<You can read a 100 different for and against bearings on steady rest.> Hi, Ralph, Having used it without bearings numerous times, I can't think of a disadvantage of adding bearings. At any rate, I am making new "fingers" for the bearings, so I can always change back if it actually becomes an issue. -- Regards, Charlie New Jersey, USA
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
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Gentlemen, you are far more advance then I am.? This give me an ice cream headache, and I haven't ate any ice cream. Thank you though for entertaining my novice, pretend hobbiest questions. I make things for me related to my hobbies, I don't sell anything.? I've got a long list of stuff to make me.? Like...I want make myself a very cool box of drawers to hold my collection of silk sewing threads... drawers with glass fronts so you can see all the beautiful colors....? My dear husband is pretty smart, instead of me giving him a list of stuff I want, he gives me a CNC router to figure out how to make it myself... the Guys a genius right?? And as of now, I have all fingers intact and have never injured myself.? Another cool cabinet for my unimat lathe... she is a beautiful little lathe... for decade + when I can think about retiring, if I am blessed with good health. From:? Jim.Klessig@...It sounds to me like you have more than 1 issue. One is getting your pendant working,?and the second (from what you originally said),?it sounds to me like you are ending up with missing steps which I think is a bigger issue.?That could have a number of possible causes, some of which could be mechanical, some could be electrical, others could be software. Yes, you are correct, the "homing" back to 0,0,0, was fixed when we removed the parallel port connections and went to USB.? The need to be ultra precise, this is my own issue...it is probably no big deal in the rest of the world.? But how much runout is acceptable if you are turning a piece of metal in a lathe.? +/- tolerance. The migration to Planet CNC TNG fixed it to the tolerance of the steppers.??
From John Dammeyer:? "The learning curve for installing?LinuxCNC?and getting it working is steep."
Yep, this is reason enough for me not to try this.
This is my email, any suggestions?? <lol>?
Hi, I have Planet CNC / TNG that I purchased from Digital Wood Carver for my? CNC Router.? The system runs a gecko540 and is connected to a laptop with USB.? Does the software, Planet CNC/TNG allow me to add a pendant controller?? If Yes, please advise if you have instructions for me to add the pendant controller.? I do not like using my laptop keys to move the router to a specific point that I want to start carving from and when I tell the router to return to 0,0,0, it could be off 1/16" of an inch and then I have no confidence in running a two sided job.? It takes me approximately 6 minutes to get the router back to a marked with pencil start of 0,0,0 to run a 3 minute job for a 2 sided picture frame.
Realistically on this oval frame that I'm trying to make for a mirror, would be so much easier with a pin router.??
Thanks,
Tamra
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
??? ??? to add to Johns post below . if it doesn't? miss steps on
all the? axis's? try swapping the axis plugs on the controller
& see if you still have missed steps on the original port .
??? ??? animal
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Just some random thoughts.
It sounds to me like you have more than 1 issue. One is getting
your pendant working,?and the second (from what you originally
said),?it sounds to me like you are ending up with missing steps
which I think is a bigger issue.?That could have a number of
possible causes, some of which could be mechanical, some could be
electrical, others could be software.
Which any of them is can depend on how you look at it.?
Ultimately if you are skipping steps, the software is pushing the
hardware faster than it can go.
That might be the software not having the capability of the system
input properly in to thinks like slew rate limits cutting speed
limits etc.
This is where having another software suite available could be
valuable.
If you never skip steps in Mach, and only see it in the Planet
CNC, well then it is the software that you want to look at]
You talk like it can be one OR the other, but not both being
available to you.
.
It might be the drivers not having their current limit set
properly. {Were those replaced when you had your "glitch?}
It might be your motors are under sized for your system {Unlikely
unless you changed them}
It might be a mechanical issue, [is everything free of sawdust?,
does the "sound" of the system change at any point when moving the
full range?]?
Is the problem limited to a single axis??
Does it happen when you are not cutting anything [but air]?
If it only happens when you are cutting [More likely with any of
the causes] does how often or how much you are off 0,0,0 seem to
relate to how MUCH you are cutting, or how new/sharp the bit is?
?
"?I admit my
logic was flawed when I thought it would be fun to learn how to
use a CNC router."
Cant help you there, but your perspective may change when you
are "on the other side" of solving the issue.
Jim Klessig
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You can read a 100 different for and against bearings on steady rest.
Ralph
Barry,
Apologies... I didn't remember the Real Bull Steady Rest properly. It doesn't open, but has a fixed opening for removing work. See photo below. I have yet to add bearings to mine.
--
Regards,
Charlie
New Jersey, USA
SATTINGER¡¯S LAW: It works better if you plug it in.
