Re: how to delete a book?
Hi Adrien,
Yes, it's very simple.
When in the folder structure, navigate to the book, then hold down the Mode button, the one below the Play button. It will sound like it's screwing up a piece of paper. The book is then deleted.
Note you must be on the folder itself, not playing the book, when you delete it.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: 19 November 2022 16:05 To: [email protected]Subject: [dap-uk] how to delete a book? Hi I need to delete some books from my sd card in my milestone 312 ace, I cannot find out how to do this, is there an easy way to do this please? They are rnib talking books, so are in the book shelf. I know how to delete from audio but not books when you press the select button. Regards Adrien
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Re: how to delete a book?
all I do is sit on the name of the book press arrow down and select one after each other and delete the book take care
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On 19 Nov 2022, at 4:24 pm, Mrs Villa <mrsvilla@...> wrote:
?If you put your card in your Victor stream you could do it from their. Sorry that's my only suggestion. Best Mrs Villa
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Hi
I need to delete some books from my sd card in my milestone 312 ace, I cannot find out how to do this, is there an easy way to do this please? They are rnib talking books, so are in the book shelf. I know how to delete from audio but not books when you press the select button.
Regards
Adrien
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Re: how to delete a book?
If you put your card in your Victor stream you could do it from their. Sorry that's my only suggestion. Best Mrs Villa
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Hi
I need to delete some books from my sd card in my milestone 312 ace, I cannot find out how to do this, is there an easy way to do this please? They are rnib talking books, so are in the book shelf. I know how to delete from audio but not books when you press the select button.
Regards
Adrien
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Hi
I need to delete some books from my sd card in my milestone 312 ace, I cannot find out how to do this, is there an easy way to do this please? They are rnib talking books, so are in the book shelf. I know how to delete from audio but not books when you press the select button.
Regards
Adrien
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Hi Mrs Villa,
I couldn't agree with you more re the sports channel, though for exactly the opposite reason. BBC¡¯s sports coverage is lamentable because it tries to shoehorn it into other programming.
I also dislike the fact that BBC stations are available to people overseas on the TuneIn platform, but not to licence fee payers in the UK because TuneIn can¡¯t or won¡¯t make people sign into BBC accounts to track listening information.
If it's not available to the people who pay the licence, it shouldn't be available to anybody else.
Cheers,
Ed
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On 15 November 2022 14:51:15 "Mrs Villa" <mrsvilla@...> wrote:
Well said ray. I think the BBC are a very selfish organisation. I don't like the BBC all the government thinking one-size-fits-all. We all have to pay the licence fee. Even if it's reduced. Like you said not everybody is technically minded. They should also have a BBC Sports channel so that people who don't like sport don't have to watch it. And it doesn't interrupt normal programs. Best Mrs Villa
----- Original Message -----
I unfortunately would not put much hope in the DDA or its provision of
services under the equality act to bring the BBC let alone other
broadcasters to account in this latest move and likley threat to the
ease we as blind users can use the BBC's online services.
The blind community at least on many email lists I am on, is divided on
this subject. the smart smart phone set will always tend to take the
line its the fault of individuals who cannot, maybe in their view, will
not, access these services via phone apps and generally downplaying the
needs of a very sizable portion of UK BBC listeners and viewers and
promulgating a one size must fit all solution.
I estimate more than a third of blind users - going by what Jonathan
Mosen said about the numbers listening to his podcasts on specialist
devices - are missing out on the marvel that is BBC Sounds. they are
licence payers too, albeit at a reduced rate.
Again, and sadly, the BBC seems to compound it problems with an
ideologically hostile Government with the sin of jettisening older
listeners and those who do not take to on-line self-service delivery via
BBC Sounds.It would be much cleverer to hold on to the audience that
like even love curated radio streaming whilst attracting newer younger
listeners to its online presence. I know cost is certainly an issue
given the strategy of the Government to let the BBC whither on the vine
through letting inflation eat away at its funding with a nil increase in
the licence fee while keeping an out-dated way of collecting the licence
fee.
The BBC likes repeatedly saying "its your BBC". Okay, then, why not
actually listen to what many listeners and viewers are saying rather
than giving written statements to Feedback and other and ploughing on
regardless with their ill-thought out ,move to online use. (While we're
about it part of the licence fee actually goes to help fund the move to
faster connections and fibre to the home, as I understand it..
