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Re: Hello. New Owner of Old Atlas Mill

 

I've got one that I received in a box & 57 baggies over a decade ago. It's been almost together for most of that time, too. It will be a good machine someday. I hope. Yours will need more work than mine, because of the rust, but I believe it will be worth your time and trouble. Mine keeps getting shoved to the back of the todo list because fecal matter is a naturally occurring substance. :)

Try not to let yourself get as badly sidetracked as I do...

Bill in OKC?

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.?
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
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The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better.
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.



On Thursday, October 24, 2024 at 02:20:17 AM CDT, Conjada <cliff@...> wrote:


Hi,

My name is Cliff and I was gifted an Atlas MF Mill. I’m still trying to learn more about the mill and because it’s missing a LOT of parts and others are broken, I’m trying to figure out if it can be made useable without spending a fortune. I’d like to end up with a “nice” mill, but i’m more interested in function than form. I have no interest in selling it. i want to use it.



This is it, as received. I’m kind of happy a few parts were missing after lifting it into my truck bed…lol

Hello. New Owner of Old Atlas Mill

 

?Hi,

My name is Cliff and I was gifted an Atlas MF Mill. I’m still trying to learn more about the mill and because it’s missing a LOT of parts and others are broken, I’m trying to figure out if it can be made useable without spending a fortune. I’d like to end up with a “nice” mill, but i’m more interested in function than form. I have no interest in selling it. i want to use it.



This is it, as received. I’m kind of happy a few parts were missing after lifting it into my truck bed…lol
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

No. Not even close. :)

Bill in OKC?

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.?
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better.
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.



On Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 12:46:13 PM CDT, hedgesben@... <hedgesben@...> wrote:


possibly a silly question but do the tool holders for an oxa for example fit and axa and so on
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

OXA fits the 7" Mini-lathes. It's not in the apparent sequence you'd expect. It might be more correctly be a 0XA, or zeroXA.

I put one on my HF 7x10, but then traded the 7x10 for a couple of Unimats, and never tried it out.?

Bill in OKC?

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.?
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better.
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.



On Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 11:06:37 AM CDT, DEEJ via groups.io <dgjohnsonstein@...> wrote:


The first letter in each of these designations refers to a size.? For instance, AXA is (as far as I know) the smallest of these style.? Your tool post has to be the right size for the tool holder to to fit on it.? The next larger size is BXA, and then CXA.? The CXA is usually put on quite large lathes.? I thimpfk I have heard of DXA too, but not sure.? Don't know the sizeof OXA.
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

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Pretty slick , how's the repeatability ?

thanks for sharing

animal

On 10/23/24 11:40 AM, Ken H wrote:

I tried this as an experiment just to see if it was a possible way to make tool holders with less machining and it does in fact work. I just welded two rods to a piece of heavy steel in place of the dove tails. While this does work, the time and material cost is about = to the cost of buying the holders (@ $ 15.00 at that time). On the other hand if you have the scrap and just love to work in your shop as opposed to spending money, this is a viable alternative method. And as is the case in a lot of machining building a jig/temporary tool is a required step to making a better tool to then complete a project.

--
Ken H in AZ

Knowledge is like manure, it won't do any good unless you spread it around.

Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

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No . The larger ya go on the tool post the meatier the tool holder is with a larger slot . One of my buds runs a one man shop I think he had 6 or 7 lathes & the big one the tool post is massive , pretty sure it's larger thatn a pint of milk . When he puts one of his large drill bits like 2" & up or a 1 1/2 -2" boring bar in the Mt or boring bar tool holder?? , it's a 2 handed operation if ya can to get it mounted on the tool post . He has a shop crane for the heavy things or for when he gets lazy .

animal

On 10/23/24 10:46 AM, hedgesben@... wrote:

possibly a silly question but do the tool holders for an oxa for example fit and axa and so on
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

I tried this as an experiment just to see if it was a possible way to make tool holders with less machining and it does in fact work. I just welded two rods to a piece of heavy steel in place of the dove tails. While this does work, the time and material cost is about = to the cost of buying the holders (@ $ 15.00 at that time). On the other hand if you have the scrap and just love to work in your shop as opposed to spending money, this is a viable alternative method. And as is the case in a lot of machining building a jig/temporary tool is a required step to making a better tool to then complete a project.

