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I thought I might mention and also ask for some help concerning accessories for my
V-10 p in addition to offering help and some hopefully accurate notes.
I have a lovely V10-p and also an older V10 in not very good shape that is gathering
dust as a parts machine. The two main problems with these lathes appear to be the
micarta (fiber, whatever) headstock gears and the electrical switching arrangement on the
headstock.
As for the electrical switch, if you've got a good one and it's still working, get yourself a
junction box and an on/off switch that you can plug into the machine. Keep the machine
switched off as you gently select the headstock switches to depress, then when you've
done so, actually turn the machine on and off with the switch on the junction box.
Whenever I push the headstock switches on and off with my machine, the machine is
powered off. This allows me to take care of the switches. I'd like to keep the machine
original for fun although VFD has a whole lot of appeal.
Once in a while, spare switches do come up on ebay. I bought one last year for about
$170.
Regarding the fiber headstock gears, Blue Ridge will sell them to you still if you twist
their arm, but they'll cost you several hundred bucks. This seems a bit too much for me,
so I'm planning on making an extra set and figure I'll shell out for the cutter. Steve
Stallings, of the Chesapeake Area Metalworking Society (CAMS) recently gave me a huge
chunk of fiber gear material and I'm going to take apart the headstock of the thrashed V10
to reproduce some fiber gears at some point. To that end, I've got an order into Blue Ridge
for the EMCO rotary table/dividing head. They actually had three in stock but all three had
their handles broken off. New ones are about three or four weeks out at this point.
While the EMCO rotary table is quite expensive, I think it's important to mention that it
really is still available, so that's one major original accessory you can still get. They come
up on ebay fairly often, but sell for almost exactly the same price that Blue Ridge still has
them for - around $550. Make sure you order the adaptor plate for the lathe chucks if you
decide to go this route. I believe it's still available for the short taper three bolt spindle
mounting. It used to come with a bushing that centers everything up on the rotary table.
T bolts for the table can still be had, but I've made my own because they're so dear
from Blue Ridge. It looks to me like the lateral cross slide stop for most of these lathes is
also available.
About Blue Ridge...I find them helpful, but I've also found it useful to study lots of
literature about something before calling them up. It kind of gently helps to remind them
how things go together before asking if they have something...You can hardly blame them,
the V10, V10-p has been out of production for many years at this point.
Back to the fiber headstock gears...Blue Ridge says they're simply pressed on their steel
centers. I find that hard to believe, but there you go.
Regarding my junk V10...my interest is in the headstock fiber gears, so if you need
some other part, please let me know. It has a quick change gearbox that's pretty stiff but if
you need one, email me at "cmorrill@..." I'll part with it for $100 bucks if you'll
pay shipping.
The other headstock parts are also up for grabs. I do not have a compound or a
tailstock for this machine. I believe it's 220 single phase. I have no idea about the motor
and the headstock electrical switch is a mess. The tumble reverse gears are busted, but
the carriage handwheels might prove useful to someone as might the lathe bed itself.
Speaking of busted gears...it's generally a bad idea to take an intermittant cut with
these lathes or their associated mill heads. I wouldn't use a fly cutter with the mill head,
for example. Saw a mill head on ebay last year that had been done in by someone
attempting to use a fly cutter.
Hope some of this info helps, and if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct it.
Someday I'd like to purchase one of the toolpost grinders for the V10 that keep turning
up on ebay every six months or so. Interestingly, the business Little Machine Shop has a
Chinese one for sale that looks very much like the EMCO, though probably not made as
well. Hey, it might do in a pinch.
I'm currently building a Shumatech DRO for my maximat.
I might also mention that some of the kits from Metal Lathe Accessories will fit the
Maximat just fine. I'm building the ball turning toolpost and have built the carriage stop
and find it works to a t. I've just got to get some proper green paint.
Anyone else got an idea of what EMCO parts and accessories are still available? I'd love
a steady rest, either fixed or traveling, but these seem two of the hardest things to come
by. Anyone go to Cabin Fever back in 2005? Guy showed up with a mint V10-p including
a pile of accessories. Yup, mint. Incredible. So, I guess the parts are out there.

Cheers, Charles Morrill aka "Waumbek"

On 4/16/2006 at 12:46 PM almus_kenter wrote:

270 new. I got it from dealerselectric.com (or something like that)
I have not purchased a resistor yet. But I plan to.
Right now the lathe coasts to a stop.
What was the price from amarillo?

