Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
??? What kind of tool post are ya using ? That has a effect on
how you grind yer tool bits . Look at the tooling that came with
the lathe & find the bits that ya have gotten the best results
with . Those can be yer models . If you don't have one get a
protractor like this General tool one & look at the angles on
the bits . If those angles work for ya for now now ya have a
target for when ya start grinding bits . If I use my grinder I
have one with a white wheel that gets most of my use for a grinder
. I use my upright belt sander for all my rough grinding & the
white wheel for the final grind before hitting the bit with a
small diamond file . The white wheels run cooler . We kinda need
to know the tool post type before we start tossing angles &
relief out there .
Little machine shop has this page for descriptions of what angle
is what
animal
On 4/19/24 7:39 AM, Lbrewer42 wrote:
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As always everyone here has given great ideas which I really
appreciate!? At present I am Rookie enough I have yet to grind my
first bit.? I bought a used system where the owner had a lot of
them already and so just to get an idea of how the machine
runs/works I have used the ones he already had without touching
them up.? So far so good.? I like to plan way ahead and so the
answers here have been very enlightening and I will definitely be
using the info.
At present I do not plan in getting into any large projects, but
just want to have fun with the lathe.? Maybe someday I will take
up something serious, but for now it is just about some hands on
researching with bits and metals.? I am very cautious having
worked with all manor of woodworking machinery all of my life and
never had an injury from it (60 years old).? And I certainly am
planning to use the same amount of caution and respect for my
venture into metal working machinery so as not ruin that record.
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
Amen, Kevin! I spent 7 years and 3 months taking a course in precision manual machining. It should last 8-9 months if you go full-time, and I started that way, but reinforced my knowledge that I'm no longer a teenager.? :)
That taught me a lot about machining, and provided a pretty good scrap pile, as well. Projects that I messed up for class plus the projects others tossed added to my pile. Plus the instructors encouraged my pack rat behavior...?
Ain't free, but Amazon & eBay can help fill in when you need specific materials, and check for a Metals Supermarket, or similar suppliers in your area. I have a steel yard a mile from my house. Comes in handy now and then. Also a couple miles away is a fastener supply place, and you can buy any kind of screws or bolts you might need, and drops from their screw machines. They will even make custom fasteAnd the local Metals Supermarket is only about 7 miles...?
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 12:13:28 PM CDT, Kevin McEnhill <mcenhillk@...> wrote:
I would at least get a stone to regrind/freshen your bits. A simple big-box-store/chineseium?bench grinder would also be good enough. Learning to cut with dull tools is a recipe for frustration. Yes, there are specific relief?angles to get the best results but even the most inappropriately?ground sharp tool will cut much better than a dull tool with the exact proper relief angles. Get your tool on center and start playing. Start small and light and work your way up. These machines start talking to you when they aren't happy. Part of "learning the lathe" is learning what they are saying to you.
For me, I have to constantly?repeat to myself "Perfection is the enemy of good." The most important thing you could do right now is start cutting. Since you aren't a job shop, you can afford to take your time and learn as you go. You will f*ck up and you will break something. Just don't get hurt doing it and learn from the mistake.
Welcome to the addiction. None of us here have a problem. :-)
Kevin
As always everyone here has given great ideas which I really appreciate!? At present I am Rookie enough I have yet to grind my first bit.? I bought a used system where the owner had a lot of them already and so just to get an idea of how the machine runs/works I have used the ones he already had without touching them up.? So far so good.? I like to plan way ahead and so the answers here have been very enlightening and I will definitely be using the info.
At present I do not plan in getting into any large projects, but just want to have fun with the lathe.? Maybe someday I will take up something serious, but for now it is just about some hands on researching with bits and metals.? I am very cautious having worked with all manor of woodworking machinery all of my life and never had an injury from it (60 years old).? And I certainly am planning to use the same amount of caution and respect for my venture into metal working machinery so as not ruin that record.
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
Lots of misinformation here. Aluminum alloys come in. Many flavors. One can melt down aluminum and add alloying metals to get what one wants. Wrought/extruded Al alloys are not same as cast Al, nor extruded Al alloys.
Aluminum cans are quite amazing stuff, but not good for the purposes suggested.
Die cast is different from simple gravity cast, too.
Most alloys we can find and buy are extrusion or wrought alloys 6063, 6061, 7075 all are different.? T6 and such are NOT alloys, just heat treatment levels. Melt and cast these and you have different numbers.
It’s a big field. I’ve had experiences with some parts of it.
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Cans aren't a good source of Al. I collect lawnmower crankcases er... actually I have way too many. Just a few will give you loads of stock. Also I have a car rim I found while out on a walk. I might even have two. I poured some Al into tin cans and peeled off the can.
