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Terima kasih Shifa untuk pertanyaannya dan terima kasih Mas Probo untuk jawabannya. Selalu ada hal baru untuk menambah wawasan (saya).

Salam,

Sofia

Pada tanggal Jum, 22 Sep 2023 15.28, Dvi Shifa <dvi.shifa@...> menulis:

Terima kasih Mas Probo

On Fri, 22 Sept 2023, 03:41 Probo Drijarkara, <probodj@...> wrote:

Mbak Shiva,?

UU 24/2009 bilang begini:?

Pasal 31
(1) Bahasa Indonesia wajib digunakan dalam nota kesepahaman atau perjanjian yang melibatkan lembaga negara, instansi pemerintah Republik Indonesia, lembaga swasta Indonesia atau perseorangan warga negara Indonesia.
(2) Nota kesepahaman atau perjanjian sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) yang melibatkan pihak asing ditulis juga dalam bahasa nasional pihak asing tersebut dan/atau bahasa Inggris.

Ayat 1 ada kata "wajib" sedangkan ayat 2 tidak bilang "wajib". Silakan diartikan sendiri, saya bukan ahli hukum.?

Karena bahasa Indonesia wajib, maka mestinya posisinya didahulukan (di atas, atau di kiri kalau pakai format dua kolom).?

Tambahan: biasanya ada pernyataan "jika terdapat perbedaan, maka teks bahasa xxx yang dijadikan acuan".?

Tabik,?

-- Probo

On Fri, 22 Sept 2023 at 09:11, Dvi Shifa <dvi.shifa@...> wrote:

Rekan-rekan Bahtera,?

Mohon bantuannya tentang format penggunaan dwibahasa dalam dokumen kontrak jual-beli atau layanan.?

1. Mengingat perusahaan penyedia layanan adalah perusahaan asing, apakah ada UU yang mengatur bahasa perjanjiannya? harus dibuat dwibahasa?
2. Format dokumen, apakah ada standar yang menyatakan bahwa Bahasa Indonesia di atas dan bahasa Inggris di bagian bawah, atau sebaliknya? Menurut saya seharusnya bahasa Indonesia terlebih dahulu (di atas) dan bahasa Inggris ditulis di bagian bawahnya dengan cetak miring. Contoh format yang ada adalah sebagai berikut:?
   

Terima kasih

Shifa

--

SKYPE: dvi.shifa

Mbak Shiva,?

UU 24/2009 bilang begini:?

Pasal 31
(1) Bahasa Indonesia wajib digunakan dalam nota kesepahaman atau perjanjian yang melibatkan lembaga negara, instansi pemerintah Republik Indonesia, lembaga swasta Indonesia atau perseorangan warga negara Indonesia.
(2) Nota kesepahaman atau perjanjian sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) yang melibatkan pihak asing ditulis juga dalam bahasa nasional pihak asing tersebut dan/atau bahasa Inggris.

Ayat 1 ada kata "wajib" sedangkan ayat 2 tidak bilang "wajib". Silakan diartikan sendiri, saya bukan ahli hukum.?

Karena bahasa Indonesia wajib, maka mestinya posisinya didahulukan (di atas, atau di kiri kalau pakai format dua kolom).?

Tambahan: biasanya ada pernyataan "jika terdapat perbedaan, maka teks bahasa xxx yang dijadikan acuan".?

Tabik,?

-- Probo

On Fri, 22 Sept 2023 at 09:11, Dvi Shifa <dvi.shifa@...> wrote:

Rekan-rekan Bahtera,?

Mohon bantuannya tentang format penggunaan dwibahasa dalam dokumen kontrak jual-beli atau layanan.?

1. Mengingat perusahaan penyedia layanan adalah perusahaan asing, apakah ada UU yang mengatur bahasa perjanjiannya? harus dibuat dwibahasa?
2. Format dokumen, apakah ada standar yang menyatakan bahwa Bahasa Indonesia di atas dan bahasa Inggris di bagian bawah, atau sebaliknya? Menurut saya seharusnya bahasa Indonesia terlebih dahulu (di atas) dan bahasa Inggris ditulis di bagian bawahnya dengan cetak miring. Contoh format yang ada adalah sebagai berikut:?
   