Some or all of these points could be brought up on In touch, if that is
they decide to look at the issue.
Ray.
On 14/11/2022 07:45 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote:
I? am afraid I? must disagree.
The level of dexterity needed for phones doesn't apply to most Blind people who lose there sight in later life, still the bulk of Blind people in Britain according to the Office of National Statistics
Also if the BBC were that on target how did they allow BritBox to start up without any AD.
The scope of the DDA? is greater than you would imagine, and at the end of the day it comes down to "What the legislators intended."
I? do not believe that the intention was that a?? public broadcaster should make life so complicated for many blind people that these discussions are still continuing.
Sorry to disagree with you Steve, as I? am a? great admirer of what you do, but the BBC have treated us as a? peripheral group,? with little thought and less consideration.
Best
Mary
PS if I? sound grouchy? awful day at work and then the commute.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 14 November 2022 10:14
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi,
I don't think they are breaking DDA, since disabled people can use Sounds, if they use it on a phone. You don't have to allow it on specialist players, and I don't think they are the way to go any more.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ltmmcarter@...
Sent: 12 November 2022 15:28
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
My problem is I? do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily.
Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple.
I? work all day in a? field which has nothing to do with computers Iand would like a Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction? with a? wide range of blind people.
Incidentally I? have a? friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I? can, he is also blind.
Best Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Think Steve has answered your question below little while back.
the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation.? Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic.
The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds.? Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries.? Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath.
Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you.
Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live.? Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format.? These announcements are sporadic though.
As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream.
Ray.
On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote:
Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u? think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
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Well said ray. I think the BBC are a very selfish organisation. I don't like the BBC all the government thinking one-size-fits-all. We all have to pay the licence fee. Even if it's reduced. Like you said not everybody is technically minded. They should also have a BBC Sports channel so that people who don't like sport don't have to watch it. And it doesn't interrupt normal programs. Best Mrs Villa
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----- Original Message ----- I unfortunately would not put much hope in the DDA or its provision of services under the equality act to bring the BBC let alone other broadcasters to account in this latest move and likley threat to the ease we as blind users can use the BBC's online services. The blind community at least on many email lists I am on, is divided on this subject. the smart smart phone set will always tend to take the line its the fault of individuals who cannot, maybe in their view, will not, access these services via phone apps and generally downplaying the needs of a very sizable portion of UK BBC listeners and viewers and promulgating a one size must fit all solution. I estimate more than a third of blind users - going by what Jonathan Mosen said about the numbers listening to his podcasts on specialist devices - are missing out on the marvel that is BBC Sounds. they are licence payers too, albeit at a reduced rate. Again, and sadly, the BBC seems to compound it problems with an ideologically hostile Government with the sin of jettisening older listeners and those who do not take to on-line self-service delivery via BBC Sounds.It would be much cleverer to hold on to the audience that like even love curated radio streaming whilst attracting newer younger listeners to its online presence. I know cost is certainly an issue given the strategy of the Government to let the BBC whither on the vine through letting inflation eat away at its funding with a nil increase in the licence fee while keeping an out-dated way of collecting the licence fee. The BBC likes repeatedly saying "its your BBC". Okay, then, why not actually listen to what many listeners and viewers are saying rather than giving written statements to Feedback and other and ploughing on regardless with their ill-thought out ,move to online use. (While we're about it part of the licence fee actually goes to help fund the move to faster connections and fibre to the home, as I understand it.. Some or all of these points could be brought up on In touch, if that is they decide to look at the issue. Ray. On 14/11/2022 07:45 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote: I am afraid I must disagree.
The level of dexterity needed for phones doesn't apply to most Blind people who lose there sight in later life, still the bulk of Blind people in Britain according to the Office of National Statistics
Also if the BBC were that on target how did they allow BritBox to start up without any AD.
The scope of the DDA is greater than you would imagine, and at the end of the day it comes down to "What the legislators intended."
I do not believe that the intention was that a public broadcaster should make life so complicated for many blind people that these discussions are still continuing.
Sorry to disagree with you Steve, as I am a great admirer of what you do, but the BBC have treated us as a peripheral group, with little thought and less consideration.
Best
Mary
PS if I sound grouchy awful day at work and then the commute.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 14 November 2022 10:14
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi,
I don't think they are breaking DDA, since disabled people can use Sounds, if they use it on a phone. You don't have to allow it on specialist players, and I don't think they are the way to go any more.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ltmmcarter@...
