Henry, list,
Take what you like from the following and enjoy your switchers. :)? ?For your various PRR projects, you'll probably enjoy the Godfather Rails site.??
By the book, the interior of the coal bunker ought to be freight car color (sort of an oxide red), but late steam era photos don't seem to bear this out; see the links below.??
A5s 713's tender looks like it is entirely dark green locomotive enamel.? You might need to copy and paste the links below to get them to work.??
This B6sb is fairly clean, and the entire tender looks like it is dark green locomotive enamel.??
This B6sb (721) is also fairly clean on the sides.? The top sides of the tender are most likely dark green locomotive enamel.
This Key model of a B6sb has the entire tender and coal bunker painted dark green locomotive enamel (also known as Brunswick green).
To keep this tied into the Yard Bird trains theme, I attached shots of two PRR switchers that I rebuilt around 2003.? Both are painted grimy black (as opposed to dark green locomotive enamel.? The A3 is the AHM/LifeLike/Model Power 0-4-0 repainted to represent a PRR engine that was later sold to the Strasburg RR in the 1920s, while A5s 94 is a Bowser kit representing the A5s from the RR Museum of PA's collection.??
Doug Kisala
On Saturday, December 2, 2017, 4:07:41 PM PST, huligin62@... [yardbirdtrains] wrote:
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how about slope back tender decks , ala , A5 B6sb , etc. ?? Henry?
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how about slope back tender decks , ala , A5 B6sb , etc. ?? Henry?
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Re: Modeling NYC Steam, Was Re: RE: Re: The latest issue e of the NKP Modeler’s Notebook is here!
Doug, Thanks for doing all the stuff I say everyone should do but I didn’t. Like changing the subject and cropping the posts. What I laughingly refer to as my mind seems to get more laughable every day. I do have an official diagnosis of CRS (Can’t Remember Sh… Stuff) and it shows. Also for pointing out the NYC Modeler site. I know it exists and have downloaded all of the 2017 issues but you provided the issues that involved kit-bashing die cast models. I am downloading several more issues. I don’t do so much of that anymore (who said retirement slows more time for trains) but I still WANT to do more. And I’m a big fan of Mantua steam probably because my first locomotive was a Mantua Mike given to as a Christmas present in 1949, first year of production. Plus, they are plentiful, rugged and were cheap. Nowadays they have crept up in cost but still are okay for those wanting to kit bash, especially with the cost of new models going out of sight. Just a couple of items regards finding Mantua mikes. They all will work for these projects. But, for the best drives you either have to go for very early or very late production. The first two versions, covering production from 1949 to 1953 uses a DC70 (or DS71, as I said memory..) motor with a driveshaft to an enclosed worm with self aligning bearings. Then came the Tyco when they switched to a smaller motor with the worm mounted of the motor shaft. Still decent runners and there is thousands out there. In late production, under the Mantua name again, they came out with their “Power Drive” models that returned to the worm design. John Hagen ?
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Subject: Modeling NYC Steam, Was Re: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: The latest issue e of the NKP Modeler’s Notebook is here!? ? I changed the subject to better reflect what we're talking about and I trimmed the post to keep digest readers copacetic.? John, I really like your suggestions below.?? Now that I've had my post-breakfast caffeine, I remembered that the New York Central RR Historical Society has a nice New York Central Modeler publication which covered kitbashing NYC steam engines, including the H5 and H7 Mikados.? NYC's H5 Mikados were sold to or built for many NYC subsidiaries, including the Nickel Plate (an NYC subsidiary until 1916). Link below is to the index page for the NYC Modeler.?? The NYC Modeler's first quarter 2012 edition has an article by Tom Bailey that introduces his models and has a bit about kitbashing an NYC H7 from a Mantua Mikado.?? The NYC Modeler 3rd quarter 2012 continues the H7 kitbash.?? The NYC Modeler 2nd quarter 2013 finishes the H7 saga and has shorter sections about kitbashing an H5 from a John English 2-8-2.
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Re: Modeling NYC Steam, Was Re: RE: Re: The latest issue e of the NKP Modeler’s Notebook is here!
Locomotive Quarterly did some ink on NKP H5s and other H5 ''boomers'' ! Mainline Modeler did NKP Mikes !
I agree on that J English Mike sand dome Grind city !! Henry
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Subject: Modeling NYC Steam, Was Re: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: The latest issue e of the NKP Modeler’s Notebook is here!
