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Re: Belly pan

Donald
 

--- In ev_update@y..., "IronWood Designs" <zawalick@p...> wrote:
I'm not sure where this information is from, but I can verify that
the
system is not designed to run without the fans. When our fan fuses
failed,
the van overheated while traveling at 70 mph on freeway traffic
(low engine

There is no reason at all for the fans to run while driving at speed.
Consider the fact that the fans will not push air thru the radiator
at any thing near a speed of 70 mph? And driving at 70 will push much
more air thru then the fans ever could.

You had other problems that caused the overheating.


Re: Our Prototype Update

Madeleine Dewar
 

"It was not the removal of the cover that was the problem
but trying to get the darn thing back on. With a new mounting method
for this cover, this problem may resolve itself."

No kidding! Currently I have the cover permanently off and use the Mexican blanket on my rear seat to cover the area by having it hang down a ways. It is a real PITA. I would love to see you come up with some kind of improvement to that disaster.

I met a couple in their 80's in FL last January who have been living full time in their 95 EVC since they bought it new. They (obviously) love it and almost everything about it except that stupid cover. They also removed theirs and don't use it.

Peace, Love and Serenity,
Madeleine

----- Original Message -----
From: gself@...
To: ev_update@...
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 4:29 AM
Subject: [ev_update] Our Prototype Update


We returned two weeks before our trip was scheduled to end trip
because it did not feel appropriate to continue. We may go on
another short 1 or 2-week trip early next month.

OVERHEAD STORAGE UNIT
The overhead storage unit worked wonderfully. The concern that it
might block rear visibility was not a problem. We could see the hood
and grill of cars as they approached but you could not see the road-
rage in their driver's eyes [that may be a blessing]. The soft sides
work better than expected. We packed items we used more often toward
the front that were accessible by pulling down the front edge cloth
without tilting the unit. The unit road smoothly and did not sway
from side-to-side even on rough and winding roads. It also did not
get in the way of us using the lower bunk.

The weight of the unit fully loaded was 25 pounds consisting of 6
pairs of Levis, 10 T-shirts, 2 pairs of shorts, 2 sets of sweats and
several other items. We did not take a suitcase on this trip so
going from driving mode to camping mode was as simple as popping the
top and turning the front seats.

It would be nice to only have to undo only one snap to tilt open the
unit instead of the two that currently hold the prototype in the
closed position.

MAP STORAGE
The map storage was a blessing. Not only did it hold our maps and
travel guides but also the cell phone, sunglasses, pens, and several
other items. I think this was the first trip where we did not step
on maps and guides. I guess it will have to set up a vacuum mold to
make a "real" unit sometime this winter.

CLOSET STRAPS AND FALSE BOTTOM
The closet straps should be mounted slightly higher. Some of the
shorter cloths would migrate out from behind the strap. I may place
another strap about 18-inchs higher to retain the cloths both at the
middle and the bottom of their length. We stored bottles of water in
the closet's false bottom along with a few other items. Only once
did we retriever them so they remained out of our way.

UNDER REAR-SEAT STORAGE BOXES
The trapezoidal side box worked will since it's contents were
accessible by raising the rear seat. The rectangular box was not as
convenient because the front cover had to be removed to access its
contents. It was not the removal of the cover that was the problem
but trying to get the darn thing back on. With a new mounting method
for this cover, this problem may resolve itself. We shuffled a few
items the first day out so only items rarely needed remained in this
box.


OUR NEXT PROJECTS
-Closet Doors
I am going to make a 4-panel door for the closet. This will
provide better access to the closet and shelves. Once the closet
door can be opened fully, the shelves can be extended fully toward
the front.

-Norcold 12-volt thermostat.
We managed to freeze several items on our "long-drive" days. I
think it's time I installed the 12-volt thermostat modification.
Also, a refrigerator thermometer may be in order.











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Re: Our Prototype Update

 

Gary-

I LOVE your modifications! If you would be interested in mass
producing and selling them, I'm interested in almost everything!
Also, your website is great- please post the address whenever you
refer to your modifications
- Mary Schilpp 99 EVC


OVERHEAD STORAGE UNIT
The overhead storage unit worked wonderfully. The concern that it
might block rear visibility was not a problem. We could see the
hood
and grill of cars as they approached but you could not see the road-
rage in their driver's eyes [that may be a blessing]. The soft
sides
work better than expected. We packed items we used more often
toward
the front that were accessible by pulling down the front edge cloth
without tilting the unit. The unit road smoothly and did not sway
from side-to-side even on rough and winding roads. It also did not
get in the way of us using the lower bunk.

