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Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

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For the serpentine belt tool on an older Eurovan, I have a ‘93 and in a pinch fashioned a ‘tool’ using an aluminum flat bar (about 1” by .125”) from the hardware store. ?Easy to slip it in beside the tensioner and pry it open a bit to release / reinstall belt.?

On Nov 23, 2024, at 7:22?AM, Steve via groups.io <seaweedsteve@...> wrote:

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Understood.? ?As far as the Rand? R, on my VR6, the only needed tool is a bolt and socket. I carry a few in the tool box.? ?But then I suspect that earlier models were different.? ?Maybe earlier parts are more rare now as well.? So the argument that these are too old might hold true for the earliest versions of the T4.? I made a point of buying a 2001+ and often forget that they are not all the same.
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As mentioned belts etc are just too easy to carry and I do on all my vehicles.? ?BUT again, I'm a DIY guy.? ?I guess I might not be swapping parts out when I pass 80.? ?Coming soon.? Hope they get the fountain of youth working soon!?
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And +1 for that scan gauge.? 100%.


Re: Parts Suppliers

 

Good call. I’ve resorted to the same thing many times including yesterday from a parts seller for this radial shaft seal on the Syncro prop shaft output flange—does not exist in N. America in the VAG network but if you happen to have one or I left some stone unturned pls lmk!
P/N: 02D409189A


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Justin
2000 EVW 1.9TDI Syncro 5-spd

505k mi :-)


Re: Eurovan Repair shops

 

Thanks DB.? Done.


Parts Suppliers

 

The recent thread re EVC value morphing into parts and repair reminded me.? I've had good luck getting parts from suppliers on ebay that weren't available from our US suppliers.
Germany, Latvia, UK
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Salvage suppliers on ebay also frequently have one offs.
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Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

Understood.? ?As far as the Rand? R, on my VR6, the only needed tool is a bolt and socket. I carry a few in the tool box.? ?But then I suspect that earlier models were different.? ?Maybe earlier parts are more rare now as well.? So the argument that these are too old might hold true for the earliest versions of the T4.? I made a point of buying a 2001+ and often forget that they are not all the same.
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As mentioned belts etc are just too easy to carry and I do on all my vehicles.? ?BUT again, I'm a DIY guy.? ?I guess I might not be swapping parts out when I pass 80.? ?Coming soon.? Hope they get the fountain of youth working soon!?
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And +1 for that scan gauge.? 100%.


Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

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I should have been more specific…the 5 cylinder doesn’t have that bolt. VR6 definitely easy, had on my Corrado.
Sean Robinson?

On Nov 23, 2024, at 7:56?AM, Michael Diehr via groups.io <md03@...> wrote:

?Serpentine belt: no fancy tool need, just a M8 bolt. ?You can carry an extra one, or in a pinch use one of the 3 that hold the tensioner.
There's a good writeup here:?


Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

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Serpentine belt: no fancy tool need, just a M8 bolt. ?You can carry an extra one, or in a pinch use one of the 3 that hold the tensioner.
There's a good writeup here:?


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I find the belt isn’t the issue, it’s not having the proper tool to lever the tension pulley. Both times I have done the timing belt, the serp was almost the worst part. If you don’t have that tool, what is the best method to putting new one on? I did see that tool online somewhere and it was some obnoxious cost (been a long time since I looked).


Sean Robinson?

On Nov 23, 2024, at 12:04?AM, mike.ayukawa via groups.io <mike.ayukawa@...> wrote:

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My general practice is to keep the "old" belt as a spare, when I get it changed. ?The idea is that I know it fits and it will likely be in good enough shape to get me to where I can get a replacement. ?Of course this means you have to do the belt change twice, in the case of an unforeseen failure. ?OTOH you don't have to spend money on a replacement until later. ?I use this scheme on ignition parts, sensors, thermostats, etc. ?I dislike being stranded for a simple part that can be swapped out in the field. ?./Mike


Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

My general practice is to keep the "old" belt as a spare, when I get it changed. ?The idea is that I know it fits and it will likely be in good enough shape to get me to where I can get a replacement. ?Of course this means you have to do the belt change twice, in the case of an unforeseen failure. ?OTOH you don't have to spend money on a replacement until later. ?I use this scheme on ignition parts, sensors, thermostats, etc. ?I dislike being stranded for a simple part that can be swapped out in the field. ?./Mike


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Steve- A serpentine belt is easy to get in some places. Not 200 miles north of Los Angeles in the Central Valley in a “town” that consisted of 5 gas stations, fast food and 2 hotels. ?The thing is, I like to go camping in remote places where it’s easy to get stuck if something goes wrong. This was basically the straw that broke the camels back.?