--
Ken H in AZ

Knowledge is like manure, it won't do any good unless you spread it around.
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

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I wasn't trying to slam ya , just stating a fact . probably 70 % maybe more have been at the beginning where ya are . & there's pretty much 3 results , no tool post , buy one , build one . I'll add this .

??? I have a Aloras style wedge tool post on my South Bend? 9Alathe . Its a AXA size? . I bought it either from CDCo tools or CME tools . Had I known about the Multifix style tool post made by Create tool at the time there would be one of those sitting on my lathe .

??? ? 134.99 theirs now comes with 7 too holders instead of the 5 tool holders when I bought mine

at $ 198.00 with 5 tool holders

??? ? $ 190.00 with 4 tool holders . If ya hit more at the boom of the pic it takes ya to a drawing with measurements .

??? like Andre mentioned extra tool holders are pretty darn cheap on the big A or ebay .

??? Like most things from China if ya buy one from there it's a very very good idea to dissemble the unit & remove the manufacturing smeg , especially if ya buy a chuck . which by the way the Sanou's are very nice chucks . Your probably gonna want to re-clock the handle anyways . & all 3 above I mentioned come with a blank piece of flat stock so ya can make it fit yer compound .

??? The Multifix style gives ya 30 something positions ya can put the tool holder in without having to loosen the top bolt like on the Aloras style ..

??? Did ya by chance check out the bottom of yer 4 way post to see if it had the position holes & is just missing the spring & detent ball ?

animal

On 10/23/24 3:19 AM, Lbrewer42 via groups.io wrote:

Admittedly my post was made hoping to be able to cut out time sorting through tons of useless data/links to find a succinct but complete source.? I hate wasting time at the numerous links typically shown that end up existing to get money from the adverts on their pages and do very little to inform.
?
For 2 decades I have been doing a lot of online research and have seen how this scenario, sadly, is becoming the norm.
?
I appreciate your taking the time to reply and give the info you did.? Thank you :)
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

possibly a silly question but do the tool holders for an oxa for example fit and axa and so on
Re: Acessories for sale

 

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Please send any list or a link or any way for me to see what you’ve got for sale.

Thanks
Jim Irwin

2204 Wheaton Trail
Cedar Park, TX 78613
512-294-6331






On Oct 21, 2024, at 5:59 PM, neafus via <dogbreath312@...> wrote:

Just checking, i have accessories left over from selling my lathe. My question is can i list them here for sale instead of Ebay? I saw the for sale forum and the last thing listed was in 2018. I just don’t want to ?cause problems.?
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

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OXA is the smallest being able to work with lathes up to 8"

AXA is for 9 to 12" lathes, and so on?

Get

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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2024 12:06:28 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] atlas 10" quick change tool post
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The first letter in each of these designations refers to a size.? For instance, AXA is (as far as I know) the smallest of these style.? Your tool post has to be the right size for the tool holder to to fit on it.? The next larger size is BXA, and then CXA.? The CXA is usually put on quite large lathes.? I thimpfk I have heard of DXA too, but not sure.? Don't know the sizeof OXA.
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

The first letter in each of these designations refers to a size.? For instance, AXA is (as far as I know) the smallest of these style.? Your tool post has to be the right size for the tool holder to to fit on it.? The next larger size is BXA, and then CXA.? The CXA is usually put on quite large lathes.? I thimpfk I have heard of DXA too, but not sure.? Don't know the sizeof OXA.
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

Admittedly my post was made hoping to be able to cut out time sorting through tons of useless data/links to find a succinct but complete source.? I hate wasting time at the numerous links typically shown that end up existing to get money from the adverts on their pages and do very little to inform.
?
For 2 decades I have been doing a lot of online research and have seen how this scenario, sadly, is becoming the norm.
?
I appreciate your taking the time to reply and give the info you did.? Thank you :)
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

https://patents.google.com/patent/US1141854A/en

That's?the 1913 patent drawing. They can be used on lathes like the Unimat, and about anything else.?

