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Engine room tips?

 

So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.

I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?

Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this. Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?
 

Gee the only thing I can think of is maybe put in a little muffin fan or something to give you some circulation keep it a little cooler I might be easier to set up with that cabins empty


On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 12:22 PM Ryan Sweet <ryan@...> wrote:
So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.

I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?

Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this.? Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?
Bob Jennings
 

Ryan, if you have a sailboat with a lead keel consider connecting the ground to one of the keel bolts.?


On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 2:33 PM Phil Costello <Pcostelloaprn@...> wrote:
Gee the only thing I can think of is maybe put in a little muffin fan or something to give you some circulation keep it a little cooler I might be easier to set up with that cabins empty

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 12:22 PM Ryan Sweet <ryan@...> wrote:
So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.

I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?

Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this.? Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?
 

Remove everything that was associated with the diesel engine that you can. Wiring, fuel lines?, muffler, hoses etc... It will never be as easy to remove after your EP system is installed.?

On Aug 15, 2020 12:22 PM, Ryan Sweet <ryan@...> wrote:

So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.

I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?

Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this.? Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?






 

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One of things that I did as a safety concern was to have the fuel port removed and glassed in.? I had this nightmare of someone attempting to fuel the boat and dumping gasoline into the engine compartment.

John

On 8/15/2020 5:12 PM, Mike Girardo via groups.io wrote:

Remove everything that was associated with the diesel engine that you can. Wiring, fuel lines?, muffler, hoses etc... It will never be as easy to remove after your EP system is installed.?

On Aug 15, 2020 12:22 PM, Ryan Sweet <ryan@...> wrote:

So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.

I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?

Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this.? Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?






Peter Zephyr
 

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Also keep all the pieces of the old engine you might be surprised at how much you might get for them.?

Rgds Peter

On Aug 15, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Mike Girardo via groups.io <biankablog@...> wrote:

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Remove everything that was associated with the diesel engine that you can. Wiring, fuel lines?, muffler, hoses etc... It will never be as easy to remove after your EP system is installed.?

On Aug 15, 2020 12:22 PM, Ryan Sweet <ryan@...> wrote:

So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.

I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?

Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this.? Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?






 

Consider a ducting system to deal with the warm breeze coming off the motor and controller.
We direct ours down the bilge, which is permanently dry now for the first time in decades.

Cheers

Mich


On Sun., 16 Aug. 2020, 02:22 Ryan Sweet, <ryan@...> wrote:
So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.

I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?

Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this.? Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?
 

Good time to replace the stuffing box flax and it’s hose.

On Aug 15, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Ryan Sweet <ryan@...> wrote:

?So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.

I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?

Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this. Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?
Bob Jennings
 

Good time to replace it with a dripless unit.


On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:39 PM Richard Mair via <fullkeel2000=[email protected]> wrote:
Good time to replace the stuffing box flax and it’s hose.
> On Aug 15, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Ryan Sweet <ryan@...> wrote:
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> ?So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.
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> I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?
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> Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this.? Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?
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Thank you for all the suggestions!?
The diesel is out. What a messy exercise.?
So many unnecessary holes in the hull now. Much work to do.?

On Aug 17, 2020, at 16:45, Bob Jennings <heatnh@...> wrote:

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Good time to replace it with a dripless unit.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:39 PM Richard Mair via <fullkeel2000=[email protected]> wrote:
Good time to replace the stuffing box flax and it’s hose.
> On Aug 15, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Ryan Sweet <ryan@...> wrote:
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> ?So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.
>
> I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?
>
> Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this.? Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?
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Hi Ryan,

Perhaps I am lucky but I will be able to use the above waterline wet exhaust thru hull as another cockpit drain. My cockpit has a ridiculously small drain 1 inch I think and would take a looonnng time to drain if I was ever swamped by a following sea.

For the engine raw water intake ?? I will pull the valve and cap it off for now with a pipe cap and will use it later for something like a small watermaker intake? or a drain for a small day sink in the cockpit seating directly above the thru hull? Not with a faucet just a sink with a plug and cover for use with sea water! ?It would be a good place to clean a fish, wash my socks or do dishes when its to hot inside.

If anyone has other suggestions for these new holes or thinks I shouldn’t do these types of mods let me know please as I am no expert I am just trying to think my way around extra fiberglass projects.

Cheers Lee.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ryan Sweet
Sent: August 18, 2020 8:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [electricboats] Engine room tips?

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Thank you for all the suggestions!?

The diesel is out. What a messy exercise.?

So many unnecessary holes in the hull now. Much work to do.?