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Clausing 8520, Craftsman 12x36 Lathe, 4x12 mini lathe, 14" Delta drill press, 40 watt laser, Consew brushless DC motors and a non working 3D printer
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Barry, Apologies... I didn't remember the Real Bull Steady Rest properly. It doesn't open, but has a fixed opening for removing work. See photo below. I have yet to add bearings to mine.  -- Regards, Charlie New Jersey, USA
SATTINGER¡¯S LAW: It works better if you plug it in.
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
I have a JGRO CNC Router.? Here's a web site where someone described their build process.
Mine is a modified version of that which it seems most people do at some point. I used a PMDX-125 Break out Board for it and MACH3 along with a Shuttle Express pendant all running on WIN-XP.? It's now like my table saw.? If I need wood routing I switch it on, insert the USB stick with the G-Code and carve something.? At one point many years ago I even mounted a nozzle and tried 3D printing with it but the machine is too massive for the fast motion required by 3D printing.? At the moment it has ball screws on X and Y. ? Anyway, from there I went to adding CNC to my mill.? I built up a dual boot PC with MACH3 and LinuxCNC and the major requirement was that it had to run with parallel ports so I bought the newer PMDX-126 break out board.? Although it worked well enough I found that with the bigger DC Servos it really wasn't fast enough for pure parallel port operation so I tried both the USB based Smooth Stepper I borrowed from the JGRO CNC router which worked well. ? Then I bought a MESA 7i92H which uses Ethernet and creates two parallel ports. ?I now rarely boot that PC into WIN-XP and MACH3.? So it seems I've made the conversion into LinuxCNC.? Although if for some reason I really had to use Windows upgrading the PC to the latest OS, MACH4 and Ethernet Smooth Stepper would work.? But why would I pay over $500 to get the same thing for free except the $89 MESA board? ? For the mill I use the "HB04 USB Pendant".? Search Aliexpress for what it looks like.? Mine is a slightly older version but there is support for it with LinuxCNC. ? The learning curve for installing LinuxCNC and getting it working is steep.? It may be easier to rewire the machine to use one of the more extensive Ethernet based BoB controllers from MESA.? Best ask on the Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@... ? John ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: March-18-21 9:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,? ??? ??? no prob , I was just thinkin GRBL cause it's free , It's open source & has a lot of support on its forums ??? ??? animal On 3/17/2021 8:43 PM, Tamra wrote: Hi Mike,
Nope, I only have 3 axis,? ?If GRBL = motion control, then it is easier to go back to Mach 3.
Yes, I have stepper motors and a control box that are functioning that is separate from a laptop.? Unit functions fine.
The control box has a Gecko 540, fan, normal stuff.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't want to learn another system, and buy more software.? I just want a pendant!
Tamra
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
Just some random thoughts. It sounds to me like you have more than 1 issue. One is getting your pendant working,?and the second (from what you originally said),?it sounds to me like you are ending up with missing steps which I think is a bigger issue.?That could have a number of possible causes, some of which could be mechanical, some could be electrical, others could be software. Which any of them is can depend on how you look at it.? Ultimately if you are skipping steps, the software is pushing the hardware faster than it can go. That might be the software not having the capability of the system input properly in to thinks like slew rate limits cutting speed limits etc. This is where having another software suite available could be valuable. If you never skip steps in Mach, and only see it in the Planet CNC, well then it is the software that you want to look at] You talk like it can be one OR the other, but not both being available to you. . It might be the drivers not having their current limit set properly. {Were those replaced when you had your "glitch?} It might be your motors are under sized for your system {Unlikely unless you changed them} It might be a mechanical issue, [is everything free of sawdust?, does the "sound" of the system change at any point when moving the full range?]? Is the problem limited to a single axis?? Does it happen when you are not cutting anything [but air]? If it only happens when you are cutting [More likely with any of the causes] does how often or how much you are off 0,0,0 seem to relate to how MUCH you are cutting, or how new/sharp the bit is?
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"?I admit my logic was flawed when I thought it would be fun to learn how to use a CNC router."
Cant help you there, but your perspective may change when you are "on the other side" of solving the issue.
Jim Klessig
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
??? ??? no prob , I was just thinkin GRBL cause it's free , It's
open source & has a lot of support on its forums
??? ??? animal
On 3/17/2021 8:43 PM, Tamra wrote:
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Hi Mike,
Nope, I only have 3 axis,? ?If GRBL = motion control, then it is
easier to go back to Mach 3.
Yes, I have stepper motors and a control box that are functioning
that is separate from a laptop.? Unit functions fine.
The control box has a Gecko 540, fan, normal stuff.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't want to learn another
system, and buy more software.? I just want a pendant!
Tamra
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
I'm using Mach4 Hobby on a LMS3990 converted to CNC. I purchased the ShuttlePro v2 for a pendant and it all works fine together. My electronics are PMDX-411 and 340. I've never used the Path option in FreeCAD, but Mill Wizard has done everything I wanted, so far. I believe the smaller ShuttleExpress would work as well, but you'd have to ask the guys at Mach4. I only use the X, Y, Z buttons even thought there are many more assignable buttons on the ShuttlePro.
