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Bare feet..... or a powerful magnet.

On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Ralph Hulslander <rhulslander@...> wrote:

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Lost item, I used to ask my wife to look, she could spot things I never could find.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:34 AM Bill in OKC too via <wmrmeyers=[email protected]> wrote:

I've very seldom had #1 or 2 work, so I usually default to #3. That will often work even if the floor is in really bad shape. As mine often is. Brighter flashlight does really help. Something that throws a distinct beam. Or maybe that's just my eyes.

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:00:31 PM CDT, Bruce Freeman <freemab222@...> wrote:

I discovered a few trick years ago that has repeatedly helped me find? dropped objects.

1. Watch it fall, if possible.? Things often bounce oddly and if you keep your eye on it, you might see where it bounces.
2. Failing No. 1, if it's something not too dear and you have more of the same, drop another and watch where that one goes.? It's amazing how often identical items bounce the same direction.
3. When neither No. 1 nor No. 2 apply, dim the lights, get down on the floor, and shine a flashlight at floor level in various directions.? Small thing will thus cast large shadows.? Often works well.? Really shows you how much you needed to sweep the shop...
   

Bruce
NJ

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 8:35 PM Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:

?I lost my set screw on the threaded collar at the back of the lathe spindle.? I saw it fall and cant find it anywhere.

-Jody

Bruce - Those are good tips. I've used that flashlight trick before; sometimes it even works from a standing position if you use a flashlight with a concentrated beam - it acts like a spotlight tofocus your attention and highlight small objects.

Here's two more tips:

1. Take an object identical to the dropped object and place it on the floor. For example,if you dropped a screw, place an identical screw on the floor. This tells you what the dropped object is going to look like when you search for it and helps you do mental "pattern matching."

2. Go ahead and sweep the floor! The collect all of the sweepings in a dustpan and look for your dropped item. You get a swept floor as a bonus, and maybe find a couple other things you dropped a while back. Sometimes if I drop a common object like a nut or screw, if I don't spot it immediately I don't even bother to look for it. I just grab another one from the part drawer, knowing I'll find it on the next sweep-up.

One last trick: Dropped objects always seem to bounce under the workbench. I installed "kickboards" on the bottom front of my workbenches to keep that from happening (make them easy to remove, because somehow stuff seems to get under there anyway!).

On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:

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That is true. Good tools, that fit your hands and are comfortable to use, do make things easier. Cooking, machining, sewing, woodworking, whatever. I was seriously looking at turning my dad's Craftsman drill press into something resembling a lathe when I got the HF 7x10. Took a while to learn enough to justify even that, but made it easy to drop the $850 for my Atlas TH42 when I finally found one. Sometimes you gotta make do with what you have, but the right tools can make a chore a pleasure.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:36:49 PM CDT, perry7122 <perry7122@...> wrote:

My wife is into crafts but not tools. She was dissappointed when,I gave her a pair of good side cutters until she used them a while and compaired the results to the craft store/ Walmart cutters she had been buying. Appreciation some times comes slowly.

Sent from my Boost Mobile Phone.

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From: Charles <xlch58@...>

Date: 4/21/20 7:18 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 618 milling attachment jaw plates

Young stupid me bought my young bride a tiller for Christmas nearly thirty years ago. ? Some lessons last.

Charles

On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Jeff Chadima <jeff.chadima@...> wrote:

?Denny - I think you just hinted at why you are single.? I once gave my new bride a garment bag for traveling as a gift (bday or Christmas - don't recall).? I have been reminded a few times that she remembers that gift.? Fortunately she limits how often it is mentioned - at least I was wise enough to never consider a broom or vacuum cleaner.

On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Bruce Freeman <freemab222@...> wrote:

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I discovered a few trick years ago that has repeatedly helped me find? dropped objects.

