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Sly:
I tested my 51A with the following settings and it worked with D-RATS.

ID-31A/51A

9600

GPS>GPS TX Mode = OFF, GPS>GPS Auto TX = OFF, GPS>GPS Set>GPS Out = OFF, DV Set>DV Data TX = Auto


Don't forget to set the right COM port. Use Device Manager to locate it. Also, make sure only your radio entry is checked in Preferences>Radio.

By the way, I have used my 51A for packet and soundcard modes with my KPC-3+ and SignaLink USB with some special cables I made up.

Hope this helps.

John WB4QDX

From: sly [mailto:kapchinskipc@...]
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:08 AM
To: d-rats_group@...
Subject: [d-rats_group] D-rats not keying ID-51A



Hey all:
Just getting setup for d-rats. I am using the 51a radio, using the "orange" RT Systems cable. I have the following set correctly in my radio; GPS TX Mode = OFF, GPS Auto TX = OFF, DV Data TX = Auto and baud set to 9600.
I have set up (in d-rats) the 51a radio in the Preferences/Radio tab using Com 3 and baud of 9600.
When I start d-rats it shows connected to the 51a. However I cannot get it to transmit when I ping a callsign (ping station feature) or use ping "all stations" to start a conversation. The 51a is selected in the dropdown selection of radios to use, left of send line/button.
I realize other station(s) has to be in the "stations" list in order to chat with them first. So where am I going wrong and how do I get other stations propagated into the "stations" section and why will my radio not key up?
Thx n5gqb Sly

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On May 10, 2022, at 5:38 PM, James Holtzman via groups.io <emptech@...> wrote:

?Hi, this is Jim K6NRA.? Helping a friend out who has a ID-51A Plus. We have not been able to get the radio to xmit, as the previous discussion indicated.? I know I have the correct com port, that is, device manager matches the one used in radio preferences.? Also the cable I've been using works fine for radio programing, so I know the cable is good.? I even purchased the software from RT Systems, a lot more user-friendly than the Icom s/w.

I've checked my radio settings as per this thread, the radio via the computer will not key up.

If I use DRATS with my ICOM 92AD, works fine, of course, I had to use the special Icom cable with usb-rs-232 adaptor, so I know everything on the computer side is good.

Is there such a thing as setting the radio back to factory defaults, as I don't know what settings the owner did.

I've got a full head of hair right now, but it isn't going to last long as I keep pulling it out, I've spent lots of hours on this thing.? The only thing I didn't do is look at the RS-232 voltages going into and from the radio.

Jim

On May 10, 2022, at 7:01 PM, James Holtzman via groups.io <emptech@...> wrote:

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Jeff:

I just reset the radio, I'm going to install a few DSTAR channels and then re-try DRATS.

I know that not all usb to rs-232 adapters are not created equal.? I normally use the ones using the profific <sp?> chip.? What I need is what we used to call a christmas tree, a small LED indicator device you place in-line with the rs-232, so you can see the lights flashing while sending data.

I don't have any reason to believe I have a cable problem, as I can read/write the radio using the ICOM s/w.??

I'm going to use RT System to write just a few channels back to the radio and see if that clears the problem.

Thanks for the replay -? Jim

------ Original Message ------

From: "Jeff Clingan via groups.io" <worf1956@...>

To: [email protected]

Sent: 5/10/2022 4:53:42 PM

Subject: Re: [d-rats] D-rats not keying ID-51A

Check your usb to rs233 adapter drivers. Some if those, especially ones from Amazon and ebay come from China and require a driver from the company that produced them. Windows will recognize them as an adapter dongle but load a default driver that does not work with the chip set in the dongle. Just a thought from past personel experience. Below is the reset instructions for the 51a.

On May 10, 2022, at 5:38 PM, James Holtzman via groups.io <emptech@...> wrote:

?Hi, this is Jim K6NRA.? Helping a friend out who has a ID-51A Plus. We have not been able to get the radio to xmit, as the previous discussion indicated.? I know I have the correct com port, that is, device manager matches the one used in radio preferences.? Also the cable I've been using works fine for radio programing, so I know the cable is good.? I even purchased the software from RT Systems, a lot more user-friendly than the Icom s/w.