Terima kasih

Shifa

--

SKYPE: dvi.shifa

Rekan-rekan Bahtera,?

Mohon bantuannya tentang format penggunaan dwibahasa dalam dokumen kontrak jual-beli atau layanan.?

1. Mengingat perusahaan penyedia layanan adalah perusahaan asing, apakah ada UU yang mengatur bahasa perjanjiannya? harus dibuat dwibahasa?
2. Format dokumen, apakah ada standar yang menyatakan bahwa Bahasa Indonesia di atas dan bahasa Inggris di bagian bawah, atau sebaliknya? Menurut saya seharusnya bahasa Indonesia terlebih dahulu (di atas) dan bahasa Inggris ditulis di bagian bawahnya dengan cetak miring. Contoh format yang ada adalah sebagai berikut:?
   

Terima kasih

Shifa

--

SKYPE: dvi.shifa

Pak Ron,

Sebagai catatan, terjemahan Anda akan memengaruhi cara menerjemahkan frasa berikut dari kasus nyata dan mungkin akan ditemui suatu saat:

Termohon (bekas istri) dalam keadaan tidak diketahui

Tidak dapat dipastikan apakah karena si istri sudah menopause, tidak menghadiri sidang perceraian sama sekali, atau aneka skenario lain. Yang pasti, yang dimaksudkan adalah:

Termohon (bekas istri) dalam keadaan tidak diketahui [apakah sedang suci haid atau tidak]

Salam,?

Erich Ekoputra

Pada Senin, 10 Juli 2023 pukul 09.15.38 GMT+7, Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> menulis:

Alan,

Thanks. Yes, I have varied what I have put and have never had any complaints. I was just curious what might be the "correct" translation.

Cheers

Ron?

?

?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St.,
Austinmer NSW 2515
Mob: 0409399752

On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 11:30?AM Alan Stevens <alanstevens200@...> wrote:

I have translated hundreds of these and always used not menstruating and nobody has ever complained.? But they were for an American client and the details of islamic law were of no interest to them.?

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 6:50 PM Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Thanks so much

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton


phone: 0409 399 752

On Mon, 10 July 2023, 8:47 am Bash, <bbasalamah@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

I believe "dalam keadaan suci" refers to not just post-menstruation but also nifas i.e. post-partum, because if the woman gives birth during the 4-month iddah, that's another child the divorcing husband will be responsible for.

In view of the more complex scope of meaning, I'd keep the translation closer to source as "in ritual purity" and leave it as that.

I stand corrected but so far I haven't found a better way to put it.

Bashir?

???

On Sun, 9 Jul 2023, 13:23 Ron Witton, <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Terima kasih?

Ada setujuan umum?

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton


phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 3:20 pm Erich Ekoputra, <erich.ekoputra@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

No, one can have sex, and get divorced next day. Anyway, the court will not do physical exam. So, masa iddah is the way Islam takes to avoid that humiliating treatment against women.

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:15, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

...but wouldn't having a period be the best proof she was not pregnant???

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton


phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 3:11 pm Erich Ekoputra, <erich.ekoputra@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

It is for roughly calculating masa indah.

Muslimah cannot get married during that period to ensure she is not carrying her former husband's child.

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:05, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

Yes, I thought that...but it might imply she may be pregnant.... I can't see why a court might consider not having her period as important/ desirable...

Ada masukan daripada orang lain?

Ron

(Dr) Ron Witton


phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 2:55 pm Tuti Gunawan, <tutigunawan@...> wrote:

I think 'keadaan suci' here means that the wife is not having a period.

Tuti

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 2:37?PM Roggie Cale via <roggiecale=[email protected]> wrote:

This is what I could find:

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage consummated

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage not consummated

Roggie

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 09:31:25 PM PDT, Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Can anyone help with the best translation for:

Penggugat (bekas?isteri) dalam?keadaan?ba'da?dukhul?

Penggugat (bekas isteri)?dalam?keadaan suci

Sebagai biasa, terima kasih sebelumnya

Ron

-??????

?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St.,
Austinmer NSW 2515
Mob: 0409399752

I have translated hundreds of these and always used not menstruating and nobody has ever complained.? But they were for an American client and the details of islamic law were of no interest to them.?

