Re: Hi everyone, new QY-70 owner with a "pattern" question
A word of caution, I would definitely test the restore of your songs before assuming the backup worked perfectly. ?
I have occasionally had a song backup with no errors, but then the restore failed (using filer on the QY). ?Never a bad idea to export to a simple midi file (as well as a backup) just in case, so at least you have something should the restore fail. ?The QY100 is nice since it has the smartmedia save option (as well as it’s own filer) to give the user a little more peace of mind, although of course, the QY70 is the more compact package so it has it’s own charms (I own both since they both rock in different ways).?
Cheers,
Eric
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Re: Hi everyone, new QY-70 owner with a "pattern" question
Hi,
As Kaltar noted, switching styles causes a delay, so since you want to stay in the same pattern, you could use one of the fill sections for the combo ?of drums and guitar. ?However, you could also put drum and fill both in MainA and then simply use a sysex to mute whatever track you don’t want at the appropriate time (using either a mute sysex or a volume sysex for the given pattern track). ?
BTW, the track numbers for the 8 pattern tracks are 17 to 24 (since 1-16 are taken by song mode), however you can map patterns to tracks 1 to 8 or 9 to 16 in the utility section of the menu… but if you are muting via Sysex or the QY you should just use tracks 17 to 24 to keep the first 16 for song tracks. ?(The reason for the remapping capability is that alot of midi equipment can’t deal with track numbers greater than 16, but since everything you are doing in on the QY, you should be fine).
Cheers, Eric ["The longest journey starts with the first step."?- Lao Tzu]
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On Oct 17, 2022, at 3:31 PM, xfer012 via groups.io <fcarello@...> wrote:
?Hello, first of all thanks everyone for your help, much appreciated.
I have read all your answers and am trying to study Song Mode, which I neglected to far.
Another question arises to my mind: when I enter a pattern into a song, I cannot specify the track where to insert my user-phrase (or anyway, I did not find how to specify a track).
Does it mean that the pattern I insert must already have all the tracks already properly filled?
Say I have recorded a nice drum base on Pattern #2 MainA (track 1), let's say it's called U02, and I have a bass riff which I like in Pattern #1 Main B (track 3), say U01.
In my song, I would like to combine the drum from Pattern #2 MainA and the bass from Pattern #1 MainB.
So that would mean entering U02 in track 1 and, in the same bar, U01 in track 3.
Would it be possible?
Or should I create an appropriate Pattern #3 Main A which has both U02 on 1 and U01 on 3, beforehand?
Thanks for clarifying, your help has been invaluable already!
Fernando
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Re: Hi everyone, new QY-70 owner with a "pattern" question
Thank you, I am adapting to the QY-70 day after day and I like what I am seeing.
This little cute machine is very powerful indeed.
I found how to play drum & bass with the internal engine, while leaving other tracks to my external MIDI synths. Works flawlessy, and the resulting mix sounds very nice: the XG chip is not bad at all despite being 25+ years old.
Why don't they build these anymore? Escapes me.
Installed the Data Filer and to my wonder it still works perfectly under Windows 10 64bit. So I can easily backup everything, export songs etc.
Thanks everyone!
Fernando
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Re: Hi everyone, new QY-70 owner with a "pattern" question
Hi Fernando,
It is not possible to mix elements from different styles, unless you create a new style. Same goes for patterns: You will always work with the 8 tracks of the pattern, and cannot mix another pattern track unless you create a new pattern that does so. So you are right in thinking in mixing the elements in a new pattern.
The QY series came before Ableton, and the styles/patterns are not designed to work as a clip launcher, but as a backing track. the QY100 (don’t know if the QY70 does too) allows you to change styles, change patterns and mute tracks from via SysEx, and that makes it more flexible, however, the delay occurring when changing styles might be too noticeable. ?
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On Oct 14, 2022, at 3:16 PM, xfer012 via < fcarello@...> wrote:
Hello, first of all thanks everyone for your help, much appreciated.
I have read all your answers and am trying to study Song Mode, which I neglected to far.
Another question arises to my mind: when I enter a pattern into a song, I cannot specify the track where to insert my user-phrase (or anyway, I did not find how to specify a track).
