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I unfortunately would not put much hope in the DDA or its provision of
services under the equality act to bring the BBC let alone other
broadcasters to account in this latest move and likley threat to the
ease we as blind users can use the BBC's online services.
The blind community at least on many email lists I am on, is divided on
this subject. the smart smart phone set will always tend to take the
line its the fault of individuals who cannot, maybe in their view, will
not, access these services via phone apps and generally downplaying the
needs of a very sizable portion of UK BBC listeners and viewers and
promulgating a one size must fit all solution.
I estimate more than a third of blind users - going by what Jonathan
Mosen said about the numbers listening to his podcasts on specialist
devices - are missing out on the marvel that is BBC Sounds. they are
licence payers too, albeit at a reduced rate.
Again, and sadly, the BBC seems to compound it problems with an
ideologically hostile Government with the sin of jettisening older
listeners and those who do not take to on-line self-service delivery via
BBC Sounds.It would be much cleverer to hold on to the audience that
like even love curated radio streaming whilst attracting newer younger
listeners to its online presence. I know cost is certainly an issue
given the strategy of the Government to let the BBC whither on the vine
through letting inflation eat away at its funding with a nil increase in
the licence fee while keeping an out-dated way of collecting the licence
fee.
The BBC likes repeatedly saying "its your BBC". Okay, then, why not
actually listen to what many listeners and viewers are saying rather
than giving written statements to Feedback and other and ploughing on
regardless with their ill-thought out ,move to online use. (While we're
about it part of the licence fee actually goes to help fund the move to
faster connections and fibre to the home, as I understand it..
Some or all of these points could be brought up on In touch, if that is
they decide to look at the issue.
Ray.
On 14/11/2022 07:45 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote:
I am afraid I must disagree.
The level of dexterity needed for phones doesn't apply to most Blind people who lose there sight in later life, still the bulk of Blind people in Britain according to the Office of National Statistics
Also if the BBC were that on target how did they allow BritBox to start up without any AD.
The scope of the DDA is greater than you would imagine, and at the end of the day it comes down to "What the legislators intended."
I do not believe that the intention was that a public broadcaster should make life so complicated for many blind people that these discussions are still continuing.
Sorry to disagree with you Steve, as I am a great admirer of what you do, but the BBC have treated us as a peripheral group, with little thought and less consideration.
Best
Mary
PS if I sound grouchy awful day at work and then the commute.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 14 November 2022 10:14
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi,
I don't think they are breaking DDA, since disabled people can use Sounds, if they use it on a phone. You don't have to allow it on specialist players, and I don't think they are the way to go any more.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ltmmcarter@...
Sent: 12 November 2022 15:28
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
My problem is I do not have the dexterity to move around the screen easily.
Frankly, it would appear that the BBC, and other broadcasters, are close to breaking the DDA, in that they are not making "Reasonable" measures to ensure that access is not only possible, but reasonably simple.
I work all day in a field which has nothing to do with computers Iand would like a Easy access to TV and Radio, just don't think the designers of all this have had enough interaction with a wide range of blind people.
Incidentally I have a friend in the US who can access BBC stations easier than I can, he is also blind.
Best Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 12 November 2022 11:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Think Steve has answered your question below little while back.
the only device I know of that does access BBC Sounds are those loaded with the Synapptic adaptation. Even so yyou will find yourself having to navigate around the screen or maybe in a web view using Tallk talk back and its gestures or possibly the side keys on a phone or tablet loaded with Synapptic.
The Humanware players simply are not capable of accessing the higher quality feeds often used in BBC Sounds. Nothing in principle stopping HW from implementing a way of signing into Sounds, and in fact they do this with some talking book libraries infor other countries. Then again we are promised something "exciting" from HW in the new yeear, but I am not holding my breath.
Amazon and Google smart speakers are another way of getting into Sounds, once you have cracked the dexterity problem of putting in your password and email address for Sounds, or got someone to do it for you.
Someone said the message about feeds ceasing hasn't been heard on 5Live. Don't listen to that much, but it may crop up just before the hour though 5Live is a continupus rolling format. These announcements are sporadic though.
As to Pele's message about the BWBF app, yet, I have accessed the high quality feeds on my PC, but no go of course on the Trek/Stream.
Ray.
On 11/11/2022 12:55 pm, ltmmcarter@... wrote:
Hi Steve
What device specialist or mainstream do yo u think is the best device for navigating BBC sounds?
Prefer speech but can manage braille.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 November 2022 14:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
So what's wrong with BBC Sounds? I'm really not getting this.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 10 November 2022 12:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] [TAVIP] bbc dilivery
Hi Ray
There is one Speech Radio app for Android and one for the iPhone.
I think when BWBF set up BBC on the Sonata they used the higher quality streams. I am hoping that Speech Radio might also use these streams. It should be easier to navigate than BBC Sounds.
Although I have not tried it yet, the description says you can speak or use gestures to access the app. This could be useful for people who find touch screens difficult.
Are you able to add apps to your Synapptic phone?
Pele
