Re: Jandy iAqualink reliable Lights On logic

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You might also look at Shelly’s line of PM devices.? They can do power monitoring of both AC and DC loads.? There is a Crestron-Shelly driver on my GitHub

Hope this helps?

Jay

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 1:16?PM Michael Caldwell-Waller via <bowser77=[email protected]> wrote:

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For this sort of thing where it’s an AC powered load, I would search Amazon for “current sensor switch”, which is a non-contact loop that you run the wire thru, that requires no direct connection to the AC line, and can sense current passing through a wire and closes some dry contacts of its own, to tell you about it. (The device itself steals its operating power inductively from the wire).

Hide them in the Jandy cabinet.?

Mike

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:38?AM j5races via <fueler1=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello,

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I really dislike the Jandy iAqualink and its Toggle only commands. I have a client who wants a night time scene that turns on his pool and spa lights (and some TVs on and other house lights). Then we have a timer to turn off these things at like 2am.

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Its all good except the damn Jandy lights dont always turn on or off. As best I cant tell there is no good way to make sure the light is on or off as the feedback can take some time to come in and its hard to count on that.

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Also, if you want to adjust color of a Aux that has to be the last aux you modified before sending color 3 or whatever will work.

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Anyone have a recommended sequence you have done that works for light control that isn't flaky or crossing fingers as it seems to be?

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Thank you,

Jon

Re: Simpl Windows fb/press Issue #simplwindows

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I think Brendon is indicating that there is a press held high in the program, not that the button is in an 'Active' state, though that may be also the case.

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The only times I've seen this is in the old days we used to use 'Loop back/feedback' by putting the same signal name on the press and the FB of the UI device symbol in SMW.

We did this because if we wanted the older panels to show a momentary press, you would need this to have it show 'active' while the button was pressed.

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If there's a different signal name on the press and FB lines, i.e. Press_Button and Press_Button_FB, raising the Press_Button_FB should not cause the Press_Button signal to go high.

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Re: Jandy iAqualink reliable Lights On logic

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For this sort of thing where it’s an AC powered load, I would search Amazon for “current sensor switch”, which is a non-contact loop that you run the wire thru, that requires no direct connection to the AC line, and can sense current passing through a wire and closes some dry contacts of its own, to tell you about it. (The device itself steals its operating power inductively from the wire).

Hide them in the Jandy cabinet.?

Mike

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On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:38?AM j5races via <fueler1=[email protected]> wrote:

Hello,

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I really dislike the Jandy iAqualink and its Toggle only commands. I have a client who wants a night time scene that turns on his pool and spa lights (and some TVs on and other house lights). Then we have a timer to turn off these things at like 2am.

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Its all good except the damn Jandy lights dont always turn on or off. As best I cant tell there is no good way to make sure the light is on or off as the feedback can take some time to come in and its hard to count on that.

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Also, if you want to adjust color of a Aux that has to be the last aux you modified before sending color 3 or whatever will work.

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Anyone have a recommended sequence you have done that works for light control that isn't flaky or crossing fingers as it seems to be?

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Thank you,

Jon

Re: Simpl Windows fb/press Issue #simplwindows

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My understanding is that that is intentional. You can use advanced buttons in VT Pro-e to change the appearance of each state or use a different digital join for the press.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2024 9:06 AM
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Subject: [crestron] Simpl Windows fb/press Issue #simplwindows

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After doing some troubleshooting on a system consisting of a CP4N, DM-MD16x16, DM-DGE-200-C, and a TSD-2220, I've encountered a strange issue that I can't recall ever seeing before. The issue is that the fb joins on the DGE or the XPanel are passing through to the press side, for example: if the Projector_Power_On_fb (running into fb117) is high, it is driving press117 high. The same thing is happening on the analog joins (an_fb is passing through to the corresponding an_act). I've been able to reproduce this in Debugger, and any fb join that goes high causes the corresponding press join to go high for as long as the fb join remains high. Has anyone seen something like this before? The TSD, DGE, and the CP4N have been swapped out, firmware has been updated on all devices, and the program has been reloaded with the current device database.? I've also loaded the program to my bench RMC4 and I'm not seeing the same odd behavior.? As far as I know, this shouldn't be possible, but maybe I'm missing something, or there is a way to force this behavior in Simpl or VTPro, but that seems unlikely.? I didn't build the program, but I have it and I don't see anything out of the ordinary that could cause this issue.? Any help is appreciated.