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 6:50 PM Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Thanks so much

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton


phone: 0409 399 752

On Mon, 10 July 2023, 8:47 am Bash, <bbasalamah@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

I believe "dalam keadaan suci" refers to not just post-menstruation but also nifas i.e. post-partum, because if the woman gives birth during the 4-month iddah, that's another child the divorcing husband will be responsible for.

In view of the more complex scope of meaning, I'd keep the translation closer to source as "in ritual purity" and leave it as that.

I stand corrected but so far I haven't found a better way to put it.

Bashir?

???

On Sun, 9 Jul 2023, 13:23 Ron Witton, <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Terima kasih?

Ada setujuan umum?

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton


phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 3:20 pm Erich Ekoputra, <erich.ekoputra@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

No, one can have sex, and get divorced next day. Anyway, the court will not do physical exam. So, masa iddah is the way Islam takes to avoid that humiliating treatment against women.

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:15, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

...but wouldn't having a period be the best proof she was not pregnant???

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton


phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 3:11 pm Erich Ekoputra, <erich.ekoputra@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

It is for roughly calculating masa indah.

Muslimah cannot get married during that period to ensure she is not carrying her former husband's child.

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:05, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

Yes, I thought that...but it might imply she may be pregnant.... I can't see why a court might consider not having her period as important/ desirable...

Ada masukan daripada orang lain?

Ron

(Dr) Ron Witton


phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 2:55 pm Tuti Gunawan, <tutigunawan@...> wrote:

I think 'keadaan suci' here means that the wife is not having a period.

Tuti

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 2:37?PM Roggie Cale via <roggiecale=[email protected]> wrote:

This is what I could find:

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage consummated

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage not consummated

Roggie

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 09:31:25 PM PDT, Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Can anyone help with the best translation for:

Penggugat (bekas?isteri) dalam?keadaan?ba'da?dukhul?

Penggugat (bekas isteri)?dalam?keadaan suci

Sebagai biasa, terima kasih sebelumnya

Ron

-??????

?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St.,
Austinmer NSW 2515
Mob: 0409399752

Thanks so much

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton


phone: 0409 399 752

On Mon, 10 July 2023, 8:47 am Bash, <bbasalamah@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

I believe "dalam keadaan suci" refers to not just post-menstruation but also nifas i.e. post-partum, because if the woman gives birth during the 4-month iddah, that's another child the divorcing husband will be responsible for.

In view of the more complex scope of meaning, I'd keep the translation closer to source as "in ritual purity" and leave it as that.

I stand corrected but so far I haven't found a better way to put it.

Bashir?

???

On Sun, 9 Jul 2023, 13:23 Ron Witton, <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Terima kasih?

Ada setujuan umum?

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton


phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 3:20 pm Erich Ekoputra, <erich.ekoputra@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

No, one can have sex, and get divorced next day. Anyway, the court will not do physical exam. So, masa iddah is the way Islam takes to avoid that humiliating treatment against women.

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:15, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

...but wouldn't having a period be the best proof she was not pregnant???

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton


phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 3:11 pm Erich Ekoputra, <erich.ekoputra@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

It is for roughly calculating masa indah.

Muslimah cannot get married during that period to ensure she is not carrying her former husband's child.

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:05, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

Yes, I thought that...but it might imply she may be pregnant.... I can't see why a court might consider not having her period as important/ desirable...

Ada masukan daripada orang lain?

Ron

(Dr) Ron Witton


phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 2:55 pm Tuti Gunawan, <tutigunawan@...> wrote:

I think 'keadaan suci' here means that the wife is not having a period.

Tuti

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 2:37?PM Roggie Cale via <roggiecale=[email protected]> wrote:

This is what I could find:

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage consummated

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage not consummated

Roggie

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 09:31:25 PM PDT, Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Can anyone help with the best translation for:

Penggugat (bekas?isteri) dalam?keadaan?ba'da?dukhul?

Penggugat (bekas isteri)?dalam?keadaan suci

Sebagai biasa, terima kasih sebelumnya

Ron

-??????

