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I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the bottom. Thanks in advance for your input.
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开云体育I asked this question a year and a half back, being my first lathe, and having just rebuilt it I got the answer to be AXA.? It was the choice for 12 and under.I belive you could get away with BXA but others with more.knowledge can give you the.downside to that.? If you will be transitioning to a 13" then maybe make do with BXA to avoid buying another round of tooling. My $0.02. -Jody -------- Original message --------
From: Dan and Marlene Coleman <dan_marlene@...> Date: 1/14/19 7:52 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. Dan Coleman |
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I have 2 wedge type holders from CDCO tools. in Chicago. I am happy with them tool holders are no problem they have plenty
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Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA To: [email protected] Date: Monday, January 14, 2019, 8:52 PM I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. Dan Coleman |
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dan and Marlene Coleman <dan_marlene@...>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 8:52:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ?
I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward
the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the
bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. Dan Coleman |
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On 01/14/2019 07:52 PM, Dan and Marlene Coleman wrote:
I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easilyI used an AXA-size on a 12" Atlas, and think a BXA would be way too big. The big issue is that the larger BXA holders will not go low enough with some tooling. The AXA has the slot for the tooling lower in the holders, so that larger cutters can get down to the spindle centerline without fooling around. Jon |
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开云体育I have an AXA from CDCO, and love it. I will say do not get rid of the lantern tool post if you have one though. The more I use my old machines, the more I realize they are best used how they were intended. I was roughing in a part yesterday of 12L14,
and with a nice sharp HSS roughing tool, can easily take a 0.050 deep (0.100 on the diameter) with very little strain on my lathe. Even with W-1 I can take at 0.030 deep cut. Now I use my QCTP, it's not going anywhere, and you cant beat the convenience, just
saying, they tear off the material instead of cutting it. The old guys knew what they were talking about.
Kurt S
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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From: Dan and Marlene Coleman <dan_marlene@...>
Date: 1/14/19 8:52 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA
I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward
the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the
bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. Dan Coleman |
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开云体育I agree with GP,.if you need to save money, go with the CDCO tool post. They are nice and I have no complaints.? The holders are inexpensive also.-Jody -------- Original message --------
From: Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...> Date: 1/14/19 8:28 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA I have 2 wedge type holders from CDCO tools. in Chicago. I am happy with them tool holders are no problem they have plenty GP -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/14/19, Dan and Marlene Coleman <dan_marlene@...> wrote: Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA To: [email protected] Date: Monday, January 14, 2019, 8:52 PM I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. Dan Coleman |
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开云体育I’m using a Yuasa AXA originally purchased new with my 3996.? There are two problems with the BXA.? One is that everything about it is more expensive (including additional holders which you will need to buy or you are no better off than with the 4-way turret, and the ?” cutters that it takes).? As I’ve written before, there are two groups of people who have BXA QCTP’s on their Atlas, those who will admit that they wish that they had bought the AXA, and those who won’t.? J ? Robert Downs ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan and Marlene Coleman
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 19:53 To: [email protected] Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. |
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I'm one of the one's that won't.? I LOVE my BXA. No problems with using it that the original lantern post won't solve, although I haven't used the lantern post in more than 4 years. It holds 1/4 inch through 1 inch tool bits and I've never had trouble adjusting it for the height I want. Get the BXA and use the same tooling on both lathes, it would be silly to spend the extra for a set of AXA tooling. Regards, Rex On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:46 PM Robert Downs via Groups.Io <wa5cab=[email protected]> wrote:
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开云体育Be easier to buy a AXA, and make a spacer to fit it on the 13" lathe. I got my AXA-clone from Amazon for $140, seems they're going for $150 & up now, where the BXA clones start around $190 & up.? Don't see any reason anyone with a small mill or milling attachment couldn't make all the toolholders?they wanted, either.? Bill in OKC? Sent despite my Sprint Phone. -------- Original message -------- From: Rexarino <rexarino@...> Date: 1/15/19 2:19 AM (GMT-06:00) Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA I'm one of the one's that won't.? I LOVE my BXA. No problems with using it that the original lantern post won't solve, although I haven't used the lantern post in more than 4 years. It holds 1/4 inch through 1 inch tool bits and I've never had trouble adjusting it for the height I want. Get the BXA and use the same tooling on both lathes, it would be silly to spend the extra for a set of AXA tooling. Regards, Rex On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:46 PM Robert Downs via Groups.Io <wa5cab=[email protected]> wrote:
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开云体育Kurt,What if you used that same HSS roughing tool in the QCTP??? Are others finding that large cuts on hard steel are more difficult with QCTP.? I haven't had experience with both in doing large cuts. -Jody -------- Original message --------
From: ksierens <ksierens@...> Date: 1/14/19 10:00 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA I have an AXA from CDCO, and love it. I will say do not get rid of the lantern tool post if you have one though. The more I use my old machines, the more I realize they are best used how they were intended. I was roughing in a part yesterday of 12L14,
and with a nice sharp HSS roughing tool, can easily take a 0.050 deep (0.100 on the diameter) with very little strain on my lathe. Even with W-1 I can take at 0.030 deep cut. Now I use my QCTP, it's not going anywhere, and you cant beat the convenience, just
saying, they tear off the material instead of cutting it. The old guys knew what they were talking about.