The weight of the unit fully loaded was 25 pounds consisting of 6
pairs of Levis, 10 T-shirts, 2 pairs of shorts, 2 sets of sweats and
several other items. We did not take a suitcase on this trip so
going from driving mode to camping mode was as simple as popping the
top and turning the front seats.

It would be nice to only have to undo only one snap to tilt open the
unit instead of the two that currently hold the prototype in the
closed position.

MAP STORAGE
The map storage was a blessing. Not only did it hold our maps
and
travel guides but also the cell phone, sunglasses, pens, and several
other items. I think this was the first trip where we did not step
on maps and guides. I guess it will have to set up a vacuum mold to
make a "real" unit sometime this winter.

CLOSET STRAPS AND FALSE BOTTOM
The closet straps should be mounted slightly higher. Some of the
shorter cloths would migrate out from behind the strap. I may place
another strap about 18-inchs higher to retain the cloths both at the
middle and the bottom of their length. We stored bottles of water
in
the closet's false bottom along with a few other items. Only once
did we retriever them so they remained out of our way.

UNDER REAR-SEAT STORAGE BOXES
The trapezoidal side box worked will since it's contents were
accessible by raising the rear seat. The rectangular box was not as
convenient because the front cover had to be removed to access its
contents. It was not the removal of the cover that was the problem
but trying to get the darn thing back on. With a new mounting
method
for this cover, this problem may resolve itself. We shuffled a few
items the first day out so only items rarely needed remained in this
box.


OUR NEXT PROJECTS
-Closet Doors
I am going to make a 4-panel door for the closet. This will
provide better access to the closet and shelves. Once the closet
door can be opened fully, the shelves can be extended fully toward
the front.

-Norcold 12-volt thermostat.
We managed to freeze several items on our "long-drive" days. I
think it's time I installed the 12-volt thermostat modification.
Also, a refrigerator thermometer may be


thermostat / heater

David Smith
 

I have a 95 Eurovan and have never been able to get the heater to work using the thermostat. The fan works, but no heat. Does that mean the pilot is not lighting? Any suggestions?


Re: Belly pan

IronWood Designs
 

I'm not sure where this information is from, but I can verify that the
system is not designed to run without the fans. When our fan fuses failed,
the van overheated while traveling at 70 mph on freeway traffic (low engine
load to speed ratio). Can you back up some of these claims?

-----Original Message-----
From: joseph O Becker [mailto:geeko6@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:17 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: Re: [ev_update] Re: Belly pan


Actually the system is designed to operate without the fans running.
When the vehicle is moving, even at lower speeds, the air flow is
adequate to cool the system without the use of the fans resulting in
better fuel economy. The fans draw allot of current causing the
alternator to put a load the engine while they are running. Also the
fans are not designed to run continuously, their electric motors will get
hot and burn out.
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Re: ABS Brakes Grinding

Larry Schellhase
 

When the brakes are cool try flushing them with a strong
spray of water thru the holes in the wheel covers and
wheels. That usually cures my grinding sound for several
days. But, it does make a big black puddle in the driveway.


--- Foulks001@... wrote:
I have taken our '00 EVC in on 3 separate occasions to
have the brakes
checked. Several months ago we came down a steep canyon
grade and apparently
glazed the pads. Since then we have not been able to
eliminate a grinding
sound. The dealer continues to tell me that the brakes
are like new, no wear
on the pads and the grinding is caused by the metal
meeting metal. They have
sanded down the pads 3 times and it lasts only a few days
and then they begin
grinding again. Anyone else had this problem? Dave
Strong tells me it
happens with all EV's, but I do not recall anyone
mentioning this since I
have been monitoring the list.


Jean Foulks
'00 EVC "Vana Yt"











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Re: Mouse Problem

Janet Land
 

Thanks Jerry,

I tried searching on both but no luck. Is Yegs still on this list or
do you have an email address where I could contact him?

Janet

At 11:36 AM 19/09/2001 +0000, you wrote:

Yegs posted an article a long time ago about mice getting into the
EV. He found how they were getting there and how to fix it. Try the
search function on his name or mice.

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Re: ABS Brakes Grinding

plthe
 

My wife thought our brakes were shot for the same acoustic reason. But our mechanic said our brakes were fine--they just make that kind of noise. For that matter, one of my bicycles' brakes makes a similar noise, and again it's just a design thing. Now the trick is to learn how to discriminate the squeaky (you say "grinding") noise normal brakes in good condition make, and the sound bad brakes make when the pads are truly gone.

