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I have to disagree, it also (mainly) feeds the ego of the poster.

Charles


On Apr 17, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Robert Downs via groups.io <wa5cab@...> wrote:

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I’ll have to side with Bill on this matter.? The only thing accomplished by telling someone who asked how to do something that they should already know the answer is to PO the asker.? Had he known the answer, he wouldn’t have asked.? Fortunately, someone else did give the or at least a answer.? Which was that at least with our equipment, it will probably require three cutters, a straight grooving tool and two boring tools, one LH and one RH.

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I’ll have to side with Bill on this matter.? The only thing accomplished by telling someone who asked how to do something that they should already know the answer is to PO the asker.? Had he known the answer, he wouldn’t have asked.? Fortunately, someone else did give the or at least a answer.? Which was that at least with our equipment, it will probably require three cutters, a straight grooving tool and two boring tools, one LH and one RH.

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That’s correct.? And not only the recommended angle of the groove sides but the recommended width of the groove at the OD also changes with diameter.

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Robert Downs

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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 08:36
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Not only would a form tool make no sense because of the likelihood of chatter, but you’d need different form tools for each pulley diameter. ?The angles are different for each diameter.

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Machinery’s Handbook has drawings of recommended grooves versus pulley diameter.? They give the recommended width and angle between the sides of the groove.

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 18:34
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Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Need Pulley for Craftsman Speed-Reducing Attachment

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??? ??? any one have any pic's of the tool profile they use for makin pulleys ?

??? ??? animal

On 4/16/2020 2:46 PM, Dave Matticks wrote:

John,

Nice article! Procedure look good, I'd use different tooling but same idea.

Not going to make one for this episode but I have made a pulley or 2 in the past.

Trued up a couple die cast ones as well, some are near useless out of the box.

Not only made in USA but 2 miles from my house!

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Dave

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On April 16, 2020 at 1:02 PM "John Wilshusen via groups.io" <wilshusen@...> wrote:

Bruce,

One additional thing to add to your literature pile. ?I read and applied what i learned in this write-up when I was making the motor pulley for my lathe. ?You might find it useful as well.

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Good luck!

John

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On Apr 16, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Jim Irwin <jimairwin@...> wrote:

So you're planning to create a pulley, eh? I'd really like to see a video of that!?

Most of us have to settle for fabricating things.

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On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 7:00 PM Dave Matticks < dpm100@...> wrote:

Bruce,

Yeah, 7075 is expensive but 6061 would work better than fine. 7075 just cuts so nice.

Going cast iron is not going to save any money regardless of how you do it unless you pour it yourself!

They don't carry round 7075 but you might get a good price on 6061 from Clinton Aluminum.

McMaster Carr can surprise you sometimes.

Alro sucks price wise!

Have fun,

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Dave

On April 15, 2020 at 7:46 AM exerpd+groupsio@... wrote:

Thanks all!

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Glenn N – Yes, Robert Downs put this file in the files section.

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Brad – How can 3-D printing & casting & machining be less expensive than the piece of aluminum?

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Kay – Thanks for the Speedy Metals link.

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Robert Downs / Guenther Paul – Thanks for the suggestions on how to machine it more easily.

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Kay Davis / Dave Matticks – 7075 seems much more expensive than the other aluminum choices.

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Craig Treleaven – Thanks for filling me in on the edits I make causing problems.? I get the update only daily, so do not have this problem.? The only times I do this instead of a separate post, is when I have grammar or formatting errors.? It seems like every group has different formatting defaults.? And in this group you cannot see what the final formatting is going to look like until AFTER you post.? Will try to be more careful.

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So everyone understands, it may be a while before I create this aluminum pulley.? I will update everyone when I complete this or have questions.? Prior to November, I did not even own a lathe, so I am new to this & still learning.? What might be easy to some, is new to me.? I am going to a) wait a little while to see if I can locate an OEM 60-29 pulley.? b) If not, then I will do the aluminum pulley machining.? As was discussed early in this thread, I do not use the drill press constantly & it is working as is.? So this is not an immediate necessity.

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43 degrees doesn’t make sense to me. ?Machinery’s Handbook says, for a 4L belt, 30 degrees for diameters under 2.65” to 38 degrees for diameters over 5.65”. ?You don’t have to vary the angles, but you’ll get a lot better contact if you do.