?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St.,
Austinmer NSW 2515
Mob: 0409399752

Hi Ron,

I believe "dalam keadaan suci" refers to not just post-menstruation but also nifas i.e. post-partum, because if the woman gives birth during the 4-month iddah, that's another child the divorcing husband will be responsible for.

In view of the more complex scope of meaning, I'd keep the translation closer to source as "in ritual purity" and leave it as that.

I stand corrected but so far I haven't found a better way to put it.

Bashir?

???

On Sun, 9 Jul 2023, 13:23 Ron Witton, <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Terima kasih?

Ada setujuan umum?

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St
Austinmer NSW 2515
phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 3:20 pm Erich Ekoputra, <erich.ekoputra@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

No, one can have sex, and get divorced next day. Anyway, the court will not do physical exam. So, masa iddah is the way Islam takes to avoid that humiliating treatment against women.

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:15, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

...but wouldn't having a period be the best proof she was not pregnant???

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St
Austinmer NSW 2515
phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 3:11 pm Erich Ekoputra, <erich.ekoputra@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

It is for roughly calculating masa indah.

Muslimah cannot get married during that period to ensure she is not carrying her former husband's child.

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:05, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

Yes, I thought that...but it might imply she may be pregnant.... I can't see why a court might consider not having her period as important/ desirable...

Ada masukan daripada orang lain?

Ron

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St
Austinmer NSW 2515
phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 2:55 pm Tuti Gunawan, <tutigunawan@...> wrote:

I think 'keadaan suci' here means that the wife is not having a period.

Tuti

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 2:37?PM Roggie Cale via <roggiecale=[email protected]> wrote:

This is what I could find:

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage consummated

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage not consummated

Roggie

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 09:31:25 PM PDT, Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Can anyone help with the best translation for:

Penggugat (bekas?isteri) dalam?keadaan?ba'da?dukhul?

Penggugat (bekas isteri)?dalam?keadaan suci

Sebagai biasa, terima kasih sebelumnya

Ron

-??????

?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St.,
Austinmer NSW 2515
Mob: 0409399752

Terima kasih?

Ada setujuan umum?

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St
Austinmer NSW 2515
phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 3:20 pm Erich Ekoputra, <erich.ekoputra@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

No, one can have sex, and get divorced next day. Anyway, the court will not do physical exam. So, masa iddah is the way Islam takes to avoid that humiliating treatment against women.

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:15, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

...but wouldn't having a period be the best proof she was not pregnant???

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St
Austinmer NSW 2515
phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 3:11 pm Erich Ekoputra, <erich.ekoputra@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

It is for roughly calculating masa indah.

Muslimah cannot get married during that period to ensure she is not carrying her former husband's child.

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:05, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

Yes, I thought that...but it might imply she may be pregnant.... I can't see why a court might consider not having her period as important/ desirable...

Ada masukan daripada orang lain?

Ron

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St
Austinmer NSW 2515
phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 2:55 pm Tuti Gunawan, <tutigunawan@...> wrote:

I think 'keadaan suci' here means that the wife is not having a period.

Tuti

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 2:37?PM Roggie Cale via <roggiecale=[email protected]> wrote:

This is what I could find:

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage consummated

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage not consummated

Roggie

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 09:31:25 PM PDT, Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Can anyone help with the best translation for:

Penggugat (bekas?isteri) dalam?keadaan?ba'da?dukhul?

Penggugat (bekas isteri)?dalam?keadaan suci

Sebagai biasa, terima kasih sebelumnya

Ron

-??????

?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St.,
Austinmer NSW 2515
Mob: 0409399752

Hi Ron,

No, one can have sex, and get divorced next day. Anyway, the court will not do physical exam. So, masa iddah is the way Islam takes to avoid that humiliating treatment against women.

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:15, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

...but wouldn't having a period be the best proof she was not pregnant???

Ron?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St
Austinmer NSW 2515
phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 3:11 pm Erich Ekoputra, <erich.ekoputra@...> wrote:

Hi Ron,

It is for roughly calculating masa indah.

Muslimah cannot get married during that period to ensure she is not carrying her former husband's child.

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:05, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

Yes, I thought that...but it might imply she may be pregnant.... I can't see why a court might consider not having her period as important/ desirable...