I've checked my radio settings as per this thread, the radio via the computer will not key up.

If I use DRATS with my ICOM 92AD, works fine, of course, I had to use the special Icom cable with usb-rs-232 adaptor, so I know everything on the computer side is good.

Is there such a thing as setting the radio back to factory defaults, as I don't know what settings the owner did.

I've got a full head of hair right now, but it isn't going to last long as I keep pulling it out, I've spent lots of hours on this thing.? The only thing I didn't do is look at the RS-232 voltages going into and from the radio.

Jim

On May 10, 2022, at 7:37 PM, James Holtzman via groups.io <emptech@...> wrote:

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Jeff:

I reset the radio back to factory, I then followed the instructions from RT Systems Karin, who created an excellent video on youtube on how to do the basic settings.? I wrote the basic info including four DSTAR channels back to the radio.??

Bingo, it now works with DRATS.? ?That confirmed there was something programmed into the radio that wasn't quite right.

Now I need to restore my friend's data back into the radio, ugh!? It's all backed up but I don't want to write the bad stuff back to the radio either.

At least I'm on the right track now.

Thanks for the advise, we made it.? You too Steve -

Jim

------ Original Message ------

From: "Jeff Clingan via groups.io" <worf1956@...>

To: [email protected]

Sent: 5/10/2022 5:04:56 PM

Subject: Re: [d-rats] D-rats not keying ID-51A

Sounds good. If I think of anything else I will pass it on. Good luck.

Jeff

kb5nmb?

On May 10, 2022, at 7:01 PM, James Holtzman via groups.io <emptech@...> wrote:

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Jeff:

I just reset the radio, I'm going to install a few DSTAR channels and then re-try DRATS.

I know that not all usb to rs-232 adapters are not created equal.? I normally use the ones using the profific <sp?> chip.? What I need is what we used to call a christmas tree, a small LED indicator device you place in-line with the rs-232, so you can see the lights flashing while sending data.

I don't have any reason to believe I have a cable problem, as I can read/write the radio using the ICOM s/w.??

I'm going to use RT System to write just a few channels back to the radio and see if that clears the problem.

Thanks for the replay -? Jim

------ Original Message ------

From: "Jeff Clingan via groups.io" <worf1956@...>

To: [email protected]

Sent: 5/10/2022 4:53:42 PM

Subject: Re: [d-rats] D-rats not keying ID-51A

Check your usb to rs233 adapter drivers. Some if those, especially ones from Amazon and ebay come from China and require a driver from the company that produced them. Windows will recognize them as an adapter dongle but load a default driver that does not work with the chip set in the dongle. Just a thought from past personel experience. Below is the reset instructions for the 51a.

On May 10, 2022, at 5:38 PM, James Holtzman via groups.io <emptech@...> wrote:

?Hi, this is Jim K6NRA.? Helping a friend out who has a ID-51A Plus. We have not been able to get the radio to xmit, as the previous discussion indicated.? I know I have the correct com port, that is, device manager matches the one used in radio preferences.? Also the cable I've been using works fine for radio programing, so I know the cable is good.? I even purchased the software from RT Systems, a lot more user-friendly than the Icom s/w.

I've checked my radio settings as per this thread, the radio via the computer will not key up.

If I use DRATS with my ICOM 92AD, works fine, of course, I had to use the special Icom cable with usb-rs-232 adaptor, so I know everything on the computer side is good.

Is there such a thing as setting the radio back to factory defaults, as I don't know what settings the owner did.

I've got a full head of hair right now, but it isn't going to last long as I keep pulling it out, I've spent lots of hours on this thing.? The only thing I didn't do is look at the RS-232 voltages going into and from the radio.

Jim

On May 11, 2022, at 12:05 AM, James Holtzman via groups.io <emptech@...> wrote:

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Mission Accomplished!

I was unable to come to a conclusion as to the actual cause of the problem.

After doing a factory reset and restoring all of the memory channels and other settings, to my knowledge the radio is fully operational.

I wish I had a better answer, but it's done!

Thanks to everyone who offered me ideas.