On Apr 17, 2020, at 11:42 AM, mondosmetals <jwrey@...> wrote:

?On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 09:35 AM, jmartin957 <jmartin957@...> wrote:
but you’d need different form tools for each pulley diameter. ?The angles are different for each diameter.
Please explain. The factory drawing notes that all grooves are 43° Included angle.

Raymond


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RE: Form tools on an Atlas 12" lathe

Bruce:

I was fortunate to learn lathe work in the early '60's when most tooling was ground from HSS blanks and the experience I got then has been invaluable now that it's a hobby. The key is to keep the clearance and rake angles as well as the feeds and speeds for the various materials in mind no matter what tool you are grinding. The trickiest tools were usually the small boring or internal threading tools made from a 1/4" or 3/8" HSS blank that had to work inside a 1" diameter blind bore 1 1/2 inches deep. Still, the basics were the same. Keep practicing, keep making chips with offhand ground tools and you'll get really good at it.

I'm not a fan of using form tools on a light lathe like my Atlas 10". It's not a matter of the horsepower, but of the chatter and the possibility of hoggin in. One approach is to nibble away at the work, where a stronger lathe would allow a form tool plunge cut. Use a ball cutter where the tool is basically single point cutting, rather than try to form cut a 1 1/2" diameter sphere. If you don't have a ball cutter make a series of tangential cuts approximating a sphere, check the form with a radius gauge and finish it with a file and wet-or-dry paper. Do a deep cutoff by making several plunge cuts with a parting tool offset by 10 thou to provide plenty of side clearance for chips and lube. In other words, get inventive and have some fun figuring out how to overcome the limitations of your machine.

The pdf of the pulley groove turnng setup is a great example of how to use an inventive setup to solve a problem. Most of all, keep making chips and have fun.


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Good going Bruce, looks like a useful tool to have and beautifully executed.



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Also, just so people will not think I am totally clueless, this is my COVID19 project I just completed on my lathe.? It is a knock-off of an old Miller Falls No. 1 Hand Vise.? I am proud of it since it is only about the 3rd project I have ever done……………….

Art Eckstein – Thanks for the additional pdf!

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Bruce Varner


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Sounds like a good application for Casenite case hardening...
Gman

Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020, 10:29 AM
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The Miller Falls knock-off is not completely done.? I now need to learn how to small part heat treat, so I can harden the area of the jaws..........................
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Interesting discourse. When I did my first pulley ~20 years ago, I didn't have many resources for asking questions, so I just went with a single tool with just under 30* point. I basically plunged straight in until it complained and then started working down the sides until it was deep and wide enough. Then I just cleaned up the edges to final size. It was only a 2 step motor pulley, but I learned a lot. As to form tools, they work pretty well if you can spin the work fast enough and can jog side to side so it isn't cutting everything at once. I use a piece of wood planer blade to grind the profile on and then braze it to a 1/2" square bar at about a 3* angle and mount it in the QCTP. Of course I did this before somebody told me I couldn't do it :)

Gman

On Apr 17, 2020, at 10:40 AM, exerpd+groupsio@... wrote:

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Thanks to all for the info on the types, sizes, & locations for aluminum (& Cast Iron) to do the job.? It will be an interesting project.

John WIlshusen – Thank you very much for the pdf!? Just the kind of thing I need.

Guenther Paul – (And the others after him who responded to the tool grinding statement) Unfortunately I am new to machining.? I have made & ground 2 or 3 of my common facing & parting tools.? They have worked out good.? But, I am lacking in knowledge of grinding different tools, particularly form tools.? Not to mention that I am unsure how large a surface cutting area I can safely use on my lathe with a form tool? (Craftsman 12” #101.07403)? Seems like a can easily get my lathe to bog if hogging out too much metal at once.? Then gratefully jmartin957 comes along & adds that I should be using facing & parting tools for the pulley job.? I kind of understand that, but it leads to more questions.

1) Any specific suggestions on good YouTube videos or other instructional documentation on cutting all types of tools?? I have looked at many.? Some make sense, some not.

2) jmartin957, are you just saying that say the normal facing (left or right) tool is used, just ground at much different angles to accommodate the area to which you need access?

3) I am also specifically interested in any knowledge of what should just not be attempted on my particular lathe?? Like form tools.? Example would be let’s say a 90 degree form tool.? One where it would cut a full 90 degrees or ? of a ball.? Not talking this project, but others.? Instinctively guess that something that radical would be way too much for my lathe.? Would a larger ? or 1 HP motor help or would that just as likely break something as help?? My lathe currently has what I believe to be the original ? HP motor.

