrote:
Hello,
I am looking to see if someone is willing to make a paper template of the 428 CJ Engine lift brackets. ?I am going to CNC plasma cut them since I am too cheap to buy real or reproduction ones. ?:)
|
Rear Axle Data Plate Restoration / Recreation
Hello, ?
Anyone know who makes a reproduction of the rear axle data plate, or am I stuck trying to recreate this thing?
--
============================================================
I am Linc..... What more could you possibly need to know?
============================================================
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Linc,
Is that possible to do with the engine in the vehicle?? Since I have not ever pulled the engine, I don't even know what they look like.? I can do it if it can be done in the vehicle.? It might be a while before I can do it though.? My lift is inaccessible due to some construction I am having done.??
Gary in SoCal
On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 05:17:30 PM PDT, Linc <linc@...> wrote:
Hello,
I am looking to see if someone is willing to make a paper template of the 428 CJ Engine lift brackets. ?I am going to CNC plasma cut them since I am too cheap to buy real or reproduction ones. ?:) --
============================================================
I am Linc..... What more could you possibly need to know?
============================================================
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Hello,
I am looking to see if someone is willing to make a paper template of the 428 CJ Engine lift brackets. ?I am going to CNC plasma cut them since I am too cheap to buy real or reproduction ones. ?:) --
============================================================
I am Linc..... What more could you possibly need to know?
============================================================
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Re: Nationals in the Books
Linc, it was like old times having you at the Nats and getting your follow-up email to the registry. Glad to hear you are going to keep it current. Carl, your incident with the trailer really sounded scary, glad everyone and the car were OK. Reminds me that I need to.pull the wheels on mine and check things out. I am using it tomorrow to move house hold goods as we are moving to Washington Pa in the next month?or so Jay
Glad to hear you made it home safe Tony! It was good to see you and I can't wait to see your car when it's done again.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy XCover FieldPro, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message -------- Date: 7/1/24 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [fairlaneregistry] Nationals in the Books
I got back home yesterday, no
problems.? Now I get to dive into editing the 900+ photos I took
while I was there.? Give me a few days before I can post our group
photo from after the awards ceremony.
Tony
On 7/1/2024 9:33 AM, Linc wrote:
Hello,
I
hope that all of your have made it home safe, or are almost home
safe.? It was great
to see you all again.? As stated at the end of the ceremony,
I am actively collecting VIN's
again and updating information. So if you find new cars and
owners, let me know.? I am
also going to remove Jon's contact information from the
website and add my own unless
one of you wants to be the 'contact person' for inquires.?
I
know we do have at least one new member, Clark Forte, who owns a
68 Fairlane
500 Four Door. ? Once he posts for the first time, let give
him a warm welcome.
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If you do post this, please do not tag me. ?Thanks --
============================================================
I am Linc..... What more could you possibly need to know?
============================================================
On Wed, 2024-07-03 at 18:32 -0400, Tony Avak wrote: Here is our group photo from Saturday evening.? Feel free to post it on
social media or otherwise treat it as your own.? I've barely started
editing my other show photos but I thought I'd get this one out early.?
Enjoy!
Tony
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Hi Tony Thanks for the great pictures. I will ship out your order Friday. {since FedEx is closed tomorrow} I am out of the rad hoses as we sold out in Carlisle and I am awaiting my shipment. Attached is the invoice, send a check when you can. Thanks & Happy 4th! Marty
Here is our group photo from Saturday evening.? Feel free to post it on
social media or otherwise treat it as your own.? I've barely started
editing my other show photos but I thought I'd get this one out early.?
Enjoy!
Tony
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Here is our group photo from Saturday evening.? Feel free to post it on
social media or otherwise treat it as your own.? I've barely started
editing my other show photos but I thought I'd get this one out early.?
Enjoy!
Tony
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Re: Nationals in the Books
Glad to hear you made it home safe Tony! It was good to see you and I can't wait to see your car when it's done again.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy XCover FieldPro, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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-------- Original message -------- From: Tony Avak <avakar@...> Date: 7/1/24 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [fairlaneregistry] Nationals in the Books
I got back home yesterday, no
problems.? Now I get to dive into editing the 900+ photos I took
while I was there.? Give me a few days before I can post our group
photo from after the awards ceremony.
Tony
On 7/1/2024 9:33 AM, Linc wrote:
Hello,
I
hope that all of your have made it home safe, or are almost home
safe. ?It was great
to see you all again. ?As stated at the end of the ceremony,
I am actively collecting VIN's
again and updating information. So if you find new cars and
owners, let me know. ?I am
also going to remove Jon's contact information from the
website and add my own unless
one of you wants to be the 'contact person' for inquires.?