Lee Th¨¦
97 EVC
Palo Alto, CA

----- Original Message -----
From: Foulks001@...
To: ev_update@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:25 AM
Subject: [ev_update] Re: ABS Brakes Grinding


I have taken our '00 EVC in on 3 separate occasions to have the brakes
checked. Several months ago we came down a steep canyon grade and apparently
glazed the pads. Since then we have not been able to eliminate a grinding
sound. The dealer continues to tell me that the brakes are like new, no wear
on the pads and the grinding is caused by the metal meeting metal. They have
sanded down the pads 3 times and it lasts only a few days and then they begin
grinding again. Anyone else had this problem? Dave Strong tells me it
happens with all EV's, but I do not recall anyone mentioning this since I
have been monitoring the list.


Jean Foulks
'00 EVC "Vana Yt"









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Re: ABS Brakes Grinding

Michael G. McCarthy
 

Grinding noise is normal, and it will come and go. "Metal to metal" is not
the correct explanation, and should not be the source of the noise. If you
glazed your pads, and that has now been fixed, you should notice the SAME
(ie, not less) brake dust on your front brakes. Glazed pads do not properly
dust up your wheels, while normal pads WILL make your wheels dirty (and will
often make noises).

Mike

----------
From: Foulks001@...
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: ABS Brakes Grinding
Date: Wed, Sep 19, 2001, 10:25 AM


I have taken our '00 EVC in on 3 separate occasions to have the brakes
checked. Several months ago we came down a steep canyon grade and
apparently
glazed the pads. Since then we have not been able to eliminate a grinding
sound. The dealer continues to tell me that the brakes are like new, no
wear
on the pads and the grinding is caused by the metal meeting metal. They
have
sanded down the pads 3 times and it lasts only a few days and then they
begin
grinding again. Anyone else had this problem? Dave Strong tells me it
happens with all EV's, but I do not recall anyone mentioning this since I
have been monitoring the list.


Jean Foulks
'00 EVC "Vana Yt"









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Re: Belly Pan/Oil Change

 

--- In ev_update@y..., "Madeleine Dewar" <madewar@e...> wrote:
"my 2001 EVC comes with an access opening precut - almost exactly
as my old 97 EVC."

Is this simply a hole or is it a hole with a covering?


Peace, Love and Serenity,
Madeleine
The access opening is without any cover. 2001 EVC's only difference
from my 97 opening, is the opening has a nicely finished edge with
some kind of rubber/plastic? trim around it.

I wouldn't have to remind the oil change guy to be careful about
possible some rough edges around the access opening any more.

Kunio


Re: Belly pan

 

Actually the system is designed to operate without the fans running.
When the vehicle is moving, even at lower speeds, the air flow is
adequate to cool the system without the use of the fans resulting in
better fuel economy. The fans draw allot of current causing the
alternator to put a load the engine while they are running. Also the
fans are not designed to run continuously, their electric motors will get
hot and burn out.
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Re: Mouse Problem

 

In a message dated 9/19/01 8:45:38 AM, jland@... writes:

<< Thanks Jerry,

I tried searching on both but no luck. Is Yegs still on this list or
do you have an email address where I could contact him?

Janet >>

I seem to recall that the mice usually get in through a vent located under
the rear bumper cover. The vent is on the driver's side at the very back
lower corner.

The solution was to cover the opening with metal screening.

Steve Lashley
SKL Enterprises Inc.

636-797-9015
636-789-2127 fax


Re: ev_update: replacing 140hp V6 w/201hp?

John Waterman
 

Az,
Of course their gallon is a bit larger than ours.
John

Az Barber wrote:


Message: 20
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:59:52 -0700
From: "plthe" <plthe@...>
Subject: Re: Re: ev_update: replacing 140hp V6 w/201hp?

Wow. I've never gotten better than 18 mpg even without a trailer.

Lee Th
97 EVC
Palo Alto, CA
Doh!

You know, those keys sure are close together.

I got 21 mpG on recent trip to FLA. No trailer, but 5 people and fully
loaded with junk.

I was reading an English magazine that had some readers reporting
45mpg with
thier TDI Eurovans.

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Re: Mouse problem

 

Janet,

Yegs posted an article a long time ago about mice getting into the
EV. He found how they were getting there and how to fix it. Try the
search function on his name or mice.

Jerry

--- In ev_update@y..., tya <tya@c...> wrote:
At 01:23 PM 9/18/2001 -0700, you wrote:
I recently discovered mouse droppings in my '96 EVC. They'd
been into a
bag of dog biscuits I had on the dash (which is how I first
discovered
them) and also into the cupboard just above the back seat where I
store dry
food stuff. I trapped 3 mice in two nights then left on a week
long trip
in the van (set the traps the first night but they weren't
touched) got
back and caught another mouse the second night back. So it looks
like they
aren't living in the van yet and just coming in to scrounge for
now. My
concern is that they might take up residence. I have put mouse
tempting
items (including paper coffee filters) in containers but they
still seem to
be coming in.
I'm not overly fond of trapping mice and would rather find a
way of
keeping them out. Does anyone have any ideas of where they might
be
getting in and how I might stop them?