Does it mean that the pattern I insert must already have all the tracks already properly filled?
Say I have recorded a nice drum base on Pattern #2 MainA (track 1), let's say it's called U02, and I have a bass riff which I like in Pattern #1 Main B (track 3), say U01.
In my song, I would like to combine the drum from Pattern #2 MainA and the bass from Pattern #1 MainB.
So that would mean entering U02 in track 1 and, in the same bar, U01 in track 3.
Would it be possible?
Or should I create an appropriate Pattern #3 Main A which has both U02 on 1 and U01 on 3, beforehand?
Thanks for clarifying, your help has been invaluable already!
Fernando
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Re: Hi everyone, new QY-70 owner with a "pattern" question
Hello, first of all thanks everyone for your help, much appreciated.
I have read all your answers and am trying to study Song Mode, which I neglected to far.
Another question arises to my mind: when I enter a pattern into a song, I cannot specify the track where to insert my user-phrase (or anyway, I did not find how to specify a track).
Does it mean that the pattern I insert must already have all the tracks already properly filled?
Say I have recorded a nice drum base on Pattern #2 MainA (track 1), let's say it's called U02, and I have a bass riff which I like in Pattern #1 Main B (track 3), say U01.
In my song, I would like to combine the drum from Pattern #2 MainA and the bass from Pattern #1 MainB.
So that would mean entering U02 in track 1 and, in the same bar, U01 in track 3.
Would it be possible?
Or should I create an appropriate Pattern #3 Main A which has both U02 on 1 and U01 on 3, beforehand?
Thanks for clarifying, your help has been invaluable already!
Fernando
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Re: Hi everyone, new QY-70 owner with a "pattern" question
Yes, as explained, the 'Pt' track of a song is where you chain patterns. Use the arrow keys to select the 'Pt' track all the way to the left of the numbered tracks on the main 'Song' screen. Then press 'Menu' and use 'F3' to select 'Edit'.
As Eric mentioned, there can be stutters when a song switches between user styles. This is caused by the time required to reinitialize voice parameters and the third effect algorithm (which will be set by the style when styles are used).
Even if you stay within the same style, re-specifying the style when changing sections on the 'Pt' edit screen can still cause hiccups.
To avoid this, leave the 'Style' block of subsequent section changes blank. The QY will know to remain in the previous style and won't attempt to load or reset it.
So, if you wanted to chain 'U01' 'MainA' into 'U01' 'MainB', don't enter anything into the 'Style' block of the 'Pt' track when inserting 'MainB', like below:
STYLE SECTION
U01 MainA
MainB
129 --End--
Also, note that you can also change the meter on the 'Pt' edit screen. The meter doesn't have to match the style's embedded meter, but it will be cut off if it's short on bars.
You can loop in song mode by holding shift and pressing play. But there's an unavoidable hiccup each time the loop resets.
To get a looping effect in song mode while avoiding the hiccup, just enter the sequence of patterns into a song, then use the copy job on the 'Pt' track to repeat those measures a bunch of times. Songs can have 999 measures, so it's rare for it to stop because it's reached the end.
J
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Re: Hi everyone, new QY-70 owner with a "pattern" question
Yes you have to create a song and program in which patterns to use.
And which chords to use for those patterns.
This video shows you how to create a song using the patterns you just created.
It is for the QY100 but the process is the same
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Re: Hi everyone, new QY-70 owner with a "pattern" question
Hi,
Welcome to the group!
In order to do what you want you need to basically just do the following:
1) Record to your pattern sections (you did this already) 2) Note which user pattern number you recorded to (let’s assume pattern #1) 3) Switch to song mode and select the song in which you want to use the ?pattern. 4) Move the cursor to the Pattern area (in the lower left) and hit + or - to select your user pattern “USR1” 5) Move the cursor to the pattern track (which is to the left of all the track numbers…denoted as “PT”) 6) Press Menu 7) Press the Function key corresponding to “Edit’ 8) On the screen you will see a grid that allows you to insert patterns (and sections) at any given measure of the song. 9) In this particular case you would?select USR1 in the pattern column (by moving to that column and hitting +/-) and then move over to the right and select MainA in the Section column. 10) Use the cursor to scroll down to several measures (whatever the length of the main a section is plus one). 11) Select??USR1 in the pattern column and MainB ?the Section column for that measure. 12) Hit Exit to go back to the main song screen 13) Press Play.
