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Re: AXA or BXA
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI am guessing you live in the Dallas area since I saw the same deal here and almost bought him out. ?The issue for me is leaded steels are less than ideal for gun receivers or barrels and are difficult to weld or heat treat. ?Charles On Jan 16, 2019, at 7:19 PM, James Rice <james.rice@...> wrote:
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Re: AXA or BXA
James Rice
Eccentric Engineering's total price for a set of two 9.5mm holders and the grinding jig including shipping is $180.00USD.? Village Press is charging $240 for the same set plus shipping.? If I ordered the 20mm set for my 16" lathe shipping would go up to $115 total.?? James On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 4:18 PM Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
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Re: AXA or BXA
James Rice
I bought the 9.5mm version back when it was called a A9.5.? It was listed for lathes of 9" to 12" swing.? I didn't have the South Bend 9A back then but I felt the next size they carried was a B16 was going to be too large for the Atlas Craftsman 12x36.? As it turned out the 9.5 size has been perfect for both lathes.? What I wish I had purchased at the time was a T6 or 6mm version that takes a 1/8" bit. It was for a 3" to 6" swing lathe which would have been perfect for my 6x18 Atlas-Craftsman lathe. I later bought a set of the new style 9.5mm holders which have a different angle on the tool holder compared to the older version but use the same bit geometry.? I think I'm about to order a 20mm set for my South Bend 16" but I'm going to continue my project to make several of my own type of holder just to see how they turn out.?? I haven't been spending much time in the shop for the past couple of years.? I spent the last 4 years at the local community college taking 4 semesters of welding and 3 semesters of auto body classes.? I have this spring semester to go and I'll be finished with the auto body courses and will receive associated degrees number 3 and 4 in May as well as the 3 AWS welding certifications I've already earned. So I've been thinking about new shop projects to tackle and old ones to finish.? To forward those intentions, I recently purchased 20 bars of 1-3/8"x72" 41L40 steel as well as 5-600# of 416SS and 41L40 cutoffs the same diameter and in assorted lengths of 3" to 12" from a gun receiver maker who advertised them on Craigslist for $5 a bar.? He sold me the lot of cutoffs for $20 dollars more.? Since the going rate for a 1-3/8"x72" bar of 41L40 is $185 and the rate for 416SS bar is $6.25 an inch at the metal suppliers, I jumped on it. The guy originally had almost 100 bars to sell but some other hobby machinists got there first so I took what he had left.? It was close to half a ton of oil hardening and free machining tool and stainless steel for a bargain price. So as my lovely wife puts it, "I have some more innocent pieces of metal to torture".? James? |
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Re: Carriage Stop and Indicator
Jody: Agree.? I think you are right on point.? No need for an indicator if you have DRO.? But the stop comes in handy at times if you're in a hurry or are just lazy, like me.?? Adding XY DRO's (dumb, but effective and cheap I-Gaging DRO's) to the Atlas was one of the best upgrades I made, second only to the QCTP. Bill
On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 11:50:35 AM PST, Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:
Guenther, You make a good point about the swarf.? I was using mine on a mighty mag and had it setup up behind the carriage.? It worked ok, with exception of the magnet part of it.? I'm thinking of doing something that can hold the indicator and have a stop between the indicator and the ways.? Doing this I can take my measurements with the dial and then set my stop and then take the dial out of the holder to keep it away from the swarf. Thanks for mentioning that, I didn't think about that aspect of it yet.? Maybe I just go all DRO and forget this...Haha! Thanks for the input, swarf is now going to be taken into account. -Jody |
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Re: Atlas metal lathe manual
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý???, ? Your lathe is a Babbit bearing Series 10F.? It was made around September of 1942. ? You can unload a parts manual for the 10F from the Group Files section.? ? The Owner¡¯s or Operator¡¯s manual will be the correct version of the Atlas Manual of Lathe Operation (or MOLO for short).? Because the final edition is still available from Clausing (so it is still in print), we have elected to play it safe and not upload earlier versions of the MOLO to Files.? Originals show up regularly on eBay.? Average price is around $25 to $35.? Most sellers have no idea that there were 10 (at least) different versions and 33 Editions printed between 1937 and 1988.? If you download the MOLO History documents (two) from Files, they will tell you what version you need and how to identify it.? The choice is made more complicated because Atlas did not begin putting the print year and Edition number on the Copyright page until the 16th edition in 1953.? Those (one for Atlas and one for Craftsman) have no information on the Babbit spindle bearings.? So the one you want will first off only say Copyright 1937 on the Copyright page.? Then on the change gear chart it should say in part ¡°10F Series¡±, instead of Craftsman or 6¡±.? Beyond that, read the History and the Selection chart.? If you have any remaining questions after that, ask them. ? PS:? Please sign your posts. ? Robert Downs WA5CAB ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of blw6772 via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 15:58 To: [email protected] Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] Atlas metal lathe manual ? Hey , l have purchased a V48 Atlas metal lathe Serial # 039466 . Anyone know any way l can get a parts manual / owners manual ? Any reprints or Vintage press company¡¯s out there ? I have been searching high and low ?. Any help will |
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Re: AXA or BXA
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From: James Rice <james.rice@...> Date: 1/16/19 4:12 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA I just checked online and according to the pdf use manual they have linked, they still use 3/16" square blanks. James On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 3:32 PM Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:
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Re: AXA or BXA
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThanks Andrei.That's pretty steep. Sure the grinding jig makes things nice but $200 is a chunk. -Jody -------- Original message --------
From: Andrei <calciu1@...> Date: 1/16/19 4:18 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA
Two Diamond holders (Left and Right) and a grinding jig for the bit run $129 plus shipping from Australia. I am going to guess it will cost between 20 and 50 bucks for shipping, depending on how fast you want it delivered (20 by sea and 50 by air, maybe?).
