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Re: Atlas MF horizontal mill, power feed gears

 

My printer is only capable of printing 8.5 X 11 sheets.

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Re: 10F lathe

 

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Originally, the nameplate was on the rear of the bed and the serial number, sometimes with prefix or suffix letters, was stamped into the top of the front way near the right end.? I am trying to pin down about when that changed, and whether the changes partially overlapped.? Note that AFAIK, the stamped serial numbers did not have any leading zeros but the ones on the nameplates did.

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Guenther Paul
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 07:32
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 10F lathe

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Look on the tail stock end of the bed there is a plate it will tell what you have?

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GP

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On Saturday, February 16, 2019, 1:57:31 AM EST, Robert Downs via Groups.Io <wa5cab@...> wrote:

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I don’t have a 10” of any vintage, but if you are relatively certain that the bed is the original one, then Serial Number above about 009000.? I say About because we have a gap from a 10D @ 008635 and a 10F @ 009552.? The other significant differences between the two (3/4” dia. lead screw, 2-piece carriage, power cross feed, etc.) are common upgrades.? The tailstocks are also different, but we don’t know for certain that the change over coincided exactly with the model change.? And of course, it’s an easy swap.? The headstock changed in 1942 and most 10F’s will have the newer one.? But not all.? And judging by what happened with the MK2, all of the changes probably didn’t happen on the same day.

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan Gorodenski
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 22:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] 10F lathe

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Does anyone in this group have a 10F lathe in the configuration as it
was originally sold? I guess the catch is how does one know it is a 10F?
I wouldn't have known my Atlas is a 10F were it not for being told it is
one.
Stan

Atlas 10F And Craftsman Survey for Serial Number & Nameplate Locations

 

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If you have an Atlas 10F or Craftsman 101.07362, 101.07382 or 101.07402 or 101.07363, 101.07383 or 101.07403 and it was made in or prior to about 1945, please reply direct to wa5cab@... with the following:

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Serial Number

Model Number

Bed Length

Bearing dates (if known)

Location of nameplate (rear of bed of right end of bed)

Location of serial number (right end of front way or nameplate or both)

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If nameplate is missing, please report location of nameplate mounting screw holes and any of the other requested information that you know.

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Guenther Paul
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 07:32
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] 10F lathe

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Look on the tail stock end of the bed there is a plate it will tell what you have?

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GP

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On Saturday, February 16, 2019, 1:57:31 AM EST, Robert Downs via Groups.Io <wa5cab@...> wrote:

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I don’t have a 10” of any vintage, but if you are relatively certain that the bed is the original one, then Serial Number above about 009000.? I say About because we have a gap from a 10D @ 008635 and a 10F @ 009552.? The other significant differences between the two (3/4” dia. lead screw, 2-piece carriage, power cross feed, etc.) are common upgrades.? The tailstocks are also different, but we don’t know for certain that the change over coincided exactly with the model change.? And of course, it’s an easy swap.? The headstock changed in 1942 and most 10F’s will have the newer one.? But not all.? And judging by what happened with the MK2, all of the changes probably didn’t happen on the same day.

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan Gorodenski
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 22:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] 10F lathe

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Does anyone in this group have a 10F lathe in the configuration as it
was originally sold? I guess the catch is how does one know it is a 10F?
I wouldn't have known my Atlas is a 10F were it not for being told it is
one.
Stan

Other digital readouts

 

I own three metal lathes, a South Bend 9 inch and two 618 lathes, one Atlas and one Craftsman.? I have read dozens of articles of DRO retrofits and have purchased inexpensive aluminum scaled LCD readouts for both. ? However I have never installed the? readouts because every time I start I don't like the locations available, how it will have to attach to the surfaces, etc.? In the course of several starts and stops on permanent installation, I made several very inexpensive temporary tools I would like to share.

These readouts are made from digital tire tread readouts that you can buy for under $10 each.? They use lithium batteries that can be bought at Dollar Tree stores for $0.50 each and the batteries last a long time.? I made my first in under an hour and it was so handy I have made several more for lathes and I also use one on my table saw and planer in my wood shop.? As the photos show, I cut the ears off, epoxied on several small magnets on the body, and made a magnetic end piece.? Not obvious is after removing the factory label I disassembled the unit and carefully sanded the surfaces causing friction on the sliding piece to have almost no friction and re assembled.? I epoxied the blade from a razor utility knife to body along with 8 small thin magnets.? I epoxied another small magnet to the end of a small piece of brass hobby tubing for the end of the movable slide.? In the version shown, I ground down the plastic to lightly slip fit the brass tubing.? I bought the small magnets for a few dollars on ebay.

This has turned out to be very handy and I use them all the time.