I cannot apprentice with anyone so as to watch them and learn.? So I am stuck with finding what I can on the internet, which as you know is not always correct information…………

I know this is old hat to most, but important to me.? I have the luxury of being old (retired) and in no hurry.? So, while I am not trying to learn the trade for pay, I am doing something better.? Learning because I just want to and enjoy it…………..

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Bruce Varner


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That _MakingV-BeltPulleys file is great, I don't even need a pulley but if I did that would show me where to start! I'll save it somewhere I hope I can find it if I need it. Actually I "could" use some crowned pulleys. I"ll probable just knock the radius off a square pulley with a file.

Ralph


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The Miller Falls knock-off is not completely done.? I now need to learn how to small part heat treat, so I can harden the area of the jaws..........................
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??? ??? at $2,800.00 I see a government contract in yer future . keep up the good work

??? ??? animal

On 4/17/2020 10:07 AM, exerpd+groupsio@... wrote:

Thanks for the nice comments about the hand vise.? No production, at my rate of speed & at my hourly wage before retiring, I would have to charge about $2,800 per vise. Ha Ha!? I little too much, don’t you think?

Could not find a drawing.? Found one image online where a person had placed a rule beside there vise.? I just extrapolated from that.

Used the lathe, the milling attachment, the drill press, & the belt sander.? Could not use anything else because that is all I have………….

Jmartin957 – Thanks for the feedback about creating tools.? I figured it would boil down to experimentation.? I bought a couple of sets of different size tool blanks, just have not started playing with them yet…………

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Bruce Varner


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Thanks for the nice comments about the hand vise.? No production, at my rate of speed & at my hourly wage before retiring, I would have to charge about $2,800 per vise. Ha Ha!? I little too much, don’t you think?

Could not find a drawing.? Found one image online where a person had placed a rule beside there vise.? I just extrapolated from that.

Used the lathe, the milling attachment, the drill press, & the belt sander.? Could not use anything else because that is all I have………….

Jmartin957 – Thanks for the feedback about creating tools.? I figured it would boil down to experimentation.? I bought a couple of sets of different size tool blanks, just have not started playing with them yet…………

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Animal,
I probably broke all the rules of good machining when I made mine, which is also why it probably took me so long to make. ?Remember, I was working on a 618, so start from there.

I started with a chunk of 3” round stock. ?Turned the basic diameters out for the two pulleys, and a smaller part on one side where the set screw would go. ?Then I bored a half inch hole straight through and mounted the thing to an arbor (home made from a piece of half inch drill rod that i put a slight taper on. ?It took a little finagling to get it where i could press it on and still get it to hold. ?I discovered later that super glue would have been helpful. ?Live and learn I reckon)

FWIW, I had to use the arbor in order to get the pulley set far enough away from the chuck that I could cut the insides of the left pulley flanges using the compound.

After getting it set up on the arbor, I used my parting blade to cut the majority of the groove to finish depth. ?Then i switched to using right/left hand 15 degree insert holders (I’m using the set from Little Machine Shop, on a 0XA wedge-type tool post). ?I found that the bottom of the pulley grooves were just barely wide enough that I could get all the way to the inside corner if I carefully set the tool angle. ?It probably was not perfectly aligned for cutting like the textbook would suggest, but it worked. ?I took very light cuts down the angled faces until I got to the full depth, then switched to the other side and repeated the process. ?The hardest part to cut was the inside face of the smaller diameter pulley — the outer edge of the inside face of the larger pulley ended up very close to the compound so it required watching closely. ?I am not sure I could have made it fit if it had been more than a two step pulley; that’s something different in your case so you might need to do a bit of fiddling to find a way to get the tool cutting edge where you want it without the rest of the pulley interfering with the cut.

I would have preferred to use the tool that was diagrammed in the article I linked, but I did not have a grinder at the time so had no practical way to cut a blank to shape. ?That angled tool in the article would have made it a whole lot easier, that I can assure you.

John

On Apr 17, 2020, at 12:42 PM, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

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??? ??? I'm hep to not usiin a form tool . I made a pulley a few years back & it took some time gettin the cutter right for doin the facing . I have since lost that tool & for the? life of me I can't remember the profile that I ended

??? ??? up with that worked . I did start with? parting tool & when I found a facing grind that worked I ground both side of the bit for right & left . that tool bit is either in some dark corner that? can't see or may have fallen into

??? ??? the swarf bucket . which brings us to today . I need to make a replacement 4 groove pulley for my big enco mill/drill & I don't want to **** it up simple as that . so that's why I asked for some insight

??? ??? animal

On 4/17/2020 6:35 AM, jmartin957 <jmartin957@...> via groups.io wrote:
Guenther’s reply may have seemed harsh, but I don’t think he was far off target.

