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Re: Crestron Home Driver Using the Driver SDK
I would strongly agree with this.
I've watched plenty of companies end up in this sort of situation. The biggest challengeis often, as you say, the mindset. APIs, like the drivers here, are almost always a tradeoff in where complexity is exposed and who bears the burden of handling it. That, you can make the API simple to get right and the backend hard to get right, or the backend simple to get right and the API hard to get right. (It's rare you can make both true) Lots of times i would see the driver/etc APIs go from nothing to becoming one of the main user interfaces for developers. But the engineers/etc would still focus on making the backend easy and be okay with making the APIs hard. This almost always resulted in failure - the cases where it didn't is where the market share was so tremendous that nobody had a choice. The companies that succeeded were eventually able to shift to making the APIs much easier, and eating the backend complexity. This is a hard mindset shift to achieve - it requires getting people to be very empathetic to people they've often never really had to think of too much. Crestron is definitely not there yet. --Dan |
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Re: Crestron wireless for residential
If you are skeptical about wifi and interference, the only other solution will be Zwave with a hub. Look into Hubitat. I know it's frequency varies by region so you have to see what is available for yours.
I use it at home and once setup properly it works well. But it does require some setup and planning so there is a learnig curve and if you need support - you are mostly on your own/online communities. Edit: if you are dealing with large home, Zwave is probably not the right solution due to its distance limitations and limites mesh hops. |
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Re: Crestron wireless for residential
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOh, and bonus question: What?s the preferred solution for wireless push-buttons? ? Cheers, Thorsten ? Von: Thorsten K?hler <thorsten.koehler@...> ? Hi Jay, ? i did some testing yesterday (incl. your Crestron modules) and i?m pretty impressed. I?d prefer to have them in client mode rather than in AP mode by default since it adds an extra step to the configuration, but overall it seems to be a very nice little device. However, i?m still a bit skeptical about using wifi because it?s more prone to interference compared to other ¡°traditional¡± wireless home automation standards. So what?s your experience on that? ? Next week, i?ll integrate one Shelly at my friend?s house for testing to get some real world experience myself. ? Cheers, Thorsten ? Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von jbasen ? Just a few weeks back I wrote a detailed article about Shelly IoT relays.? One of them could probably handle this very easily and the relays are small enough to go in the box with the outlet itself.? And, I've already written the Crestron-Shelly driver modules for you. Hope this helps Jay On 2/7/2021 12:46 PM, Thorsten K?hler wrote:
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Re: Crestron wireless for residential
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Jay, ? i did some testing yesterday (incl. your Crestron modules) and i?m pretty impressed. I?d prefer to have them in client mode rather than in AP mode by default since it adds an extra step to the configuration, but overall it seems to be a very nice little device. However, i?m still a bit skeptical about using wifi because it?s more prone to interference compared to other ¡°traditional¡± wireless home automation standards. So what?s your experience on that? ? Next week, i?ll integrate one Shelly at my friend?s house for testing to get some real world experience myself. ? Cheers, Thorsten ? Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von jbasen ? Just a few weeks back I wrote a detailed article about Shelly IoT relays.? One of them could probably handle this very easily and the relays are small enough to go in the box with the outlet itself.? And, I've already written the Crestron-Shelly driver modules for you. Hope this helps Jay On 2/7/2021 12:46 PM, Thorsten K?hler wrote:
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Re: Crestron Home Driver Using the Driver SDK
There's also the element of competition (or rather, competitive dis-advantage).? Control 4, and others (Savant, Elan, etc. to a lesser extent), -??whatever you think about those products - have a good following with integrators.