Use cast Al, not extruded like cans and window frames. Extruded Al is gummy and a pita to work with. Cast is an alloy with other metals in it that stiffen it.
A good trick is breaking up the cases so they fit in my steel tubing crucible. I have a band saw which helps. Some guys break them up with mauls etc. Also they are greasy and if you have a cement mixer you can fill it full of sand and throw the pieces in and they get cleaned that way. The grease in the melt is smelly when burned and increases the floating scum. But it's all good and fun. Also you can simply pour billets in damp sand, but then you get sand embedded in the billets when they cool if you are not careful (which I'm frequently not).
People leave lawn mowers beside the road etc. One or two will last you a good while. Also be on the lookout for a big sturdy steel canister or bucket for a forge. I have a big one from an old metal shop vac.
I think Al melting is a great pasttime.
On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 10:16:10 AM EDT, Lbrewer42 < lbrewer_42@...> wrote:
Yes, I have a local Tractor supply etc. where I can buy metal. But as with most subjects, I find experienced people have tricks up their sleeve. I just want some stuff to learn to turn with. B/c I am not experienced I am thinking old railroad spikes, making a forge and melting aluminum cans (I know its low grade, but i just want to learn to make chips with different metals), large bolts, etc. But what are some ideas other hobbyists have found for obtaining metal to turn while not cracking open the wallet and shelling out big bucks? I don't even have projects in mind really, just wanting the hands on experience with different metals.
Thanks for any ideas,
Lee
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
Cans aren't a good source of Al. I collect lawnmower crankcases er... actually I have way too many. Just a few will give you loads of stock. Also I have a car rim I found while out on a walk. I might even have two. I poured some Al into tin cans and peeled off the can.
Use cast Al, not extruded like cans and window frames. Extruded Al is gummy and a pita to work with. Cast is an alloy with other metals in it that stiffen it.
A good trick is breaking up the cases so they fit in my steel tubing crucible. I have a band saw which helps. Some guys break them up with mauls etc. Also they are greasy and if you have a cement mixer you can fill it full of sand and throw the pieces in and they get cleaned that way. The grease in the melt is smelly when burned and increases the floating scum. But it's all good and fun. Also you can simply pour billets in damp sand, but then you get sand embedded in the billets when they cool if you are not careful (which I'm frequently not).
People leave lawn mowers beside the road etc. One or two will last you a good while. Also be on the lookout for a big sturdy steel canister or bucket for a forge. I have a big one from an old metal shop vac.
I think Al melting is a great pasttime.
On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 10:16:10 AM EDT, Lbrewer42 <lbrewer_42@...> wrote:
Yes, I have a local Tractor supply etc. where I can buy metal. But as with most subjects, I find experienced people have tricks up their sleeve. I just want some stuff to learn to turn with. B/c I am not experienced I am thinking old railroad spikes, making a forge and melting aluminum cans (I know its low grade, but i just want to learn to make chips with different metals), large bolts, etc. But what are some ideas other hobbyists have found for obtaining metal to turn while not cracking open the wallet and shelling out big bucks? I don't even have projects in mind really, just wanting the hands on experience with different metals.
Thanks for any ideas,
Lee
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
I would at least get a stone to regrind/freshen your bits. A simple big-box-store/chineseium?bench grinder would also be good enough. Learning to cut with dull tools is a recipe for frustration. Yes, there are specific relief?angles to get the best results but even the most inappropriately?ground sharp tool will cut much better than a dull tool with the exact proper relief angles. Get your tool on center and start playing. Start small and light and work your way up. These machines start talking to you when they aren't happy. Part of "learning the lathe" is learning what they are saying to you.
For me, I have to constantly?repeat to myself "Perfection is the enemy of good." The most important thing you could do right now is start cutting. Since you aren't a job shop, you can afford to take your time and learn as you go. You will f*ck up and you will break something. Just don't get hurt doing it and learn from the mistake.
Welcome to the addiction. None of us here have a problem. :-)
Kevin
As always everyone here has given great ideas which I really appreciate!? At present I am Rookie enough I have yet to grind my first bit.? I bought a used system where the owner had a lot of them already and so just to get an idea of how the machine runs/works I have used the ones he already had without touching them up.? So far so good.? I like to plan way ahead and so the answers here have been very enlightening and I will definitely be using the info.
At present I do not plan in getting into any large projects, but just want to have fun with the lathe.? Maybe someday I will take up something serious, but for now it is just about some hands on researching with bits and metals.? I am very cautious having worked with all manor of woodworking machinery all of my life and never had an injury from it (60 years old).? And I certainly am planning to use the same amount of caution and respect for my venture into metal working machinery so as not ruin that record.