Kurt S
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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From: Dan and Marlene Coleman <dan_marlene@...>
Date: 1/14/19 8:52 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA
I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward
the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the
bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. Dan Coleman |
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开云体育Jody, ? A number of problems.? The lantern tool post is centered on the compound, so the forces during cutting are straight down, as opposed to using a QCTP when the tool is hung? far from the centerline of the tool post. Second, you would need to duplicate the high positive rake of a tool like it is when you are using a lantern tool holder, but, if you were to grind a HSS tool with the same geometry and hold it in a QCTP, it will be much better.? I do not have a tangential (diamond) tool holder, but that should give you good result, but I still feel a lantern toolholder is still a much more rigid setup, but not convenient. ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Jody
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? Kurt, What if you used that same HSS roughing tool in the QCTP??? ? Are others finding that large cuts on hard steel are more difficult with QCTP.? I haven't had experience with both in doing large cuts. -Jody
I have an AXA from CDCO, and love it. I will say do not get rid of the lantern tool post if you have one though. The more I use my old machines, the more I realize they are best used how they were intended. I was roughing in a part yesterday of 12L14, and with a nice sharp HSS roughing tool, can easily take a 0.050 deep (0.100 on the diameter) with very little strain on my lathe. Even with W-1 I can take at 0.030 deep cut. Now I use my QCTP, it's not going anywhere, and you cant beat the convenience, just saying, they tear off the material instead of cutting it. The old guys knew what they were talking about. ? Kurt S ? ? ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: Dan and Marlene Coleman <dan_marlene@...> Date: 1/14/19 8:52 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm
leaning toward the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with
a spacer on the bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. |
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Yes its true the most solid tool post is a lantern type. If you take heavy cuts a axa, bxa. cxa are not as solid
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Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 8:34 AM Kurt,What if you used that same HSS roughing tool in the QCTP??? Are others finding that large cuts on hard steel are more difficult with QCTP.? I haven't had experience with both in doing large cuts.-Jody -------- Original message -------- From: ksierens <ksierens@...> Date: 1/14/19 10:00 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA I have an AXA from CDCO, and love it. I will say do not get rid of the lantern tool post if you have one though. The more I use my old machines, the more I realize they are best used how they were intended. I was roughing in a part yesterday of 12L14, and with a nice sharp HSS roughing tool, can easily take a 0.050 deep (0.100 on the diameter) with very little strain on my lathe. Even with W-1 I can take at 0.030 deep cut. Now I use my QCTP, it's not going anywhere, and you cant beat the convenience, just saying, they tear off the material instead of cutting it. The old guys knew what they were talking about. Kurt S Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Dan and Marlene Coleman <dan_marlene@...> Date: 1/14/19 8:52 PM (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. Dan Coleman |
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James Rice
I have an AXA on mine and on my South Bend 9A as well so I can appreciate you wanting to share holders and tooling between lathes as that is what I do as well.? My larger lathe is a South Bend 16 so I use a CXA post and holders on it.? It is close to the border between using a CA or a CXA.? I went CXA as I don't tend to hog out things on the lathe and the price difference between CA and CXA set and holders is huge!? I have a few friends who have Atlas lathes, one has a BXA and loves it, the others have AXA sets so I can't help you with an informed opinion.? I think I've used my rocker post twice in the last 11 years. As far as the tangential tool holders that were mentioned above, they are my go to bit holder for all my lathes.? I have made one for my Atlas 618, I bought a Diamond set and a pair Wimberly holders for my 12" and 9A and have been making a set for my South Bend 16 that will take either a 3/8" or 1/2" square tool bit.? I may buy a Diamond 20 set for the SB16 depending upon how my shopmade versions turn out.? Wimberly doesn't offer a holder for my 16" lathe. James On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:56 AM ksierens <ksierens@...> wrote:
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James, I tried to figure out those Diamond tangential tool holders. The manufacturer lists the sizes based on tool height in mm and none of them make any sense to me. How did you figure which size holder was good for your South Bend 9A and Which was was good
for your 12" Atlas??
