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Re: history of my lathe

 

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At least 30,000 Harleys were sent over & I believe the bulk of those ended up in Russia . There's a company in the Netherlands? ( I think that's where it is? ) that is still selling OEM HArley parts . Here's the whole story from Wikipedia's eyes , interestin read .

On 11/22/24 7:25 AM, Mike Poore via groups.io wrote:

I recall lend/lease was already well underway by spring of 1941. We entered the war by the end of 1941. Lend/lease began, I think, in the late 30's when the UK entered the war. By 1942, we were sending massive amounts of equipment and soldiers to the UK to stage for invasion. A lathe made in spring of 1941, would have taken several months to find its way to the UK by ship. Assuming the bearing date is meaningful, I think it is equally possible that the lathe was part of lend/lease or part of the US Army supply chain. We are known to leave a lot of equipment behind after a war so that our military contractors can make more profit resupplying us.

Bearing dates during that period are probably not as certain of an indicator as one might think. It was obviously? a little chaotic. Those bearings may not have been immediately used. They could be replacement bearings too. Atlas would not have been directly involved in lend/lease, but they were certainly a supplier. The US government would buy products from manufacturers and lend/lease it to the UK. You will often find a tag on machine tools made for the War Dept with some language indicating such. I do not know if that was required or done because the machinery was not always made to the same standards as commercial products. I doubt too many people were actually making parts at home for the war. However, nearly everything was rationed due to shortages. Having a lathe at home to make or repair parts not available would make sense.

On 11/21/2024 2:41 AM, hedgesben via groups.io wrote:
It would be interesting to try and find out the history of my lathe and how it came to be in the uk.? It appears that it was made end of april /beginning of may 1941 (going by the dates on the headstock bearings) so right when America was ramping up the lease lend program during ww2.
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Was atlas involved in the lease lend?? where lathes sent to the uk?
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of course the slightly less historical important theory is that an american solder bought it before the americans went to war and then relocated over here after the war sometime
?
many thanks
Coop


Re: history of my lathe

 

Well, there is this account...
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-Wally
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Re: history of my lathe

 

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The Myford M7-7 was not introduced until 1947 so England.?

I think that is an interesting data point in this discussion

Steve



On Nov 22, 2024, at 7:25?AM, Mike Poore via groups.io <mpoore10@...> wrote:

? I recall lend/lease was already well underway by spring of 1941. We entered the war by the end of 1941. Lend/lease began, I think, in the late 30's when the UK entered the war. By 1942, we were sending massive amounts of equipment and soldiers to the UK to stage for invasion. A lathe made in spring of 1941, would have taken several months to find its way to the UK by ship. Assuming the bearing date is meaningful, I think it is equally possible that the lathe was part of lend/lease or part of the US Army supply chain. We are known to leave a lot of equipment behind after a war so that our military contractors can make more profit resupplying us.

Bearing dates during that period are probably not as certain of an indicator as one might think. It was obviously? a little chaotic. Those bearings may not have been immediately used. They could be replacement bearings too. Atlas would not have been directly involved in lend/lease, but they were certainly a supplier. The US government would buy products from manufacturers and lend/lease it to the UK. You will often find a tag on machine tools made for the War Dept with some language indicating such. I do not know if that was required or done because the machinery was not always made to the same standards as commercial products. I doubt too many people were actually making parts at home for the war. However, nearly everything was rationed due to shortages. Having a lathe at home to make or repair parts not available would make sense.

On 11/21/2024 2:41 AM, hedgesben via groups.io wrote:
It would be interesting to try and find out the history of my lathe and how it came to be in the uk.? It appears that it was made end of april /beginning of may 1941 (going by the dates on the headstock bearings) so right when America was ramping up the lease lend program during ww2.
?
Was atlas involved in the lease lend?? where lathes sent to the uk?
?
of course the slightly less historical important theory is that an american solder bought it before the americans went to war and then relocated over here after the war sometime
?
many thanks
Coop


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I recall lend/lease was already well underway by spring of 1941. We entered the war by the end of 1941. Lend/lease began, I think, in the late 30's when the UK entered the war. By 1942, we were sending massive amounts of equipment and soldiers to the UK to stage for invasion. A lathe made in spring of 1941, would have taken several months to find its way to the UK by ship. Assuming the bearing date is meaningful, I think it is equally possible that the lathe was part of lend/lease or part of the US Army supply chain. We are known to leave a lot of equipment behind after a war so that our military contractors can make more profit resupplying us.

Bearing dates during that period are probably not as certain of an indicator as one might think. It was obviously? a little chaotic. Those bearings may not have been immediately used. They could be replacement bearings too. Atlas would not have been directly involved in lend/lease, but they were certainly a supplier. The US government would buy products from manufacturers and lend/lease it to the UK. You will often find a tag on machine tools made for the War Dept with some language indicating such. I do not know if that was required or done because the machinery was not always made to the same standards as commercial products. I doubt too many people were actually making parts at home for the war. However, nearly everything was rationed due to shortages. Having a lathe at home to make or repair parts not available would make sense.

On 11/21/2024 2:41 AM, hedgesben via groups.io wrote:

It would be interesting to try and find out the history of my lathe and how it came to be in the uk.? It appears that it was made end of april /beginning of may 1941 (going by the dates on the headstock bearings) so right when America was ramping up the lease lend program during ww2.
?
Was atlas involved in the lease lend?? where lathes sent to the uk?
?
of course the slightly less historical important theory is that an american solder bought it before the americans went to war and then relocated over here after the war sometime
?
many thanks
Coop


Re: todays silly question.