Ada masukan daripada orang lain?

Ron

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St
Austinmer NSW 2515
phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 2:55 pm Tuti Gunawan, <tutigunawan@...> wrote:

I think 'keadaan suci' here means that the wife is not having a period.

Tuti

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 2:37?PM Roggie Cale via <roggiecale=[email protected]> wrote:

This is what I could find:

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage consummated

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage not consummated

Roggie

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 09:31:25 PM PDT, Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Can anyone help with the best translation for:

Penggugat (bekas?isteri) dalam?keadaan?ba'da?dukhul?

Penggugat (bekas isteri)?dalam?keadaan suci

Sebagai biasa, terima kasih sebelumnya

Ron

-??????

?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St.,
Austinmer NSW 2515
Mob: 0409399752

Hi Ron,

It is for roughly calculating masa indah.

Muslimah cannot get married during that period to ensure she is not carrying her former husband's child.

Erich Ekoputra
? I am currently away from my workstation, and reaching out to you via my celldev. ??lease excuse any typos!

Pada Min, 9 Jul 2023 pada 12:05, Ron Witton

<rwitton44@...> menulis:

Yes, I thought that...but it might imply she may be pregnant.... I can't see why a court might consider not having her period as important/ desirable...

Ada masukan daripada orang lain?

Ron

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St
Austinmer NSW 2515
phone: 0409 399 752

On Sun, 9 July 2023, 2:55 pm Tuti Gunawan, <tutigunawan@...> wrote:

I think 'keadaan suci' here means that the wife is not having a period.

Tuti

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 2:37?PM Roggie Cale via <roggiecale=[email protected]> wrote:

This is what I could find:

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage consummated

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage not consummated

Roggie

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 09:31:25 PM PDT, Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Can anyone help with the best translation for:

Penggugat (bekas?isteri) dalam?keadaan?ba'da?dukhul?

Penggugat (bekas isteri)?dalam?keadaan suci

Sebagai biasa, terima kasih sebelumnya

Ron

-??????

?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St.,
Austinmer NSW 2515
Mob: 0409399752

Yes, Pak Ron, a bit strange, I can only find this version at this moment, FYR only. I am also waiting?for further discussion :)

Salam,

Yumin

On Sunday, July 9, 2023, 11:54 AM, Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

This seems strange/contradictory.

I had thought maybe:

- Plaintiff (former wife) in consummated condition

- Plaintiff (former wife) not pregnant

What do others think?

Cheers

Ron

?

?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St.,
Austinmer NSW 2515
Mob: 0409399752

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 2:37?PM Roggie Cale via <roggiecale=[email protected]> wrote:

This is what I could find:

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage consummated

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage not consummated

Roggie

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 09:31:25 PM PDT, Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Can anyone help with the best translation for:

Penggugat (bekas?isteri) dalam?keadaan?ba'da?dukhul?

Penggugat (bekas isteri)?dalam?keadaan suci

Sebagai biasa, terima kasih sebelumnya

Ron

-??????

?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St.,
Austinmer NSW 2515
Mob: 0409399752

I think 'keadaan suci' here means that the wife is not having a period.

Tuti

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 2:37?PM Roggie Cale via <roggiecale=[email protected]> wrote:

This is what I could find:

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage consummated

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage not consummated

Roggie

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 09:31:25 PM PDT, Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Can anyone help with the best translation for:

Penggugat (bekas?isteri) dalam?keadaan?ba'da?dukhul?

Penggugat (bekas isteri)?dalam?keadaan suci

Sebagai biasa, terima kasih sebelumnya

Ron

-??????

?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St.,
Austinmer NSW 2515
Mob: 0409399752

This is what I could find:

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage consummated

Plaintiff (former wife) marriage not consummated

Roggie

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 09:31:25 PM PDT, Ron Witton <rwitton44@...> wrote:

Can anyone help with the best translation for:

Penggugat (bekas?isteri) dalam?keadaan?ba'da?dukhul?

Penggugat (bekas isteri)?dalam?keadaan suci

Sebagai biasa, terima kasih sebelumnya

Ron

-??????

?

(Dr) Ron Witton
22 Moore St.,
Austinmer NSW 2515
Mob: 0409399752