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Old Old HO camelback 0-4-0-can anyone identify this engine...the motor is vertically mounted?

 




Got this at a train show.? Looks like an old Mantua but the motor is vertically mounted with the worm protruding
from the bottom (see pictures).? Hoseeker shows Pittman type motors in the Mantua "goats"??????
 

I think that may be an old International brass import, from the late '50's/early '60's.??

DM


-----Original Message-----
From: George Galyon via Groups.Io <redvdub1@...>
To: YardbirdTrains <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 31, 2018 12:17 pm
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Old Old HO camelback 0-4-0-can anyone identify this engine...the motor is vertically mounted?




Got this at a train show.? Looks like an old Mantua but the motor is vertically mounted with the worm protruding
from the bottom (see pictures).? Hoseeker shows Pittman type motors in the Mantua "goats"??????

 

Hello George , this loco is likely a New One . 3 things? to look at ? Mantua Goat tenders are held to their frames by screws that hold the shell to the frame . This one is clean ? The stack is tapered on the loco Mantuas are not . Last but not least Mantua mounted their maotors horizontal not vertical . Early made small locos mouted their motors vertical for simplicity and spce for clearances .Brass locos , LMB , GHC , early AHM ?? Hopes this helps some ?? ? Henry?
 

http://www.hoseeker.net/internationalmodelinc/internationalmodelincpg03.jpg

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From: "Deane Mellander via Groups.Io"
Sent: Oct 31, 2018 10:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Old Old HO camelback 0-4-0-can anyone identify this engine...the motor is vertically mounted?

I think that may be an old International brass import, from the late '50's/early '60's.??

DM


-----Original Message-----
From: George Galyon via Groups.Io <redvdub1@...>
To: YardbirdTrains <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 31, 2018 12:17 pm
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Old Old HO camelback 0-4-0-can anyone identify this engine...the motor is vertically mounted?




Got this at a train show.? Looks like an old Mantua but the motor is vertically mounted with the worm protruding
from the bottom (see pictures).? Hoseeker shows Pittman type motors in the Mantua "goats"??????

 

I don't think this is a New One Model, they were diecast and this one looks like it is brass.? Both International and Aristocraft imported a brass 0-4-0 Camelback, maybe the same one, and I think that's what this is.

John Bopp
 

Per your suggestion, I did find a 1956 International Catalogue in hoseeker with a "goat".? No exploded drawings available unfortunately.? However, odds are it is NOT a Mantua...International is a good bet.? It has a metal worm and worm gear so DCC is problematic...good runner though.? Thanks.?
 

I found your locomotive on this auction site. If you go to this address, you'll see this loco with the box it came with. There is a picture of the bottom showing the vertically mounted worm.

https://marketplace.trainzauctions.com/offer/details/ATT-Brass-Tea-Kettle-Locomotive--&-International-Brass-0-4-0-Steam-Loco.-Kit%25Box-135262

Jeff
jppellas@...


-----Original Message-----
From: George Galyon via Groups.Io <redvdub1@...>
To: YardbirdTrains <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 31, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Old Old HO camelback 0-4-0-can anyone identify this engine...the motor is vertically mounted?





Got this at a train show.? Looks like an old Mantua but the motor is vertically mounted with the worm protruding
from the bottom (see pictures).? Hoseeker shows Pittman type motors in the Mantua "goats"??????

 

thank you very much...good to know...It runs pretty good but you would have to replace either the worm or the worm gear to convert it to DCC...both are metal.? Even then the clearances between the engine and frame are so tight you would risk shorting.? I don't think I can isolate the brushes like you can with
Bowser.?

In a message dated 11/1/2018 10:54:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, jppellas@... writes:

I found your locomotive on this auction site. If you go to this address, you'll see this loco with the box it came with. There is a picture of the bottom showing the vertically mounted worm.

https://marketplace.trainzauctions.com/offer/details/ATT-Brass-Tea-Kettle-Locomotive--&-International-Brass-0-4-0-Steam-Loco.-Kit%25Box-135262

Jeff
jppellas@...