I’d have instead said that any decent machinist - or anyone with experience running one of these light lathes - will already know how to grind the tools to cut the pulley grooves. Because the key word here is tools - not tool.

Trying to turn grooves for normal sized V belts on lathes like these doesn’t work very well with form tools. ?Instead, you need several different tools - the ones you use every day. ?A parting tool to cut the depth of the groove, and to cut the bottom to width. ?A facing tool to cut the left side of the groove, with the compound feeding at the proper angle. ?And then the mirror image of that facing tool to cut the right side of the groove, with the compound set the other way. ?No pics should be needed.

Not only would a form tool make no sense because of the likelihood of chatter, but you’d need different form tools for each pulley diameter. ?The angles are different for each diameter.


On Apr 17, 2020, at 12:44 AM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:

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Guenther, most of us here are amateurs. Not professional machinists. That is quite enough. If you do not have something constructive to say, do not say anything at all.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:26:20 PM CDT, Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...> wrote:


Any decent machinist should know how to grind cutting tool for his machining job

GP


On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 7:33:53 PM EDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:


??? ??? any one have any pic's of the tool profile they use for makin pulleys ?

??? ??? animal

On 4/16/2020 2:46 PM, Dave Matticks wrote:
John,
Nice article! Procedure look good, I'd use different tooling but same idea.
Not going to make one for this episode but I have made a pulley or 2 in the past.
Trued up a couple die cast ones as well, some are near useless out of the box.
Not only made in USA but 2 miles from my house!

Dave

On April 16, 2020 at 1:02 PM "John Wilshusen via groups.io" <wilshusen@...> wrote:

Bruce,
One additional thing to add to your literature pile. ?I read and applied what i learned in this write-up when I was making the motor pulley for my lathe. ?You might find it useful as well.

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Good luck!
John

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On Apr 16, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Jim Irwin <jimairwin@...> wrote:

So you're planning to create a pulley, eh? I'd really like to see a video of that!?
Most of us have to settle for fabricating things.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 7:00 PM Dave Matticks < dpm100@...> wrote:
Bruce,
Yeah, 7075 is expensive but 6061 would work better than fine. 7075 just cuts so nice.
Going cast iron is not going to save any money regardless of how you do it unless you pour it yourself!
They don't carry round 7075 but you might get a good price on 6061 from Clinton Aluminum.
McMaster Carr can surprise you sometimes.
Alro sucks price wise!
Have fun,

Dave
On April 15, 2020 at 7:46 AM exerpd+groupsio@... wrote:

Thanks all!

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Glenn N – Yes, Robert Downs put this file in the files section.

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Brad – How can 3-D printing & casting & machining be less expensive than the piece of aluminum?

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Kay – Thanks for the Speedy Metals link.

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Robert Downs / Guenther Paul – Thanks for the suggestions on how to machine it more easily.

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Kay Davis / Dave Matticks – 7075 seems much more expensive than the other aluminum choices.

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Craig Treleaven – Thanks for filling me in on the edits I make causing problems.? I get the update only daily, so do not have this problem.? The only times I do this instead of a separate post, is when I have grammar or formatting errors.? It seems like every group has different formatting defaults.? And in this group you cannot see what the final formatting is going to look like until AFTER you post.? Will try to be more careful.

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So everyone understands, it may be a while before I create this aluminum pulley.? I will update everyone when I complete this or have questions.? Prior to November, I did not even own a lathe, so I am new to this & still learning.? What might be easy to some, is new to me.? I am going to a) wait a little while to see if I can locate an OEM 60-29 pulley.? b) If not, then I will do the aluminum pulley machining.? As was discussed early in this thread, I do not use the drill press constantly & it is working as is.? So this is not an immediate necessity.

--
Bruce Varner

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One thing you could do to get the shape you want is use forged carbon steel tooling. That's really, REALLY old-school. ;)

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)




On Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:01:24 PM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:


??? ??? thanks Bill , I have that been thinking bout making one , got to see if I have any stock that will fit the tool holder

??? ??? animal

On 4/17/2020 9:39 AM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io wrote:
Mike, what you need to see is in the attachment to this email from John Wilshusen.