I want to order one for each of my machines, but I am stumped by the Australian website. Please, help.?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Rice <james.rice@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ?
I have an AXA on mine and on my South Bend 9A as well so I can appreciate you wanting to share holders and tooling between lathes as that is what I do as well.? My larger lathe is a South Bend 16 so I use a CXA post and
holders on it.? It is close to the border between using a CA or a CXA.? I went CXA as I don't tend to hog out things on the lathe and the price difference between CA and CXA set and holders is huge!? I have a few friends who have Atlas lathes, one has a BXA
and loves it, the others have AXA sets so I can't help you with an informed opinion.? I think I've used my rocker post twice in the last 11 years.
As far as the tangential tool holders that were mentioned above, they are my go to bit holder for all my lathes.? I have made one for my Atlas 618, I bought a Diamond set and a pair Wimberly holders for my 12" and 9A and
have been making a set for my South Bend 16 that will take either a 3/8" or 1/2" square tool bit.? I may buy a Diamond 20 set for the SB16 depending upon how my shopmade versions turn out.? Wimberly doesn't offer a holder for my 16" lathe.
James
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:56 AM ksierens <ksierens@...> wrote:
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if you check the specifications it will tell you what size tool holder to use For a 9A I would use a axa
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Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 5:44 PM James, I tried to figure out those Diamond tangential tool holders. The manufacturer lists the sizes based on tool height in mm and none of them make any sense to me. How did you figure which size holder was good for your South Bend 9A and Which was was good for your 12" Atlas?? I want to order one for each of my machines, but I am stumped by the Australian website. Please, help.? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Rice <james.rice@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I have an AXA on mine and on my South Bend 9A as well so I can appreciate you wanting to share holders and tooling between lathes as that is what I do as well.? My larger lathe is a South Bend 16 so I use a CXA post and holders on it.? It is close to the border between using a CA or a CXA.? I went CXA as I don't tend to hog out things on the lathe and the price difference between CA and CXA set and holders is huge!? I have a few friends who have Atlas lathes, one has a BXA and loves it, the others have AXA sets so I can't help you with an informed opinion.? I think I've used my rocker post twice in the last 11 years. As far as the tangential tool holders that were mentioned above, they are my go to bit holder for all my lathes.? I have made one for my Atlas 618, I bought a Diamond set and a pair Wimberly holders for my 12" and 9A and have been making a set for my South Bend 16 that will take either a 3/8" or 1/2" square tool bit.? I may buy a Diamond 20 set for the SB16 depending upon how my shopmade versions turn out.? Wimberly doesn't offer a holder for my 16" lathe. James On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:56 AM ksierens <ksierens@...> wrote: Jody, ? A number of problems.? The lantern tool post is centered on the compound, so the forces during cutting are straight down, as opposed to using a QCTP when the tool is hung? far from the centerline of the tool post. Second, you would need to duplicate the high positive rake of a tool like it is when you are using a lantern tool holder, but, if you were to grind a HSS tool with the same geometry and hold it in a QCTP, it will be much better.? I do not have a tangential (diamond) tool holder, but that should give you good result, but I still feel a lantern toolholder is still a much more rigid setup, but not convenient. ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jody Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? Kurt, What if you used that same HSS roughing tool in the QCTP??? ? Are others finding that large cuts on hard steel are more difficult with QCTP.? I haven't had experience with both in doing large cuts. -Jody -------- Original message -------- From: ksierens <ksierens@...> Date: 1/14/19 10:00 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA I have an AXA from CDCO, and love it. I will say do not get rid of the lantern tool post if you have one though. The more I use my old machines, the more I realize they are best used how they were intended. I was roughing in a part yesterday of 12L14, and with a nice sharp HSS roughing tool, can easily take a 0.050 deep (0.100 on the diameter) with very little strain on my lathe. Even with W-1 I can take at 0.030 deep cut. Now I use my QCTP, it's not going anywhere, and you cant beat the convenience, just saying, they tear off the material instead of cutting it. The old guys knew what they were talking about. ? Kurt S ? ? ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: Dan and Marlene Coleman <dan_marlene@...> Date: 1/14/19 8:52 PM (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. Dan Coleman |
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GP, I have the AXA and lantern tool posts. I was looking at the website of the Australian manufacturer who makes tangential tool holders under the Diamond brand name?