On Aug 17, 2020, at 16:45, Bob Jennings <heatnh@...> wrote:

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Good time to replace it with a dripless unit.

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On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:39 PM Richard Mair via <fullkeel2000=[email protected]> wrote:

Good time to replace the stuffing box flax and it’s hose.
> On Aug 15, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Ryan Sweet <ryan@...> wrote:
>
> ?So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.
>
> I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?
>
> Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this.? Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?
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Lee,
I would suggest putting a proper sea cock on the thru-hull, so that when you find something you do want to use it for, you can connect to the sea cock and just turn it on.

I had a somewhat similar situation on my 1980 Chris Craft 410 Commander that I recently bought.? When the boat was hauled out, I discovered that there were two more thru-hulls than I knew about - for a total of 7!!!
Two for the engines, one for the generator, one for the AC units, one for the aft head (run off sea water), one for the forward head, and one that I never did figure out...? ?

I was told (and see from experience) that if sea cocks are not exercised regularly, they get stuck, and the handles will break off before the sea cock moves from open to closed (or closed to open).? Since I didn't need several of the thru-hulls (the heads will be run from fresh water, not sea water), and since I couldn't get to them easily to regularly operate and keep functional, I had the yard glass over them.

However, I kept the 4 main thru-hulls, and had the sea cocks replaced.? ?

Yes - you can use newly available thru-hulls for AC systems, generators, or drains for sinks, etc.? Though - (at least on power boats) the sink drains seem to go to thru-hulls placed ABOVE the water line....? Something else you could use the thru-hull for is a sea-water wash down (for anchors, or for the deck).

Good luck!
John

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020, 10:11:52 AM CDT, Lee Chrystal <lee@...> wrote:


Hi Ryan,

Perhaps I am lucky but I will be able to use the above waterline wet exhaust thru hull as another cockpit drain. My cockpit has a ridiculously small drain 1 inch I think and would take a looonnng time to drain if I was ever swamped by a following sea.

For the engine raw water intake ?? I will pull the valve and cap it off for now with a pipe cap and will use it later for something like a small watermaker intake? or a drain for a small day sink in the cockpit seating directly above the thru hull? Not with a faucet just a sink with a plug and cover for use with sea water! ?It would be a good place to clean a fish, wash my socks or do dishes when its to hot inside.

If anyone has other suggestions for these new holes or thinks I shouldn’t do these types of mods let me know please as I am no expert I am just trying to think my way around extra fiberglass projects.

Cheers Lee.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ryan Sweet
Sent: August 18, 2020 8:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [electricboats] Engine room tips?

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Thank you for all the suggestions!?

The diesel is out. What a messy exercise.?

So many unnecessary holes in the hull now. Much work to do.?



On Aug 17, 2020, at 16:45, Bob Jennings <heatnh@...> wrote:

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Good time to replace it with a dripless unit.

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On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:39 PM Richard Mair via <fullkeel2000=[email protected]> wrote:

Good time to replace the stuffing box flax and it’s hose.
> On Aug 15, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Ryan Sweet <ryan@...> wrote:
>
> ?So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.
>
> I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?
>
> Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this.? Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?
>
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Lee Chrystal
 

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John,

Those are great ideas, My seacock was frozen so I capped it at the thru hull but now I will replace it then cap it before I go in the water.

I love the anchor wash idea.

Anyone else have another idea or have done something with these thru hulls?

Thanks,Lee.

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of john via groups.io
Sent: August 18, 2020 9:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [electricboats] Engine room tips?

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Lee,

I would suggest putting a proper sea cock on the thru-hull, so that when you find something you do want to use it for, you can connect to the sea cock and just turn it on.

?

I had a somewhat similar situation on my 1980 Chris Craft 410 Commander that I recently bought.? When the boat was hauled out, I discovered that there were two more thru-hulls than I knew about - for a total of 7!!!

Two for the engines, one for the generator, one for the AC units, one for the aft head (run off sea water), one for the forward head, and one that I never did figure out...? ?

?

I was told (and see from experience) that if sea cocks are not exercised regularly, they get stuck, and the handles will break off before the sea cock moves from open to closed (or closed to open).? Since I didn't need several of the thru-hulls (the heads will be run from fresh water, not sea water), and since I couldn't get to them easily to regularly operate and keep functional, I had the yard glass over them.

?

However, I kept the 4 main thru-hulls, and had the sea cocks replaced.? ?

?