Sent: 12 November 2022 15:28
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
My problem is I do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily.
Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple.
I work all day in a field which has nothing to do with computers Iand would like a Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction with a wide range of blind people.
Incidentally I have a friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I can, he is also blind.
Best Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Think Steve has answered your question below little while back.
the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation. Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic.
The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds. Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries. Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath.
Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you.
Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live. Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format. These announcements are sporadic though.
As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream.
Ray.
On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote:
Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
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I agree with you Ray.
Andrew
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: 15 November 2022 11:50 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery I unfortunately would not put much hope in the DDA or its provision of services under the equality act to bring the BBC let alone other broadcasters to account in this latest move and likley threat to the ease we as blind users can use the BBC's online services. The blind community at least on many email lists I am on, is divided on this subject. the smart smart phone set will always tend to take the line its the fault of individuals who cannot, maybe in their view, will not, access these services via phone apps and generally downplaying the needs of a very sizable portion of UK BBC listeners and viewers and promulgating a one size must fit all solution. I estimate more than a third of blind users - going by what Jonathan Mosen said about the numbers listening to his podcasts on specialist devices - are missing out on the marvel that is BBC Sounds. they are licence payers too, albeit at a reduced rate. Again, and sadly, the BBC seems to compound it problems with an ideologically hostile Government with the sin of jettisening older listeners and those who do not take to on-line self-service delivery via BBC Sounds.It would be much cleverer to hold on to the audience that like even love curated radio streaming whilst attracting newer younger listeners to its online presence. I know cost is certainly an issue given the strategy of the Government to let the BBC whither on the vine through letting inflation eat away at its funding with a nil increase in the licence fee while keeping an out-dated way of collecting the licence fee. The BBC likes repeatedly saying "its your BBC". Okay, then, why not actually listen to what many listeners and viewers are saying rather than giving written statements to Feedback and other and ploughing on regardless with their ill-thought out ,move to online use. (While we're about it part of the licence fee actually goes to help fund the move to faster connections and fibre to the home, as I understand it.. Some or all of these points could be brought up on In touch, if that is they decide to look at the issue. Ray. On 14/11/2022 07:45 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote: I am afraid I must disagree.
The level of dexterity needed for phones doesn't apply to most Blind people who lose there sight in later life, still the bulk of Blind people in Britain according to the Office of National Statistics
Also if the BBC were that on target how did they allow BritBox to start up without any AD.
The scope of the DDA is greater than you would imagine, and at the end of the day it comes down to "What the legislators intended."
I do not believe that the intention was that a public broadcaster should make life so complicated for many blind people that these discussions are still continuing.
Sorry to disagree with you Steve, as I am a great admirer of what you do, but the BBC have treated us as a peripheral group, with little thought and less consideration.
Best
Mary
PS if I sound grouchy awful day at work and then the commute.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 14 November 2022 10:14
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi,
I don't think they are breaking DDA, since disabled people can use Sounds, if they use it on a phone. You don't have to allow it on specialist players, and I don't think they are the way to go any more.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ltmmcarter@...
Sent: 12 November 2022 15:28
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
My problem is I do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily.
Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple.
I work all day in a field which has nothing to do with computers Iand would like a Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction with a wide range of blind people.
Incidentally I have a friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I can, he is also blind.
Best Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Think Steve has answered your question below little while back.
the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation. Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic.
The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds. Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries. Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath.
Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you.
Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live. Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format. These announcements are sporadic though.
As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream.
Ray.
On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote:
Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
|
I unfortunately would not put much hope in the DDA or its provision of services under the equality act to bring the BBC let alone other broadcasters to account in this latest move and likley threat to the ease we as blind users can use the BBC's online services.
The blind community at least on many email lists I am on, is divided on this subject.? the smart smart phone set will always tend to take the line its the fault of individuals who cannot, maybe in their view, will not, access these services via phone apps and generally downplaying the needs of a very sizable portion of UK BBC listeners and viewers and promulgating a one size must fit all solution.
I estimate more than a third of blind users - going by what Jonathan Mosen said about the numbers listening to his podcasts on specialist devices - are missing out on the marvel that is BBC Sounds.? they are licence payers too, albeit at a reduced rate.