Their website sucks, but I can't blame the man. His tools seem awesome, and that is what counts. He can always hire a web designing jockey to improve the site.?
The tool holders are listed by millimiter size and he is not measuring from the spindle center to the top of the compound to determine "tool height" which in turn is the size of the holder. I am a bit stumped by this or maybe my metric confusion is too great:??
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ?
if you check the specifications it will tell you what size tool holder to use For a 9A I would use a axa GP -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/15/19, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 5:44 PM James, I tried to figure out those Diamond tangential tool holders. The manufacturer lists the sizes based on tool height in mm and none of them make any sense to me. How did you figure which size holder was good for your South Bend 9A and Which was was good for your 12" Atlas?? I want to order one for each of my machines, but I am stumped by the Australian website. Please, help.? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Rice <james.rice@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I have an AXA on mine and on my South Bend 9A as well so I can appreciate you wanting to share holders and tooling between lathes as that is what I do as well.? My larger lathe is a South Bend 16 so I use a CXA post and holders on it.? It is close to the border between using a CA or a CXA.? I went CXA as I don't tend to hog out things on the lathe and the price difference between CA and CXA set and holders is huge!? I have a few friends who have Atlas lathes, one has a BXA and loves it, the others have AXA sets so I can't help you with an informed opinion.? I think I've used my rocker post twice in the last 11 years. As far as the tangential tool holders that were mentioned above, they are my go to bit holder for all my lathes.? I have made one for my Atlas 618, I bought a Diamond set and a pair Wimberly holders for my 12" and 9A and have been making a set for my South Bend 16 that will take either a 3/8" or 1/2" square tool bit.? I may buy a Diamond 20 set for the SB16 depending upon how my shopmade versions turn out.? Wimberly doesn't offer a holder for my 16" lathe. James On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:56 AM ksierens <ksierens@...> wrote: Jody, ? A number of problems.? The lantern tool post is centered on the compound, so the forces during cutting are straight down, as opposed to using a QCTP when the tool is hung? far from the centerline of the tool post. Second, you would need to duplicate the high positive rake of a tool like it is when you are using a lantern tool holder, but, if you were to grind a HSS tool with the same geometry and hold it in a QCTP, it will be much better.? I do not have a tangential (diamond) tool holder, but that should give you good result, but I still feel a lantern toolholder is still a much more rigid setup, but not convenient. ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jody Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? Kurt, What if you used that same HSS roughing tool in the QCTP??? ? Are others finding that large cuts on hard steel are more difficult with QCTP.? I haven't had experience with both in doing large cuts. -Jody -------- Original message -------- From: ksierens <ksierens@...> Date: 1/14/19 10:00 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA I have an AXA from CDCO, and love it. I will say do not get rid of the lantern tool post if you have one though. The more I use my old machines, the more I realize they are best used how they were intended. I was roughing in a part yesterday of 12L14, and with a nice sharp HSS roughing tool, can easily take a 0.050 deep (0.100 on the diameter) with very little strain on my lathe. Even with W-1 I can take at 0.030 deep cut. Now I use my QCTP, it's not going anywhere, and you cant beat the convenience, just saying, they tear off the material instead of cutting it. The old guys knew what they were talking about. ? Kurt S ? ? ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: Dan and Marlene Coleman <dan_marlene@...> Date: 1/14/19 8:52 PM (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. Dan Coleman |
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I wouldn't mind trying one of tool holders. does he ship from Australia. Didn't see the shipping cost