Yes - you can use newly available thru-hulls for AC systems, generators, or drains for sinks, etc.? Though - (at least on power boats) the sink drains seem to go to thru-hulls placed ABOVE the water line....? Something else you could use the thru-hull for is a sea-water wash down (for anchors, or for the deck).

?

Good luck!

John

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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020, 10:11:52 AM CDT, Lee Chrystal <lee@...> wrote:

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Hi Ryan,

Perhaps I am lucky but I will be able to use the above waterline wet exhaust thru hull as another cockpit drain. My cockpit has a ridiculously small drain 1 inch I think and would take a looonnng time to drain if I was ever swamped by a following sea.

For the engine raw water intake ?? I will pull the valve and cap it off for now with a pipe cap and will use it later for something like a small watermaker intake? or a drain for a small day sink in the cockpit seating directly above the thru hull? Not with a faucet just a sink with a plug and cover for use with sea water! ?It would be a good place to clean a fish, wash my socks or do dishes when its to hot inside.

If anyone has other suggestions for these new holes or thinks I shouldn’t do these types of mods let me know please as I am no expert I am just trying to think my way around extra fiberglass projects.

Cheers Lee.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ryan Sweet
Sent: August 18, 2020 8:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [electricboats] Engine room tips?

?

Thank you for all the suggestions!?

The diesel is out. What a messy exercise.?

So many unnecessary holes in the hull now. Much work to do.?

?

On Aug 17, 2020, at 16:45, Bob Jennings <heatnh@...> wrote:

?

Good time to replace it with a dripless unit.

?

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:39 PM Richard Mair via <fullkeel2000=[email protected]> wrote:

Good time to replace the stuffing box flax and it’s hose.
> On Aug 15, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Ryan Sweet <ryan@...> wrote:
>
> ?So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.
>
> I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?
>
> Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this.? Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?
>
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>
>


 

Only paint the sections that are hard to reach after the electric install.
You'll need grind and to glass in support for your motor and other items, and then paint your fresh installed items.

On 15-8-2020 18:22, Ryan Sweet wrote:
So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.

I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?

Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this. Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?




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Thanks for all the tips! The frame is in and the motor and controller go in today.

I’ll post with an update.

Here’s one additional idea I had which has already proven useful: I lined each side of the bilge under the engine room with an adhesive magnet sheet, so now when nuts and washer fall in, they stick to the sides.

When I removed the old engine, after decades of dropped pieces, there was probably a pound of metal just in washers and nuts that had fallen down there.

On Aug 18, 2020, at 09:39, Han Bijlard <jwm.bijlard@...> wrote:

?Only paint the sections that are hard to reach after the electric install.
You'll need grind and to glass in support for your motor and other items, and then paint your fresh installed items.


On 15-8-2020 18:22, Ryan Sweet wrote:
So my appointment with the crane to vanquish the Diesel engine and begin the electric install is on Monday.

I plan to clean and paint the whole engine room. Any tips from those of you that have done the conversion on things to do in prep for the electric install or things you wish you had done when the engine room was empty?

Also, any advice on routing the AC ground wire? Previously it was attached to the Deisel and I assume grounded through the shaft and prop, I’ve seen conflicting advice about this. Some say it’s bad for the prop zincs?




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Hopefully, you’ll be using stainless fasteners - which are non-magnetic!
 

Wow I did not think of that smart !!!


On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 4:02 PM Graham McGlashan <grahammcglashan@...> wrote:
Hopefully, you’ll be using stainless fasteners - which are non-magnetic!
 

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Illustrating why I’m excited to always be learning ;-).?

On Aug 23, 2020, at 13:02, Graham McGlashan <grahammcglashan@...> wrote:

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Hopefully, you’ll be using stainless fasteners - which are non-magnetic!
 

Some stainless is magnetic




On Sunday, August 23, 2020, 13:02, Graham McGlashan <grahammcglashan@...> wrote:

Hopefully, you’ll be using stainless fasteners - which are non-magnetic!
 

On 24/8/20 6:41 am, sw via groups.io wrote:
Some stainless is magnetic
Yes, but that type is probably not suitable for marine use - or in use where it MAY get exposed to salt water.

When you stick stainless in salt water you rapidly discover there more to stainless steel than just the word. Salt water can rapidly corrode the cheaper grades of stainless steel.

A quick check with google says if your stainless steel is magnetic, it's probably 304 grade and is not suitable for use in salt water environments.

Another gotcha is don't mix stainless steel fixings with aluminum. The dissimilar metals will start to galvanic corrode the moment it gets an electrolyte on it - i.e. salt water.

Nasty stuff salt water, wrecks all sorts of things.

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