Again, and sadly, the BBC seems to compound it problems with an ideologically hostile Government with the sin of jettisening older listeners and those who do not take to on-line self-service delivery via BBC Sounds.It would be much cleverer to hold on to the audience that like even love curated radio streaming whilst attracting newer younger listeners to its online presence.? I know cost is certainly an issue given the strategy of the Government to let the BBC whither on the vine through letting inflation eat away at its funding with a nil increase in the licence fee while keeping an out-dated way of collecting the licence fee.
The BBC likes repeatedly saying "its your BBC".? Okay, then, why not actually listen to what many listeners and viewers are saying rather than giving written statements to Feedback and other and ploughing on regardless with their ill-thought out ,move to online use.? (While we're about it part of the licence fee actually goes to help fund the move to faster connections and fibre to the home, as I understand it..
Some or all of these points could be brought up on In touch, if that is they decide to look at the issue.
Ray.
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On 14/11/2022 07:45 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote: I am afraid I must disagree.
The level of dexterity needed for phones doesn't apply to most Blind people who lose there sight in later life, still the bulk of Blind people in Britain according to the Office of National Statistics
Also if the BBC were that on target how did they allow BritBox to start up without any AD.
The scope of the DDA is greater than you would imagine, and at the end of the day it comes down to "What the legislators intended."
I do not believe that the intention was that a public broadcaster should make life so complicated for many blind people that these discussions are still continuing.
Sorry to disagree with you Steve, as I am a great admirer of what you do, but the BBC have treated us as a peripheral group, with little thought and less consideration.
Best
Mary
PS if I sound grouchy awful day at work and then the commute.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 14 November 2022 10:14
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi,
I don't think they are breaking DDA, since disabled people can use Sounds, if they use it on a phone. You don't have to allow it on specialist players, and I don't think they are the way to go any more.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ltmmcarter@...
Sent: 12 November 2022 15:28
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
My problem is I do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily.
Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple.
I work all day in a field which has nothing to do with computers Iand would like a Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction with a wide range of blind people.
Incidentally I have a friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I can, he is also blind.
Best Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Think Steve has answered your question below little while back.
the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation. Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic.
The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds. Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries. Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath.
Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you.
Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live. Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format. These announcements are sporadic though.
As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream.
Ray.
On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote:
Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
|
Hi,
The BBBC have treated everyone shabbily lately and I don't really have time for them.
For example, delaying the Moneybox podcast by 28 days is ridiculous, so you can only hear it on Sounds to get the most up to date version.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of ltmmcarter@... Sent: 14 November 2022 19:46 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery I am afraid I must disagree. The level of dexterity needed for phones doesn't apply to most Blind people who lose there sight in later life, still the bulk of Blind people in Britain according to the Office of National Statistics Also if the BBC were that on target how did they allow BritBox to start up without any AD. The scope of the DDA is greater than you would imagine, and at the end of the day it comes down to "What the legislators intended." I do not believe that the intention was that a public broadcaster should make life so complicated for many blind people that these discussions are still continuing. Sorry to disagree with you Steve, as I am a great admirer of what you do, but the BBC have treated us as a peripheral group, with little thought and less consideration. Best Mary PS if I sound grouchy awful day at work and then the commute. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 14 November 2022 10:14 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery Hi, I don't think they are breaking DDA, since disabled people can use Sounds, if they use it on a phone. You don't have to allow it on specialist players, and I don't think they are the way to go any more. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of ltmmcarter@... Sent: 12 November 2022 15:28 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery My problem is I do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily. Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple. I work all day in a field which has nothing to do with computers Iand would like a Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction with a wide range of blind people. Incidentally I have a friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I can, he is also blind. Best Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery Think Steve has answered your question below little while back. the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation. Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic. The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds. Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries. Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath. Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you. Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live. Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format. These announcements are sporadic though. As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream. Ray. On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote: Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
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I am afraid I must disagree.
The level of dexterity needed for phones doesn't apply to most Blind people who lose there sight in later life, still the bulk of Blind people in Britain according to the Office of National Statistics
Also if the BBC were that on target how did they allow BritBox to start up without any AD.
The scope of the DDA is greater than you would imagine, and at the end of the day it comes down to "What the legislators intended."
I do not believe that the intention was that a public broadcaster should make life so complicated for many blind people that these discussions are still continuing.