Jandy iAqualink reliable Lights On logic

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Hello,

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I really dislike the Jandy iAqualink and its Toggle only commands. I have a client who wants a night time scene that turns on his pool and spa lights (and some TVs on and other house lights). Then we have a timer to turn off these things at like 2am.

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Its all good except the damn Jandy lights dont always turn on or off. As best I cant tell there is no good way to make sure the light is on or off as the feedback can take some time to come in and its hard to count on that.

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Also, if you want to adjust color of a Aux that has to be the last aux you modified before sending color 3 or whatever will work.

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Anyone have a recommended sequence you have done that works for light control that isn't flaky or crossing fingers as it seems to be?

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Thank you,

Jon

Simpl Windows fb/press Issue #simplwindows

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After doing some troubleshooting on a system consisting of a CP4N, DM-MD16x16, DM-DGE-200-C, and a TSD-2220, I've encountered a strange issue that I can't recall ever seeing before. The issue is that the fb joins on the DGE or the XPanel are passing through to the press side, for example: if the Projector_Power_On_fb (running into fb117) is high, it is driving press117 high. The same thing is happening on the analog joins (an_fb is passing through to the corresponding an_act). I've been able to reproduce this in Debugger, and any fb join that goes high causes the corresponding press join to go high for as long as the fb join remains high. Has anyone seen something like this before? The TSD, DGE, and the CP4N have been swapped out, firmware has been updated on all devices, and the program has been reloaded with the current device database.? I've also loaded the program to my bench RMC4 and I'm not seeing the same odd behavior.? As far as I know, this shouldn't be possible, but maybe I'm missing something, or there is a way to force this behavior in Simpl or VTPro, but that seems unlikely.? I didn't build the program, but I have it and I don't see anything out of the ordinary that could cause this issue.? Any help is appreciated.

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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That’s what I thought I remember too, 0.0.0.0 did not work for me either.?

This was noteworthy to me because in most other programming environments, creating a socket on 0.0.0.0 means “bind the socket to all interfaces” and is the most universal way to say “receive from anywhere”.? It is the singular selection you would expect to work and be the most permissive and yet it does not.?

Mike

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On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:23?AM Slip Cougan via <gk.otoole=[email protected]> wrote:

Thanks chaps,

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I got this working by setting the UDP listener to 192.168.10.255

My main processor is on 192.168.10.4 & the processor running the listener is on 192.168.10.3

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Setting the listener to 0.0.0.0 did not work!

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At least I'm able to fiddle around off site now.

Re: How come I missed this all these years?

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Just make sure you click the options tab and host tab while the Xpanel is opening. It will use what you used last time. If you are too slow, you will need to enter them again.

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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Thanks chaps,

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I got this working by setting the UDP listener to 192.168.10.255

My main processor is on 192.168.10.4 & the processor running the listener is on 192.168.10.3

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Setting the listener to 0.0.0.0 did not work!

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At least I'm able to fiddle around off site now.

Re: Novastar H series

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Hi Tony,

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I just came across your post. Hopefully you can answer a few questions for me.

We have two H2's installed on a site & I have UDP comms working to both, although these don't have all the cards fitted yet so are incomplete.

I was able to get an API doc from the manufacturer in China on pain of death which I cannot share publicly.

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The documentation is truly awful and does not match up with what I'm seeing on site.

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* Preset recall:

Like you I'm issuing [{ "cmd":"W0605", "deviceId":0, "screenId":0, "presetId":0 }]

The expected response should be:

[{ { "name":"preset1", "presetId":0 }, { "name":"preset2", "presetId":1 } }] etc.