Dan



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On Nov 22, 2024, at 12:02?PM, Steve via groups.io <seaweedsteve@...> wrote:

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I can't imagine being marooned due to a serpentine but then I work on my own vehicles.? The part is easy to get.? I carry a spare and an idler pulley.? ?But I guess you could be somewhere that had nobody willing to change a belt?? ?It's a 30 min job a beginner could do.?
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Anyway, no doubt there are other dead in the water examples that would better illustrate the point.??


Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

Great idea!? I just bought one!? Thank you!!!


Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

+1 plug for the scan gauge. Best multi sys ?gauge by far. I have an older version that isn’t EV specific that works just fine w my 4-cyl 1.9l TDI and it does not have an “alert” function: ie it’s up to you the user/driver to be monitoring fastidiously to catch any aberrations that may be consequential. Maybe the newer versions that Ron carries does??
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Justin
2000 EVW 1.9TDI Syncro 5-spd

505k mi :-)


Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

An aside - Have there been any or many failures on trannies that are
known (monitored) to run under 220 F? I wonder sometimes if even
the aftermarket coolers are handicapped by the thermostat's flow restriction
and allow them to overheat under heavy load.
On that note, it goes without saying that everyone with a '97-up Eurovan should have a ScanGauge II mounted to their dash to monitor trans temp real-time. It will alert you immediately if the trans begins to overheat (as well as altering you to a multitude of other problems) and could easily save your trans, your engine, etc. A couple of times mine has alerted me when my trans started to overheat on a prolonged mountain pass (so I pulled over for a short time and it was fine), and once it saved me when I had an electrical problem, giving me enough time to hightail it home before nightfall. The small form factor has lots of convenient locations on the dash, and it just plugs into the OBDII port on your dash or column so no wiring is required. There is a special version with unique factory firmware specifically for Eurovans, which we stock. (It will still work on other vehicles, but the reverse is not true; the off-the-shelf version sold elsewhere has known compatibility issues with the Eurovan's OBDII system.) This is literally a must-have if you drive a Eurovan (other than the 5 cylinder ones, which won't support it) - it can pay for itself ten times over if you need it just once. <>

Ron Salmon
The Bus Depot Inc.
www.BusDepot.com
www.MyRialta.com


Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

I can't imagine being marooned due to a serpentine but then I work on my own vehicles.? The part is easy to get.? I carry a spare and an idler pulley.? ?But I guess you could be somewhere that had nobody willing to change a belt?? ?It's a 30 min job a beginner could do.?
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Anyway, no doubt there are other dead in the water examples that would better illustrate the point.??


Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

I suppose that you are right about the "panache" on the T3.? And I know you are just speculating why prices are down not giving your own opinion but I can't resist making a case!? ?I say that in terms of features and durability the T4 with a VR6 wins.? My 2002 certainly does.? Powerful vehicle, handles great under load, etc etc.? It is a true advance of the transporter.? ?And for me, I think that the feature gains from T3 to later T4 are more important than after T4.? It has what I need. The T3 does not.?
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After upgrading the cooling on my 2002, I have seen zero indication over 60K+ of use that the tranny will have any future problems.? I think that the reputation was earned through a few minor but fatal correctible faults, not the actual transmission but the tranny running hot and burning it's fluid.? ?Cooling it adequately and/or changing the synthetic fluid frequently fix that.? But yes, the reputation continues.?
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An aside - Have there been any or many failures on trannies that are known (monitored) to run under 220 F?? ?I wonder sometimes if even the aftermarket coolers are handicapped by the thermostat's flow restriction and allow them to overheat under heavy load.? On paper a thermostat seems correct and in cold climates surely a requirement.? But? I don't have a thermo and mine runs ridiculously cool - but I only use it in warm-ish climates.? ?Some say it's an issue running an automatic at 150-180F? (typically) but my friend who has been rebuilding automatics all day for decades says "nope"? never gonna be an issue.?
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Anyway, I'm still sold on these guys whatever they are selling for.? ?For me, the biggest old-age issue is that Evap system and I'm gonna drop my tank next spring and see if I can't get to the bottom of that issue.? Betting it's due to dried up gasoline or just rubber age in the Rube Goldberg designed evap valving system.?
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Thanks to Bus depot for expanding your parts catalogue.? Appreciate that!? Ultimate win would be if you could source some sort of replacement or rebuild for the Steering angle sensor on the late EV models.? Paying hundreds for junk yard parts is crazy.??