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
You might want to look into a class at a local community college.? I am in NY and if you are 60 or over you can audit (no credit) classes in state colleges and community colleges for free.? I am doing that now at Monroe Community College in Rochester NY.? The rest of the class is younger people picking up work skills.? Because I am there to get skills for my home shop they are tailoring the projects more to building tooling for my shop.? The instructors are a couple guys that were in the industry and really know their stuff and how to communicate it.? Check to see if your local college has a similar program.? It is call senior citizen audit here.
Dave
As always everyone here has given great ideas which I really appreciate!? At present I am Rookie enough I have yet to grind my first bit.? I bought a used system where the owner had a lot of them already and so just to get an idea of how the machine runs/works I have used the ones he already had without touching them up.? So far so good.? I like to plan way ahead and so the answers here have been very enlightening and I will definitely be using the info.
At present I do not plan in getting into any large projects, but just want to have fun with the lathe.? Maybe someday I will take up something serious, but for now it is just about some hands on researching with bits and metals.? I am very cautious having worked with all manor of woodworking machinery all of my life and never had an injury from it (60 years old).? And I certainly am planning to use the same amount of caution and respect for my venture into metal working machinery so as not ruin that record.
?
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
As always everyone here has given great ideas which I really appreciate!? At present I am Rookie enough I have yet to grind my first bit.? I bought a used system where the owner had a lot of them already and so just to get an idea of how the machine runs/works I have used the ones he already had without touching them up.? So far so good.? I like to plan way ahead and so the answers here have been very enlightening and I will definitely be using the info.
At present I do not plan in getting into any large projects, but just want to have fun with the lathe.? Maybe someday I will take up something serious, but for now it is just about some hands on researching with bits and metals.? I am very cautious having worked with all manor of woodworking machinery all of my life and never had an injury from it (60 years old).? And I certainly am planning to use the same amount of caution and respect for my venture into metal working machinery so as not ruin that record.
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Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
Also, here:
I have purchased from them.? They are good.
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As others have said, eBay and McMaster-Carr.? The material cost is small considering the many hours of machining that goes into a project. And I can usually find exactly what I want with little waste.?
I keep my eye on estate auctions and occasionally find metal stock, but bidders are willing to pay a lot - even past new market value sometimes. I have tried my local welding shop for drops.? They want $100 for me to just walk in their door.
It is good to have some small stock on hand - assorted 6061 and 12L14 rounds, assorted drill rod, etc.? But for the larger stuff I buy only what I need for a project. I don't want to accumulate stuff that I will probably never use.?
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Re: Atlas Lathe Parts For Sale. 4 Jaw chuck VME chuck, like new used once, $125 plus shipping. Contact R Eggleston 417-840-6258 CTZ.
I assume that it is 1 1/2" x 8 thread, suitable for mounting on an Atlas 10" lathe, and that the key is with it.
Please? advise the cost of shipping to Manchester, Maine via U.S. Post or FedX (my experience with UPS has been absolutely terrible - the last delivery consisted of the container and paperwork - with them taking no responsibility for the loss of the contents).
Please advise shipping and if payment by check is O.K. (you will be withholding shipment until the check clears your bank).
God bless you all and best regards, Roger Francis Karl Manchester, Maine
On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 08:50:51 AM EDT, Robert Eggleston <egglestonrobert8@...> wrote:
Capacaty of chuck is 6 inches. ? Sent from for Windows ?
From: Robert Eggleston via groups.ioSent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 6:37 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Atlas Lathe Parts For Sale. 4 Jaw chuck VME chuck, like new used once, $125 plus shipping. Contact R Eggleston 417-840-6258 CTZ. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Roger F. R. Karl via groups.io <RFKARL@...>
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Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Atlas Lathe Parts For Sale. 4 Jaw chuck VME chuck, like new used once, $125 plus shipping. Contact R Eggleston 417-840-6258 CTZ. What is the capacity of the chuck? God bless you all and best regards On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 10:28:52 AM EDT, Robert Eggleston <egglestonrobert8@...> wrote:
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Re: Atlas Lathe Parts For Sale. 4 Jaw chuck VME chuck, like new used once, $125 plus shipping. Contact R Eggleston 417-840-6258 CTZ.
Capacaty of chuck is 6 inches. ? Sent from for Windows ?