Then

[{"cmd":"W0605", "deviceId":1,"ack":"Ok"}]

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Instead I'm seeing a string with length of 801 bytes beginning like this:

[{"deviceId":0,"screenId":0,"presets":[{"deviceId":0,"presetId":0,"layoutTemplateId":1,"name":"Preset 1","createTime":"1732182845.3510883","startTime":"","OSD":{"wordEnable":0,"picEnable":0},"bkg":{"bkgEn":0},"screen3D":{"enable":0,"type":0,"LeftFirstThenR

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The string is being truncated in debugger (I think although difficult to tell at this point)

Is this what you have seen as well?

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* ID's

Nowhere in the API doc does it describe what the following actually mean:

> deviceId

> screenId

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I've only being testing with one Novastar for the time being and being using a deviceId: 0 & screenId: 0

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There is no mention in the user manual of setting up deviceId or screenId and a Google search on Novastar device ID/screen ID returns nothing useful (I've tried various spellings as well)

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Do I need to concern myself with this or will an ID of zero in both instances suffice?

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Cheers

s

Re: How come I missed this all these years?

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Is there a way to not having to enter the Host Settings every time I want to launch/load the? .vtz file?

Re: Denon DN-300Z SerialCommand

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DN-300Z does not have a RS232 port.

Re: has anyone made a stock ticker module? #crestron

#255398

What kind of output does the desired module need to have?? Are we pushing to HDMI and displaying on a screen, or are we wanting to drive a narrow horizontal strip of LED’s with information crawling across?? Who selects the stocks and how are the stocks set?

Have done both!

Mike

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On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 12:11?PM MQSACK via <mqsack=[email protected]> wrote:

Check message 22975

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It was all the rage in 2004!

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Not sure if Chip has kept that one updated ;-)

Denon DN-300Z SerialCommand

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Dear Team,

can anyone share the Serial command for Denon Dn-300Z.

Re: DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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Thank you Thorsten! This is a real education for me on this particular subject (HDR, etc.).? As early on in the hi-res (4K) business, nothing was reliable so I down-res'd things for client sanity and sort of checked out.

Your comments make me want to get brushed up and going again!

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As to our setup (Though we're going to reconfigure things), we have a Kscape Strato and dedicated Apple TV, both set for 4K operation. The rest of the rooms are basically 2K distribution.

The Sources input into DM16x16/4KZ input cards. The dual 4KZ output card feeds separate RMC-4KZ units: one for the 715 projector, and the other for the TNV which is located in the Theater rack.

We route the chosen source to both outputs. Sources have the same EDID.

We have plans to move the TNV into the main rack and route the sources directly into it, and feed the projector from it.

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We were able to construct an appropriate EDID by temporarily feeding the projector from the TNV and capturing the settings that way (BS that we cannot merge A and V settings into one file...)
This 'solved' things, but now we are seeing video drop-outs, at least with AppleTV non-HDR content...? It just pisses us off...? Ugghh!? ?I know that we're missing something, but we are at a loss as to what to look for...

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Also, Tell me your thoughts on why you like the Envy over the Lumagen? I have fond memories of the Lumagen, though I haven't dealt with them for almost a decade now...

TIA!!?

Re: DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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Just send out a reply with an embedded screenshot – that doesn?t seem to have gone through.

So here again without screenshot:

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Hi Chris,

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?- We're not using the TNV outputs. Its an audio 'end-point' via its own RMC 4KZ.“

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Hm, this, I don?t completely understand. I meant the Trinnov HDMI outputs. The Altitude has 2 of them.

Can you share a bit more info on the system design?

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“- Regarding the TNV and EDID, are you saying that when we change the EDIDs, we should do some sort of reset after update?”

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Yes, in the Trinnov web-interface, there?s a button to refresh EDID settings. This is also a good place to look for further information about the supported formats.

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“- "solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector."

When you say this are you saying that the VidProc is taking in the HDR, processing it and sending an 'Enhanced' SDR signal to the projector? I.E. and SDR signal that looks like an HDR signal?? thus, the projector just delivers the enhanced picture without having to process the HDR itself (which you feel it does a bad job)?”