Sorry to disagree with you Steve, as I am a great admirer of what you do, but the BBC have treated us as a peripheral group, with little thought and less consideration.
Best
Mary
PS if I sound grouchy awful day at work and then the commute.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 14 November 2022 10:14 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery Hi, I don't think they are breaking DDA, since disabled people can use Sounds, if they use it on a phone. You don't have to allow it on specialist players, and I don't think they are the way to go any more. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of ltmmcarter@... Sent: 12 November 2022 15:28 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery My problem is I do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily. Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple. I work all day in a field which has nothing to do with computers Iand would like a Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction with a wide range of blind people. Incidentally I have a friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I can, he is also blind. Best Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery Think Steve has answered your question below little while back. the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation. Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic. The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds. Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries. Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath. Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you. Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live. Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format. These announcements are sporadic though. As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream. Ray. On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote: Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
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Hi,
I don't think they are breaking DDA, since disabled people can use Sounds, if they use it on a phone. You don't have to allow it on specialist players, and I don't think they are the way to go any more.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of ltmmcarter@... Sent: 12 November 2022 15:28 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery My problem is I do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily. Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple. I work all day in a field which has nothing to do with computers Iand would like a Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction with a wide range of blind people. Incidentally I have a friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I can, he is also blind. Best Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery Think Steve has answered your question below little while back. the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation. Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic. The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds. Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries. Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath. Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you. Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live. Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format. These announcements are sporadic though. As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream. Ray. On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote: Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
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The more contactinging In Touch then the more its likely they will get around to tackling the issue - eventually.? I know one or two have said they will raise this with them.
As for RNIB, the email I got back from BBC Sounds mention RNIB as their source of what's viable for vI people, so make of that what you will.
I have contacted Humanware as I have mentioned previously but they appear to be waiting for the internet streams we are using to disappear before they will do anything about it.
So, in short, we shall see what we shall see.
Ray.
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On 13/11/2022 12:34 pm, Mrs Villa wrote: You are right Mary. You should be a pressure group working for us. Surely that's what the rnib should be doing. It seems like they don't care less. Best Mrs Villa
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Should we all write to in-touch to ask them to pick it up?
Also according to the BBC itself, there are parts of the UK where terrestrial stations are impossible to receive, or at least very hard to receive.
WE, blind people, just don't seems to have a pressure group working for us.
Best
Mary
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 12 November 2022 19:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Mary, I don't know about the DDA and access to this sort of service, but when it comes to radio then the BBC might argue that radio, good old steam radio, is still around and provides access for UK residents.
When it comes to catch up services and the fact we are increasingly told a current episode can be heard on BBC sound when breaking news interupts regular radio coverage, then finding and playing an episode of a programme via Sounds is quite an issue for a sizable portion of the blind population. Those who are totally blind or near totals have the biggest problem if they are not like the smart folk who've mastered the intricacies of IOS and Talkback. Add in dexterity problems and you have yet another problem with touch screen access.
How much one can access catch up via Amazon and Google speakers I do not know, but that is assuming you have enabled Sounds for these in the first place.
It might well be that, Humanware and others will catch up, eventually, with these changes, but as many will quickly point out, the hardware and sopistication of software to go with it is often sadly lacking. Someone pointed out recently that often out-of-date chip sets are used to bring the cost down which in any case is very high compared to those who can hack all of this using standard smart phones.
Its interesting though that Jonathan Mosen has said often that nearly a third listening to his podcats are using specialist players which, might or might not, tell us something about the proportion of blind people who can comfortubly use smart phones.
If some of us do write to In Touch about this change to the provision of internet radio we may, or well may not get an answer to what's happening and what specialist manufacturers may do about it. I personally will not expect much clairity to emerge though if In Touch does even tackle the issue.
Ray.
On 12/11/2022 03:27 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote:
My problem is I do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily.
Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple.
I work all day in a field which has nothing to do with computers
Iand would like a Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction with a wide range of blind people.
Incidentally I have a friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I can, he is also blind.
Best Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Think Steve has answered your question below little while back.
the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation. Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic.
The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds. Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries. Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath.
Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you.
Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live. Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format. These announcements are sporadic though.
As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream.
Ray.