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From: Robert Eggleston via groups.ioSent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 6:37 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Atlas Lathe Parts For Sale. 4 Jaw chuck VME chuck, like new used once, $125 plus shipping. Contact R Eggleston 417-840-6258 CTZ. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Roger F. R. Karl via groups.io <RFKARL@...>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 12:38 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Atlas Lathe Parts For Sale. 4 Jaw chuck VME chuck, like new used once, $125 plus shipping. Contact R Eggleston 417-840-6258 CTZ. What is the capacity of the chuck? God bless you all and best regards On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 10:28:52 AM EDT, Robert Eggleston <egglestonrobert8@...> wrote:
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Re: Atlas Lathe Parts for Sale Drawbar Collett set with 7 colletts from 1/32 to3/8 inch, excellent condition--$199 plus shipping.
Hi Robert,
Wondering if this a lever-operated collet closer or the more common handwheel style? I'm trying to find a lever type for one of my Atlas 10's.
A couple of photos would be great.
Thanks!
God bless you,
Dave Harnish
DavesRepair.com
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Re: Atlas Lathe Parts For Sale. 4 Jaw chuck VME chuck, like new used once, $125 plus shipping. Contact R Eggleston 417-840-6258 CTZ.
Any chance you could post a picture of this chuck?
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Re: Atlas Lathe Parts for Sale Drawbar Collett set with 7 colletts from 1/32 to3/8 inch, excellent condition--$199 plus shipping.
fits most 10 and 12 inch atlas/sears lathes
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Subject:?Atlas Lathe Parts for Sale Drawbar Collett set with 7 colletts from 1/32 to3/8 inch, excellent condition--$199 plus shipping.
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Roger F. R. Karl via groups.io <RFKARL@...>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 12:38 PM
To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Atlas Lathe Parts For Sale. 4 Jaw chuck VME chuck, like new used once, $125 plus shipping. Contact R Eggleston 417-840-6258 CTZ.
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What is the capacity of the chuck?
God bless you all and best regards
Roger Francis Karl
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Re: Assemble & Make Function OR Part Out?
On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 07:57 PM, mike allen wrote:
SO looks/sounds? like yer missing the banjo ? I see some @ 25 & up on ebay , there may even bee a print for one in the files section . Is this lathe a 618 lathe ?
animal
On 3/31/24 7:48 PM, Payson wrote:
Hi everyone,
I have replied to others posts but never(?) posted a project of my own. I accumulated a Craftsman 6" a few years ago. Not running, and missing some parts. I disassembled much of it, but not until now did i have bench space for it. I thought i would get it running and find an aspiring chip maker to bestow it on - maybe! i have a 10K at home, and access to anything else I need at work.
At first look, It's missing the gear case assembly, counter shaft drive pulley, and the motor pulley. I think someone may have run it direct from a motor, which I will have to source eventually. I'm not planning to restore it, just make it run.?
Wadda you think?
Payson
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I have the banjo.?It's missing the gear case assembly that connects to the apron hand wheel, counter shaft drive pulley, and the motor pulley
Payson.?
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Re: Assemble & Make Function OR Part Out?
SO looks/sounds? like yer missing the banjo ? I see some @ 25
& up on ebay , there may even bee a print for one in the files
section . Is this lathe a 618 lathe ?
animal
On 3/31/24 7:48 PM, Payson wrote:
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Hi everyone,
I have replied to others posts but never(?) posted a project of my
own. I accumulated a Craftsman 6" a few years ago. Not running,
and missing some parts. I disassembled much of it, but not until
now did i have bench space for it. I thought i would get it
running and find an aspiring chip maker to bestow it on - maybe! i
have a 10K at home, and access to anything else I need at work.
At first look, It's missing the gear case assembly, counter shaft
drive pulley, and the motor pulley. I think someone may have run
it direct from a motor, which I will have to source eventually.
I'm not planning to restore it, just make it run.?
Wadda you think?
Payson
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Assemble & Make Function OR Part Out?
Hi everyone,
I have replied to others posts but never(?) posted a project of my own. I accumulated a Craftsman 6" a few years ago. Not running, and missing some parts. I disassembled much of it, but not until now did i have bench space for it. I thought i would get it running and find an aspiring chip maker to bestow it on - maybe! i have a 10K at home, and access to anything else I need at work.
At first look, It's missing the gear case assembly, counter shaft drive pulley, and the motor pulley. I think someone may have run it direct from a motor, which I will have to source eventually. I'm not planning to restore it, just make it run.?
Wadda you think?
Payson
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Facebook marketplace offers, no connection to me
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/7337904256317216/
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Re: Atlas 10 TV36 4 step Drive Pulley
Steve,
I had a look at your webpage and instagram. Beautiful work. I especially like those gates shown on your page, and the prize winning scale on insta. Bravo, Bryan
Hey Mike
Didn't even cross my mind that a work around could be single pulleys of the required sizes just screwed together.
I'll take a look at the YT link as well.?
Genius, thank you!
Steve
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Bill in OKC too
Lbrewer42
Jon M
Roger F. R. Karl
Payson