Dallas
Re: glass scales for atlas 12" lathe #3986

 

I am going to do this on my 12x36, I need pictures!!

Thanks,

Ralph


On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 10:42 PM Chris Fulmer <caf1182@...> wrote:
The normal method is to flip it so the long peice is mounted to the cross slide and the read head is in between the ‘horns’. More space and less movement of the cable.

Also add a bolt or other stop block so that it doesn’t get smashed into the tail stock.

Chris f
Re: 10F lathe

 

Look on the tail stock end of the bed there is a plate it will tell what you have?

GP


On Saturday, February 16, 2019, 1:57:31 AM EST, Robert Downs via Groups.Io <wa5cab@...> wrote:


I don’t have a 10” of any vintage, but if you are relatively certain that the bed is the original one, then Serial Number above about 009000.? I say About because we have a gap from a 10D @ 008635 and a 10F @ 009552.? The other significant differences between the two (3/4” dia. lead screw, 2-piece carriage, power cross feed, etc.) are common upgrades.? The tailstocks are also different, but we don’t know for certain that the change over coincided exactly with the model change.? And of course, it’s an easy swap.? The headstock changed in 1942 and most 10F’s will have the newer one.? But not all.? And judging by what happened with the MK2, all of the changes probably didn’t happen on the same day.

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan Gorodenski
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 22:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] 10F lathe

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Does anyone in this group have a 10F lathe in the configuration as it
was originally sold? I guess the catch is how does one know it is a 10F?
I wouldn't have known my Atlas is a 10F were it not for being told it is
one.
Stan

Re: 10F lathe

 

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I don’t have a 10” of any vintage, but if you are relatively certain that the bed is the original one, then Serial Number above about 009000.? I say About because we have a gap from a 10D @ 008635 and a 10F @ 009552.? The other significant differences between the two (3/4” dia. lead screw, 2-piece carriage, power cross feed, etc.) are common upgrades.? The tailstocks are also different, but we don’t know for certain that the change over coincided exactly with the model change.? And of course, it’s an easy swap.? The headstock changed in 1942 and most 10F’s will have the newer one.? But not all.? And judging by what happened with the MK2, all of the changes probably didn’t happen on the same day.

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan Gorodenski
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 22:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] 10F lathe

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Does anyone in this group have a 10F lathe in the configuration as it
was originally sold? I guess the catch is how does one know it is a 10F?
I wouldn't have known my Atlas is a 10F were it not for being told it is
one.
Stan

Re: Atlas MF horizontal mill, power feed gears

 

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OK.? Can your remaining printer print 11x17 or only 8-1/2x11?

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of j7g3jj via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 18:24
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Atlas MF horizontal mill, power feed gears

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Well, actually, the name plate says MF. ?I found it at a flea market around 20 years ago.

It came with a 2 groove spindle pulley which was badly worn and damaged. ?I machined up a replacement 4 groove spindle pulley and matching counter shaft pulley, so combined with ?2 groove motor and countershaft pulleys I now can do 8 speeds, not counting using the back gear. ?A new belt and bearings are installed and the spindle work is all done.

It had a damaged 24 tooth gear (M6-101-24) in the Change-o-Matic feed gear cluster, those that mesh with the tumbler reverse gears. ?I bought a 24 DP cutter and had intended to make a a replacement gear, but never got around to it. ?I recently found an OEM replacement gear so am now wanting to put this Change-o-Matic gear cluster back together. ?

And, as luck would have it, my color printer that did best custom image size increase and decrease just died and I am down to my back up black and white laser printer. ?I am having a problem with custom image sizing with this printer, so not now able to magnify and print out magnified copies. ? And also, the resolution is not what I would like. ?A replacement for this printer is purchased, but not yet set up and operating.

So, if you could enlarge copy, scan, and upload the assembly arrangement of this Change-O-Matic gear cluster, it would be most appreciated. I would think this would be helpful to others too, since I was not able to find this particular assembly image anywhere on the net.

Thanks for your interest in my problem.

10F lathe

 

Does anyone in this group have a 10F lathe in the configuration as it
was originally sold? I guess the catch is how does one know it is a 10F?
I wouldn't have known my Atlas is a 10F were it not for being told it is
one.
Stan
Re: glass scales for atlas 12" lathe #3986

 

The normal method is to flip it so the long peice is mounted to the cross slide and the read head is in between the ‘horns’. More space and less movement of the cable.

Also add a bolt or other stop block so that it doesn’t get smashed into the tail stock.