For our US members the shipping follow the old addage: "one if by land and two if by sea"
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jody <jp4lsu@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 4:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ?
Thank you for all the info James.
I know the Wimberley isn't terribly expensive, but I haven't looked at the Diamond prices.
I thought the Wimberley used 1/4" bits.?
Thanks again,
Jody
-------- Original message -------- From: James Rice <james.rice@...> Date: 1/16/19 2:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA They are in the same class of tool, the tangential tool holder but they are totally different.? Different bit geometry and design.? Neither one is better in my 6 years of experience of using both. In different situations
and materials, I use each.? On 416 stainless the Diamond gives a better finish. On 41L40 or 12L14 it's pretty close to a wash.? Sometimes I'll not be satisfied with the finish I'm getting with one holder or another on some piece of mystery metal so if I switch
types it will improve dramatically.? No clue why it just works that way.? I find the bit for the Diamond is easier to sharpen and grind but that may be due to the grinding jig supplied by Eccentric Engineering.? My Diamond sets use 1/4" square bits, the Wimberley
uses 3/16" bits.? I wish I had bought the mini holder from Diamond while they still offered it as I really would like a 1/8" bit holder for the Atlas 6x18 but it's been discontinued.??
Yes, Village Press bought Baycom out when the owners wanted to retire so they are repping the Eccentric Engineering line in the US.
On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 7:34 AM Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:
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Re: AXA or BXA
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Two Diamond holders (Left and Right) and a grinding jig for the bit run $129 plus shipping from Australia. I am going to guess it will cost between 20 and 50 bucks for shipping, depending on how fast you want it delivered (20 by sea and 50 by air, maybe?).
For our US members the shipping follow the old addage: "one if by land and two if by sea"
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jody <jp4lsu@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 4:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA ?
Thank you for all the info James.
I know the Wimberley isn't terribly expensive, but I haven't looked at the Diamond prices.
I thought the Wimberley used 1/4" bits.?
Thanks again,
Jody
-------- Original message -------- From: James Rice <james.rice@...> Date: 1/16/19 2:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA They are in the same class of tool, the tangential tool holder but they are totally different.? Different bit geometry and design.? Neither one is better in my 6 years of experience of using both. In different situations
and materials, I use each.? On 416 stainless the Diamond gives a better finish. On 41L40 or 12L14 it's pretty close to a wash.? Sometimes I'll not be satisfied with the finish I'm getting with one holder or another on some piece of mystery metal so if I switch
types it will improve dramatically.? No clue why it just works that way.? I find the bit for the Diamond is easier to sharpen and grind but that may be due to the grinding jig supplied by Eccentric Engineering.? My Diamond sets use 1/4" square bits, the Wimberley
uses 3/16" bits.? I wish I had bought the mini holder from Diamond while they still offered it as I really would like a 1/8" bit holder for the Atlas 6x18 but it's been discontinued.??
Yes, Village Press bought Baycom out when the owners wanted to retire so they are repping the Eccentric Engineering line in the US.