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Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 6:12 PM GP, I have the AXA and lantern tool posts. I was looking at the website of the Australian manufacturer who makes tangential tool holders under the Diamond brand name?www.eccentricengineering.com.au Their website sucks, but I can't blame the man. His tools seem awesome, and that is what counts. He can always hire a web designing jockey to improve the site.? The tool holders are listed by millimiter size and he is not measuring from the spindle center to the top of the compound to determine "tool height" which in turn is the size of the holder. I am a bit stumped by this or maybe my metric confusion is too great:?? The Diamond Tool Holder - eccentricengineering.com.au The Diamond Tool Holder. The Diamond Tool Holders are available in several tool heights to suit most lathes. To find the best fit for your lathe go to the Tool Selection page first.. Check out the categories under The Diamond Tool Holders below. www.eccentricengineering.com.au From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? if you check the specifications it will tell you what size tool holder to use For a 9A I would use a axa GP -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/15/19, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 5:44 PM James, I tried to figure out those Diamond tangential tool holders. The manufacturer lists the sizes based on tool height in mm and none of them make any sense to me. How did you figure which size holder was good for your South Bend 9A and Which was was good for your 12" Atlas?? I want to order one for each of my machines, but I am stumped by the Australian website. Please, help.? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Rice <james.rice@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I have an AXA on mine and on my South Bend 9A as well so I can appreciate you wanting to share holders and tooling between lathes as that is what I do as well.? My larger lathe is a South Bend 16 so I use a CXA post and holders on it.? It is close to the border between using a CA or a CXA.? I went CXA as I don't tend to hog out things on the lathe and the price difference between CA and CXA set and holders is huge!? I have a few friends who have Atlas lathes, one has a BXA and loves it, the others have AXA sets so I can't help you with an informed opinion.? I think I've used my rocker post twice in the last 11 years. As far as the tangential tool holders that were mentioned above, they are my go to bit holder for all my lathes.? I have made one for my Atlas 618, I bought a Diamond set and a pair Wimberly holders for my 12" and 9A and have been making a set for my South Bend 16 that will take either a 3/8" or 1/2" square tool bit.? I may buy a Diamond 20 set for the SB16 depending upon how my shopmade versions turn out.? Wimberly doesn't offer a holder for my 16" lathe. James On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:56 AM ksierens <ksierens@...> wrote: Jody, ? A number of problems.? The lantern tool post is centered on the compound, so the forces during cutting are straight down, as opposed to using a QCTP when the tool is hung? far from the centerline of the tool post. Second, you would need to duplicate the high positive rake of a tool like it is when you are using a lantern tool holder, but, if you were to grind a HSS tool with the same geometry and hold it in a QCTP, it will be much better.? I do not have a tangential (diamond) tool holder, but that should give you good result, but I still feel a lantern toolholder is still a much more rigid setup, but not convenient. ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jody Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? Kurt, What if you used that same HSS roughing tool in the QCTP??? ? Are others finding that large cuts on hard steel are more difficult with QCTP.? I haven't had experience with both in doing large cuts. -Jody -------- Original message -------- From: ksierens <ksierens@...> Date: 1/14/19 10:00 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA I have an AXA from CDCO, and love it. I will say do not get rid of the lantern tool post if you have one though. The more I use my old machines, the more I realize they are best used how they were intended. I was roughing in a part yesterday of 12L14, and with a nice sharp HSS roughing tool, can easily take a 0.050 deep (0.100 on the diameter) with very little strain on my lathe. Even with W-1 I can take at 0.030 deep cut. Now I use my QCTP, it's not going anywhere, and you cant beat the convenience, just saying, they tear off the material instead of cutting it. The old guys knew what they were talking about. ? Kurt S ? ? ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: Dan and Marlene Coleman <dan_marlene@...> Date: 1/14/19 8:52 PM (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. Dan Coleman |
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I wouldn't mind trying one of tool holders. does he ship from Australia. Didn't see the shipping cost