 

The knob is pinned to the shaftand will freewheel when not engaged.
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todays silly question.

 

im trying to line up the gear on the cross feed screw with the power feed mechanism in the apron. ? The knob you pull out to engage power feed for the cross feed should the knob turn regardless of its position (engaged/disengaged)


Re: history of my lathe

 

Here's a link to an interest ca. 1942 article about innovative uses of small machine tools in the war effort in the United States. I suspect the same motivations were in play in the U.K.??
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Larry F.
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Re: history of my lathe

 

Atlas lathes (and their other machine tools) were promoted during WW-II for defense production. ?Simple parts, in a home workshop, let folks contribute to the War Effort and make some money too. ?In some of their period literature they mention exactly these uses. ?And given that the needs for EVERYTHING were so great, the fact that Atlas continued producing much of their product line throughout the war indicates that the government believed that the Atlas machines added value.
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"In January 1942, the newly created War Production Board assumed responsibility for directing war procurement and production and establishing priorities for military and civilian use of materials and supplies." from
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As to the specifics of how YOUR lathe came to the UK? ?It is all conjecture, but we know from Tony's site that Atlas machinery did make it to the UK.
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Charlie


Re: history of my lathe

 

The best historical resource I know of is ?
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Raymond
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history of my lathe

 

It would be interesting to try and find out the history of my lathe and how it came to be in the uk.? It appears that it was made end of april /beginning of may 1941 (going by the dates on the headstock bearings) so right when America was ramping up the lease lend program during ww2.
?
Was atlas involved in the lease lend?? where lathes sent to the uk?
?
of course the slightly less historical important theory is that an american solder bought it before the americans went to war and then relocated over here after the war sometime
?
many thanks
Coop


Re: Used Equipment & Tools in MA.

 

I noticed that error yesterday but a lot of the important basic information, missing from the initial post, is available to the group now.? That's the important thing.

On Tuesday, November 19, 2024 at 09:36:50 AM EST, Payson wrote:

It's ARISTON.


Re: Used Equipment & Tools in MA.

 

It's ARISTON.
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PG


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its a shame its all going to the scrap man.? Isnt there some second hand tool dealer in the area that might be interested in it


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WOW! I live 40 minutes from Woburn. But alas, right now I have no cash.
"If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all." (from "Born Under a Bad Sign" written by William Bell and Booker T Jones, recorded by Albert King, 1967)
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Raymond


Re: Used Equipment & Tools in MA.

 

These are all the pictures Payson took today at Aniston in Woburn of just some of the stuff for sale.






















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I made some phone calls:? One to Payson and two to Aniston.? Rick at Aniston I got to speak to the first time but not the second time.? He might call me back Tuesday.? Payson is too busy to post any more info at the time to A-C, including a few lathe pictures he took.

Here is the company name and address:

Aniston Engraving
56 Dragon Court
Woburn, MA 01801

The Aniston website gives no clue Aniston may be changing hands, or going out of business, or all accounts going to another engraving company.

According to Aniston, everything goes to a scrap dealer this WEDNESDAY.? I wanted to ask Aniston about the Bridgeport and the lathe but that was on the second call.? Both calls were short, esp. to Payson.? Aniston has at least one rotary table for sale.? And other stuff.

My impression is maybe best to show up, don't call.? Even showing up might not let you see anything.? I hope it would not happen that way, but I wouldn't be shocked.

Hank
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On Monday, November 18, 2024 at 02:26:14 PM EST, Andrei wrote:


I could use a few items, not machines, though.?

Do you have a list to pick trhough?


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I do not. ill try to post a few pics later. This came up real fast, like a few hours ago.
Payson.


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I could use a few items, not machines, though.?

Do you have a list to pick trhough?


Best Regards,
Andrei

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jim F via groups.io <lacityjim2@...>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 2:24 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Used Equipment & Tools in MA.
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Hopefully someone can join you and help out. I’m on the north west coast but I would love to be there.?
Good luck to all.?

On Nov 18, 2024, at 11:14?AM, Payson via groups.io <egreene104@...> wrote:

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Hi everyone,
A machine engraving company next door is liquidating, but time is short. i just went over to visit and the scrap man is coming this week. It's in Woburn MA. Lots of milling machine vises and other stuff. Inspection tables and tools. A Bridgeport and a Sunmax lathe. Anyone around this part of the country?
You can call me at 1-617-797-9930. Just trying to help a nice guy, and save some good iron:)
Payson.


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Hopefully someone can join you and help out. I’m on the north west coast but I would love to be there.?
Good luck to all.?

On Nov 18, 2024, at 11:14?AM, Payson via groups.io <egreene104@...> wrote:

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Hi everyone,
A machine engraving company next door is liquidating, but time is short. i just went over to visit and the scrap man is coming this week. It's in Woburn MA. Lots of milling machine vises and other stuff. Inspection tables and tools. A Bridgeport and a Sunmax lathe. Anyone around this part of the country?
You can call me at 1-617-797-9930. Just trying to help a nice guy, and save some good iron:)
Payson.


Used Equipment & Tools in MA.

 

Hi everyone,
A machine engraving company next door is liquidating, but time is short. i just went over to visit and the scrap man is coming this week. It's in Woburn MA. Lots of milling machine vises and other stuff. Inspection tables and tools. A Bridgeport and a Sunmax lathe. Anyone around this part of the country?
You can call me at 1-617-797-9930. Just trying to help a nice guy, and save some good iron:)
Payson.