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Re: Terror's awful logic
All well and good, but what are we to do about it.
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From: "Michael G. McCarthy" <mgmccarthy@...> To: <ev_update@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:45 PM Subject: [ev_update] Terror's awful logic FWIW, this column is the closest yet to my own opinionof it repeatedly; there arepeople (and the governments they form) do not like to give back what they haveuse of terror: attacks by the aggrieved not on the soldiers of the enemy, buton the people of the enemy - on innocent victims.hard time finding adherents. But tribalism is a powerful corrupting force, andso is ideology, and an awful quality of modern times has been the degree toterror on the most massive scale was justified by the need to free the world from |
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Please
We've had a lot of controversy and a flame war recently, all centered
around appropriate commentary. I'd like to ask that all confine remarks here to VW campers and associated information. For the most part, I sympathize with the comments on children, the recent terrorist attacks, and so on. I would ask those who want to deal with those topics to avail themselves of appropriate channels, like email, chat rooms, or other yahoo groups. This group has been a great source of information on common EVC ills, like the stupid curtains. It has also had inspiring coverage on trips. The group is quite valuable to me and I hope it can continue to be so. In the good old days of of USENET, it was considered a breach of courtesy to post a "me too" message, with lots of repeated content (like a string of messages) and little input. Our messages on this group are getting unmanageable due to the combination of this and off- topic postings. Please consider this when you post. Thanks, Ed '99 EVC I'll be at the Buoys |
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Americans show unity against terrorism
Madeleine Dewar
This was passed on to me through numerous emails. I have deleted the previous track for ease of reading.
Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. step out your door, stop your car, or step out of your establishment and light a candle. We will show the world that Americans are strong and united together against terrorism. Please pass this to everyone on your email list. We need to reach everyone across the United States quickly. The message: WE STAND UNITED - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM! Thank you. We need press to cover this - we need the world to see. Peace, Love and Serenity, Madeleine |
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Re: Teach your children well.....
James H. McCarthy
According to the Merriam Webster dictionary the word 'horrific' dates from
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the 17th century, and it means to cause horror. While others may have their own sensitivities to the word, I rarely use it. It is for me a very strong word, describing strong horror and dismay. And that is why I did use it. Jim McCarthy, Somerville, MA, USA wiliam meyer wrote: the clearest thing i have done is to drop "blame" and ultimate judgment |
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Re: Teach your children well.....
In a message dated 01-09-11 21:59:09 EDT, you write:
<< Have you every hear a Palestinian talk about how they believe that Israel stole their land? It's ugly... a war (hatred) that's been going for many generations... It is very complicated... and there's no answer to questions that the Jews and Palestinians are asking each other. >> I lived in Kuwait for 2 1/2 years in the early 70s (when the Gulf War started my son said, "Well, at least now people will know where I was born!) - my ex husband was a British Diplomat. We met many Palestinians socially and even drove past a deplorable Palestinian refugee camp outside of Beirut, Lebanon. I remember my daughter's pediatrician who told how their property in Jaffa had been confiscated. The Palestinians (and just about every other ethnic group) were treated as second-class citizens. The Palestinian children went to school during the second shift...afternoons. Someone said to me that it suited the Arab nations (who have megamillion bucks at their disposition and could have resettled them to proper housing) to have the displaced Palestinians as a "symbol." Remember, this was 30 years ago. I have no idea what the situation is now. I would prefer that this not be forwarded to anyone outside the list...at least not with my screen name visible. I only mention this as possible insight. The radical fundamentalists are something else completely. sk (most of you know who I am) |
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Re: Overheating - HELP !!