/g/atlas-craftsman/message/107056

HTH!

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)




On Friday, April 17, 2020, 11:26:55 AM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:


??? ??? well I guess I'm not decent , or at least a decent machinist

??? ??? animal

On 4/16/2020 9:26 PM, Guenther Paul wrote:
Any decent machinist should know how to grind cutting tool for his machining job

GP


On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 7:33:53 PM EDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:


??? ??? any one have any pic's of the tool profile they use for makin pulleys ?

??? ??? animal

On 4/16/2020 2:46 PM, Dave Matticks wrote:
John,
Nice article! Procedure look good, I'd use different tooling but same idea.
Not going to make one for this episode but I have made a pulley or 2 in the past.
Trued up a couple die cast ones as well, some are near useless out of the box.
Not only made in USA but 2 miles from my house!

Dave

On April 16, 2020 at 1:02 PM "John Wilshusen via groups.io" <wilshusen@...> wrote:

Bruce,
One additional thing to add to your literature pile. ?I read and applied what i learned in this write-up when I was making the motor pulley for my lathe. ?You might find it useful as well.

?
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Good luck!
John

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On Apr 16, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Jim Irwin <jimairwin@...> wrote:

So you're planning to create a pulley, eh? I'd really like to see a video of that!?
Most of us have to settle for fabricating things.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 7:00 PM Dave Matticks < dpm100@...> wrote:
Bruce,
Yeah, 7075 is expensive but 6061 would work better than fine. 7075 just cuts so nice.
Going cast iron is not going to save any money regardless of how you do it unless you pour it yourself!
They don't carry round 7075 but you might get a good price on 6061 from Clinton Aluminum.
McMaster Carr can surprise you sometimes.
Alro sucks price wise!
Have fun,

Dave
On April 15, 2020 at 7:46 AM exerpd+groupsio@... wrote:

Thanks all!

?

Glenn N – Yes, Robert Downs put this file in the files section.

?

Brad – How can 3-D printing & casting & machining be less expensive than the piece of aluminum?

?

Kay – Thanks for the Speedy Metals link.

?

Robert Downs / Guenther Paul – Thanks for the suggestions on how to machine it more easily.

?

Kay Davis / Dave Matticks – 7075 seems much more expensive than the other aluminum choices.

?

Craig Treleaven – Thanks for filling me in on the edits I make causing problems.? I get the update only daily, so do not have this problem.? The only times I do this instead of a separate post, is when I have grammar or formatting errors.? It seems like every group has different formatting defaults.? And in this group you cannot see what the final formatting is going to look like until AFTER you post.? Will try to be more careful.

?

So everyone understands, it may be a while before I create this aluminum pulley.? I will update everyone when I complete this or have questions.? Prior to November, I did not even own a lathe, so I am new to this & still learning.? What might be easy to some, is new to me.? I am going to a) wait a little while to see if I can locate an OEM 60-29 pulley.? b) If not, then I will do the aluminum pulley machining.? As was discussed early in this thread, I do not use the drill press constantly & it is working as is.? So this is not an immediate necessity.

--
Bruce Varner

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??? ??? thanks Bill , I have that been thinking bout making one , got to see if I have any stock that will fit the tool holder

??? ??? animal

On 4/17/2020 9:39 AM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io wrote:

Mike, what you need to see is in the attachment to this email from John Wilshusen.

/g/atlas-craftsman/message/107056

HTH!

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)




On Friday, April 17, 2020, 11:26:55 AM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:


??? ??? well I guess I'm not decent , or at least a decent machinist

??? ??? animal

On 4/16/2020 9:26 PM, Guenther Paul wrote:
Any decent machinist should know how to grind cutting tool for his machining job

GP


On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 7:33:53 PM EDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:


??? ??? any one have any pic's of the tool profile they use for makin pulleys ?

??? ??? animal

On 4/16/2020 2:46 PM, Dave Matticks wrote:
John,
Nice article! Procedure look good, I'd use different tooling but same idea.
Not going to make one for this episode but I have made a pulley or 2 in the past.
Trued up a couple die cast ones as well, some are near useless out of the box.
Not only made in USA but 2 miles from my house!

Dave

On April 16, 2020 at 1:02 PM "John Wilshusen via groups.io" <wilshusen@...> wrote:

Bruce,
One additional thing to add to your literature pile. ?I read and applied what i learned in this write-up when I was making the motor pulley for my lathe. ?You might find it useful as well.