It's a little less like $240 or so

Yes. I do not have the safety version of the S11 and
still it was a bit of a fit.

I think the price was reasonable...but it came right on
the heels of my buying the lathe so it was a bit painful.

I know - that's where I'm at... all these items that are not unreasonable by themselves DO add up! At least I have a VFD that was reasonable to get me started, that resistor just threw me, and it seems that I have a way out eventually - replace the VFD. I'd probably still leave it external - on the wall is quite OK where I have the lathe. That way I can also use the touch pad if I want to change something - rear access to the electr. box on the lathe is a little limited. I have it close to a wall, enough space to get in there and open the door, but not a lot of wiggle room.

Happy Easter to you also!

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Rich
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--- In emcoV10lathe@..., Richard Kleinhenz <richk@...> wrote:

Actually I found that drive at amarilloelectric.com for a good

price, and they have the resistor also - for $17. Definitely not
gonna invest into the resistor module for the Reliance drive!

On 4/15/2006 at 9:50 AM Richard Kleinhenz wrote:

Is that $270 new or used? Sounds like an excellent price! How much

270 new. I got it from dealerselectric.com (or something like that)
I have not purchased a resistor yet. But I plan to.
Right now the lathe coasts to a stop.
What was the price from amarillo?

Yes. I do not have the safety version of the S11 and
still it was a bit of a fit.

I think the price was reasonable...but it came right on
the heels of my buying the lathe so it was a bit painful.

To tell you the truth I am scared to sum the $ I have
spent so far. Right now I am doing a DRO; in my opinion
it's the best thing to spend money on. Temporarily, plunger
dial indicators with magnetic bases fit the bill,
but a DRO makes things SO much better and faster.
I have built a couple of the Shumatch DROs. In retrospect
getting them to work with Chinese scales is a bit of a PIA.
If I had to do it over again I would try to find a complete
glass scale system.

Happy Easter


-Almus

Actually I found that drive at amarilloelectric.com for a good price, and they have the resistor also - for $17. Definitely not gonna invest into the resistor module for the Reliance drive!

On 4/15/2006 at 9:50 AM Richard Kleinhenz wrote:

Is that $270 new or used? Sounds like an excellent price! How much was
the resistor?

I know mine won't fit into the lathe - you probably don't have the 'safety
electric' version - in that one all the space is taken up with the extra
relays etc

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Rich
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I found the Fm100-202. Did you get a resistor? How much was that?

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Rich
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--- In emcoV10lathe@..., Richard Kleinhenz <richk@...> wrote:

Right, I was looking for D1-4 mount though. May still go the

back-plate route. Decision time sometime this weekend :-)

The plain back with the separate D1-4 mounting plate,
gets you a 6" D1-4 4 jaw and keeps your weight down
(if that is what you want). The mounting plate is
fully machined and is a straight bolt on. You
can also then use the chuck on another lathe if need be.



Good luck making the decision

-A

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I know - all this leads me to believe that the Enco price is actually quite good.

On 4/15/2006 at 2:28 PM almus_kenter wrote:

fully machined 6" D1-4 Adapter plate is $147.xx

it costs more than the chuck.

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Rich
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--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "almus_kenter" <akenter@...> wrote:

I just checked KBCtools.com
(note their catalog prices are out of date, you have to
check their web price)


The bison 6" 4J is ON SALE for 137.00

8" for 182

These are plain backs.... you need the adaptor plate.

I will post that when I find the price.

-Almus

fully machined 6" D1-4 Adapter plate is $147.xx

it costs more than the chuck.

-Almus

FYI...? According to the following link Bison makes a 6" 4j

Eric

I just checked KBCtools.com
(note their catalog prices are out of date, you have to
check their web price)


The bison 6" 4J is ON SALE for 137.00

8" for 182

These are plain backs.... you need the adaptor plate.

I will post that when I find the price.

-Almus

--- In emcoV10lathe@..., Richard Kleinhenz <richk@...> wrote:

I see that Enco has the 8" Bison with D1-4 back for $318 plus tax,

free shipping. I am no longer floored by the prices of these things
and realized I consider it a bargain now... may go for it. Darn
thing is 38 lb!