Some tips: By the way, whatever the last measure is of your song you want to insert OFF ?into the grid so that the song will end… I think it’s gonna magically if you insert the section ‘ENDING’.
Also note that F1 allows you to erase an entry.
If you don’t set up a pattern track then you can just move the cursor to the pattern area and press any of the section keys on the keyboard to switch pattern sections… Provided that you selected your pattern number already.
You want to limit your song to a use a single pattern… Apparently switching patterns will cause a slight delay in playback… However you can switch between sections of a given single pattern without any delay whatsoever. ?
Lastly, When creating a section in pattern mode it’s important to realize that you have to set the length first because once you record or insert anything the length is locked for that section and cannot be changed unless you delete that section.
Hope this helps !, Eric
["The longest journey starts with the first step."?- Lao Tzu]
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On Oct 13, 2022, at 7:26 PM, Fernando Carello <fcarello@...> wrote:
?Hello, thanks for this nice group.
Just purchased not one but TWO :) cute QY-70 units.
Why two, well the first one was basically mint; then a very beaten up
one, with an unresponsive keyboard and an exhausted backup battery,
showed up for a low price and I snatched it up "for spares".
I repaired it and now works like a charm. Decided to keep both. :)
Now the question(s). :D
I did read and re-read the manual and also the FAQs by Johannes
Emmerling... but I can't actually figure out how to compose sequences
on this machine. I was able to record simple multitrack phrases (up to
8 bars) but that's it.
Let's say I enter Pattern mode, select an empty User pattern (Style?),
select a Section (say "Main A") and record a few bars in Overdub or
Step for Drum and Bass, on two tracks.
Then I pass on to "Main B" and record another few bars, with a
different theme. Say I leave empty everything else.
Now: how do I combine those two Drum + Bass "sections" I recorded, in
order to have a complete sequence?
Say I want "MainA - MainB" in a loop.
How do I accomplish this?
Should I select Song mode and somehow (how?) "copy/paste" those
pattern sections inside the Song?
Or is there some other way, maybe using Pattern Jobs..?
I did not understand what to do. Sorry, I know it must be trivial but
I'm a noob with this cute box! The manual is so skinny for such a
complex device, and being 20+ years old means not much tutorials to be
found.
Thanks for reading.
Fernando
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Hi everyone, new QY-70 owner with a "pattern" question
Hello, thanks for this nice group.
Just purchased not one but TWO :) cute QY-70 units.
Why two, well the first one was basically mint; then a very beaten up
one, with an unresponsive keyboard and an exhausted backup battery,
showed up for a low price and I snatched it up "for spares".
I repaired it and now works like a charm. Decided to keep both. :)
Now the question(s). :D
I did read and re-read the manual and also the FAQs by Johannes
Emmerling... but I can't actually figure out how to compose sequences
on this machine. I was able to record simple multitrack phrases (up to
8 bars) but that's it.
Let's say I enter Pattern mode, select an empty User pattern (Style?),
select a Section (say "Main A") and record a few bars in Overdub or
Step for Drum and Bass, on two tracks.
Then I pass on to "Main B" and record another few bars, with a
different theme. Say I leave empty everything else.
Now: how do I combine those two Drum + Bass "sections" I recorded, in
order to have a complete sequence?
Say I want "MainA - MainB" in a loop.
How do I accomplish this?
Should I select Song mode and somehow (how?) "copy/paste" those
pattern sections inside the Song?
Or is there some other way, maybe using Pattern Jobs..?
I did not understand what to do. Sorry, I know it must be trivial but
I'm a noob with this cute box! The manual is so skinny for such a
complex device, and being 20+ years old means not much tutorials to be
found.
Thanks for reading.
Fernando
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I have an MDF3 which I'm sure is what I used to back-up the
QY70.? Though it's so many years ago that I can't quite remember
the details.