Jim

------ Original Message ------

From: "James Holtzman via groups.io" <emptech@...>

To: [email protected]

Sent: 5/10/2022 8:16:02 PM

Subject: Re: [d-rats] D-rats not keying ID-51A

This is what doesn't work, something in the programing that the owner did, exactly what's wrong, who knows.

With the owner's data, I went through every settings menu and set the contents to factory, unless I had to fill my own info in, ham call, etc.

What does work, factory reset, blew everything away.? Using RT Systems s/w, filled out D-star settings menu.

Used D-STAR calculator and created four channels, talk, echo, status, and unlink, all used with a local DSTAR repeater.

If I give the radio back to the owner, it will work with DRATS.? Since the radio is backed up, perhaps the owner could restore a little at a time, it's still unknown where the problem is, could even be a glitch in the data file.

I certainly cannot explain what is going on here, but at least the radio is not defective.

Jim

------ Original Message ------

From: "KC5SAM Virginia" <kc5sam.vo@...>

To: [email protected]

Sent: 5/10/2022 6:20:57 PM

Subject: Re: [d-rats] D-rats not keying ID-51A

I HAVE THE ICOM 51 A+ ANNIVERSARY EDITION AND IF I HAVE BEEN USING THE RADIO WITH FL DIGI, AND I GO BACK TO D-STAR, SOMETIMES IT DOES THE SAME THING. I HAVE A MACRO SET UP FOR FOR FL DIGI AND IF THAT HAS RECENTLY BEEN USED AND NOT SWITCHED TO MORE NORMAL MODES LIKE CW, THE RADIO WON'T KEY. ALSO IF THE CABLE IS STILL CONNECTED TO THE COMPUTER THAT HAPPENS. DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL HELP AT ALL, I'VE HAD A RED FACE MORE THAN ONCE BEFORE I KEYED AND NOTHING HAPPENED.?

73 DE KC5SAM

Virus-free.

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 5:38 PM James Holtzman via <emptech=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi, this is Jim K6NRA.? Helping a friend out who has a ID-51A Plus. We have not been able to get the radio to xmit, as the previous discussion indicated.? I know I have the correct com port, that is, device manager matches the one used in radio preferences.? Also the cable I've been using works fine for radio programing, so I know the cable is good.? I even purchased the software from RT Systems, a lot more user-friendly than the Icom s/w.

I've checked my radio settings as per this thread, the radio via the computer will not key up.

If I use DRATS with my ICOM 92AD, works fine, of course, I had to use the special Icom cable with usb-rs-232 adaptor, so I know everything on the computer side is good.

Is there such a thing as setting the radio back to factory defaults, as I don't know what settings the owner did.

I've got a full head of hair right now, but it isn't going to last long as I keep pulling it out, I've spent lots of hours on this thing.? The only thing I didn't do is look at the RS-232 voltages going into and from the radio.

Jim

Sounds like something was corrupt in the original program and your work cleared it. Good job, glad you got it going.

Jeff

kb5nmb?

On May 11, 2022, at 12:05 AM, James Holtzman via groups.io <emptech@...> wrote:

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Mission Accomplished!

I was unable to come to a conclusion as to the actual cause of the problem.

After doing a factory reset and restoring all of the memory channels and other settings, to my knowledge the radio is fully operational.

I wish I had a better answer, but it's done!

Thanks to everyone who offered me ideas.

Jim

------ Original Message ------

From: "James Holtzman via groups.io" <emptech@...>

To: [email protected]

Sent: 5/10/2022 8:16:02 PM

Subject: Re: [d-rats] D-rats not keying ID-51A

This is what doesn't work, something in the programing that the owner did, exactly what's wrong, who knows.

With the owner's data, I went through every settings menu and set the contents to factory, unless I had to fill my own info in, ham call, etc.

What does work, factory reset, blew everything away.? Using RT Systems s/w, filled out D-star settings menu.

Used D-STAR calculator and created four channels, talk, echo, status, and unlink, all used with a local DSTAR repeater.

If I give the radio back to the owner, it will work with DRATS.? Since the radio is backed up, perhaps the owner could restore a little at a time, it's still unknown where the problem is, could even be a glitch in the data file.