GP -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/15/19, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 6:12 PM GP, I have the AXA and lantern tool posts. I was looking at the website of the Australian manufacturer who makes tangential tool holders under the Diamond brand name?www.eccentricengineering.com.au Their website sucks, but I can't blame the man. His tools seem awesome, and that is what counts. He can always hire a web designing jockey to improve the site.? The tool holders are listed by millimiter size and he is not measuring from the spindle center to the top of the compound to determine "tool height" which in turn is the size of the holder. I am a bit stumped by this or maybe my metric confusion is too great:?? The Diamond Tool Holder - eccentricengineering.com.au The Diamond Tool Holder. The Diamond Tool Holders are available in several tool heights to suit most lathes. To find the best fit for your lathe go to the Tool Selection page first.. Check out the categories under The Diamond Tool Holders below. www.eccentricengineering.com.au From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? if you check the specifications it will tell you what size tool holder to use For a 9A I would use a axa GP -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/15/19, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 5:44 PM James, I tried to figure out those Diamond tangential tool holders. The manufacturer lists the sizes based on tool height in mm and none of them make any sense to me. How did you figure which size holder was good for your South Bend 9A and Which was was good for your 12" Atlas?? I want to order one for each of my machines, but I am stumped by the Australian website. Please, help.? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Rice <james.rice@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I have an AXA on mine and on my South Bend 9A as well so I can appreciate you wanting to share holders and tooling between lathes as that is what I do as well.? My larger lathe is a South Bend 16 so I use a CXA post and holders on it.? It is close to the border between using a CA or a CXA.? I went CXA as I don't tend to hog out things on the lathe and the price difference between CA and CXA set and holders is huge!? I have a few friends who have Atlas lathes, one has a BXA and loves it, the others have AXA sets so I can't help you with an informed opinion.? I think I've used my rocker post twice in the last 11 years. As far as the tangential tool holders that were mentioned above, they are my go to bit holder for all my lathes.? I have made one for my Atlas 618, I bought a Diamond set and a pair Wimberly holders for my 12" and 9A and have been making a set for my South Bend 16 that will take either a 3/8" or 1/2" square tool bit.? I may buy a Diamond 20 set for the SB16 depending upon how my shopmade versions turn out.? Wimberly doesn't offer a holder for my 16" lathe. James On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:56 AM ksierens <ksierens@...> wrote: Jody, ? A number of problems.? The lantern tool post is centered on the compound, so the forces during cutting are straight down, as opposed to using a QCTP when the tool is hung? far from the centerline of the tool post. Second, you would need to duplicate the high positive rake of a tool like it is when you are using a lantern tool holder, but, if you were to grind a HSS tool with the same geometry and hold it in a QCTP, it will be much better.? I do not have a tangential (diamond) tool holder, but that should give you good result, but I still feel a lantern toolholder is still a much more rigid setup, but not convenient. ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jody Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? Kurt, What if you used that same HSS roughing tool in the QCTP??? ? Are others finding that large cuts on hard steel are more difficult with QCTP.? I haven't had experience with both in doing large cuts. -Jody -------- Original message -------- From: ksierens <ksierens@...> Date: 1/14/19 10:00 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA I have an AXA from CDCO, and love it. I will say do not get rid of the lantern tool post if you have one though. The more I use my old machines, the more I realize they are best used how they were intended. I was roughing in a part yesterday of 12L14, and with a nice sharp HSS roughing tool, can easily take a 0.050 deep (0.100 on the diameter) with very little strain on my lathe. Even with W-1 I can take at 0.030 deep cut. Now I use my QCTP, it's not going anywhere, and you cant beat the convenience, just saying, they tear off the material instead of cutting it. The old guys knew what they were talking about. ? Kurt S ? ? ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: Dan and Marlene Coleman <dan_marlene@...> Date: 1/14/19 8:52 PM (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. Dan Coleman |
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Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 7:49 PM Probably 20 bucks or so Get Outlook for Android From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:48:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I wouldn't mind trying one of tool holders. does he ship from Australia. Didn't see the shipping cost GP -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/15/19, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 6:12 PM GP, I have the AXA and lantern tool posts. I was looking at the website of the Australian manufacturer who makes tangential tool holders under the Diamond brand name?www.eccentricengineering.com.au Their website sucks, but I can't blame the man. His tools seem awesome, and that is what counts. He can always hire a web