The manual reminds me there is a Bulk Dump feature that can dump
part or all of the contents to MIDI or serial.? It can then be
recorded by the MDF3, or by a computer running other MIDI
software.? I think that's how I would have done it.? And I think
that does give the complete backup that you seem to be looking
for.
I hope that helps.
Regards,
Richard.
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Hello! I recently got a QY70 that ran out of memory pretty
quickly. Now, I can't add automation without having to delete
another PATT or SONG to make space. Not ideal, so I hooked it up
to my audio interface through an old fashioned DIN connector and
started looking for appropriate software. I'm on a Mac and none of
the files in the files section of the forum work for me. I got
advised to try out SysEx Librarian, but to no avail. Whenever I
try a Bulk Dump, SysEx Lib does in fact communicate with the QY
because I do get a string of hexadecimals on the computer, but I
don't know what to do with them. It seems incomplete. If anyone
has used this software successfully, please, I'd be interested in
hearing how you do it!
I can record all note data in my DAW, no problem, but what I'm
looking for is to temporarily offload the QY, so that I can finish
my projects, and later put them back on so that I can continue
where I left off. I'm out travelling for a few months, but at home
I use a RS7000 that of course has a SM reader. I'm wondering if I
could somehow transfer the QY projects to the RS, and get it to
the computer through the Smart Media - USB adapter I have.
Alternatively, I've (desperately) been looking at alternatives
because it just seems like options are limited for Mac users. One
of such alternatives is called Yamaha MDF3 but I'm not sure if
even that will store exactly everything from the QY, would it?
Much thanks for any help!
Sonny
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Hello! I recently got a QY70 that ran out of memory pretty quickly. Now, I can't add automation without having to delete another PATT or SONG to make space. Not ideal, so I hooked it up to my audio interface through an old fashioned DIN connector and started looking for appropriate software. I'm on a Mac and none of the files in the files section of the forum work for me. I got advised to try out SysEx Librarian, but to no avail. Whenever I try a Bulk Dump, SysEx Lib does in fact communicate with the QY because I do get a string of hexadecimals on the computer, but I don't know what to do with them. It seems incomplete. If anyone has used this software successfully, please, I'd be interested in hearing how you do it!
I can record all note data in my DAW, no problem, but what I'm looking for is to temporarily offload the QY, so that I can finish my projects, and later put them back on so that I can continue where I left off. I'm out travelling for a few months, but at home I use a RS7000 that of course has a SM reader. I'm wondering if I could somehow transfer the QY projects to the RS, and get it to the computer through the Smart Media - USB adapter I have. Alternatively, I've (desperately) been looking at alternatives because it just seems like options are limited for Mac users. One of such alternatives is called Yamaha MDF3 but I'm not sure if even that will store exactly everything from the QY, would it?
Much thanks for any help!
Sonny
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Hello!
I got a beat up QY70 back in 2020. When I got it I thought it was insufferably cheesy and the lack of any modern software was disappointing. But the longer I had it the more use I found for it. It turned out to be my bench midi test unit for my electronics work. I also found myself playing with it a lot. Eventually I added the EL backlight.
A few months later I was broke and sold my QY70.?
I would like to share what I learned here.
Firstly, scope-eye’s post was inspirational but a post in Japanese had the photos and guidance to get through the scary surgery on the LCD. ?Regarding the DMF5020N, you can’t get new ones. Aliexpress sells a clone for $100 but I don’t know if it works. At that price, who cares, you’re better off buying a used or broken QY. ?The DMF5020N isn’t just an LCD with a certain resolution, it has a proprietary serial interface. You’re not going to find an equivalent. (Someone could write some firmware for an arduino to work with a modern display, but they would need to emulate the optrex serial interface! Do it!)
The Yamaha TG300 used a backlit version of the same display. It is MUCH thicker and absolutely will not fit in a QY.?
So the EL backlight looks great and makes your display more readable. You trim an EL panel with scissors and sandwich it between the lcd and the pcb. You will need an EL power supply module. 99.9% of these power supply modules make a very audible high pitched noise. I tried to muffle the module but you could still hear it. I can imagine it could drive someone with sensitive hearing quite mad. The only good news is this noise does not bleed into the audio mix.?