To: "'John Hagen' sprinthag@... [yardbirdtrains]" <yardbirdtrains@...>
Date: Saturday, November 25, 2017, 8:25 AM
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John, Henry, List,
I changed the subject to better
reflect what we're talking about and I trimmed the post
to keep digest readers copacetic.? John, I really like your
suggestions below.??
Now that I've had my
post-breakfast caffeine, I remembered that the New York
Central RR Historical Society has a nice New York Central
Modeler publication which covered kitbashing NYC steam
engines, including the H5 and H7 Mikados.? NYC's H5
Mikados were sold to or built for many NYC subsidiaries,
including the Nickel Plate (an NYC subsidiary until
1916).
Link below is
to the index page for the NYC Modeler.??
The NYC
Modeler's first quarter 2012 edition has an article by
Tom Bailey that introduces his models and has a bit about
kitbashing an NYC H7 from a Mantua Mikado.??
The NYC Modeler 3rd quarter 2012
continues the H7 kitbash.??
The NYC Modeler 2nd quarter 2013
finishes the H7 saga and has shorter sections about
kitbashing an H5 from a John English 2-8-2.
Doug
Kisala
On Friday,
November 24, 2017, 7:07:30 PM PST, 'John Hagen'
sprinthag@... [yardbirdtrains]
<yardbirdtrains@...> wrote:
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Doug,That’s a pretty
straight boiler. Some NYC modelers have used the Mantua
Mikado’s for NYC’s near straight boilered
Mikes.From there it
becomes a matter of how detailed you want it. For me the
cylinders look heftier than Mantua’s and the H5s have
baker valve gear. The sand box would have to changed or much
modified. I’m not sure about the steam dome as I don’t a
Mantua handy right now.From there it’s a
matter of how much of the piping and appliances you want to
put on it.Oh yes, that
迟别苍诲别谤….闯辞丑苍
Hagen
?(snip)
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Modeling NYC Steam, Was Re: RE: Re: The latest issue e of the NKP Modeler’s Notebook is here!
John, Henry, List,
I changed the subject to better reflect what we're talking about and I trimmed the post to keep digest readers copacetic.? John, I really like your suggestions below.??
Now that I've had my post-breakfast caffeine, I remembered that the New York Central RR Historical Society has a nice New York Central Modeler publication which covered kitbashing NYC steam engines, including the H5 and H7 Mikados.? NYC's H5 Mikados were sold to or built for many NYC subsidiaries, including the Nickel Plate (an NYC subsidiary until 1916).
Link below is to the index page for the NYC Modeler.??
The NYC Modeler's first quarter 2012 edition has an article by Tom Bailey that introduces his models and has a bit about kitbashing an NYC H7 from a Mantua Mikado.??
The NYC Modeler 3rd quarter 2012 continues the H7 kitbash.??
The NYC Modeler 2nd quarter 2013 finishes the H7 saga and has shorter sections about kitbashing an H5 from a John English 2-8-2.
Doug Kisala
On Friday, November 24, 2017, 7:07:30 PM PST, 'John Hagen' sprinthag@... [yardbirdtrains] wrote:
?
Doug, That’s a pretty straight boiler. Some NYC modelers have used the Mantua Mikado’s for NYC’s near straight boilered Mikes. From there it becomes a matter of how detailed you want it. For me the cylinders look heftier than Mantua’s and the H5s have baker valve gear. The sand box would have to changed or much modified. I’m not sure about the steam dome as I don’t a Mantua handy right now. From there it’s a matter of how much of the piping and appliances you want to put on it. Oh yes, that tender…. John Hagen ? (snip)
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Re: Working On A Bowser PRR Decapod
Doug,? That is a very nice looking PRR loco. I hope you will post more photos of it when it is finished. Richard in Vermont
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Re: The latest issue e of the NKP Modeler’s Notebook is here!
Doug, That’s a pretty straight boiler. Some NYC modelers have used the Mantua Mikado’s for NYC’s near straight boilered Mikes. From there it becomes a matter of how detailed you want it. For me the cylinders look heftier than Mantua’s and the H5’s have baker valve gear. The sand box would have to changed or much modified. I’m not sure about the steam dome as I don’t a Mantua handy right now. From there it’s a matter of how much of the piping and appliances you want to put on it. Oh yes, that tender…. John Hagen ?
