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Re: Trying to Understand Crestron Gateways. Helped Needed please!!!
If your system is just for watching TV and streaming video then personally I don¡¯t see value in a 2-way remote.? However, if your system includes an audio source for listening to music and that audio source provides 2-way feedback then things are different.? You may be able to choose from different playlists, browse a music library, etc. with a 2-way remote.? A 2-way remote is also a better option if you want to use it as a whole house controller to adjust thermostats, turn on/off lights, etc. ? It depends on what components are in your A/V system and what your goals are for whole house control My $.02 Jay On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 7:59?AM Oil Country via <conrad99=[email protected]> wrote: Thanks Eric and Jay so far greatly appreciated, |
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If you're trying to make HTTP requests, it's a little more complicated.? See? Appending strings is not straightforward in SIMPL, but a small SIMPL+ module can easily do it with makestring(). On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 6:04?PM Anthony via <aelrod05=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: DSC PowerSeries Neo
I might be building my own Crestron DSC driver pretty soon out of need, similar to my Interlogix NX-8E interface (which I¡¯ve improved significantly since I last talked about it)
the bulk of the low level protocol will likewise be on an Arduino-style board so that the Crestron processor sees simple high-level messages and isn¡¯t running a time sensitive protocol. I¡¯m not enthusiastic of 10 minutes for a device to sync without good reason or explanation, and I like using my Arduinos that fully boot in milliseconds, keep protocol timing commitments to the microsecond, and can be integrated to Crestron with nothing more than basic text commands over serial send/receives or their IP counterparts. ?This way pretty much eliminates all risk of causing lockups or resource leaks on the processor. ?Also makes for novel ways to debug ¡ª like if I select an Arduino with a built in LCD display where I can show debug and protocol status info.? if I come up with something good, I¡¯ll either be sharing it or selling it. Will say more when I have something to show. Mike |
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Re: Trying to Understand Crestron Gateways. Helped Needed please!!!
Thanks Eric and Jay so far greatly appreciated,
Great points you both bring up about the range of MLX's remotes compared to ML 600's and 418 Gateway.? I just assumed the newer tech would be even better than the older ML 600's. That being said do you think one of the new Gateways controlling 3 MLX's remotes in a home three levels over 3200 sq feet will not suffice and I will be disappointed compared to my ML set up right off the start?? And end up needing 2 more Gateways? And my Crestron guy was saying the 2 way feedback is so advantageous now I am questioning if this was a good idea to upgrade or not??? Why is 2 way so much better? I will keep the ML's for sure,? Any more advice greatly appreciated. Thanks Oil Country |
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Re: No Lights in Crestron House anymore please help very dark now Pac2 mini maybe failing?
Crestron suggests only 20 devices or 1000' per cable or cresnet segment. This has nothing to do with power and everything to do with communication. The more current the processor the more I have noticed this guideline needs to be followed. You are going from a 2-series with a built-in hub to a 3-series without a hub. If you have more than 20-25 devices without a hub you will most likely start noticing inconsistencies with button presses, feedback and your loads. A CNX-HUB or DIN-HUB should really be used
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Re: No Lights in Crestron House anymore please help very dark now Pac2 mini maybe failing?
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 09:55 PM, Oil Country wrote:
I ?have the power loads distributed through my 4 CNPWS-75 power supplies distributed evenly to all the cresnet devices so I am good this way. ?FTR, power supplies and Cresnet Hubs are not the same thing. The PSs are of course to provide sufficient power for various devices (Four 75w PSs seem to be ALOT for a lighting system, unless this is also for other integration devices as well). A Cresnet hub (Available in stand-alone models and built into devices like the Pac2M which has two Hub Ports) allows a balancing for the communications load for multiple cresnet devices.? EX: if you had 38 cresnet keypads, they would only draw ~ 40-60w but would require (for proper design) two hub ports. if you added seven CLX lighting modules, technically you should have three hub ports and thus would require an additional hub device with or in place of your Pac2M hub Ports. *** Most all of us would agree that you can push this limit, especially depending on what devices and their characteristics, so in my example of 38 keypads and 7 modules, I would be very comfortable using only the two hub ports on the Pac2M because the keypads are a very low load on the system.? But professional design considerations need to be evaluated with your particular system... How many Cresnet keypads, CLX modules and other cresnet devices are attached to your lighting system?? |
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Re: Trying to Understand Crestron Gateways. Helped Needed please!!!
Don't be so quick to throw away the ML-600 remotes.? I think they are the most bullet-proof remotes that Crestron ever offered.? I still use one in my own house because it simply works 100% of the time.? Yes, it doesn't offer 2 way features of the latest and greatest remotes.? However, my A/V receiver displays the volume level on the TV when I adjust it and I don't need any other 2-way feedback for my TV watching where a Roku is my only video source. The only thing I feel I'm missing is voice control through the remote.