Chris f
Re: glass scales for atlas 12" lathe #3986

 

Check with Dennis Hahn at Mataco, Inc. (matacoinc@...). He's sourcing scales for our SB16x72 which will take a 54" scale. I believe that scales are readily available up to 1.5M (~60") and maybe up to 2.5M (~100")...Dennis will know for sure.
Re: Atlas MF horizontal mill, power feed gears

 

Well, actually, the name plate says MF. ?I found it at a flea market around 20 years ago.

It came with a 2 groove spindle pulley which was badly worn and damaged. ?I machined up a replacement 4 groove spindle pulley and matching counter shaft pulley, so combined with ?2 groove motor and countershaft pulleys I now can do 8 speeds, not counting using the back gear. ?A new belt and bearings are installed and the spindle work is all done.

It had a damaged 24 tooth gear (M6-101-24) in the Change-o-Matic feed gear cluster, those that mesh with the tumbler reverse gears. ?I bought a 24 DP cutter and had intended to make a a replacement gear, but never got around to it. ?I recently found an OEM replacement gear so am now wanting to put this Change-o-Matic gear cluster back together. ?

And, as luck would have it, my color printer that did best custom image size increase and decrease just died and I am down to my back up black and white laser printer. ?I am having a problem with custom image sizing with this printer, so not now able to magnify and print out magnified copies. ? And also, the resolution is not what I would like. ?A replacement for this printer is purchased, but not yet set up and operating.

So, if you could enlarge copy, scan, and upload the assembly arrangement of this Change-O-Matic gear cluster, it would be most appreciated. I would think this would be helpful to others too, since I was not able to find this particular assembly image anywhere on the net.

Thanks for your interest in my problem.
Re: Tachometer for 12" Atlas

 

Guenther, this is about reading spindle speed not controlling it!

Ralph

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 5:11 PM jmartin957 <jmartin957@...> via Groups.Io <jmartin957=[email protected]> wrote:

And your machines are much happier, too.? The Atlas was designed for less than 1 HP, and there are lots of parts - the back gears, the bull gear lock pin, etc. - that could easily be broken by too much power.


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From: Andrei <calciu1@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2019 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Tachometer for 12" Atlas

He mentioned 3hp. I am happy with 1hp for my machines

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ralph Hulslander <rhulslander@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 4:05:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Tachometer for 12" Atlas
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Why 3hp? Besides that is what treadmill motors are.

I doubt these lathes and mills need much more hp than what they were designed?for.

One might be throwing money at things that don't really need it.

Of course I upgrade both my mill and my 14" Delta bandsaw with a 3/4 hp BLDC motor.

I will also do my 12x36 Craftsman lathe.

Ralph

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:26 PM Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
do you mind doing a show and tell on the 3Hp motor conversion? I have been thinking of getting a DC motor for my lathe and for the horizontal milling machine i have.?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of ncwonline@... <ncwonline@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 3:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Tachometer for 12" Atlas
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Just had a look at the ELS link and saw this >> Spindle Optical Sensor.

Would that not do what you need if you go with the ELS?

If you are going that route, ELS, why not also upgrade to a larger DC motor? I have converted my Bridgeport mill and my craftsman 12" lathe to 3 HP DC motors using ether LEESON & Pacific scientific motors from treadmills. These are full on commercial treadmill motors not the usual plastic junk treadmill motors.

For speed control I am using KB electronics units. These can be wired into a control unit that can output PWM style signal and thus might be controlled by a ELS style control unit.

I have had my lathe re-powered with the 3 hp pacific scientific motor and KB controller for about 6 months and it is the single best mod you can ever do to your atlas/craftsman lathe. I simply love love love it.

If I were to do that now though, I would look into a 3 phase motor and VFD control instead of the DC. I think if you could score a good used 3 phase motor and use a new VFD it would be affordable.

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Re: Atlas MF horizontal mill, power feed gears

 

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Do you actually have a 16-speed MF or is it an MFA, MFB or MFC?

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When you speak of the power feed gears, are you referring to the gears on the rear with the FWD-OFF-REV Tumbler or the gears in the table?

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The drawings on the pages in the manual can easily be magnified up to maybe 3X or ?4X and printed.? But the some of the drawings are still going to be “busy” as there are a lot of small parts in a relatively small volume.? When you have answered my questions, if you wish I can upload a magnified version of whatever you are working on.

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of j7g3jj via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 11:00
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Atlas MF horizontal mill, power feed gears

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Yes, those videos are really nice.

What I am looking for is a page that I can print out and refer to when putting everything back together. ?

Except for the page in the manual, which is really too small and too busy, I haven't found this so far.?

Lathe parts from a 101.07043 FS

BRIAN GLACKIN
 

For sale a variety of parts from a dismantled Sears 12 X 36 lathe.

Headstock, bed and tailstock are gone. Pictures of parts;



$50 for the lot.

Location: Near Reading, PA.