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Good luck!
John

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On Apr 16, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Jim Irwin <jimairwin@...> wrote:

So you're planning to create a pulley, eh? I'd really like to see a video of that!?
Most of us have to settle for fabricating things.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 7:00 PM Dave Matticks < dpm100@...> wrote:
Bruce,
Yeah, 7075 is expensive but 6061 would work better than fine. 7075 just cuts so nice.
Going cast iron is not going to save any money regardless of how you do it unless you pour it yourself!
They don't carry round 7075 but you might get a good price on 6061 from Clinton Aluminum.
McMaster Carr can surprise you sometimes.
Alro sucks price wise!
Have fun,

Dave
On April 15, 2020 at 7:46 AM exerpd+groupsio@... wrote:

Thanks all!

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Glenn N – Yes, Robert Downs put this file in the files section.

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Brad – How can 3-D printing & casting & machining be less expensive than the piece of aluminum?

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Kay – Thanks for the Speedy Metals link.

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Robert Downs / Guenther Paul – Thanks for the suggestions on how to machine it more easily.

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Kay Davis / Dave Matticks – 7075 seems much more expensive than the other aluminum choices.

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Craig Treleaven – Thanks for filling me in on the edits I make causing problems.? I get the update only daily, so do not have this problem.? The only times I do this instead of a separate post, is when I have grammar or formatting errors.? It seems like every group has different formatting defaults.? And in this group you cannot see what the final formatting is going to look like until AFTER you post.? Will try to be more careful.

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So everyone understands, it may be a while before I create this aluminum pulley.? I will update everyone when I complete this or have questions.? Prior to November, I did not even own a lathe, so I am new to this & still learning.? What might be easy to some, is new to me.? I am going to a) wait a little while to see if I can locate an OEM 60-29 pulley.? b) If not, then I will do the aluminum pulley machining.? As was discussed early in this thread, I do not use the drill press constantly & it is working as is.? So this is not an immediate necessity.

--
Bruce Varner

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??? ??? that's sweet Bruce . I have a few original's but they never had the handle? , except their all missing the spring . but that's either good or bad dependin on what I'm doin

??? ??? animal

On 4/17/2020 7:57 AM, exerpd+groupsio@... wrote:

Also, just so people will not think I am totally clueless, this is my COVID19 project I just completed on my lathe.? It is a knock-off of an old Miller Falls No. 1 Hand Vise.? I am proud of it since it is only about the 3rd project I have ever done……………….

Art Eckstein – Thanks for the additional pdf!



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??? ??? I'm hep to not usiin a form tool . I made a pulley a few years back & it took some time gettin the cutter right for doin the facing . I have since lost that tool & for the? life of me I can't remember the profile that I ended

??? ??? up with that worked . I did start with? parting tool & when I found a facing grind that worked I ground both side of the bit for right & left . that tool bit is either in some dark corner that? can't see or may have fallen into

??? ??? the swarf bucket . which brings us to today . I need to make a replacement 4 groove pulley for my big enco mill/drill & I don't want to **** it up simple as that . so that's why I asked for some insight

??? ??? animal

On 4/17/2020 6:35 AM, jmartin957 <jmartin957@...> via groups.io wrote:

Guenther’s reply may have seemed harsh, but I don’t think he was far off target.

I’d have instead said that any decent machinist - or anyone with experience running one of these light lathes - will already know how to grind the tools to cut the pulley grooves. Because the key word here is tools - not tool.

Trying to turn grooves for normal sized V belts on lathes like these doesn’t work very well with form tools. ?Instead, you need several different tools - the ones you use every day. ?A parting tool to cut the depth of the groove, and to cut the bottom to width. ?A facing tool to cut the left side of the groove, with the compound feeding at the proper angle. ?And then the mirror image of that facing tool to cut the right side of the groove, with the compound set the other way. ?No pics should be needed.

Not only would a form tool make no sense because of the likelihood of chatter, but you’d need different form tools for each pulley diameter. ?The angles are different for each diameter.


On Apr 17, 2020, at 12:44 AM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:

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Guenther, most of us here are amateurs. Not professional machinists. That is quite enough. If you do not have something constructive to say, do not say anything at all.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)




On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:26:20 PM CDT, Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...> wrote:


Any decent machinist should know how to grind cutting tool for his machining job

GP


On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 7:33:53 PM EDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:


??? ??? any one have any pic's of the tool profile they use for makin pulleys ?