Re: Eurovan Repair shops

 

If anybody would like to add to my EurovanRescue.com - Repair Shop Locator....
please visit my website -

I tend to check and import the submissions every 45 days or so.


Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

Justin,

I agree.? Repair issues are the main reason I'm selling mine.? When I was in college, repairing the rear transmission seal on my old split window camper by propping the engine on a stack of wood from a wood pile and pushing the van forward was an adventure.? But the neighborhood parts store had the part.? But now, 40 years later, being marooned in a gas station stop on the I5 with my son and being towed home due to a serpantine belt is no longer a fun adventure.? Ah well, it is what it is!

Take care!

Virus-free.


On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:01?AM Justin Soares via <greaseworks=[email protected]> wrote:
There’s a certain panache and quasi-cult like following for the T3 Vanagon models that I’m afraid our beloved T4 Eurovans will never achieve. Unfortunately T4’s in America are like the Ivory Billed woodpecker—on the edge of extinction (arguably already there). When OEM and aftermarket parts stop being produced for a vehicle model this is the inevitable outcome.?
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The number of companies supplying parts for the Vanagon, both aftermarket OEM parts, as well as updated OE components for today’s day and age is on a different order of magnitude compared to the T4 and I’m doubtful this supply chain will suddenly gain enthusiasm for our beloved Eurovans. Check out the wares of a few of the plethora of companies supporting primarily the T3 to see what I’m talking about.?
gowesty
busdepot
Vancafe
T3techniques
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A couple other factors have firmly rung the death knell of the T4: the failure prone automatic transmission and cost prohibitive repair. It’s the perfect storm: Dwindling parts supply, weak and expensive critically important components, and the increasingly sparse number of shops who will take them in for repair.?it’s really no surprise to me we’re in the end times and I say this as a retired VW mechanic/shop owner and Eurovan owner for over 15yrs w a highly modified 2000 EVW unicorn w/ over a half million miles. ?

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Justin
2000 EVW 1.9TDI Syncro 5-spd

505k mi :-)


Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

Only six hours away. Close enough.?

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 9:41?AM kenwilfy via <Kenwilfy=[email protected]> wrote:
Here at Van-Again, we have been servicing the Eurovan community for the last 25 years.? I have personally owned several of these, worked on many for customers, actually was a branch of Pop Top Heaven on the east coast back in 2007 (before the banking crash), and currently are a source of a lot of parts for the Eurovan that no one else bothers with.? We are also currently doing 3d printing and modeling.? I think this is a way forward for Eurovan owners as some of these parts are going away since they were never made in the aftermarket, and probably never will be.? However if I can get a good used version of a plastic part, I can model it into 3d, and then print it out of quality filament or eventually get some runs made from the 3d model if there is enough demand for it.? We actually import a bunch of engine parts for the 2.5l engine and have supplied many shops with a complete list of rebuild parts sourced directly from Europe.? My model isn't trying to be the cheapest.? However, since I have a ton of experience working on these vehicles, I offer not only competitive pricing for our parts, but also actual phone or email support from someone that is a seasoned mechanic.? You can check out what we have to offer at ? If you don't see something you need, please just let me know.? Or if you want me to look into making a replacement part for you with 3d modeling, please feel free to let me know.