On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote:
Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
|
You are right Mary. You should be a pressure group working for us. Surely that's what the rnib should be doing. It seems like they don't care less. Best Mrs Villa
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----- Original Message ----- Should we all write to in-touch to ask them to pick it up? Also according to the BBC itself, there are parts of the UK where terrestrial stations are impossible to receive, or at least very hard to receive. WE, blind people, just don't seems to have a pressure group working for us. Best Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: 12 November 2022 19:16 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery Mary, I don't know about the DDA and access to this sort of service, but when it comes to radio then the BBC might argue that radio, good old steam radio, is still around and provides access for UK residents. When it comes to catch up services and the fact we are increasingly told a current episode can be heard on BBC sound when breaking news interupts regular radio coverage, then finding and playing an episode of a programme via Sounds is quite an issue for a sizable portion of the blind population. Those who are totally blind or near totals have the biggest problem if they are not like the smart folk who've mastered the intricacies of IOS and Talkback. Add in dexterity problems and you have yet another problem with touch screen access. How much one can access catch up via Amazon and Google speakers I do not know, but that is assuming you have enabled Sounds for these in the first place. It might well be that, Humanware and others will catch up, eventually, with these changes, but as many will quickly point out, the hardware and sopistication of software to go with it is often sadly lacking. Someone pointed out recently that often out-of-date chip sets are used to bring the cost down which in any case is very high compared to those who can hack all of this using standard smart phones. Its interesting though that Jonathan Mosen has said often that nearly a third listening to his podcats are using specialist players which, might or might not, tell us something about the proportion of blind people who can comfortubly use smart phones. If some of us do write to In Touch about this change to the provision of internet radio we may, or well may not get an answer to what's happening and what specialist manufacturers may do about it. I personally will not expect much clairity to emerge though if In Touch does even tackle the issue. Ray. On 12/11/2022 03:27 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote: My problem is I do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily.
Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple.
I work all day in a field which has nothing to do with computers
Iand would like a Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction with a wide range of blind people.
Incidentally I have a friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I can, he is also blind.
Best Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Think Steve has answered your question below little while back.
the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation. Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic.
The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds. Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries. Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath.
Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you.
Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live. Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format. These announcements are sporadic though.
As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream.
Ray.
On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote:
Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
|
Should we all write to in-touch to ask them to pick it up?
Also according to the BBC itself, there are parts of the UK where terrestrial stations are impossible to receive, or at least very hard to receive.
WE, blind people, just don't seems to have a pressure group working for us.
Best
Mary
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: 12 November 2022 19:16 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery Mary, I don't know about the DDA and access to this sort of service, but when it comes to radio then the BBC might argue that radio, good old steam radio, is still around and provides access for UK residents. When it comes to catch up services and the fact we are increasingly told a current episode can be heard on BBC sound when breaking news interupts regular radio coverage, then finding and playing an episode of a programme via Sounds is quite an issue for a sizable portion of the blind population. Those who are totally blind or near totals have the biggest problem if they are not like the smart folk who've mastered the intricacies of IOS and Talkback. Add in dexterity problems and you have yet another problem with touch screen access. How much one can access catch up via Amazon and Google speakers I do not know, but that is assuming you have enabled Sounds for these in the first place. It might well be that, Humanware and others will catch up, eventually, with these changes, but as many will quickly point out, the hardware and sopistication of software to go with it is often sadly lacking. Someone pointed out recently that often out-of-date chip sets are used to bring the cost down which in any case is very high compared to those who can hack all of this using standard smart phones. Its interesting though that Jonathan Mosen has said often that nearly a third listening to his podcats are using specialist players which, might or might not, tell us something about the proportion of blind people who can comfortubly use smart phones. If some of us do write to In Touch about this change to the provision of internet radio we may, or well may not get an answer to what's happening and what specialist manufacturers may do about it. I personally will not expect much clairity to emerge though if In Touch does even tackle the issue. Ray. On 12/11/2022 03:27 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote: My problem is I do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily.
Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple.
I work all day in a field which has nothing to do with computers
Iand would like a Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction with a wide range of blind people.
Incidentally I have a friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I can, he is also blind.
Best Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Think Steve has answered your question below little while back.
the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation. Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic.
The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds. Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries. Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath.
Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you.
Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live. Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format. These announcements are sporadic though.
As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream.
Ray.
On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote:
Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
|
Mary, I don't know about the DDA and access to this sort of service, but when it comes to radio then the BBC might argue that radio, good old steam radio, is still around and provides access for UK residents.