Bill in OKC?

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.?
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better.
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.



On Tuesday, October 22, 2024 at 06:18:37 PM CDT, vt_biketim <tchock59@...> wrote:


Google is your friend here, just highlight? [Norman style vs an ALoris style] from your message and add the word toolpost and then search for images. Pictures def worth a thousand words in this case. There is some confusion in that the Norman patent toolpost and the Van Norman milling machine company sound the same, but are different things. Aloris toolposts?come in different sizes for different sized lathes, denoted OXA, AXA, BXA, CXA. All the knockoffs stick with that nomenclature.

Tim?

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 6:58?PM Lbrewer42 via <lbrewer_42=[email protected]> wrote:
Can someone tell this newbie what a "Van Norman style" vs an ALoris style and an AXA is?? I am just starting to look into this subject and wondering where I can find a short, concise, and factual comparison to what to look for.? Thanks!
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Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

Google is your friend here, just highlight? [Norman style vs an ALoris style] from your message and add the word toolpost and then search for images. Pictures def worth a thousand words in this case. There is some confusion in that the Norman patent toolpost and the Van Norman milling machine company sound the same, but are different things. Aloris toolposts?come in different sizes for different sized lathes, denoted OXA, AXA, BXA, CXA. All the knockoffs stick with that nomenclature.

Tim?

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 6:58?PM Lbrewer42 via <lbrewer_42=[email protected]> wrote:
Can someone tell this newbie what a "Van Norman style" vs an ALoris style and an AXA is?? I am just starting to look into this subject and wondering where I can find a short, concise, and factual comparison to what to look for.? Thanks!
?
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

Can someone tell this newbie what a "Van Norman style" vs an ALoris style and an AXA is?? I am just starting to look into this subject and wondering where I can find a short, concise, and factual comparison to what to look for.? Thanks!
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Re: Unbranded 10in. Steady rest

 

I just viewed the 1941 article, thats it, thank you and now i know the accessory number??
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

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YA can also buy the tool post without the tool holders from some places & they make the tool holders . What ever ya do its gonna cost $ or material or both .

animal

On 10/22/24 9:11 AM, DEEJ via groups.io wrote:

Ah, I had never heard of?Van Norman style QCTP so I chekt it out online.? Yes, definitely would be easier to make than an Aloris style QCTP--however,? the ability to change quickly tools, is hindered by that tightening bolt.? Also, the tool holder itself (many of them) would eat up a lot of metal and a lot of time.? In making an Aloris style tool holder (not the post), you can make several in one go then cut them up .? There is more initial work on an Aloris style but the benefits IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion) FAR outweigh that extra work.? Besides, most of the work is simple drilling and tapping.? Cutting the bevels is the part that is hardest because of the precision needed and the possibility of breaking a couple bevel cutters.
Re: Unbranded 10in. Steady rest

 

Thats interesting I will check this out. By the way where did you view that image?
Re: atlas 10" quick change tool post

 

The major advantage to the Van Norman style QCTP? is that it can be made on the lathe. No milling machine? or even milling attachment required. Useful, yes, but not required. ;)

The Aloris style is quite complicated, and requires a well-equipped shop & a skilled metalworker. I'm closer to that now than I was in 2015...

:)

Bill in OKC?

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.?
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better.
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.



On Tuesday, October 22, 2024 at 11:11:14 AM CDT, DEEJ via groups.io <dgjohnsonstein@...> wrote:


Ah, I had never heard of?Van Norman style QCTP so I chekt it out online.? Yes, definitely would be easier to make than an Aloris style QCTP--however,? the ability to change quickly tools, is hindered by that tightening bolt.? Also, the tool holder itself (many of them) would eat up a lot of metal and a lot of time.? In making an Aloris style tool holder (not the post), you can make several in one go then cut them up .? There is more initial work on an Aloris style but the benefits IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion) FAR outweigh that extra work.? Besides, most of the work is simple drilling and tapping.? Cutting the bevels is the part that is hardest because of the precision needed and the possibility of breaking a couple bevel cutters.
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