Janet
Saturna Island BC

----------
Dear Janet,

How about a Cat? I certainly wouldn't use a poison
because then
the mouse goes away and dies. He may not die outside the van but
in
inaccessible location. Traps are the best and I can't recommend
one model
over another.

Reg


Re: Sheepskin seat covers

John Waterman
 

Gary,
I wouldn't be without them. Cool in the summer and warm in the winter.
John

gself@... wrote:


About a year ago Sheepskin seat covers were a topic of conversation.
For those of you who installed them "What is your opinion after more
than a year of use?"

. . . Gary of Grass Valley

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Re: ABS Brakes Grinding

 

I have taken our '00 EVC in on 3 separate occasions to have the brakes
checked. Several months ago we came down a steep canyon grade and apparently
glazed the pads. Since then we have not been able to eliminate a grinding
sound. The dealer continues to tell me that the brakes are like new, no wear
on the pads and the grinding is caused by the metal meeting metal. They have
sanded down the pads 3 times and it lasts only a few days and then they begin
grinding again. Anyone else had this problem? Dave Strong tells me it
happens with all EV's, but I do not recall anyone mentioning this since I
have been monitoring the list.


Jean Foulks
'00 EVC "Vana Yt"


Re: ev_update: replacing 140hp V6 w/201hp?

John Waterman
 

Hi Lee,
Glad to hear she wasn't hurt, but it must be traumatic being without an
EVC for a time. I would sure think that the insurance company would be
willing to cut a check for the cost of repairing the old engine which
you could then spend toward the upgrade. How many miles on the old
engine?
John

plthe@... wrote:


My wife rear-ended an Econoline, thus attacking its bumper with our
engine. She wasn't hurt other than having a sore neck for a few days,
but in addition to extensive nose damge, the body shop tells me one
of the engine mounts sheared off the block. First time he'd seen such
a thing in thirty years of body shop work, he said.

I assume the labor cost of putting all the existing engine parts on a
new block would equal the cost of just swapping in the new 201hp
engine, which the local dealer tells me would probably work fine with
the rest of the van.

Does anyone know if the 201hp engine can swap in without requiring
mods?

Also, my mechanic tells me the insurance companies just want to pay
for broken parts and labor, even if the cost = a new engine. Anyone
know about that? We're with Farmer's.

BTW thus far Farmer's has been good to us about this.

BTW BTW one of the tables was set up at the time of the crash, and it
apparently broke the leg in some way.

Lee Th
97 EVC
Palo Alto, CA

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Re: Hitch carriers

John Waterman
 

Hi Gary,
This one would definately be worth checking out. He also makes some ABS
carriers. I especially liked the Remora Mini, but it was not possible
to open the rear hatch with it installed. There is also a fancier one
that is quite a bit larger and has legs with wheels that fold up under
it whereby you can just unhook it and roll it away, but it is very large
and quite heavy. It would be just the thing for a larger motor home,
but I think a little too much for our EVCs.
John

gself@... wrote:


That's good to know. I was hoping to add something like that for our
6-month trip around the U.S. planned for next year[+1?]. We know we
did not want a trailer because the extra wheels come with speed limit
restrictions in some states.

Thanks for the info.
. . . Gary

--- In ev_update@y..., John Waterman <jwwaterman@w...> wrote:
I asked Marty about this and he said that the normal weight
distribution
of front engine vehicles is about 60/40. His point is that the
additional weight (which is maximum 200 lbs and for me probably
closer
to 100) is that having the weight in the back with a somewhat long
moment the weight distribution of the vehicle more closely
approaches
50/50.
John

gself@j... wrote:

I also do weight & Balance calculations when flying strictly VFR
stuff. I worried about the extra load being placed on the rear
tires. As you know, adding weight behind the rear wheels not only
adds that weight but also moves some of the load from the front
tires
to the rear tires. Each individual EVC tire is being run very
near
their design load limits.

I guess I worry too much. That may be due to the fact that I also
own a Ford Explorer!!!

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Re: ev_update: replacing 140hp V6 w/201hp?

Az Barber
 

Message: 20
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:59:52 -0700
From: "plthe" <plthe@...>
Subject: Re: Re: ev_update: replacing 140hp V6 w/201hp?

Wow. I've never gotten better than 18 mpg even without a trailer.

Lee Th
97 EVC
Palo Alto, CA
Doh!

You know, those keys sure are close together.

I got 21 mpG on recent trip to FLA. No trailer, but 5 people and fully
loaded with junk.

I was reading an English magazine that had some readers reporting 45mpg with
thier TDI Eurovans.

Az
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