Crestron like to pull up the pyramid drawing at this point.? For commercial, that's high end bespoke board rooms at the pointy end, and gazillions of huddle spaces at the fat bottom.? For resi, we only really had the smaller pointy end, and Crestron want the fatter bottom space that Control 4 and others occupy. I have no problem with the theory there - but to compete at the fat bottom takes a different mindset/approach which I'm not sure has been achieved yet. Crestron Home (which, for the avoidance of doubt, *IS* Pyng, with a new skin) needs to cover a huge breadth of compatible products to be viable against those other guys, and Crestron don't have the bandwidth to do it all in-house.? Manufacturers don't (whatever people might claim) have the Crestron-specific skills to create drivers themselves.? That leaves people like CSPs or integrators with programming talent (and with S# skills) to mop up the shortfall.? Trying to reducing the friction here is probably what takes up 75% of my time with CCD at the moment. |
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Re: Crestron Home Driver Using the Driver SDK
Oh boy. I have just literally been going through this the past few days to write a custom Crestron Home driver.?? The other extension retrieves the weather from the web, and may be a simpler example for your purposes: |
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Re: Crestron Home Driver Using the Driver SDK
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýUI is also a big part of it.? Even if the programming works well
and the system supports all the wiz-bang ideas the customer came
up with making a decent UI takes a special talent that very few
programmers have.? On 2/18/2021 5:29 PM,
zac.sparrow@... wrote:
Thanks guys. The other reason I was (and still am) is because I generally pick either the cheapest or the most expensive option.? Home is a middle ground but it seems to me if someone would spend the $ for Home, why not go all the way in.? |
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Re: LG OLED TV CCD IP Driver - How to get it to work on a CP3?
If you assign signals to all the user attribute feedbacks then you¡¯ll see in debugger the descriptions of each populate when you first load the driver. That¡¯s how you know what goes where.
Same for the media services. As long as you¡¯ve assigned the signals, you¡¯ll see which is for YouTube, Netflix, etc. |
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Re: Crestron Home Driver Using the Driver SDK
Thanks guys. The other reason I was (and still am) is because I generally pick either the cheapest or the most expensive option.? Home is a middle ground but it seems to me if someone would spend the $ for Home, why not go all the way in.?
The part about dealers struggling with programming does makes sense though. Didn't think of it this way.? |
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Re: LG OLED TV CCD IP Driver - How to get it to work on a CP3?
Finally some progress.... once I swapped the assignments for MAC address and Pass Code in the User Attributes it started working. So in case s.o. runs into the same problem:
I now have control and somewhat feedback: feedback on power state and inputs seems to work well, but volume feedback is kind of useless. For some reason the volume feedback state (it should be a percentage value) keeps reverting back to an earlier value, even though the TB has clearly changed its volume - audible, as well as per display. I am not sure how to resolve this. I have seen similar 'signal garbage' with volume feedback via RS232.? On a more general note, shouldn't there some kind of documentation for this?? How can one guess what goes where? I did not see anything in the .dat file, which is the closest I have found thus far as documentation. How would I be able to figure out how to launch the build in apps, e.g. YouTube or Netflix that are seemingly supported per .dat file??? |
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Re: Crestron Home Driver Using the Driver SDK
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI'll throw in one more perspective.? Not all dealers are created
equal.? There are dealers that have a really good programming
staff and others that may otherwise be really good at A/V but
don't do programming well.? The best dealers can deliver? a very
customized/large system but other dealers struggle and Crestron
has to take the phone calls from unhappy homeowners who weren't
educated enough to tell the difference until it was too late.? A
product like Crestron home levels the playing field and allows a
good A/V dealer that doesn't have great programmers to be
successful delivering Crestron systems.? Great story about your old science teacher/coach Lincoln. On 2/18/2021 3:45 PM, Lincoln
King-Cliby wrote:
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Re: Crestron Home Driver Using the Driver SDK