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Sort of, yes. A projector is only capable of displaying SDR dynamic range. HDR is mastered towards 1000nits as a minimum. Depending on the screen size and screen gain, I guess the 715ES will throw something between 40 and 80nits onto the screen. So you need a mechanism to squeeze high dynamic range of the source material into the very low dynamic range of the projected image. When using static tone mapping, you define a fixed maximum nits value and map the whole movie into this range. This is pretty limited, but the 715ES can only do it this way. So you?ll end up with a very mediocre picture this way. A lot of clipping will happen at the low or high brightness end.

With dynamic tone mapping, the algorithm analyzes every single picture of the video screen, find the darkest and the brightest pixel and then uses the whole range of what the display device is capable of to display the image.

This is very roughly what a video processor like a madVR Envy (our preferred choice) or the Lumagen can do (besides a lot of other nice things).

Since the resulting image is only using SDR, you don?t need to send it as HDR anymore. In fact, you want to avoid sending it as HDR as you want to prevent the display/projector from doing its own tone mapping, ending up with double tonemapping.

This way, you can turn any SDR projector into a HDR projector. ? (however, there are other benefits like extended color gamut within HDR content)

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With regards to EDID, a standard EDID block incl. HDR and Atmos should do the trick. If I find the time, I can play a little bit with my setup tomorrow.

But as I mentioned in the beginning, your actual system setup is not 100% clear to me.

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Cheers,

Thorsten

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Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von ckangis
Gesendet: Samstag, 23. November 2024 16:25
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [crestron] DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:21 AM, Thorsten K?hler wrote:

Which output are you using on the Altitude? If it?s an older unit, only output 2 is capable of the full range.
The Altitude can be pretty picky about EDID changes. Always do a “refresh EDID” on the device or do a power cycle
If I remember correctly, the DM-stuff has some compression going on for HDR content. For home cinema applications, we always try to avoid signal distribution and go for a direct connection.
You don?t mention a video processor in the chain, so it sounds as if you want to send an unprocessed HDR image to the projector and let the projector do the tonemapping. That?s a terrible idea since the 715ES does a horrible job on its own with HDR material. You might want to consider adding a video processor like the madVR Envy (our choice) or a Lumagen into the chain. That would provide excellent tonemapping and also solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector.

Thanks for the input Thorsten!

- We're not using the TNV outputs. Its an audio 'end-point' via its own RMC 4KZ.

- Regarding the TNV and EDID, are you saying that when we change the EDIDs, we should do some sort of reset after update?

- We are considering re working our whole setup to make the Theater essentially a stand-alone setup for AV.

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- "solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector."

When you say this are you saying that the VidProc is taking in the HDR, processing it and sending an 'Enhanced' SDR signal to the projector? I.E. and SDR signal that looks like an HDR signal?? thus, the projector just delivers the enhanced picture without having to process the HDR itself (which you feel it does a bad job)?

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This is all really good, helpful information, though the crux of my question was about how to format the video setting in an EDID for DM so that the source (KScape) with show available HDR titles.

The see-saw of HDR or Atmos is the issue with the EDIDs. Again, I've tried to copy the video settings of the projector EDID and place them with the TNV EDID but when I do this, the KScape says that the EDID does not support HDR and subsequently hides the HDR content...

It would be really great if the EDID tool could just copy the video settings from the Projector EDID and the Audio Settings from the TNV and be done, But no one at Crestron has indicated that this is possible (Which is shocking to me...)

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We really aren't able to get to doing tweeky things, because we're stuck on just getting basic things to work...I should be used to this...:)

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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Oh yeah, use a program called PacketSender to test your programming.? Makes it much easier to troubleshoot or test functionality of your programming

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On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 10:25?AM Randy Reyes via <randyreyesny=[email protected]> wrote:

I'm doing this now.? I have raspberry PIs with temp sensors in each room in my house, and sends data over UDP using Python.

I have a Crestron User Module that listens to that data.? I could have written it in Simpl+ but i'm just using basic Simpl?symbols.

To start, add a UDP/IP Communications Ethernet Device.? If your network schema is 192.168.1.x, then set your Default Address of that Ethernet Device to 192.168.1.255.

Connect the RX$ to anything you want to use to parse the data.? In my case, I'm using Serial to Analog because i'm using Hex values for the sensor number and temperature readings.