Email or PM me.

Brian
Re: Atlas MF horizontal mill, power feed gears

 

Yes, those videos are really nice.

What I am looking for is a page that I can print out and refer to when putting everything back together. ?

Except for the page in the manual, which is really too small and too busy, I haven't found this so far.?
Re: glass scales for atlas 12" lathe #3986

 

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No, 25.4 is exact since July of 1959..? Prior to that time, the US inch was about 0.000002” longer and the English inch was about 0.0000017” shorter.? That is 2 microinches and 1.7 microinches respectively.

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So to convert inches to millitetres multiply by 25.400000.? To convert millimeters to inches, divide by 25.400000.? Or you can divide or multiply by 0.0.93700787042.? Most people will find 25.4 easier to remember.?

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jody
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 19:50
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] glass scales for atlas 12" lathe #3986

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Approximately 25.4mm=1"

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From: mike allen <animal@...>
Date: 2/14/19 4:41 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] glass scales for atlas 12" lathe #3986

??? ??? ??? google " 50.5 inches to mm" there's a cazillion conversions online

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On 2/14/2019 2:27 PM, Eric Chilton via Groups.Io wrote:

hi im in a position where i can purchase a 2 axes dro for my lathe..........its on ebay for less than 200.00.....the person selling it has good feedback so im not worried about that......i just need to know what length of scales i need for the bed and the cross slide ......they are listed in mm and im not sure how long i should get ......i measured the cross slide its 10" long and the bed roughly is 50 1/2 ...i know i wouldn't need them all the way end to end....im also considering if i want to put a taper attachment on my lathe if that would cause a problem ? the x axes im assuming is the travel down the bed length ways and the cross slide being x .....on the cross slide whether to mount it to the front or to the rear of the cross slide .....any help with this would be much appreciated .............tia ............Eric

Re: glass scales for atlas 12" lathe #3986

 

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Eric,

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This post only applies to the last part of what I will call your second sentence – the proper name for what you referred to as Horns.? On a lathe, the major part that moves back and forth along the bed is pretty commonly called the carriage.? If the carriage is in two parts bolted together, the horizontal part that actually slides along the bed is most commonly called the saddle.? The vertical part that is attached to the front of the saddle casting is most commonly called the apron.? The most common names for the parts that you referred to as the horns are legs and arms.? There are four of them and they would be most commonly referred to as for example the right front leg, etc.? Unfortunately, different manufacturers are prone to using different names for some of these parts.? Only “carriage” and “apron” would appear to be pretty much universal.

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Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Chilton via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 19:19
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] glass scales for atlas 12" lathe #3986

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i have converted the measurements over before i posted this thread .....the seller offers 100mm to like 1000mm .im thinking a 45 inch long one for the bed its the easy one but at the carriage the scale would have to sit on the two horns i guess that's what you would call them .....and the scales with the sliding part that does the measuring is 53mm or just a little over 2" tall .....that part of the carriage is roughly that thick......these lathes weren't designed for new technology lol ......i could geta short scale for the carriage and put it in between but i just wanna make sure im gonna have enough travel ......in the future im gonna machine my mla tee cross slide and have two tool post on it ........looking at cdco scales for a 12x36 lathe? they sell 13 inch and 45 inch in there kit ...ive looked at the igauging ones and they look nice and usable .....dto they plug into the wall ac ? they would probably be easier to mount ...but do you get bolt pattern and all the fancy stuff with them as you do with the regular type of dro .....ive welded for the last 25 years and my eyes are about shot ......i need to upgrade bad .................eric.....

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Thanks Steve.? I got this today as well and haven't looked yet.
-Jody


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Re: glass scales for atlas 12" lathe #3986

 

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Approximately 25.4mm=1"


-------- Original message --------
From: mike allen <animal@...>
Date: 2/14/19 4:41 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] glass scales for atlas 12" lathe #3986

??? ??? ??? google " 50.5 inches to mm" there's a cazillion conversions online

??? ??? animal


On 2/14/2019 2:27 PM, Eric Chilton via Groups.Io wrote:
hi im in a position where i can purchase a 2 axes dro for my lathe..........its on ebay for less than 200.00.....the person selling it has good feedback so im not worried about that......i just need to know what length of scales i need for the bed and the cross slide ......they are listed in mm and im not sure how long i should get ......i measured the cross slide its 10" long and the bed roughly is 50 1/2 ...i know i wouldn't need them all the way end to end....im also considering if i want to put a taper attachment on my lathe if that would cause a problem ? the x axes im assuming is the travel down the bed length ways and the cross slide being x .....on the cross slide whether to mount it to the front or to the rear of the cross slide .....any help with this would be much appreciated .............tia ............Eric

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