Re: Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
A railroad spike is going to be very hard and depending on the lathe you have, might be too much to ask from it.?
Go online to ebay and buy metal from there. You can find cut off drops of a foot or less in length for 10-20 bucks.?
Buy some aluminum, brass, and 12L14 steel. stay away from the high grade steels like 4140 as they are harder to machine with a small lathe.?
Don't be afraid to screw up. that is how most of us learn. plus, youtube has a lot of beginner?videos.
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Yes, I have a local Tractor supply etc. where I can buy metal. But as with most subjects, I find experienced people have tricks up their sleeve. I just want some stuff to learn to turn with. B/c I am not experienced I am thinking old railroad spikes, making
a forge and melting aluminum cans (I know its low grade, but i just want to learn to make chips with different metals), large bolts, etc. But what are some ideas other hobbyists have found for obtaining metal to turn while not cracking open the wallet and
shelling out big bucks? I don't even have projects in mind really, just wanting the hands on experience with different metals.
Thanks for any ideas,
Lee
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Ideas on getting free/inexpensive stock/scraps
Yes, I have a local Tractor supply etc. where I can buy metal. But as with most subjects, I find experienced people have tricks up their sleeve. I just want some stuff to learn to turn with. B/c I am not experienced I am thinking old railroad spikes, making a forge and melting aluminum cans (I know its low grade, but i just want to learn to make chips with different metals), large bolts, etc. But what are some ideas other hobbyists have found for obtaining metal to turn while not cracking open the wallet and shelling out big bucks? I don't even have projects in mind really, just wanting the hands on experience with different metals.
Thanks for any ideas,
Lee
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Re: Probably not a good thing
He probably got a nice new shiny one on his way out the door too
.
animal
On 3/20/24 8:37 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
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That is the company I was thinking about in my earlier post. I
think Abom did a factory tour video where I saw the different
versions.
On 3/20/2024 12:49 AM, Bill Williams
wrote:
Gerstner Chests. US made $3000, Chinese made to
Gerstner specs, $600, Chinese Knockoff, $60! Fortunately?I
have the first and the last!? ?Bill
On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at
6:40?PM Mike Poore < mpoore10@...>
wrote:
I know what you mean. Incredible.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, mike allen wrote:
It's been going on with the Honda small engine
knock-off's for years all parts are interchangeable .
It keeps? Harbor Freight doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
Agreed. You can get good
products made there if you control the process.
Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they
will steal your IP and make the same thing under a
fictitious brand and sell it on Amazon for 25% of your
price. There is a Stihl knockoff on Amazon that you
can literally interchange genuine Stihl parts with the
Chicom saw. I honestly do not know how they get away
with it. It seems like Stihl would protest more.
Starrett does indeed have a
factory in China, and the products made there are
thus under their direct control. Unlike companies
that buy products from various vendors and have
their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog
or website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is
made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore
<mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well
respected companies, maybe not Starrett, had a
value line of Chicom products alongside their
American made line. It does appear Starrett has a
presence in China already as this screen shot of
their website demonstrates. Something must be
getting made there. We are okay with slave labor
so long as we aren't the slaves and the products
are cheap. Nothing has changed except the location
of the slaves.
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Re: Probably not a good thing
That is the company I was thinking about in my earlier post. I think
Abom did a factory tour video where I saw the different versions.
On 3/20/2024 12:49 AM, Bill Williams
wrote:
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Gerstner Chests. US made $3000, Chinese made to
Gerstner specs, $600, Chinese Knockoff, $60! Fortunately?I have
the first and the last!? ?Bill
On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at
6:40?PM Mike Poore < mpoore10@...>
wrote:
I know what you mean. Incredible.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, mike allen wrote:
It's been going on with the Honda small engine
knock-off's for years all parts are interchangeable . It
keeps? Harbor Freight doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
Agreed. You can get good products
made there if you control the process. Unfortunately,
once they learn your processes, they will steal your IP
and make the same thing under a fictitious brand and
sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a
Stihl knockoff on Amazon that you can literally
interchange genuine Stihl parts with the Chicom saw. I
honestly do not know how they get away with it. It seems
like Stihl would protest more.
Starrett does indeed have a
factory in China, and the products made there are thus
under their direct control. Unlike companies that buy
products from various vendors and have their names
stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website,
it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected
companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of
Chicom products alongside their American made line.
It does appear Starrett has a presence in China
already as this screen shot of their website
demonstrates. Something must be getting made there.
We are okay with slave labor so long as we aren't
the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has
changed except the location of the slaves.
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Re: speed chart for a 10" V54
Thanks Jim.? Looking him up now.