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 9:21?AM Slip Cougan via <gk.otoole=[email protected]> wrote:
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In the past when I've been testing modules for kit I don't have in the office, that connect through TCP/IP, I've simply hosted a TCP server on another processor to mimic the device.

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I need to do something similar with a device (Novastar H2) that only uses UDP for comms.

Is it possible to host a UDP 'sever' on a processor and if so how?

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Also, I'm not a network expert and have little understanding of UDP outside of sending stuff to/from UDP devices.

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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I'm doing this now.? I have raspberry PIs with temp sensors in each room in my house, and sends data over UDP using Python.

I have a Crestron User Module that listens to that data.? I could have written it in Simpl+ but i'm just using basic Simpl?symbols.

To start, add a UDP/IP Communications Ethernet Device.? If your network schema is 192.168.1.x, then set your Default Address of that Ethernet Device to 192.168.1.255.

Connect the RX$ to anything you want to use to parse the data.? In my case, I'm using Serial to Analog because i'm using Hex values for the sensor number and temperature readings.

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On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 9:21?AM Slip Cougan via <gk.otoole=[email protected]> wrote:

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In the past when I've been testing modules for kit I don't have in the office, that connect through TCP/IP, I've simply hosted a TCP server on another processor to mimic the device.

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I need to do something similar with a device (Novastar H2) that only uses UDP for comms.

Is it possible to host a UDP 'sever' on a processor and if so how?

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Also, I'm not a network expert and have little understanding of UDP outside of sending stuff to/from UDP devices.

Re: DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:21 AM, Thorsten K?hler wrote:

Which output are you using on the Altitude? If it?s an older unit, only output 2 is capable of the full range.

The Altitude can be pretty picky about EDID changes. Always do a “refresh EDID” on the device or do a power cycle

If I remember correctly, the DM-stuff has some compression going on for HDR content. For home cinema applications, we always try to avoid signal distribution and go for a direct connection.

You don?t mention a video processor in the chain, so it sounds as if you want to send an unprocessed HDR image to the projector and let the projector do the tonemapping. That?s a terrible idea since the 715ES does a horrible job on its own with HDR material. You might want to consider adding a video processor like the madVR Envy (our choice) or a Lumagen into the chain. That would provide excellent tonemapping and also solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector.

Thanks for the input Thorsten!

- We're not using the TNV outputs. Its an audio 'end-point' via its own RMC 4KZ.

- Regarding the TNV and EDID, are you saying that when we change the EDIDs, we should do some sort of reset after update?

- We are considering re working our whole setup to make the Theater essentially a stand-alone setup for AV.

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- "solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector."

When you say this are you saying that the VidProc is taking in the HDR, processing it and sending an 'Enhanced' SDR signal to the projector? I.E. and SDR signal that looks like an HDR signal?? thus, the projector just delivers the enhanced picture without having to process the HDR itself (which you feel it does a bad job)?

?

This is all really good, helpful information, though the crux of my question was about how to format the video setting in an EDID for DM so that the source (KScape) with show available HDR titles.

The see-saw of HDR or Atmos is the issue with the EDIDs. Again, I've tried to copy the video settings of the projector EDID and place them with the TNV EDID but when I do this, the KScape says that the EDID does not support HDR and subsequently hides the HDR content...

It would be really great if the EDID tool could just copy the video settings from the Projector EDID and the Audio Settings from the TNV and be done, But no one at Crestron has indicated that this is possible (Which is shocking to me...)

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We really aren't able to get to doing tweeky things, because we're stuck on just getting basic things to work...I should be used to this...:)

Re: How come I missed this all these years?

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As long as you have run CrestronXpanelSetup.exe you should be able to double click on any .vtz file and it will open as an Xpanel. I use this all the time. It is really helpful when you are logged into someone else's computer and you want to run an Xpanel to see what is happening without installing a ton of software that the other side doesn't need.

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Helpful hint that took me about 2 years to accidently discover: If the touch panel is bigger than your monitor it will open with no guide bars to scroll around on it, just use the arrow keys to scroll around on it. I felt really dumb when I accidently hit an arrow key and saw it move.

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If you search on Crestron Help for "Adobe Flash End Of Life" the link to download this file is in the 3rd paragraph.