In a message dated 9/13/2001 11:17:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bleggis4@... writes: 1). Coolant level low - check the overflow tankDoes the engine temperature fluctuate with vehicle speed? If the temperature reduces as vehicle speed increases, that is a good indication that air flow across the radiator is affected in some way. 4). Bad gauge - smack the dashboard a couple times above the speedo.My experience with "the bad gauge" was that when it malfunctioned, it indicated Cold. If the gauge indicates Hot, heed it. Regards, Bob |
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tears and tires
for all, the events of the past 36 hours have been overwhelming. I am
sure there are people on this list that have been lost or who have lost loved ones. The everyday issues that we tend to whine about seem so mundane, and trivial now. All that aside, I drove into a hole and blew out an Agilis. I cannot find a replacement. Does anyone have a spare tire or 2 with decent tread that they would be willing to sell? (my spare is a goodyear). Peace, and hope -- Kate 93 MV |
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Wanted suggestions for Lightweight flatbed trailer
tya
Dear List,
I am looking for suggestions for a lightweight flatbed trailer to tow behind a Eurovan. Contents will be a 250 lb ultra light airplane. Fuselage about 16 feet long, wheel width about 60 inches and two wings each about 13 feet long to be carried. I am hoping to buy such a trailer in Kansas and tow it back to Canada with the aircraft I was going to buy in Emporia KS. Reg |
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Terror's awful logic
Michael G. McCarthy
FWIW, this column is the closest yet to my own opinion
Terror's awful logic Column by Michael Kelly (former reporter for The Cincinnati Post, is now editor of the Atlantic Monthly.) This is the end logic of terror. The long age of imperialism bequeathed to this century a world full of questions of who wronged whom, and who stole whose land, and what should be done. Those questions, far from finding resolution in the half-peace of the Cold War's aftermath, roil ever more. Absent the relative stability imposed by the war of the giants, the grievances of those upon whom the giants acted out their territorial ambitions have much more room to grow. In theory, this is not a bad thing. But there are two great problems. The first is that, in the end, the whole world was stolen from somebody, most of it repeatedly; there are claims and counterclaims and counter-counterclaims for every inch of the planet that is desirable and for much that is not. The second is that people (and the governments they form) do not like to give back what they have acquired, whether that acquisition is of dubious morality or not. So, those with territorial claims turn to force. But here arises a third problem: By and large, the aggrieved do not possess the force necessary to win their way in open battle. Given this, a common response has been the use of terror: attacks by the aggrieved not on the soldiers of the enemy, but on the people of the enemy - on innocent victims. Given that this is murder, you would think that terrorism would have a hard time finding adherents. But tribalism is a powerful corrupting force, and so is ideology, and an awful quality of modern times has been the degree to which terror by various movements has been accepted as legitimate by those who support the goals of those movements. Communism found no difficulty persuading generations on the left that terror on the most massive scale was justified by the need to free the world from the yoke of capitalistic imperialism. Irish-Americans have almost monolithically supported the IRA in its decades of bombings and killings aimed at scaring the British out of Northern Ireland. And so it goes, case by tribal or ideological case, around the world. more text................ |
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Re: Teach your children well.....
I believe one thing for sure if this does not go unpunished it will happen
again and again and again. The people who instigated this event are the kind of people who will not listen to reason. Much like you. I do not like them not for what they did but for what they will ultimately make me and my children and your children do. I have lived long enough to know that my enemy does not have to like me or care for me. But he has to have enough respect for my word and my resolve that he will not harm me. I do not dislike the people that did this deed. But is I let this go I am just as guilty of the next murder as he. An I might add if you let this go and he does it again so are you. I have friends that feel about the U.S. Like the instigators of this act but they would never think of attacking our country or its people. I disagree with them, They disagree with me. We are still friends. If you are not willing to die for something you will die for nothing. If we do not destroy the evil that has done this thing it will destroy us. Only God will judge and I will gladly accept his judgment. I say we pray for our leaders to make the wright choices. Storm Penton |
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Re: Teach your children well.....