designing jockey to improve the site.? The tool holders are listed by millimiter size and he is not measuring from the spindle center to the top of the compound to determine "tool height" which in turn is the size of the holder. I am a bit stumped by this or maybe my metric confusion is too great:?? The Diamond Tool Holder - eccentricengineering.com.au The Diamond Tool Holder. The Diamond Tool Holders are available in several tool heights to suit most lathes. To find the best fit for your lathe go to the Tool Selection page first.. Check out the categories under The Diamond Tool Holders below. www.eccentricengineering.com.au From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? if you check the specifications it will tell you what size tool holder to use For a 9A I would use a axa GP -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/15/19, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 5:44 PM James, I tried to figure out those Diamond tangential tool holders. The manufacturer lists the sizes based on tool height in mm and none of them make any sense to me. How did you figure which size holder was good for your South Bend 9A and Which was was good for your 12" Atlas?? I want to order one for each of my machines, but I am stumped by the Australian website. Please, help.? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Rice <james.rice@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I have an AXA on mine and on my South Bend 9A as well so I can appreciate you wanting to share holders and tooling between lathes as that is what I do as well.? My larger lathe is a South Bend 16 so I use a CXA post and holders on it.? It is close to the border between using a CA or a CXA.? I went CXA as I don't tend to hog out things on the lathe and the price difference between CA and CXA set and holders is huge!? I have a few friends who have Atlas lathes, one has a BXA and loves it, the others have AXA sets so I can't help you with an informed opinion.? I think I've used my rocker post twice in the last 11 years. As far as the tangential tool holders that were mentioned above, they are my go to bit holder for all my lathes.? I have made one for my Atlas 618, I bought a Diamond set and a pair Wimberly holders for my 12" and 9A and have been making a set for my South Bend 16 that will take either a 3/8" or 1/2" square tool bit.? I may buy a Diamond 20 set for the SB16 depending upon how my shopmade versions turn out.? Wimberly doesn't offer a holder for my 16" lathe. James On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:56 AM ksierens <ksierens@...> wrote: Jody, ? A number of problems.? The lantern tool post is centered on the compound, so the forces during cutting are straight down, as opposed to using a QCTP when the tool is hung? far from the centerline of the tool post. Second, you would need to duplicate the high positive rake of a tool like it is when you are using a lantern tool holder, but, if you were to grind a HSS tool with the same geometry and hold it in a QCTP, it will be much better.? I do not have a tangential (diamond) tool holder, but that should give you good result, but I still feel a lantern toolholder is still a much more rigid setup, but not convenient. ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jody Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? Kurt, What if you used that same HSS roughing tool in the QCTP??? ? Are others finding that large cuts on hard steel are more difficult with QCTP.? I haven't had experience with both in doing large cuts. -Jody -------- Original message -------- From: ksierens <ksierens@...> Date: 1/14/19 10:00 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA I have an AXA from CDCO, and love it. I will say do not get rid of the lantern tool post if you have one though. The more I use my old machines, the more I realize they are best used how they were intended. I was roughing in a part yesterday of 12L14, and with a nice sharp HSS roughing tool, can easily take a 0.050 deep (0.100 on the diameter) with very little strain on my lathe. Even with W-1 I can take at 0.030 deep cut. Now I use my QCTP, it's not going anywhere, and you cant beat the convenience, just saying, they tear off the material instead of cutting it. The old guys knew what they were talking about. ? Kurt S ? ? ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: Dan and Marlene Coleman <dan_marlene@...> Date: 1/14/19 8:52 PM (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ? I want to switch QC tool posts for something I can easily find extra holders. Looking at the Aloris fit chart an AXA is called out for all Atlas lathes. It looks like a BXA would also fit. What size are you using with your 12" Atlas. I'm leaning toward the BXA because I could also transfer this tooling to my 13" lathe later. My only concern is the bulk of the tooling limiting getting close the tailstock. I am currently using surplus mini lathe tooling with the post measuring 2.5 x 2.5" with a spacer on the bottom. Thanks in advance for your input. Dan Coleman |
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