1. Watch it fall, if possible.? Things often bounce oddly and if you keep your eye on it, you might see where it bounces.
2. Failing No. 1, if it's something not too dear and you have more of the same, drop another and watch where that one goes.? It's amazing how often identical items bounce the same direction.
3. When neither No. 1 nor No. 2 apply, dim the lights, get down on the floor, and shine a flashlight at floor level in various directions.? Small thing will thus cast large shadows.? Often works well.? Really shows you how much you needed to sweep the shop...
   

Bruce
NJ

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 8:35 PM Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:

?I lost my set screw on the threaded collar at the back of the lathe spindle.? I saw it fall and cant find it anywhere.

-Jody

So if this is what a vintage machine enthusiast life is like maybe I should reconsider my goals.?

On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:58 PM, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

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??? ??? ok let me help ya out , just send that horizontal mill over to my place , no charge , I'll take it off yer hands for free

??? ??? animal

On 4/21/2020 6:53 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io wrote:

We don't even HAVE a kitchen table right now. And if we did, there'd be no place to put it, as our kitchen is a pit. It's more like a hallway to the back door. There is what we used to call a dining room, around the corner, but the refrigerator and the shelves we use as a pantry, some cabinets that have the pots, pans, dishes, and some food, and her sewing area use up all of that space and then some. I keep getting these letters telling me some idiot wants to pay cash for my house. One of these days I may just call one of them and see what they're offering. There are only three of us eating here, these days, so it's not as bad as when the girls were here, but this place is too small for us and our junk. I'm trying to trim some of my junk, so I can fit it in the space I have.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:26:38 PM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

??? ??? I have a mig welder all apart on the kitchen table right now . there's room to eat in front of the tv

??? ??? animal

On 4/21/2020 5:15 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io wrote:

SWMBO tolerates my hobbies because I also use them to fix thing she needs fixed. Also, I equate her kitchen (cooking is her major hobby) as her workshop, and try not to stint her on the things she needs for it. The first Damascus bladed knives in the house were for her kitchen, for example. She has a new range that's being delivered Friday, and as soon as I can figure out exactly what we need, she's getting a new counter top mounted about 6"-8" lower than the current one.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 06:48:31 PM CDT, ebrucehunter via groups.io <brucekareen@...> wrote:

A wise aunt once remarked to me, "One should choose hobbies that bring others enjoyment."? I'm not sure where that leaves us.

Bruce

Puerto Rico is a lot of fun as a tourist. No idea how it is as a resident. Beach, dance, drink, repeat probably gets old after a few years.

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:10:50 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 618 milling attachment jaw plates

?

Nope. NOT HAPPENING!!! Can't blame a guy for trying, but I'll put it in the bathroom if nothing else works. My wife was trying to persuade me to move to Puerto Rico a while back so my retirement pay would stretch farther. Then she said "Of course we'll have to sell your tool..." didn't get to finish the sentence. I told her if we do that, the tools are the first thing to get packed. Told her we could throw away every bit of furniture we had, and not miss it. The tools would likely be impossible to replace. And if I don't have them, I don't have any reason to be anymore. What I do, for fun and profit, is fix stuff & make stuff. Since then she's been aiding and abetting me. Heck, she made the deal to buy my SB Heavy 10L restoration project. So I owe her a bit more in the kitchen department, among other places. I did buy her a $4K bed. Though it would really be easier to move to someplace with a proper shop building and decent kitchen space. For both of us.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:58:32 PM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

??? ??? ok let me help ya out , just send that horizontal mill over to my place , no charge , I'll take it off yer hands for free

??? ??? animal

On 4/21/2020 6:53 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io wrote:

We don't even HAVE a kitchen table right now. And if we did, there'd be no place to put it, as our kitchen is a pit. It's more like a hallway to the back door. There is what we used to call a dining room, around the corner, but the refrigerator and the shelves we use as a pantry, some cabinets that have the pots, pans, dishes, and some food, and her sewing area use up all of that space and then some. I keep getting these letters telling me some idiot wants to pay cash for my house. One of these days I may just call one of them and see what they're offering. There are only three of us eating here, these days, so it's not as bad as when the girls were here, but this place is too small for us and our junk. I'm trying to trim some of my junk, so I can fit it in the space I have.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:26:38 PM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