Michael G. McCarthy
An"awful" reaction to horrific? You mean you are in "awe" of your own
reaction? And "awe" is defined as a feeling of "reverence, fear and wonder caused by something majestic, sublime, sacred, etc." Gosh....what kind of "zombie" are YOU? Perhaps that's not REALLY what you mean, and I suppose we all know that. What we don't know -- or at least what I don't know -- is why you bother to condemn great numbers of people's intelligence and moral character simply because they have absorbed the jargon of the moment. You consider that consistent with your dropping of "'blame' and ultimate judgement" from your navigation paradigm? Seriously, do you really think people using the word "horrific" are morons who actually are thinking that they've just seen the most like totally awesome video game ever, dude? Give people a break; not everyone is a poet. Mike <--- promises to use "horrible" from now on, and to NEVER say "jumbo shrimp" ---------- From: wiliam meyer <wmeyer@...> To: ev_update@... Subject: Re: [ev_update] Re: Teach your children well..... Date: Wed, Sep 12, 2001, 8:43 PM the clearest thing i have done is to drop "blame" and ultimate judgment from my paradigm of "how to navigate the world in a positive manner". these labels are a moral club we use to try and smite others (and sometimes ourselves) meanwhile: i have an awful reaction to the work "horrific". it is parroted endlessly and i suspect all who use it. unfortunately for me i looked up "terrific" in the dictionary and it does indeed refer to a negative event. nevertheless, in modern times "terrific" connotes a positive thrill. combining the two words seems to say "an exciting horror spectacle." seeing this word used over and over causes me to doubt the level of thought and original work done by all these glibly parroting or incorporating this word. i really really have a problem with this word and those who use it. i have a terrible suspicion of their intelligence. it is used so frequently i am literally convinced that i am surrounded by zombies. i'm really not kidding. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Height: 345678ft 01234567891011in Weight: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <> . |
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Re: Teach your children well.....
wiliam meyer
the clearest thing i have done is to drop "blame" and ultimate judgment
from my paradigm of "how to navigate the world in a positive manner". these labels are a moral club we use to try and smite others (and sometimes ourselves) meanwhile: i have an awful reaction to the work "horrific". it is parroted endlessly and i suspect all who use it. unfortunately for me i looked up "terrific" in the dictionary and it does indeed refer to a negative event. nevertheless, in modern times "terrific" connotes a positive thrill. combining the two words seems to say "an exciting horror spectacle." seeing this word used over and over causes me to doubt the level of thought and original work done by all these glibly parroting or incorporating this word. i really really have a problem with this word and those who use it. i have a terrible suspicion of their intelligence. it is used so frequently i am literally convinced that i am surrounded by zombies. i'm really not kidding. |
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Re: What Every person on the List Can Do
John Pelszynski
Yes Scott, driving by the Pentagon this morning was very unreal with
acrid smoke still pouring out of the building. I work for the Department of Defense and I'm proud of the small part I play in the defense of our country but I felt very helpless yesterday as I watched the Pentagon fires burning out of control from my office window. But I can pray for the many victims and their families, a couple of them I'm afraid are my friends. And everyone else can pray and hope that our kids can live in a safer, more secure and better world. JP --- John Pelszynski --- jpfahrstar@... |
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Re: Cheaper Parts
Christian R.
This is it.
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thanks to all who posted. Christian ----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Schellhase" <schellhase@...> To: <ev_update@...> Cc: <drz400@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ev_update] Cheaper Parts I don't know if this is the link you were looking for,____________________________________________________________________________ __ Messengerifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de
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egr valve reset
Al Ferguson
Long time lurker, first time poster...
I know this has probably been addressed before but... I would like to know if any of you good folks can tell me how to check and reset (if required) the EGR light on a 1997 Eurovan-Camper (VR6). On my late 80's Vanagons it was a simple black box on the speedo cable with a little hole to stick a pencil in - push the pencil in and the button will make a click sound and is reset. Had to do that every 30K if I remember correctly. Heck if I can find a similar setup on this Eurovan! So here is the deal, at 48.8K (and change) the "check-engine" light comes. It is running cool... I pull over and check oil, leaks, water, etc. - all is o.k. so I drive it to the dealership - Hueberger in Colorado Springs, CO - they won't even look at it for a week :-/ (terrible service) So I set an appointment. In the meantime I would like to check that EGR / OXY to see if it is a simple reset until I can get it in the shop. YES I WILL GET IT LOOKED AT. BTW - I just had a smog test on it - passed with ease. Thanks in advance for the help. Al Ferguson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger |
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