Check out
They have 6" 4j plain backs:

7-850-0300 3-1/2 inch 1.000 3.4 lbs. $ 160.
7-850-0400 4 inch --- --- 170.
7-850-0500 5 inch 1.0236 8 lbs 175.
7-850-0600 6 inch 1.6535 9 lbs. 195.
7-850-0800 8 inch 1.9685 32 lbs. 255.

you can then get the adaptor plates for ~150.00


You can find them cheaper at various times.

Look at KBCtools; sometimes they are very cheap,
also there are some ebay vendors of bison stuff.



But you are right; look at the weight diff between
the 6 and 8 inch!! Holy crap!!

Maybe you are right; maybe the 6" is the way to go.

-Almus

I see that Enco has the 8" Bison with D1-4 back for $318 plus tax, free shipping. I am no longer floored by the prices of these things and realized I consider it a bargain now... may go for it. Darn thing is 38 lb!

On 4/15/2006 at 1:44 PM almus_kenter wrote:

I think Bison stuff is great. I have their set-tru 5c
collet chuck. In fact, If I didn't ahve a EMCO 3J
I would get a bison #J set tru; great support, spare parts,
jaws, etc...
I will check the weights of the 3j versus the 4j

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Rich
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Is that $270 new or used? Sounds like an excellent price! How much was the resistor?

I know mine won't fit into the lathe - you probably don't have the 'safety electric' version - in that one all the space is taken up with the extra relays etc

On 4/15/2006 at 1:33 PM almus_kenter wrote:

What VFD do you have? I understand some VFDs have the control

circuit built in so externally you just need a passive resistor.

I only need a passive resistor. My VFD is a Westinghouse-TECO.
I have one one for my mill as well; I like having the "shared
heritage" for the benefit of the learning curve.

I paid 270.xx for it. So far I think it is great, Like Dave
I manged to get mine inside the back of the lathe.

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Rich
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I have a V10P lathe as well as my S11...OK I confess
I also have a compact 8..(but I am getting rid of it)

I have the 4J for the V10P; it is beautiful. It is light-weight
/narrow bodied. It is nominally 6". In fact it is one of
the main reasons that I am keeping the V10P lathe; 'cause
I have a 4J that fits it.

I don't think that the S11 would have any problem with
an 8" 4J. In fact I would only get one smaller
if it were a great deal. The V10P +i think+ is < 1hp.

I think Bison stuff is great. I have their set-tru 5c
collet chuck. In fact, If I didn't ahve a EMCO 3J
I would get a bison #J set tru; great support, spare parts,
jaws, etc...
I will check the weights of the 3j versus the 4j

-A

What VFD do you have? I understand some VFDs have the control

circuit built in so externally you just need a passive resistor.

I only need a passive resistor. My VFD is a Westinghouse-TECO.
I have one one for my mill as well; I like having the "shared
heritage" for the benefit of the learning curve.

I paid 270.xx for it. So far I think it is great, Like Dave
I manged to get mine inside the back of the lathe.

-ALmus

On 4/14/2006 at 7:19 PM Richard Kleinhenz wrote:

And I also came across the term semi-steel as I am looking
for info on chucks.

Found out what semi-steel is. Apparently can be good but not necessarily...

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Rich
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On 4/14/2006 at 7:19 PM Richard Kleinhenz wrote:

What's 'C1'?

OOPS that's CI not C1 and abbr. for Cast Iron I bet :-)

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Rich
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Thanks for the info

What's 'C1'? And I also came across the term semi-steel as I am looking for info on chucks.

On 4/15/2006 at 12:37 AM Frank Hasieber wrote:
Rich I think the S11 could take it, at the spindle bore you have the
spindle could very well be the same as the V13, which would mean the same
bearings, Steel bodied? No they aren’t, some have CI bodies, on the V10,
NO, I think this would be pushing it, (but the S11 appears to be more than
an upgrade to the V10, more like a cross between the V10 and V13, but I
have never seen an S11 in real life,) this thing is heavy, and you don’t
want to drop it on your toes! At maximum safe opening the jaws clear the
bed of the V13, but at 13” swing this has extra center height compared to
the S11, I will measure the max OD across the jaws at maximum opening and
get back to you, I had a thought, I will check on whether or not I can get
the body for the turret stop flame cut and how much it will cost, shipping
costs could be the problem, but others might be interested if the price is
right.

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Rich
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