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Given the age of the remote and gateway, I've very inexpensively bought some spares on eBay. Eric's comment about the strength of the signal from the ML-600 is very true.? I had a customer in a 16,000 sq ft home.? One of the kids stuck an ML-600 between the cushions on a couch in a 3rd floor playroom that depressed some buttons on the remote.? The signal was so strong it jammed the operation of every other remote in the house including those in the basement.? As soon as we found the remote in the playroom, and pulled it out from between the cushions, all the other remotes in the house started working again. Hope this helps Jay On 5/23/2024 6:12 AM, Eric Luckart via groups.io wrote:
Crestron had a lot of issues with that remote, the resolution was to use a single remote per gateway. |
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Re: Trying to Understand Crestron Gateways. Helped Needed please!!!
Crestron had a lot of issues with that remote, the resolution was to use a single remote per gateway.
The ml600 communicated over 418mhz. The MLX-2 is using 2.4ghz. 2.4ghz has no where close to the range 418.hz has. You should be able to expect about the same range as you get with a 2.4ghz wifi ap, that is not true with the MLX-2. I think Crestron says 15 to 30'. If you were to use the newer mlx3 or a current remote you would get better range but still not ml600 range. |
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Re: Trying to Understand Crestron Gateways. Helped Needed please!!!
Thanks Eric for clarifying this, however could you please elaborate on why Crestron said you should use a separate gateway for each remote?Does that mean I need to purchase 3 gateways since I will have 3 MLX-2¡¯s? |
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Re: Trying to Understand Crestron Gateways. Helped Needed please!!!
Also, keep in mind that when you are using the CEN-RFGW-EX gateway with a MLX-2 it can not be used with any other device. You will use the CEN-RFGW-EX(MLX-2) version of the definition in the program. Crestron suggested only using a single remote per gateway, I used more than one without issues. Look over the firmware release notes on the CEN-RFGE-EX, I know they stopped supporting the MLX-2 in one of the versions.
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Re: Trying to Understand Crestron Gateways. Helped Needed please!!!
You have to use the CEN-RFGW-EX with MLX-2, none of the other gateways will work with that remote.
The CEN-RFGW-EX was originally just for EX devices. Crestron figured out they could update it with firmware to add the ER devices as well, so they did. The CEN-ERFGW only does ER devices. |
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Trying to Understand Crestron Gateways. Helped Needed please!!!
Hi there, I have recently started ?replacing and upgrading my old ?PVID/Pro2 system with Ml 600's to an DMPS3 4K-350 C-Series processor. ?While doing this upgrade I decided to go away from 3 ML600's remotes to 3 MLX-2 infiNet EX remotes.
?I want to have 2 way feedback control with the remotes and not as bulky remotes. Where the problem or concern lies is that I was told my CNRFWGA-418 won't be able to communicate with the new MLX-2's remotes and I would have to upgrade to a CEN-RFGW-EX Gateway https://www.crestron.com/Products/Control-Hardware-Software/Wireless-Communications/Wireless-Gateways/CEN-RFGW-EX-PWE which now has been replaced by a CEN-GWEXER gateway.https://www.crestron.com/Products/Control-Hardware-Software/Wireless-Communications/Wireless-Gateways/CEN-GWEXER What I was wondering if I can pick up for less monies and within Canada a CEN-ERFGW ?gateway which has also been replaced by a CEN-GWEXER gateway. Can I use this ?CEN-ERFGW gateway to communicate with MLX-2 remotes or do I need to use the CEN-RFGW-EX Gateway to communicate with MLX-2 remotes only? I am trying to understand what differences between these two gateways are that were both replaced by a single CEN-GWEXER gateway which can communicate to the MLX -2 remotes Any clarification on this greatly appreciated as want to make sure buy the proper gateway to work in conjunction with new remotes Cheers Oil Country |
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Re: No Lights in Crestron House anymore please help very dark now Pac2 mini maybe failing?
Hi there my temporary fix is still working as I await the arrival of my Crestron RMC3., I was able to get a used one in Canada for quite a bit less than a used Pac2 Mini. ?I will keep Pac2 M and try to locate a new power supply and use it as a back up in case RMC3 goes down.
"Cresnet wants only 20 devices per cresnet Hub/Port. I'm assuming that you have a panelized system with dimmer modules and keypads, versus an all wireless system - Yes? If so, how many devices do you have in the lighting system?? Modules, Keypads, etc." I ?have the power loads distributed through my 4 CNPWS-75 power supplies distributed evenly to all the cresnet devices so I am good this way. ? Once I get RMC installed I will let you know how everything turned out but for now I have lights working which is good my wife says :) Cheers Oil Country? |
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Re: DSC PowerSeries Neo
Thanks for the feedback, Gregory.
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How long ago was it integrated, and has it been reliable? -----Original Message----- |
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