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Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: The latest issu e of the NKP Modeler’s Notebook is here!? ? What model are you using to make Nickel Plate 954?? I also like the Nickel Plate and would like to model an H5 2-8-2 at some point.?? There are some shots of 954 on the Fallen Flags site. ? I will be working on H5 954 - H6 663 and another scratch rider/head end car this Winter ? I met up with 954 on the interchange track downtown Lorain . The 663 on the main w/b next to Thew Shovel , both locations in Hirsimaki's book ! ?Has anyone ever published the signal aspects for the NKP ??? ?Henry?
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Using Mantua Mike boiler running gearfor same converted to alligator xheads , Mellor USRA cab , lee town clear vision tender ??? I have English Mikes and Pacifics ? I've looked at Cary lt. USRA , but No sale . Henry
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Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: The latest issu e of the NKP Modeler’s Notebook is here!
To: "huligin62@... [yardbirdtrains]" <yardbirdtrains@...>, "huligin62@..." <huligin62@...>
Date: Friday, November 24, 2017, 1:51 PM
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Henry,
What model are you using to make
Nickel Plate 954?? I also like the Nickel Plate and would
like to model an H5 2-8-2 at some point.??
There are some shots of 954 on the
Fallen Flags site.
Doug
Kisala
On Tuesday, November 14, 2017,
7:48:24 AM PST, huligin62@... [yardbirdtrains]
<yardbirdtrains@...> wrote:
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I will be working on H5 954 - H6 663 and another
scratch rider/head end car this Winter ? I met up with 954
on the interchange track downtown Lorain . The 663 on the
main w/b next to Thew Shovel , both locations in
Hirsimaki's book !?Has anyone ever published
the signal aspects for the NKP ??? ?Henry?
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Re: The latest issu e of the NKP Modeler’s Notebook is here!
Henry,
What model are you using to make Nickel Plate 954?? I also like the Nickel Plate and would like to model an H5 2-8-2 at some point.??
There are some shots of 954 on the Fallen Flags site.
Doug Kisala
On Tuesday, November 14, 2017, 7:48:24 AM PST, huligin62@... [yardbirdtrains] wrote:
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I will be working on H5 954 - H6 663 and another scratch rider/head end car this Winter ? I met up with 954 on the interchange track downtown Lorain . The 663 on the main w/b next to Thew Shovel , both locations in Hirsimaki's book ! ?Has anyone ever published the signal aspects for the NKP ??? ?Henry?
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Re: Working On A Bowser PRR Decapod [1 Attachment]
Doug, ? ? Looking good! That Bowser tender resembles the 130P75 that were most commonly seen behind K4 locos however those tender were originally built as the 130F82 for use behind I1 locos. Eventually, as K4's started coming off of the roster in the 50s, some decapods got those tenders again. There were some branches, like the Cresson ?Branch, that had restrictions on the length of tenders that could be coupled with an I1 ,because of severe curvatures, so the 130F82 was the largest tender that could still fit those parameters.
Jeff
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[Attachment(s) from Doug Kisala included below]
Hello list,
I hope all of you have recovered from turkey-induced sleepiness. :)
I spent a bit of yesterday and today working on my rendition of surviving PRR I1sa 4483.? I had previously added a decoder and gotten the engine running well with a 130F82a tender (also known as Bowser's 13,000 gallon tender).? I still have to get the right side air pump mounted vertically (I see now there's a bit of a slant) and I have some filing to do to get the cab backplate to fit properly, but I now have proper power for my PRR mineral trains.??
Some notes on her tender follow.??
- When I started
building the model (in the late 1990s), I detailed the kit to represent 4483 as she looked in the late steam era.? I first used a Bowser/Varney USRA tender (which slightly resembles the 90F82 that 4483 is paired with today), and then I purchased a resin tender kit which I could not get running properly.?? - In the late steam era (1952-1957 in this context on the PRR), there were only around four 130F82a tenders running with I1sa engines.?? - However, the model runs really well with the Bowser 13,000 gallon tender, and I'm willing to stick with it until something better comes along.?? - My tender currently lacks a doghouse/brakeman's cabin and other detailing.? These things are on my to-do list once I get the engine completed.?? - If you're modeling the PRR from 1926 to 1949, the 130F82 tender ran with up to 100 I1s (and later I1sa) engines and was much more common with I1s engines durin
g the late 20s and the 1930s.?? - Take what you like from this and enjoy your model railroad. :)?