Sincerely,
Ken Wilford
> On 11/21/2024 3:23 PM EST The Bus Depot via <bd=[email protected]> wrote:
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> Well, I can tell you that there is one exception. While our competitors have been reducing their Eurovan parts selection, here at BusDepot.com we've been actively expanding further into Eurovan parts. In the last two years we've doubled our Eurovan parts selection, doubled our sales volume of Eurovan parts, and reduced prices on hundreds if not thousands of parts due to the resulting increase in purchasing power.? This is made possible by the fact that we import container loads of parts directly from Europe, rather than relying chiefly on U.S. wholesalers (most of whom have dwindling interest in Eurovans). There is still a reasonably healthy supply of T4/Eurovan parts in Europe, a lot of which isn't available in the States (or is too expensive, or poor quality), and I've spent a lot of time sorting through and starting to import those parts. Replacement sheet metal, rubber, and various coolant hoses come to mind, just to name a few. It's somewhat of a labor of love, as I'm a long-time Eurovan owner myself (an MV, two EVC's, and two Rialtas over the years). If you can't find something on our site (or see a part on a European website that interests you), please feel free to email us at sales@....? Admittedly there are plenty of parts that are no longer available new (as with many Bus and Vanagon parts), but I spend a lot of my time sleuthing out parts other places can't find, and I love a challenge!
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> Ron Salmon
> The Bus Depot Inc.
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Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

Here at Van-Again, we have been servicing the Eurovan community for the last 25 years. I have personally owned several of these, worked on many for customers, actually was a branch of Pop Top Heaven on the east coast back in 2007 (before the banking crash), and currently are a source of a lot of parts for the Eurovan that no one else bothers with. We are also currently doing 3d printing and modeling. I think this is a way forward for Eurovan owners as some of these parts are going away since they were never made in the aftermarket, and probably never will be. However if I can get a good used version of a plastic part, I can model it into 3d, and then print it out of quality filament or eventually get some runs made from the 3d model if there is enough demand for it. We actually import a bunch of engine parts for the 2.5l engine and have supplied many shops with a complete list of rebuild parts sourced directly from Europe. My model isn't trying to be the cheapest. However, since I have a ton of experience working on these vehicles, I offer not only competitive pricing for our parts, but also actual phone or email support from someone that is a seasoned mechanic. You can check out what we have to offer at www.vanagain.com If you don't see something you need, please just let me know. Or if you want me to look into making a replacement part for you with 3d modeling, please feel free to let me know.

Sincerely,
Ken Wilford

On 11/21/2024 3:23 PM EST The Bus Depot via groups.io <bd@...> wrote:


The number of companies supplying parts for the Vanagon is on a
different order of magnitude compared to the T4 and I’m doubtful this
supply chain will suddenly gain enthusiasm for our beloved Eurovans.
Well, I can tell you that there is one exception. While our competitors have been reducing their Eurovan parts selection, here at BusDepot.com we've been actively expanding further into Eurovan parts. In the last two years we've doubled our Eurovan parts selection, doubled our sales volume of Eurovan parts, and reduced prices on hundreds if not thousands of parts due to the resulting increase in purchasing power. This is made possible by the fact that we import container loads of parts directly from Europe, rather than relying chiefly on U.S. wholesalers (most of whom have dwindling interest in Eurovans). There is still a reasonably healthy supply of T4/Eurovan parts in Europe, a lot of which isn't available in the States (or is too expensive, or poor quality), and I've spent a lot of time sorting through and starting to import those parts. Replacement sheet metal, rubber, and various coolant hoses come to mind, just to name a few. It's somewhat of a labor of love, as I'm a long-time Eurovan owner myself (an MV, two EVC's, and two Rialtas over the years). If you can't find something on our site (or see a part on a European website that interests you), please feel free to email us at sales@.... Admittedly there are plenty of parts that are no longer available new (as with many Bus and Vanagon parts), but I spend a lot of my time sleuthing out parts other places can't find, and I love a challenge!

Ron Salmon
The Bus Depot Inc.
www.BusDepot.com
www.MyRialta.com






Re: Have Eurovans totally lost value

 

That’s great to know Ron! I’m glad we have at least one ally in the parts biz here domestically.?

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Justin
2000 EVW 1.9TDI Syncro 5-spd

505k mi :-)