When it comes to catch up services and the fact we are increasingly told a current episode can be heard on BBC sound when breaking news interupts regular radio coverage, then finding and playing an episode of a programme via Sounds is quite an issue for a sizable portion of the blind population.? Those who are totally blind or near totals have the biggest problem if they are not like the smart folk who've mastered the intricacies of IOS and Talkback.? Add in dexterity problems and you have yet another problem with touch screen access.
How much one can access catch up via Amazon and Google speakers I do not know, but that is assuming you have enabled Sounds for these in the first place.
It might well be that, Humanware and others will catch up, eventually, with these changes, but as many will quickly point out, the hardware and sopistication of software to go with it is often sadly lacking.? Someone pointed out recently that often out-of-date chip sets are used to bring the cost down which in any case is very high compared to those who can hack all of this using standard smart phones.
Its interesting though that Jonathan Mosen has said often that nearly a third listening to his podcats are using specialist players which, might or might not, tell us something about the proportion of blind people who can comfortubly use smart phones.
If some of us do write to In Touch about this change to the provision of internet radio we may, or well may not get an answer to what's happening and what specialist manufacturers may do about it.? I personally will not expect much clairity to emerge though if In Touch does even tackle the issue.
Ray.
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On 12/11/2022 03:27 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote: My problem is I do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily.
Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple.
I work all day in a field which has nothing to do with computers Iand would like a
Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction with a wide range of blind people.
Incidentally I have a friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I can, he is also blind.
Best Mary
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Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45
To: [email protected]
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Think Steve has answered your question below little while back.
the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation. Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic.
The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds. Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries. Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath.
Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you.
Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live. Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format. These announcements are sporadic though.
As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream.
Ray.
On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote:
Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
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Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
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So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
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Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
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Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
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My problem is I do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily.
Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple.
I work all day in a field which has nothing to do with computers Iand would like a
Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction with a wide range of blind people.
Incidentally I have a friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I can, he is also blind.
Best Mary
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery Think Steve has answered your question below little while back. the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation. Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic. The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds. Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries. Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath. Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you. Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live. Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format. These announcements are sporadic though. As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream. Ray. On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote: Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
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Think Steve has answered your question below little while back.
the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation.? Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic.
The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds.? Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries.? Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath.
Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you.
Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live.? Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format.? These announcements are sporadic though.
As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream.
Ray.
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On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote: Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
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I don't have a recommendation, I use my phone for Sounds.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of ltmmcarter@... Sent: 11 November 2022 12:56 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery Hi Steve What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds? Prefer speech but can manage braille. Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Pele West Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery Hi Ray There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone. I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds. Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult. Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone? Pele
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Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Pele West Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery Hi Ray There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone. I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds. Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult. Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone? Pele
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Re: Radio 4 LW AND FM now same feed on Humanware player feeds
Ray I've had BBC Radio 5 live on my Victor treck. I've had no message talking about what you've been telling us. Yes it did buffer a few times. Also played The Archers and no message there either. Best Mrs Villa
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----- Original Message ----- Replying, perhaps sadly, to my earlier message here. It seems just about every specialist device I have is getting the cessation of feeds message from BBC Sounds. this included the Synapptic radio player feature which seemignly operates outside of BBC Sounds. I tried finding another feed via the ooTunes search facility on the trek and found a Flash feed but that too is getting the message! So to speak. So, I think the only way from middle of next year is probably going to be via BBC Sounds, with all that entails, i.e. setting up an account. This said, if this is so, then will there be any international feeds left for BBC radio at all? Ray. On 09/11/2022 12:17 pm, Rea Lists via groups.io wrote: Had meant to post here rather than Vi-gen access. Modified subject
line is what I am going on about!
Today and yesterday I have noticed that the Radio 4 FM feed is in fact
the Radio 4 LW feed now. So, at 09:45 I have the Dailly Service, not
Mariella Springs excellent series on conspiracy theorists and
internet trolls.So, LW and FM feeds are now strapped together. I do
not need my dailly dose of Daily Service, but I am guessing that
occasionally sport will appear on the two common feeds simultaniously
which is not to my liking.
So, what is going on? Another enquiry to BBC Sounds to get an answer?
The message announcing ceasing of these feeds stil comes in
sporadically at around one minute to the hour. Not heard them either
on the BC 2 phone yet, or Synapptic.
Ray.
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