So. I realized I actually missed that little guy. ?I wanted another QY, and this time I wanted to go big. So I got a QY22 for my work bench and a QY100 for music-like activities.?
But then I remembered how awesome it was to have creepy green backlight. But then I frowned when I remembered the high pitched sound. Nonetheless I ordered some EL film from Adafruit. And then I discovered a maker on tindie.com who has a tiny, high-yield, low-noise EL power supply. So I’m getting up the courage to do the mod to the QY100. I will post an update when it’s done.
If anyone would like links to the sources I mentioned above, please let me know.
Meanwhile, enjoy your QY.
Ben
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I'm a big tracker fan, too. The folks on lines seem to really love it:
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Thanks for sharing all those details, very helpful!
The original display has a polarizer film layer then a layer of foil on top of that and you removed both.? Correct? ?
You said alcohol wasn't sufficient for removing the adhesive, what did you end up using?? It seems like acetone might be good.
I was curious how you were able to determine the correct angle of the polarizer with the display on but the video you posted makes it pretty clear. Good idea.
Does the LCD on the QY use conductive rubber strips to communicate between the glass and the driver board?? If so, did you find it tricky to get those lined up correctly and to make sure sure equal pressure is applied along their length?? I've worked on a fair number of LCD's that use these and it usually takes several attempts to get the display to work properly.? Each time you have to make an adjustment you reintroduce the possibility of getting dust contamination.
This is a tough decision.? I really like the look, but this method requires a serious commitment.? Once you go down this road, there's no turning back! LOL
My frontlight kits probably won't be here for a couple weeks. I'll give this some serious thought in the meantime.
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Thanks! Sure, happy to elaborate. Wishing that I had taken a few more photos during the process, but it required all my attention to get it right.?
Also, I just added a bunch of notes to accompany the images and a gif, showing how I found the polarizer angle (same link).?
1. Peeling the film off is a very delicate process and not super quick. The top priority is to apply as little direct pressure as possible to the screen.
I took a fresh razor blade and carefully separated the film from the edge of the glass on one side, just enough that I could pinch it with my fingers. Then peeled it across the display in a totally horizontal movement, very slowly and consistently, to allow the adhesive to separate. Since applying zero force is impossible, there was some visible distortion on the screen, but this is temporary and fades after a few minutes.?
The process wasn't new to me, as I had modded gameboys in?not sure I would have been able to do it otherwise, especially w/o instructions or a kit. The main risk is probably in applying too much force and permanently damaging the liquid layer inside or possibly damaging the contacts during removal of the adhesive, with the solvent needed to break it down—alcohol wasn't sufficient in my experience. The adhesive is very strong, so removing it is a game of patience— remaining regular and gentle with it over several minutes, as it slowly peels off. Another challenge is in sizing and positioning the new backlight layer, so it doesn't disrupt the needed pressure between the contacts on the LCD and PCB: it can't be totally flush to the top and bottom for this reason.
2. The reason I chose to remove the polarizer as well as the foil, is that they are sandwiched together with this strong adhesive. It seemed to me that removing one while preserving the other would be more painstaking and challenging to achieve, especially without damaging the original polarizer, during the process of lifting the edge of the foil with a blade. There would also be a layer of adhesive left behind from the foil, which would attract dust and particles, if not covered immediately. The modder who did the tutorial using an EL panel also mentioned that— they opted to keep the original polarizer and to apply a piece of clear material to the back of the it after removing the foil, to seal-off this sticky layer. My approach was to just redo the whole thing— adding a fresh polarizer to keep it as clean as possible. Neither is ideal really, but it can be done either way apparently.
Since I did decide to remove the original polarizer, a new one had to be installed and the correct angle determined—the polarization angles used by different LCDs are not consistent. I used the polarizer sheet for an iPad LCD, which seems to produce the highest contrast at about 35 degrees anti-clockwise from the QY70 optimal polarization angle. It was very faint at the original angle in which the sheet was cut. To discover the best angle for the QY's LCD required testing it while the LCD was active, by rotating a piece of the material behind the glass and observing which angle produced the greatest contrast. Once that was found, I could cut a polarizer for it from the sheet at that angle. The sheet for the iPad had adhesive on one side already, so it applied easily to the glass, just had to be sure there was zero debris on the surface prior to application.