??? ??? animal

On 4/16/2020 2:46 PM, Dave Matticks wrote:
John,
Nice article! Procedure look good, I'd use different tooling but same idea.
Not going to make one for this episode but I have made a pulley or 2 in the past.
Trued up a couple die cast ones as well, some are near useless out of the box.
Not only made in USA but 2 miles from my house!

Dave

On April 16, 2020 at 1:02 PM "John Wilshusen via groups.io" <wilshusen@...> wrote:

Bruce,
One additional thing to add to your literature pile. ?I read and applied what i learned in this write-up when I was making the motor pulley for my lathe. ?You might find it useful as well.

?
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Good luck!
John

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On Apr 16, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Jim Irwin <jimairwin@...> wrote:

So you're planning to create a pulley, eh? I'd really like to see a video of that!?
Most of us have to settle for fabricating things.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 7:00 PM Dave Matticks < dpm100@...> wrote:
Bruce,
Yeah, 7075 is expensive but 6061 would work better than fine. 7075 just cuts so nice.
Going cast iron is not going to save any money regardless of how you do it unless you pour it yourself!
They don't carry round 7075 but you might get a good price on 6061 from Clinton Aluminum.
McMaster Carr can surprise you sometimes.
Alro sucks price wise!
Have fun,

Dave
On April 15, 2020 at 7:46 AM exerpd+groupsio@... wrote:

Thanks all!

?

Glenn N – Yes, Robert Downs put this file in the files section.

?

Brad – How can 3-D printing & casting & machining be less expensive than the piece of aluminum?

?

Kay – Thanks for the Speedy Metals link.

?

Robert Downs / Guenther Paul – Thanks for the suggestions on how to machine it more easily.

?

Kay Davis / Dave Matticks – 7075 seems much more expensive than the other aluminum choices.

?

Craig Treleaven – Thanks for filling me in on the edits I make causing problems.? I get the update only daily, so do not have this problem.? The only times I do this instead of a separate post, is when I have grammar or formatting errors.? It seems like every group has different formatting defaults.? And in this group you cannot see what the final formatting is going to look like until AFTER you post.? Will try to be more careful.

?

So everyone understands, it may be a while before I create this aluminum pulley.? I will update everyone when I complete this or have questions.? Prior to November, I did not even own a lathe, so I am new to this & still learning.? What might be easy to some, is new to me.? I am going to a) wait a little while to see if I can locate an OEM 60-29 pulley.? b) If not, then I will do the aluminum pulley machining.? As was discussed early in this thread, I do not use the drill press constantly & it is working as is.? So this is not an immediate necessity.

--
Bruce Varner

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Mike, what you need to see is in the attachment to this email from John Wilshusen.

/g/atlas-craftsman/message/107056

HTH!

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)




On Friday, April 17, 2020, 11:26:55 AM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:


??? ??? well I guess I'm not decent , or at least a decent machinist

??? ??? animal

On 4/16/2020 9:26 PM, Guenther Paul wrote:
Any decent machinist should know how to grind cutting tool for his machining job

GP


On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 7:33:53 PM EDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:


??? ??? any one have any pic's of the tool profile they use for makin pulleys ?

??? ??? animal

On 4/16/2020 2:46 PM, Dave Matticks wrote:
John,
Nice article! Procedure look good, I'd use different tooling but same idea.
Not going to make one for this episode but I have made a pulley or 2 in the past.
Trued up a couple die cast ones as well, some are near useless out of the box.
Not only made in USA but 2 miles from my house!

Dave

On April 16, 2020 at 1:02 PM "John Wilshusen via groups.io" <wilshusen@...> wrote:

Bruce,
One additional thing to add to your literature pile. ?I read and applied what i learned in this write-up when I was making the motor pulley for my lathe. ?You might find it useful as well.

?
?

Good luck!
John

?

On Apr 16, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Jim Irwin <jimairwin@...> wrote:

So you're planning to create a pulley, eh? I'd really like to see a video of that!?
Most of us have to settle for fabricating things.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 7:00 PM Dave Matticks < dpm100@...> wrote:
Bruce,
Yeah, 7075 is expensive but 6061 would work better than fine. 7075 just cuts so nice.
Going cast iron is not going to save any money regardless of how you do it unless you pour it yourself!
They don't carry round 7075 but you might get a good price on 6061 from Clinton Aluminum.
McMaster Carr can surprise you sometimes.
Alro sucks price wise!
Have fun,

Dave
On April 15, 2020 at 7:46 AM exerpd+groupsio@... wrote:

Thanks all!