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Re: Probably not a good thing
Gerstner Chests. US made $3000, Chinese made to Gerstner specs, $600, Chinese Knockoff, $60! Fortunately?I have the first and the last!? ?Bill
On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 6:40?PM Mike Poore < mpoore10@...> wrote:
I know what you mean. Incredible.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, mike allen wrote:
It's been going on with the Honda small engine knock-off's for
years all parts are interchangeable . It keeps? Harbor Freight
doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
Agreed. You can get good products made there if you control the
process. Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they
will steal your IP and make the same thing under a fictitious
brand and sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a
Stihl knockoff on Amazon that you can literally interchange
genuine Stihl parts with the Chicom saw. I honestly do not know
how they get away with it. It seems like Stihl would protest
more.
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products
made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike
companies that buy products from various vendors and have
their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog or
website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected
companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom
products alongside their American made line. It does appear
Starrett has a presence in China already as this screen shot
of their website demonstrates. Something must be getting
made there. We are okay with slave labor so long as we
aren't the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has
changed except the location of the slaves.
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I know what you mean. Incredible.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, mike allen wrote:
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It's been going on with the Honda small engine knock-off's for
years all parts are interchangeable . It keeps? Harbor Freight
doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
Agreed. You can get good products made there if you control the
process. Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they
will steal your IP and make the same thing under a fictitious
brand and sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a
Stihl knockoff on Amazon that you can literally interchange
genuine Stihl parts with the Chicom saw. I honestly do not know
how they get away with it. It seems like Stihl would protest
more.
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products
made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike
companies that buy products from various vendors and have
their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog or
website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected
companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom
products alongside their American made line. It does appear
Starrett has a presence in China already as this screen shot
of their website demonstrates. Something must be getting
made there. We are okay with slave labor so long as we
aren't the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has
changed except the location of the slaves.
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Re: speed chart for a 10" V54
You can also watch ABOM 79. Adam is a good machinist that works on real projects and finds solutions that inspire us.
You guys are great!? I very much appreciate all the feedback, comments, and help.
Being new here I did some searching for settings and now set them so I will get a daily digest.? I had not see all the replies before coming here again to try to figure out the workings of this site.
I finished Mr. Pete's video series on the Atlas lathe that I bought from him as well as have spent a lot of time online watching him and others.? Health issues keep me down from always being able to be in my shop like I would like to be, but it gives more time for books and videos for learning.? There are just things I find when it is time to go hands on that are common sense to people already experienced with the lathe that I did not? find in online videos.?
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Re: speed chart for a 10" V54
You guys are great!? I very much appreciate all the feedback, comments, and help.
Being new here I did some searching for settings and now set them so I will get a daily digest.? I had not see all the replies before coming here again to try to figure out the workings of this site.
I finished Mr. Pete's video series on the Atlas lathe that I bought from him as well as have spent a lot of time online watching him and others.? Health issues keep me down from always being able to be in my shop like I would like to be, but it gives more time for books and videos for learning.? There are just things I find when it is time to go hands on that are common sense to people already experienced with the lathe that I did not? find in online videos.?
??
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Re: Probably not a good thing
It's been going on with the Honda small engine knock-off's for
years all parts are interchangeable . It keeps? Harbor Freight
doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
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Show quoted text
Agreed. You can get good products made there if you control the
process. Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they will
steal your IP and make the same thing under a fictitious brand and
sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a Stihl knockoff
on Amazon that you can literally interchange genuine Stihl parts
with the Chicom saw. I honestly do not know how they get away with
it. It seems like Stihl would protest more.
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products
made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike companies
that buy products from various vendors and have their names
stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website, it’s pretty
obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected companies,
maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom products
alongside their American made line. It does appear Starrett
has a presence in China already as this screen shot of their
website demonstrates. Something must be getting made there. We
are okay with slave labor so long as we aren't the slaves and
the products are cheap. Nothing has changed except the
location of the slaves.
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Re: speed chart for a 10" V54
this what yer lookin for
?
animal
n 3/18/24 12:56 PM, Lbrewer42 wrote:
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Total newbie. Did my first turning not long ago. I learned a lot.
Specifically that I have a lot to learn, but also that this is
going to be something i REALLY enjoy. I am trying to find a chart
showing the different speed settings for my 10 inch V54. Does
anyone have such a thing?
I have been looking online and not found one so far.
Thanks, Lee
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Re: Probably not a good thing
Agreed. You can get good products made there if you control the
process. Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they will
steal your IP and make the same thing under a fictitious brand and
sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a Stihl knockoff
on Amazon that you can literally interchange genuine Stihl parts
with the Chicom saw. I honestly do not know how they get away with
it. It seems like Stihl would protest more.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products
made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike companies
that buy products from various vendors and have their names
stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website, it’s pretty
obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore
<mpoore10@...> wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected companies,
maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom products
alongside their American made line. It does appear Starrett has
a presence in China already as this screen shot of their website
demonstrates. Something must be getting made there. We are okay
with slave labor so long as we aren't the slaves and the
products are cheap. Nothing has changed except the location of
the slaves.
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The problem is CHINA . We need to really lay on our politicians to bring all the American company's back home. Just look at auto parts they are all china made? ?