Doug Kisala
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Working On A Bowser PRR Decapod
Hello list,
I hope all of you have recovered from turkey-induced sleepiness. :)
I spent a bit of yesterday and today working on my rendition of surviving PRR I1sa 4483.? I had previously added a decoder and gotten the engine running well with a 130F82a tender (also known as Bowser's 13,000 gallon tender).? I still have to get the right side air pump mounted vertically (I see now there's a bit of a slant) and I have some filing to do to get the cab backplate to fit properly, but I now have proper power for my PRR mineral trains.??
Some notes on her tender follow.??
- When I started building the model (in the late 1990s), I detailed the kit to represent 4483 as she looked in the late steam era.? I first used a Bowser/Varney USRA tender (which slightly resembles the 90F82 that 4483 is paired with today), and then I purchased a resin tender kit which I could not get running properly.?? - In the late steam era (1952-1957 in this context on the PRR), there were only around four 130F82a tenders running with I1sa engines.?? - However, the model runs really well with the Bowser 13,000 gallon tender, and I'm willing to stick with it until something better comes along.?? - My tender currently lacks a doghouse/brakeman's cabin and other detailing.? These things are on my to-do list once I get the engine completed.?? - If you're modeling the PRR from 1926 to 1949, the 130F82 tender ran with up to 100 I1s (and later I1sa) engines and was much more common with I1s engines during the late 20s and the 1930s.?? - Take what you like from this and enjoy your model railroad. :)?
Doug Kisala
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Happiest of Thanksgivings to you all !
May you all enjoy fond memories of your times together . Give thanks to God , may you enjoy many blessings together . Pray for my Wife and I this coming year ? Prayers back your way as well . God Bless all .? Henry H.?
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Re: The latest issu e of the NKP Modeler’s Notebook is here!
I will be working on H5 954 - H6 663 and another scratch rider/head end car this Winter ? I met up with 954 on the interchange track downtown Lorain . The 663 on the main w/b next to Thew Shovel , both locations in Hirsimaki's book ! ?Has anyone ever published the signal aspects for the NKP ??? ?Henry?
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Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
The 80’s were quite LATE in Mantua’s life. Could be they had it all farmed out by then. John Hagen ? ?
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Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art? ? The 80’s were quite in Mantua’s life. Could be they had it all farmed out by then. John Hagen
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Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
The 80’s were quite in Mantua’s life. Could be they had it all farmed out by then. John Hagen ?
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Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art? ? Is it possible that Mantua farmed out its die-casting to Authenticast?? I only ever visited the Mantua facility once during an MER tour in the '80's, and I don't recall if they had any casting capability.?? DM
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Sent: Mon, Nov 13, 2017 2:51 pm
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art ? Hey Sean ? Mebbe' this was a broke? po folks outfit . Graphic art was a lot . Even back in those days ? I've been looking at PRR N1-2s on fallen flags ???? My God there's so many variations in appearance ?? As many variants as a B36 had prop blades !! Only one more Bowser PRR steamer to get . M1a !!? Henry?
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Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Is it possible that Mantua farmed out its die-casting to Authenticast?? I only ever visited the Mantua facility once during an MER tour in the '80's, and I don't recall if they had any casting capability.??
DM
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Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
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Hey Sean ? Mebbe' this was a broke? po folks outfit . Graphic art was a lot . Even back in those days ? I've been looking at PRR N1-2s on fallen flags ???? My God there's so many variations in appearance ?? As many variants as a B36 had prop blades !! Only one more Bowser PRR steamer to get . M1a !!? Henry?
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Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Hey Sean ? Mebbe' this was a broke? po folks outfit . Graphic art was a lot . Even back in those days ? I've been looking at PRR N1-2s on fallen flags ???? My God there's so many variations in appearance ?? As many variants as a B36 had prop blades !! Only one more Bowser PRR steamer to get . M1a !!? Henry?
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Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
What do you want to know??? I have been modeling since the 40's when you had to build everything you needed. ? Tom
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Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Is there anyone still alive that might be able to explain why the Authenticast box art seems to clearly show early Walthers and Mantua pieces??
See the attached image... ?
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They didn't: the late Dick Yager knew the owners of Overland really well, and bought out their overstock of parts from a NKP NW-2 project. I bought the last four safety cages off of Dick more than a decade ago.
One of these days I'll run a kitbashing article on how to scratch the cages for the NKPHTS Modeler's Notebook. Since I'm not a diesel guy it might be a while.
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL Editor, NKPHTS Modeler's Notebook
On Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 2:26:35 PM CDT, huligin62@... [yardbirdtrains] wrote:
I didn't know that they made a brass casting for NKP switcher handrails ? Looks like the cab safety rails ?? Henry H. ??????
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Jeff Pellas