-----Original Message-----
From: George Galyon via Groups.Io <redvdub1@...>
To: YardbirdTrains <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 31, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Old Old HO camelback 0-4-0-can anyone identify this engine...the motor is vertically mounted?





Got this at a train show.? Looks like an old Mantua but the motor is vertically mounted with the worm protruding
from the bottom (see pictures).? Hoseeker shows Pittman type motors in the Mantua "goats"??????
 

Thanks to every one who responded.? BTW...Sheet brass is the material...nothing on this loco was diecast..I gather from the responses the loco is most probably an "International ca. 1956..and maybe Aristocraft marketed the same
engine...I found International documentation on hoseeker for what looks like this engine and found nothing on Aristocraft's hoseeker documentation.? And Jeff Pellas found this loco on a Trainz auction site, International box and all....thanks again...It runs good..I'll use it as a train show demo "from the 50s"
George "Tip" Galyon
Olde Newburgh Model RR Club
Walden, NY
 

Might be possible to put a really small gearbox in it. There is a British company called Hi Level that has a line of gearbox and motor combinations that can be customized to fit a variety of locomotives; even very small ones. Could be worth checking out.

Jeff
jppellas@...


-----Original Message-----
From: George Galyon via Groups.Io <redvdub1@...>
To: YardbirdTrains <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Nov 2, 2018 09:20 AM
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Old Old HO camelback 0-4-0-can anyone identify this engine...the motor is vertically mounted?


thank you very much...good to know...It runs pretty good but you would have to replace either the worm or the worm gear to convert it to DCC...both are metal.? Even then the clearances between the engine and frame are so tight you would risk shorting.? I don't think I can isolate the brushes like you can with
Bowser.?

In a message dated 11/1/2018 10:54:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, jppellas@... writes:

I found your locomotive on this auction site. If you go to this address, you'll see this loco with the box it came with. There is a picture of the bottom showing the vertically mounted worm.

https://marketplace.trainzauctions.com/offer/details/ATT-Brass-Tea-Kettle-Locomotive--&-International-Brass-0-4-0-Steam-Loco.-Kit%25Box-135262

Jeff
jppellas@...


-----Original Message-----
From: George Galyon via Groups.Io <redvdub1@...>
To: YardbirdTrains <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 31, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Old Old HO camelback 0-4-0-can anyone identify this engine...the motor is vertically mounted?





Got this at a train show.? Looks like an old Mantua but the motor is vertically mounted with the worm protruding
from the bottom (see pictures).? Hoseeker shows Pittman type motors in the Mantua "goats"??????
toptrain2100
 

?I think I have the same one and mine I was told was a LMB
 

Jeff ! That'd be one small conversion ! This loco bears a resemblance to an LMB [ Cleveland O. importer ] LM Blum / Blum's house of hobbies .? ?? Henry


On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:41 AM toptrain2100 via Groups.Io <toptrain2100=[email protected]> wrote:
?I think I have the same one and mine I was told was a LMB

 

With those soft metal tender trucks, I'm thinking International Models?? I don't have ready access to my Brown Book.??

DM


-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Hultgren <huligin62@...>
To: YardbirdTrains <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2019 10:27 am
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Old Old HO camelback 0-4-0-can anyone identify this engine...the motor is vertically mounted?

Jeff ! That'd be one small conversion ! This loco bears a resemblance to an LMB [ Cleveland O. importer ] LM Blum / Blum's house of hobbies .? ?? Henry

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:41 AM toptrain2100 via Groups.Io <toptrain2100=[email protected]> wrote:
?I think I have the same one and mine I was told was a LMB

toptrain2100
 
Edited

I'll post a photo from a 1957 catalog of the of a International model product brass Reading 0-4-0C. I think this is the one I posted in my photos here.

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