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThis is from a Commercial guy with Residential coworkers (including helping with development of an extension¡which is just plain painful) so take it for what it is: ? There are (at least two) two types of customers: The fiddly, ¡°I want to be able to do anything and everything with any widget I can think of, for a system of any size or complexity¡± and the ¡°I want a level of integration and I¡¯ll more or less take what I can get¡± ? ? Crestron Home is very well suited for the latter ¨C if you can control the rules of engagement and the client is OK with more or less ¡®standard¡¯ functionality, and nothing too crazy as far as size or scope that¡¯s exactly the niche that Crestron Home appears to play nicely with. The tradeoff, of course, is you are given a sandbox and going out of that sandbox is difficult/painful/impossible depending on what exactly you¡¯re trying to do. ? On the other hand the former is not well suited for Crestron Home, IMO ¨C if you have weird subsystems, a giant property (or interdependent properties), very specific preferences on operation, etc. ¨C that¡¯s where full custom programming makes sense. Of course the tradeoff is higher overall costs. ? Think of it like ¡°tract home¡± vs ¡°custom home¡± ¨C sure in the tract home you might be able to change paint colors, carpet vs wood, etc. but by and large the floorplan is going to be the floorplan, the windows will be where the windows are and it might look like 6 other houses on the block (funny story from high school below)¡ but the cost per square foot is going to be lower because an architect is copy-pasting, the builders have muscle memory, and the overall attention to detail may not be a strong. On the other hand with a full-custom luxury build¡ You want 90,000 square feet? Done. Want 2 bathrooms for every bedroom? Done. Need a walk-in closet bigger than some European countries? No problem. Helipad? Sure. But you pay (not just in cash) for that flexibility. ? Lincoln ? ? (Ok so, I grew up in suburban Southern California¡ the land of the endless subdivision. My neighborhood had more variety than some ¨C we had square accent windows and brown trip while the look-alike 3 lots down had rounded windows and grey trim, such variety! Other neighborhoods weren¡¯t as diverse. One of my science teacher/swim coaches in particular, lived in a neighborhood where someone just fell asleep on the Ctrl+V button. One night he was startled to find a somewhat drunken neighbor stumble into his living room¡ not only did their houses look exactly the same 6 doors apart but they had happened to get locks using the same keys) ? ? -- Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
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Re: Crestron Home Driver Using the Driver SDK
Sorry for the slight off tipic...
I am still trying to understand the purpose of Crestron Home. From Crestron prospective,? to capture more client base with same hardware but handicapped functionality.? Sounds good on paper but if it is so complicated to write a driver,? how are they attacking more vendors or are all drivers written by them? They seemed to be fully committed to it. From dealer prospective,? limited numbers of vendors and models they can use. Must be a big issue now with the low stock of everything.? Then when the client says 6 months in "I need this XYZ integrated" (XYZ being whatever the latest gimmick is), how do you tell them it can't be done? From client's prospective,? cheaper but not customizable and limited life *cough* pyng *cough* Yet I've seen multiple people that are Crestron savvy switching their personal systems from SIMPL to Home. So confusing. |
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Re: Crestron Home Driver Using the Driver SDK
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýIf you ever make it to Sun Valley I'll be glad to show you around
the mountain.? Having been here for over 10 years now I can attest that you can
continue to improve but it takes time on the mountain and ongoing
lessons help too.? I know people that are over 80 and ski almost
every day.? On 2/18/2021 2:17 PM, Oliver Hall
wrote:
Lol - I can draw metaphors with the best of ¡®em! |
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Re: Extron DMP 128 crestron module
Hi Rogelio,
Please have a look at the example that is part of the zip file. To make the module work, a few things need to be ensured: - Verbose mode 3 needs to be enabled - Before controlling the volume, the value needs to be polled once BTW: When controlling a stereo input, I suggest to use a group. Configure the group(s) in the DSP Configurator. By doing so you can make sure that left and right channel always have the same level. Questions or feedback welcome Crestronfreak55 |
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Re: Kaleidescape access from multiple control systems
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýCool, thanks! Cheers, Thorsten ? Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von Mitch Bigelow ? Yes, I've had 4 connections open to a player before. |