??? ??? I have a mig welder all apart on the kitchen table right now . there's room to eat in front of the tv

??? ??? animal

On 4/21/2020 5:15 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io wrote:

SWMBO tolerates my hobbies because I also use them to fix thing she needs fixed. Also, I equate her kitchen (cooking is her major hobby) as her workshop, and try not to stint her on the things she needs for it. The first Damascus bladed knives in the house were for her kitchen, for example. She has a new range that's being delivered Friday, and as soon as I can figure out exactly what we need, she's getting a new counter top mounted about 6"-8" lower than the current one.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 06:48:31 PM CDT, ebrucehunter via groups.io <brucekareen@...> wrote:

A wise aunt once remarked to me, "One should choose hobbies that bring others enjoyment."? I'm not sure where that leaves us.

Bruce

On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:58 PM, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

?

??? ??? ok let me help ya out , just send that horizontal mill over to my place , no charge , I'll take it off yer hands for free

??? ??? animal

On 4/21/2020 6:53 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io wrote:

We don't even HAVE a kitchen table right now. And if we did, there'd be no place to put it, as our kitchen is a pit. It's more like a hallway to the back door. There is what we used to call a dining room, around the corner, but the refrigerator and the shelves we use as a pantry, some cabinets that have the pots, pans, dishes, and some food, and her sewing area use up all of that space and then some. I keep getting these letters telling me some idiot wants to pay cash for my house. One of these days I may just call one of them and see what they're offering. There are only three of us eating here, these days, so it's not as bad as when the girls were here, but this place is too small for us and our junk. I'm trying to trim some of my junk, so I can fit it in the space I have.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:26:38 PM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

??? ??? I have a mig welder all apart on the kitchen table right now . there's room to eat in front of the tv

??? ??? animal

On 4/21/2020 5:15 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io wrote:

SWMBO tolerates my hobbies because I also use them to fix thing she needs fixed. Also, I equate her kitchen (cooking is her major hobby) as her workshop, and try not to stint her on the things she needs for it. The first Damascus bladed knives in the house were for her kitchen, for example. She has a new range that's being delivered Friday, and as soon as I can figure out exactly what we need, she's getting a new counter top mounted about 6"-8" lower than the current one.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 06:48:31 PM CDT, ebrucehunter via groups.io <brucekareen@...> wrote:

A wise aunt once remarked to me, "One should choose hobbies that bring others enjoyment."? I'm not sure where that leaves us.

Bruce

We don't even HAVE a kitchen table right now. And if we did, there'd be no place to put it, as our kitchen is a pit. It's more like a hallway to the back door. There is what we used to call a dining room, around the corner, but the refrigerator and the shelves we use as a pantry, some cabinets that have the pots, pans, dishes, and some food, and her sewing area use up all of that space and then some. I keep getting these letters telling me some idiot wants to pay cash for my house. One of these days I may just call one of them and see what they're offering. There are only three of us eating here, these days, so it's not as bad as when the girls were here, but this place is too small for us and our junk. I'm trying to trim some of my junk, so I can fit it in the space I have.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:26:38 PM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

??? ??? I have a mig welder all apart on the kitchen table right now . there's room to eat in front of the tv

??? ??? animal

On 4/21/2020 5:15 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io wrote:

SWMBO tolerates my hobbies because I also use them to fix thing she needs fixed. Also, I equate her kitchen (cooking is her major hobby) as her workshop, and try not to stint her on the things she needs for it. The first Damascus bladed knives in the house were for her kitchen, for example. She has a new range that's being delivered Friday, and as soon as I can figure out exactly what we need, she's getting a new counter top mounted about 6"-8" lower than the current one.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 06:48:31 PM CDT, ebrucehunter via groups.io <brucekareen@...> wrote:

A wise aunt once remarked to me, "One should choose hobbies that bring others enjoyment."? I'm not sure where that leaves us.

Bruce