GP
On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 10:45:58 AM EDT, jmartin957 <jmartin957@...> via groups.io <jmartin957@...> wrote:
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike companies that buy products from various vendors and have their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...> wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom products alongside their American made line. It does appear Starrett has a presence in China already as this screen shot of their website demonstrates. Something must be getting made there. We are okay with slave labor so long as we aren't the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has changed except the location of the slaves.
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Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike companies that buy products from various vendors and have their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
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On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...> wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom products alongside their American made line. It does appear Starrett has a presence in China already as this screen shot of their website demonstrates. Something must be getting made there. We are okay with slave labor so long as we aren't the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has changed except the location of the slaves.
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Re: speed chart for a 10" V54
Spindle Speed Chart is in the MOLO (Manual of Lathe Operation) I suggest buying a hard copy, e-Bay perhaps $35 - $40. I see a number of versions as listed as low as $8.30 () or just google "Manual of Lathe Operation" or download from a number of sources.? There is a copy in the manuals section at . Membership required, register completely free of charge.
This copy focuses on the 12" Craftsman version but for all practical purposes 99% of the information is equally applicable to the Atlas 10" F series lathes which includes your V54.
Raymond
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I remember seeing where one of the well respected companies, maybe
not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom products alongside their
American made line. It does appear Starrett has a presence in China
already as this screen shot of their website demonstrates. Something
must be getting made there. We are okay with slave labor so long as
we aren't the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has changed
except the location of the slaves.
On 3/16/2024 6:45 AM, rfmarchi1 wrote:
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The value in Starrett is clearly in their multi-hundred-thousand
dollar metrology suites for precise measurement of high-end
products. Their hand tool business has gradually become
unaffordable to individuals.. The 0-1" friction thimble carbide
tipped vernier micrometer I bought new for $25 as an apprentice
is now $299 from Grainger. The 12"
centerhead/protractor/adjustable square I bought from a retiring
old timer for chump change is now unaffordable for mere mortals.
So... the answer is that the private equity sharks will keep the
metrology suites and re-brand the hand tools using Chinese
products at a lower price point than a real Starrett tool, but
still pricier than the Chinese-branded product.?
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Re: speed chart for a 10" V54
Hey Lee, Machining is like a drug. It's a habit forming. The sounds and smells included. I had 25 years as a journeyman tool and die maker/machinist. You are going to have so much fun.?
Total newbie. Did my first turning not long ago. I learned a lot. Specifically that I have a lot to learn, but also that this is going to be something i REALLY enjoy. I am trying to find a chart showing the different speed settings for my 10 inch V54. Does anyone have such a thing?
I have been looking online and not found one so far.
Thanks, Lee
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Re: speed chart for a 10" V54
I will bet he is thrilled, or saying ‘what the heck just happened?
Turn On Lee. Enjoy the chips. In a heavy cut look for 6&9 in the curl. That’s sixes and nines 6 / 9. You will find out if you ever see it I’m sure.
Brian
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On Mar 18, 2024, at 5:05 PM, Jim F <lacityjim2@...> wrote:
? Thanks Brian.? I just sent Lee some information.? On Mar 18, 2024, at 1:29?PM, Brian Cayer <b.k.cayer@...> wrote:
? Jim I can see his email address at the beginning of his post. I hope you send him whatever you can.?
Lee, Turn on man, it’s a good machine. Brian On Mar 18, 2024, at 4:06 PM, Jim F <lacityjim2@...> wrote:
? Send me your email address and I’ll send you a bunch of information.? Jim On Mar 18, 2024, at 12:56?PM, Lbrewer42 <lbrewer_42@...> wrote:
?Total newbie. Did my first turning not long ago. I learned a lot. Specifically that I have a lot to learn, but also that this is going to be something i REALLY enjoy. I am trying to find a chart showing the different speed settings for my 10 inch V54. Does anyone have such a thing?
I have been looking online and not found one so far.
Thanks, Lee
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Re: speed chart for a 10" V54
Thanks Brian.? I just sent Lee some information.?
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On Mar 18, 2024, at 1:29?PM, Brian Cayer <b.k.cayer@...> wrote:
? Jim I can see his email address at the beginning of his post. I hope you send him whatever you can.?
Lee, Turn on man, it’s a good machine. Brian On Mar 18, 2024, at 4:06 PM, Jim F <lacityjim2@...> wrote:
? Send me your email address and I’ll send you a bunch of information.? Jim On Mar 18, 2024, at 12:56?PM, Lbrewer42 <lbrewer_42@...> wrote:
?Total newbie. Did my first turning not long ago. I learned a lot. Specifically that I have a lot to learn, but also that this is going to be something i REALLY enjoy. I am trying to find a chart showing the different speed settings for my 10 inch V54. Does anyone have such a thing?
I have been looking online and not found one so far.
Thanks, Lee
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Lbrewer42
Jim F
Brian Cayer