?

Glenn N – Yes, Robert Downs put this file in the files section.

?

Brad – How can 3-D printing & casting & machining be less expensive than the piece of aluminum?

?

Kay – Thanks for the Speedy Metals link.

?

Robert Downs / Guenther Paul – Thanks for the suggestions on how to machine it more easily.

?

Kay Davis / Dave Matticks – 7075 seems much more expensive than the other aluminum choices.

?

Craig Treleaven – Thanks for filling me in on the edits I make causing problems.? I get the update only daily, so do not have this problem.? The only times I do this instead of a separate post, is when I have grammar or formatting errors.? It seems like every group has different formatting defaults.? And in this group you cannot see what the final formatting is going to look like until AFTER you post.? Will try to be more careful.

?

So everyone understands, it may be a while before I create this aluminum pulley.? I will update everyone when I complete this or have questions.? Prior to November, I did not even own a lathe, so I am new to this & still learning.? What might be easy to some, is new to me.? I am going to a) wait a little while to see if I can locate an OEM 60-29 pulley.? b) If not, then I will do the aluminum pulley machining.? As was discussed early in this thread, I do not use the drill press constantly & it is working as is.? So this is not an immediate necessity.

--
Bruce Varner

?

?

?


?


Re: Need Pulley for Craftsman Speed-Reducing Attachment

 

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??? ??? well I guess I'm not decent , or at least a decent machinist

??? ??? animal

On 4/16/2020 9:26 PM, Guenther Paul wrote:

Any decent machinist should know how to grind cutting tool for his machining job

GP


On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 7:33:53 PM EDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:


??? ??? any one have any pic's of the tool profile they use for makin pulleys ?

??? ??? animal

On 4/16/2020 2:46 PM, Dave Matticks wrote:
John,
Nice article! Procedure look good, I'd use different tooling but same idea.
Not going to make one for this episode but I have made a pulley or 2 in the past.
Trued up a couple die cast ones as well, some are near useless out of the box.
Not only made in USA but 2 miles from my house!

Dave

On April 16, 2020 at 1:02 PM "John Wilshusen via groups.io" <wilshusen@...> wrote:

Bruce,
One additional thing to add to your literature pile. ?I read and applied what i learned in this write-up when I was making the motor pulley for my lathe. ?You might find it useful as well.

?
?

Good luck!
John

?

On Apr 16, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Jim Irwin <jimairwin@...> wrote:

So you're planning to create a pulley, eh? I'd really like to see a video of that!?
Most of us have to settle for fabricating things.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 7:00 PM Dave Matticks < dpm100@...> wrote:
Bruce,
Yeah, 7075 is expensive but 6061 would work better than fine. 7075 just cuts so nice.
Going cast iron is not going to save any money regardless of how you do it unless you pour it yourself!
They don't carry round 7075 but you might get a good price on 6061 from Clinton Aluminum.
McMaster Carr can surprise you sometimes.
Alro sucks price wise!
Have fun,

Dave
On April 15, 2020 at 7:46 AM exerpd+groupsio@... wrote:

Thanks all!

?

Glenn N – Yes, Robert Downs put this file in the files section.

?

Brad – How can 3-D printing & casting & machining be less expensive than the piece of aluminum?

?

Kay – Thanks for the Speedy Metals link.

?

Robert Downs / Guenther Paul – Thanks for the suggestions on how to machine it more easily.

?

Kay Davis / Dave Matticks – 7075 seems much more expensive than the other aluminum choices.

?

Craig Treleaven – Thanks for filling me in on the edits I make causing problems.? I get the update only daily, so do not have this problem.? The only times I do this instead of a separate post, is when I have grammar or formatting errors.? It seems like every group has different formatting defaults.? And in this group you cannot see what the final formatting is going to look like until AFTER you post.? Will try to be more careful.

?

So everyone understands, it may be a while before I create this aluminum pulley.? I will update everyone when I complete this or have questions.? Prior to November, I did not even own a lathe, so I am new to this & still learning.? What might be easy to some, is new to me.? I am going to a) wait a little while to see if I can locate an OEM 60-29 pulley.? b) If not, then I will do the aluminum pulley machining.? As was discussed early in this thread, I do not use the drill press constantly & it is working as is.? So this is not an immediate necessity.

--
Bruce Varner

?

?

?


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