I certainly cannot explain what is going on here, but at least the radio is not defective.

Jim

------ Original Message ------

From: "KC5SAM Virginia" <kc5sam.vo@...>

To: [email protected]

Sent: 5/10/2022 6:20:57 PM

Subject: Re: [d-rats] D-rats not keying ID-51A

I HAVE THE ICOM 51 A+ ANNIVERSARY EDITION AND IF I HAVE BEEN USING THE RADIO WITH FL DIGI, AND I GO BACK TO D-STAR, SOMETIMES IT DOES THE SAME THING. I HAVE A MACRO SET UP FOR FOR FL DIGI AND IF THAT HAS RECENTLY BEEN USED AND NOT SWITCHED TO MORE NORMAL MODES LIKE CW, THE RADIO WON'T KEY. ALSO IF THE CABLE IS STILL CONNECTED TO THE COMPUTER THAT HAPPENS. DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL HELP AT ALL, I'VE HAD A RED FACE MORE THAN ONCE BEFORE I KEYED AND NOTHING HAPPENED.?

73 DE KC5SAM

Virus-free.

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 5:38 PM James Holtzman via <emptech=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi, this is Jim K6NRA.? Helping a friend out who has a ID-51A Plus. We have not been able to get the radio to xmit, as the previous discussion indicated.? I know I have the correct com port, that is, device manager matches the one used in radio preferences.? Also the cable I've been using works fine for radio programing, so I know the cable is good.? I even purchased the software from RT Systems, a lot more user-friendly than the Icom s/w.

I've checked my radio settings as per this thread, the radio via the computer will not key up.

If I use DRATS with my ICOM 92AD, works fine, of course, I had to use the special Icom cable with usb-rs-232 adaptor, so I know everything on the computer side is good.

Is there such a thing as setting the radio back to factory defaults, as I don't know what settings the owner did.

I've got a full head of hair right now, but it isn't going to last long as I keep pulling it out, I've spent lots of hours on this thing.? The only thing I didn't do is look at the RS-232 voltages going into and from the radio.

Jim

On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 15:28, James Holtzman via groups.io

<emptech@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: problem is not d-rats but d-star, looking for a solution]

Hi, this is Jim K6NRA.? Helping a friend out who has a ID-51A Plus. We have not been able to get the radio to xmit, as the previous discussion indicated.? I know I have the correct com port, that is, device manager matches the one used in radio preferences.? Also the cable I've been using works fine for radio programing, so I know the cable is good.? I even purchased the software from RT Systems, a lot more user-friendly than the Icom s/w.

I've checked my radio settings as per this thread, the radio via the computer will not key up.

If I use DRATS with my ICOM 92AD, works fine, of course, I had to use the special Icom cable with usb-rs-232 adaptor, so I know everything on the computer side is good.

edit:? Previous sentence, DRATS works fine with my ICOM 92AD on SIMPLEX, turns out it does not work through our local DSTAR repeater (2m).? After doing many factory resets, making tiny changes in the radio programming, still having problems with the 92. What was found, some operator's radios signals (voice or data) will make it through the repeater but not everybody's radios will make it to my 92.? I'm afraid I've been barking up the wrong tree here, now believing the problem has to be with the other user's radio, in this case an Icom 2820.? It's as though like analog, if the 2820 transmitted with a PL code and the repeater passed it, and thus the 92 opens up, vs, a 2820 not encoding the output with a pl code and thus the 92 not picking up the data.

I know DSTAR does not use PL codes (analog or digital), so what could be missing in the 2820 programming?? I know this is more of a DSTAR issue, not a D-RATS issue but by using D-RATS is how the problem was identified.? Just need the fix.??? -? Jim k6nra

Is there such a thing as setting the radio back to factory defaults, as I don't know what settings the owner did. - solved

I've got a full head of hair right now, but it isn't going to last long as I keep pulling it out, I've spent lots of hours on this thing.? The only thing I didn't do is look at the RS-232 voltages going into and from the radio. - problem solved

Jim

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Have you tried a different repeater?