I
know we do have at least one new member, Clark Forte, who owns a
68 Fairlane
500 Four Door. ? Once he posts for the first time, let give
him a warm welcome.
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Re: Nationals in the Books
Well that definitely sounds exciting and not something that I want to participate in. Glad you guys made it safe and you had a rescuer at your ready.
Sorry I didn't get to chat with you I didn't even see you even though I knew you were there. Hopefully we can catch up next time.
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-------- Original message -------- From: "Carl Sharp via groups.io" <carl.sharp.c9mm@...> Date: 7/1/24 5:17 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [fairlaneregistry] Nationals in the Books
We had a great time at the Nationals (as always).? It was great to see everyone who attended this year.
?
We also had a little excitement going home (which is starting to become a Fairlane Nationals tradition that I could do without).
?
As we were southbound in I-75, I experienced an abrupt series of dramatic swings on my 24’ enclosed trailer with my Talladega inside.? It began to swing like a pendulum (nearly a 90 degree swing) as I was
in the center southbound lane with traffic on either side of me.? Fortunately, traffic all backed off as I tried to get things back under control.? Once I was able to scrub off enough speed, I was able to get things straightened out.? It still didn’t feel
right, so I took the next exit to check everything out.
?
Yep, I still had 3 wheels out of four… One had departed company – hub and all.?
?
I managed to limp to the next exit, where I could at least find a parking lot with some space in it.
?
Fortunately, Cy Schmidt came to my rescue.? After driving all the way to Cincinnati, he dropped off his car from his trailer and doubled back up I-75 to help me with my predicament.?? My eternal gratitude
for his help yesterday.? He wound up trailering my car all the way to my house while I limped home on 3 wheels.
?
Thanks again for the rescue!
?
We are already looking forward to next year!
?
Carl and Patti Sharp
?
?
I got back home yesterday, no problems.? Now I get to dive into editing the 900+ photos I took while I was there.? Give me a few days before I can post our group photo from after the awards ceremony.
On 7/1/2024 9:33 AM, Linc wrote:
??????????????? I hope that all of your have made it home safe, or are almost home safe. ?It was great
to see you all again. ?As stated at the end of the ceremony, I am actively collecting VIN's
again and updating information. So if you find new cars and owners, let me know. ?I am
also going to remove Jon's contact information from the website and add my own unless
one of you wants to be the 'contact person' for inquires.?
??????????????? I know we do have at least one new member, Clark Forte, who owns a 68 Fairlane
500 Four Door. ? Once he posts for the first time, let give him a warm welcome.
?
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Re: Nationals in the Books
We had a great time at the Nationals (as always).? It was great to see everyone who attended this year.
?
We also had a little excitement going home (which is starting to become a Fairlane Nationals tradition that I could do without).
?
As we were southbound in I-75, I experienced an abrupt series of dramatic swings on my 24’ enclosed trailer with my Talladega inside.? It began to swing like a pendulum (nearly a 90 degree swing) as I was
in the center southbound lane with traffic on either side of me.? Fortunately, traffic all backed off as I tried to get things back under control.? Once I was able to scrub off enough speed, I was able to get things straightened out.? It still didn’t feel
right, so I took the next exit to check everything out.
?
Yep, I still had 3 wheels out of four… One had departed company – hub and all.?
?
I managed to limp to the next exit, where I could at least find a parking lot with some space in it.
?
Fortunately, Cy Schmidt came to my rescue.? After driving all the way to Cincinnati, he dropped off his car from his trailer and doubled back up I-75 to help me with my predicament.?? My eternal gratitude
for his help yesterday.? He wound up trailering my car all the way to my house while I limped home on 3 wheels.
?
Thanks again for the rescue!
?
We are already looking forward to next year!
?
Carl and Patti Sharp
?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Tony Avak
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2024 4:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [fairlaneregistry] Nationals in the Books
?
I got back home yesterday, no problems.? Now I get to dive into editing the 900+ photos I took while I was there.? Give me a few days before I can post our group photo from after the awards ceremony.
On 7/1/2024 9:33 AM, Linc wrote:
??????????????? I hope that all of your have made it home safe, or are almost home safe. ?It was great
to see you all again. ?As stated at the end of the ceremony, I am actively collecting VIN's
again and updating information. So if you find new cars and owners, let me know. ?I am
also going to remove Jon's contact information from the website and add my own unless
one of you wants to be the 'contact person' for inquires.?
??????????????? I know we do have at least one new member, Clark Forte, who owns a 68 Fairlane
500 Four Door. ? Once he posts for the first time, let give him a warm welcome.
?
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Linc
Marty Burke