On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 7:34 AM Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:
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Re: AXA or BXA
James Rice
I just checked online and according to the pdf use manual they have linked, they still use 3/16" square blanks. James On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 3:32 PM Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:
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Re: AXA or BXA
James Rice
The Wimberley toolholders I have take 3/16" square bits. They may have changed as these are 5-6 years old. James On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 3:32 PM Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:
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Re: AXA or BXA
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThank you for all the info James.I know the Wimberley isn't terribly expensive, but I haven't looked at the Diamond prices. I thought the Wimberley used 1/4" bits.? Thanks again, Jody -------- Original message --------
From: James Rice <james.rice@...> Date: 1/16/19 2:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] AXA or BXA They are in the same class of tool, the tangential tool holder but they are totally different.? Different bit geometry and design.? Neither one is better in my 6 years of experience of using both. In different situations and materials, I use each.? On 416 stainless the Diamond gives a better finish. On 41L40 or 12L14 it's pretty close to a wash.? Sometimes I'll not be satisfied with the finish I'm getting with one holder or another on some piece of mystery metal so if I switch types it will improve dramatically.? No clue why it just works that way.? I find the bit for the Diamond is easier to sharpen and grind but that may be due to the grinding jig supplied by Eccentric Engineering.? My Diamond sets use 1/4" square bits, the Wimberley uses 3/16" bits.? I wish I had bought the mini holder from Diamond while they still offered it as I really would like a 1/8" bit holder for the Atlas 6x18 but it's been discontinued.?? Yes, Village Press bought Baycom out when the owners wanted to retire so they are repping the Eccentric Engineering line in the US. On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 7:34 AM Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:
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Re: AXA or BXA
James Rice
They are in the same class of tool, the tangential tool holder but they are totally different.? Different bit geometry and design.? Neither one is better in my 6 years of experience of using both. In different situations and materials, I use each.? On 416 stainless the Diamond gives a better finish. On 41L40 or 12L14 it's pretty close to a wash.? Sometimes I'll not be satisfied with the finish I'm getting with one holder or another on some piece of mystery metal so if I switch types it will improve dramatically.? No clue why it just works that way.? I find the bit for the Diamond is easier to sharpen and grind but that may be due to the grinding jig supplied by Eccentric Engineering.? My Diamond sets use 1/4" square bits, the Wimberley uses 3/16" bits.? I wish I had bought the mini holder from Diamond while they still offered it as I really would like a 1/8" bit holder for the Atlas 6x18 but it's been discontinued.?? Yes, Village Press bought Baycom out when the owners wanted to retire so they are repping the Eccentric Engineering line in the US. On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 7:34 AM Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:
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Re: Carriage Stop and Indicator
Guenther,
You make a good point about the swarf.? I was using mine on a mighty mag and had it setup up behind the carriage.? It worked ok, with exception of the magnet part of it.? I'm thinking of doing something that can hold the indicator and have a stop between the indicator and the ways.? Doing this I can take my measurements with the dial and then set my stop and then take the dial out of the holder to keep it away from the swarf. Thanks for mentioning that, I didn't think about that aspect of it yet.? Maybe I just go all DRO and forget this...Haha! Thanks for the input, swarf is now going to be taken into account. -Jody |
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Re: Carriage Stop and Indicator
The 2nd pic looks easy enough.? Without a mill that would be something I could handle, minus the indexing and stamping.? The idea on the printed is a pattern I've thought about.? I was thinking of having just a plain threaded stop between the ways and dial.? I would need to see what surfaces each would hit on.
Thank you for the pics, Steve. -Jody |
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Re: Carriage Stop and Indicator
Bill,
Good job on the stops and indicator holder.? I saw those at Tall Grass.? Do you have an indexer or did you rig something on the lathe? I like the idea of having a mounting stud for your dial.? I might rob that idea.? Maybe I'll hang the dial off the side so that it hits a spot on the carriage that is further out. Thanks for the pics. |
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Re: Carriage Stop and Indicator
Ok, thanks Dan, I'll look those up.? I picked up a 2" travel indicator and need something to put it on besides my Mighty Mag.
My biggest hurdle will be the lack of a mill.? I could use aluminum and any little pockets I might need to mill I might be able to get away with it on my drill press and x-y vice. -Jody |
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Re: Carriage Stop and Indicator
I would not recommend a indicator in the front of the carriage do to all the swarf a carriage stop is ok. The holding bracket going across the bed is totally a no the amount of travel of the carriage is reduced
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Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Carriage Stop and Indicator To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 11:31 AM Jody: Here is a photo of a carriage stop on my Atlas QC-42.? Built from plans available on Tom Technique's website. I also show that same stop adapted to fit my Smithy 3-in-1 to include an indicator holder. Bill On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 5:00:38 AM PST, Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote: Hey guys, I've been googling pictures for a dial indicator holder for the carriage with possibly a carriage stop as well. I have seen to nice ideas and have a couple of my own but am wondering what you guys are using. Thanks, Jody |
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Re: Carriage Stop and Indicator
Photos of OEM Atlas micrometer carriage stop, micrometer carriage stop I bought from an eBay seller years back, and 3D printed plastic indicator holder that I received for prototype trial about a year ago from a fellow that posts to this group. Pretty simple to make these if you need a project or find for sale on eBay. Have fun making chips.
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