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
Hi Mike,
Nope, I only have 3 axis,? ?If GRBL = motion control, then it is easier to go back to Mach 3.
Yes, I have stepper motors and a control box that are functioning that is separate from a laptop.? Unit functions fine.
The control box has a Gecko 540, fan, normal stuff.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't want to learn another system, and buy more software.? I just want a pendant!
Tamra
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
??? ??? okdokie I get it . Do you have the hardware for the
Planet stuff ?Have you ever considered GRBL . Maybe not I think
you need 4 axis ? Just kinda thinkin outloud
??? ??? animal
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Hi Mike,?
Yes, I own Mach 3, because the old Digital Wood Carvers worked
with Mach 3.? When my system, or control box got an electrical
surge,? ?my steps were crazy, so they required I switch to Planet
CNC TNG.? That resolved the first stepping issue.
The new guy who is good,? had no idea how to use Mach 3, so the
first order was to learn to use the machine.? ?His name is Laney
and he has his own channel Spindle TV on You Tube.
I definitely could get support at the Mach 3 groups.io and I did
join a long time ago... the Digital Wood Carver people won't
trouble shoot my machine issues if I go back to Mach 3 to get my
pendant controller back.
Tamra
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
One more thought...?
(Laney, is just another "voice" talking about Vectric's product.? I think Vectric is in the UK.? I like the product and their software user group.? )
Tamra
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
Hi Mike,?
Yes, I own Mach 3, because the old Digital Wood Carvers worked with Mach 3.? When my system, or control box got an electrical surge,? ?my steps were crazy, so they required I switch to Planet CNC TNG.? That resolved the first stepping issue.
The new guy who is good,? had no idea how to use Mach 3, so the first order was to learn to use the machine.? ?His name is Laney and he has his own channel Spindle TV on You Tube.
I definitely could get support at the Mach 3 groups.io and I did join a long time ago... the Digital Wood Carver people won't trouble shoot my machine issues if I go back to Mach 3 to get my pendant controller back.
Tamra
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
??? ??? well , sorry? but so far you know more than I do . I has
to google Plant CNC TNG . So let me get this right .
??? ??? 1 . you own a copy of Mach 3 with a license .
??? ??? 2 . Mach will not support you & they want you to go
to another vendor ?? Why , cause your not a billion $ company
??? ??? animal
On 3/16/2021 8:33 PM, Tamra wrote:
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Hi Mike,
I had mach 3 originally with my CNC router and still have my
license.? To continue mfg support they required I moved to Planet
CNC TNG.??
Tamra
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
Are my questions reasonable?? Am I asking the question with the right words?
I'm going to contact Planet CNC TNG and ask if I can use their software and can add the pendant controller.
If I am unable to add a pendant controller to the Planet CNC TNG then I have to migrate to a different router controller (Mach 3, linux, etc) or upgrade to their other option.
Is my logic (related to my digital problem flawed)?? I admit my logic was flawed when I thought it would be fun to learn how to use a CNC router.
Thanks - Tamra
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
Charlie, I would welcome that email if it is something he is willing to consider...
I cannot post anything in the super large CNC forum, and I've never been able to reset myself there, as I went there for assistance.
Tamra
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On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 03:39 PM, Barry McDOwell wrote:
The steady is brilliant, my Real Bull came with both fixed and travelling steadies so I guess I was lucky. ?
Hi, Barry, I agree 100% re John's Steady! My Real Bull also came with Steady and Traveling Rests, but my 3-point Steady Rest is not split, I.E., it will not open like John's. He has suggested that I modify it, which should be a simple little project. It was great Skyping with you the other evening! (Well, morning for you Down Under!) Have a good time in the shop today!!! -- Regards, Charlie New Jersey, USA
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John, That is truly beautiful work! Thanks for sharing the photos! Re your question, I think that the most recently posted photos appear nearest the top. So, for future reference, if you want the photos in chronological order, you have to post them in reverse chronological order, I.E., finished photos first. -- Regards, Charlie New Jersey, USA
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
Hi, Tamra, I have a friend who built his own CNC router. If you still have not resolved your issue, I can ask him if he minds contacting you, either here or elsewhere, and sharing how he handled the electronics and software. Please LMK if that would be helpful. I do not know what hardware, software or OS he is running. -- Regards, Charlie New Jersey, USA
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"There?they go!
I must hasten and follow after them,
for I am their leader!"
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Re: CNC Router Pendant Controller - I want to micro step to start at 0,0,0,
#WOOD
Hi Mike,
I had mach 3 originally with my CNC router and still have my license.? To continue mfg support they required I moved to Planet CNC TNG.??
Tamra
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Tamra
Jim