3. Yes that's correct, there are many bright LEDs in the iPhone backlight— high-density, color LCDs require a lot more light, in addition to being physically larger. I did try stepping up the voltage to drive the included backlight, but was not able to find anywhere on the board which could supply enough current. It might be possible, but probably overkill.?A single filament bulb is sufficiently bright, but requires much less current and is similar in height to the QY's LCD, so it was a good fit.
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@now_its_dark
Your screen looks great!? Now you have me considering this instead of re-attempting the frontlight.
I just want to make sure I understand how you did this and have a few questions for you.
1. You had to peel the film off the back of the QY100 LCD glass.? Can you describe that process?? Was it difficult?? What was the risk of damaging the part?
2. You then applied new film? I'm not sure I understand why you had to do this and how the new film was attached.? You said you had to discern the correct angle, can you elaborate on this?
3. Next you inserted an iPhone backlight panel with the LED's removed behind the QY100 display and you instead used the 3V filament lamp instead of the original LED's
If you could shed light on these items, I would appreciate it.
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Thanks! Pretty happy with how it turned out, other than a bit of an illumination hot spot at the edge.
The dust prevention method which usually works for me, is to clean/degrease surfaces first with high % isopropyl, then hold at 90 degrees or upside down, while wiping/polishing the surface with a fresh, lens cleaning cloth and hit it with canned air immediately prior to reassembly. There is actually one slightly visible particle of dust on mine :-/ but it had more than that before it was opened haha.
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That screen is just beautiful!!! and no dust!!!
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?Hi there, thought I'd share this, in case it might be useful to someone— I recently did a backlight mod for the QY70 using a single LED filament bulb and iPhone diffuser panel (with LEDs removed, they require too much current), cut to fit exactly behind the LCD.? The adhesives were pretty strong and it was too much of a hassle to keep the original polarizer intact, so I peeled it down to the glass and cut a new polarizer sheet also, after discerning the correct angle. Some of the excess foil backing from the diffuser is wrapped around the filament bulb and taped down to ensure maximum light travel into the edge of the diffuser. It's not particularly easier than the version using an EL panel, but my experience with EL is that they produce a high pitched whine, so LED seemed much preferable. The impact on battery life is minimal, so I didn't bother with a power switch for the light.? If this is of interest, it was all purchased via eBay. Listings expire, so here are the item titles: ?
"Backlight for Apple iPhone 6 CDMA GSM Replacement" $7
"LED Filament Lamp Lights For Edison Bulbs Home Lighting 3V 38mm" $8
"Polarizer/Diffusor Film for Apple iPad Mini 4 Polarized Polarizing Sheet" $6
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Hi there, thought I'd share this, in case it might be useful to someone— I recently did a backlight mod for the QY70 using a single LED filament bulb and iPhone diffuser panel (with LEDs removed, they require too much current), cut to fit exactly behind the LCD.? The adhesives were pretty strong and it was too much of a hassle to keep the original polarizer intact, so I peeled it down to the glass and cut a new polarizer sheet also, after discerning the correct angle. Some of the excess foil backing from the diffuser is wrapped around the filament bulb and taped down to ensure maximum light travel into the edge of the diffuser. It's not particularly easier than the version using an EL panel, but my experience with EL is that they produce a high pitched whine, so LED seemed much preferable. The impact on battery life is minimal, so I didn't bother with a power switch for the light.? If this is of interest, it was all purchased via eBay. Listings expire, so here are the item titles: ?
"Backlight for Apple iPhone 6 CDMA GSM Replacement" $7
"LED Filament Lamp Lights For Edison Bulbs Home Lighting 3V 38mm" $8
"Polarizer/Diffusor Film for Apple iPad Mini 4 Polarized Polarizing Sheet" $6
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@larrydanna
I'll be very interested to see how this works out.? I think it has been done before but I don't think the "how" was ever revealed.?
Please keep us posted
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Eric
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